Eat my flesh, drink my blood

[God's Truth]

Luther did not hold to transubstantiation, but rather presented a doctrine called consubstantiation, as a rejection of Catholic beliefs.

That is close enough.

In all, Luther held to only two of the seven sacraments of the Catholic church, while Calvin rejected them all.

Rhema

No, Calvin held to infant baptism.

 

[Garee]

They may have, but we don't have a reliable record.

(Jeremiah 8:8 NRSV) How can you say, “We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us,” when, in fact, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie?

Moses and the prophets or the law and the prophets (the law to include the testimony ."let there be" ((the law) . . and "it was a good" (the testimony) of the things not seen .The law of faith

God's word the light on our path Moses is used to represent the law and and Elias to represent the power or testimony of prophecy ( sola scriptura) . The whole cannon..
Not a canon derived from trusting man . that insist other venernate them above all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura)

Luke 1:17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a

Each word is set apart by eternal God . If mankind does not hear the two witnesses of God then we can know this is no light on their path .

Isiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Those two witnesses with be silenced for a short while at the end of the age when God sends a famine for hearing his gospel .satan will again be loosed to deceive all the nations a person must venerate Jewish flesh and build another temple made with human hands

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
people prepared for the Lord.

Jesus meditating on sola scriptura (Moses and Elias.)

Mark 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

 

[Garee]

That is close enough.

No, Calvin held to infant baptism.

I would offer. . As the JWs make literal blood forbidden even in the case of medical. The Catholic also misinterpret the parable "drink the blood mankind" .They claim literal bread becomes literal blood in ones mouth while other literally die in attempt to rightly divide the parable. .

That law (John 6) unless you drink the blood of Christ is shown as a testimony in another parable .

In all cases water or blood represents the doctrines of God that fall like rain upon the green causing growth .

Deuteronomy 32:1-2 King James Version32 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass

Therefore the unseen life of God that works in us is represented by blood .The life of the flesh is in the blood but again that life is spiritual not fleshly dying .

Remember without parables Christ spoke not and this parable is not any different than others

Drinking the blood of man is mankind represented by the son of Man Jesus pouring out his spirit life in jeapordy of his own spirit . The gospel. The gift of eternal life

No need for literal bread we serve the daily bread as it is written. The living abiding word .

Twice as the witness of God another parable it is given to come along side and help reveal the gospel understanding .

David in prison like that of John the Baptist when John sent having some doubt for a sign from Jesus . Jesus sent him back the gospel message it quenched John's thirst just as it did for David

David who was next to the well of living water in the city of bread. (The water of the gospel the doctrines of God ).


2 Samuel 23:1716 And the three mighty men brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto the Lord. And he said, Be it far from me, O Lord, that I should do this: is not this the blood of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mighty men.

1 Chronicles 11:19 the other witness

The Son of man, Jesus did drink it in giving his spirit life is jeapordy of his own spirit . He was strengthened to do the will of the father just as with John the Baptist or David as sons of God .

 

[God's Truth]

I would offer. . As the JWs make literal blood forbidden even in the case of medical. The Catholic also misinterpret the parable "drink the blood mankind" .They claim literal bread becomes literal blood in ones mouth while other literally die in attempt to rightly divide the parable. .

Agree.
It is scary to take blood from another, and have heard there are non donor blood substitutes when someone needs blood.
I know of people who were helped greatly and possibly saved from the human blood of another, though.
One time I debated a local head of the JW's and he was speaking against giving of blood for medical reasons, but did think it was ironic that Jesus gave his blood for us...just not literally in our veins.

That law (John 6) unless you drink the blood of Christ is shown as a testimony in another parable .

The drinking of blood is as believing in Jesus and everything Jesus says.
The drinking of his blood is equivalent to believing, to having faith in him, for we have to have faith that what he says is true, and we have to have faith that his blood that was shed on the cross purifies us.

In all cases water or blood represents the doctrines of God that fall like rain upon the green causing growth .

I don't see how you get blood represents that.
The Holy Spirit is likened to water.

Deuteronomy 32:1-2 King James Version32 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass

Therefore the unseen life of God that works in us is represented by blood .The life of the flesh is in the blood but again that life is spiritual not fleshly dying .

Well I don't completely agree here...our spirit is in every cell of our body, and, so is our blood, so that is why God says life is in the blood.
When we receive the Holy Spirit, it is living with our spirit in our body, in our blood.
We do have water in our blood, by the way.
The Holy Spirit is literally living inside of the saved.

Remember without parables Christ spoke not and this parable is not any different than others

Drinking the blood of man is mankind represented by the son of Man Jesus pouring out his spirit life in jeapordy of his own spirit . The gospel. The gift of eternal life

No need for literal bread we serve the daily bread as it is written. The living abiding word .

Jesus says his body is the bread from heaven.
He is the word of God and obeying him is to eat the bread from heaven.

Twice as the witness of God another parable it is given to come along side and help reveal the gospel understanding .

David in prison

Give the scripture for that.

like that of John the Baptist when John sent having some doubt for a sign from Jesus .

What? Give the scripture that says John the baptizer had doubts about Jesus.

Jesus sent him back the gospel message it quenched John's thirst just as it did for David

David who was next to the well of living water in the city of bread. (The water of the gospel the doctrines of God ).


2 Samuel 23:1716 And the three mighty men brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto the Lord. And he said, Be it far from me, O Lord, that I should do this: is not this the blood of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives? therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mighty men.

1 Chronicles 11:19 the other witness

The Son of man, Jesus did drink it in giving his spirit life is jeapordy of his own spirit . He was strengthened to do the will of the father just as with John the Baptist or David as sons of God .

You are wrong about some of your connections you are trying to make.

 

[Rhema]

I know of people who were helped greatly and possibly saved from the human blood of another, though.

You can add another to your list.

We do have water in our blood, by the way.

Roughly 80% is water.

What? Give the scripture that says John the baptizer had doubts about Jesus.

(Matthew 11:2-3 KJV) Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples, And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?​

You are wrong about some of your connections you are trying to make.

Certain things do seem way out there.

Rhema

 

[God's Truth]

You can add another to your list.

Some people when getting a blood transfusion need a lot of blood and might be given blood from many different people at once. Maybe best not to think too hard about it lol. I do think that diseases can spread through blood transfusions and they are given too freely when something else can be used.

Roughly 80% is water.

Right, so wonder how Garee is mixing up the scriptures about the water and the Holy Spirit with the blood.

(Matthew 11:2-3 KJV) Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples, And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?​

Well that isn't doubt. He just had to ask.

Certain things do seem way out there.

Rhema

Exactly! lol

 

[Rhema]

I do think that diseases can spread through blood transfusions and they are given too freely when something else can be used.

They do. I can vouch for that. It's not been my experience, though, that transfusions are given too freely. And there is not something else that can readily substitute as an oxygen carrier.

Right, so wonder how Garee is mixing up the scriptures about the water and the Holy Spirit with the blood.

You will have to ask him. I have learned the hard way not to do so.

Well that isn't doubt. He just had to ask.

Why would one ask if one did not have doubt or was unsure?

(Luke 7:18-20 KJV) And the disciples of John shewed him (John) of all these things. And John calling unto him two of his disciples sent them to Jesus, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another? When the men were come unto him, they said, John Baptist hath sent us unto thee, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?​

From the account in John, there was no need to ask.

Exactly! lol

Yet I'm sure others feel that way about me.

Rhema

 

[Garee]

I don't see how you get blood represents that.
The Holy Spirit is likened to water.

Hi thanks for the reply,

It would appear both are used to represent the pouring out of His Spirit of life. .. Possibly the difference between the phrase "dry ground" and a "field of clay" . In one sense powered blood. But again the spirit life is in the blood it as spirit is not literal blood. abodywithout the spirit of life is dead. Christ poured out his Spirit in jeapordy of his own spirit life the living waters of life

A few examples of the metaphor blood used in parables ...

Exodus 4:9 And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe also these two signs, neither hearken unto thy voice, that thou shalt take of the water of the river, and pour it upon the dry land: and the water which thou takest out of the river shall become blood upon the dry land.

Exodus 7:17Thus saith the Lord, In this thou shalt know that I am the Lord: behold, I will smite with the rod that is in mine hand upon the waters which are in the river, and they shall be turned to blood.

Exodus 7:19And the Lord spake unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, Take thy rod, and stretch out thine hand upon the waters of Egypt, upon their streams, upon their rivers, and upon their ponds, and upon all their pools of water, that they may become blood; and that there may be blood throughout all the land of Egypt, both in vessels of wood, and in vessels of stone.

 

[Garee]

You will have to ask him. I have learned the hard way not to do so.

LOL I resemble that remark as another set of eyes .I don't bite.

 

[God's Truth]

Hi thanks for the reply,

It would appear both are used to represent the pouring out of His Spirit of life. .. Possibly the difference between the phrase "dry ground" and a "field of clay" . In one sense powered blood.

Whattttt? Powdered blood? No. I'm not seeing that.

But again the spirit life is in the blood it as spirit is not literal blood. abodywithout the spirit of life is dead. Christ poured out his Spirit in jeapordy of his own spirit life the living waters of life

A few examples of the metaphor blood used in parables ...

Exodus 4:9 And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe also these two signs, neither hearken unto thy voice, that thou shalt take of the water of the river, and pour it upon the dry land: and the water which thou takest out of the river shall become blood upon the dry land.

Exodus 7:17Thus saith the Lord, In this thou shalt know that I am the Lord: behold, I will smite with the rod that is in mine hand upon the waters which are in the river, and they shall be turned to blood.

Exodus 7:19And the Lord spake unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, Take thy rod, and stretch out thine hand upon the waters of Egypt, upon their streams, upon their rivers, and upon their ponds, and upon all their pools of water, that they may become blood; and that there may be blood throughout all the land of Egypt, both in vessels of wood, and in vessels of stone.

I can agree with all that, but the powdered blood part just shows how you go too far with your thoughts sometimes.

 

[God's Truth]

They do. I can vouch for that. It's not been my experience, though, that transfusions are given too freely.

Yeah I read about it on a medical information site about how not to do so many transfusions, I guess they were doing them when people didn't have very much blood loss. They did wait too long and made someone I know suffer longer than need be by waiting.

And there is not something else that can readily substitute as an oxygen carrier.

Well iron is one way. Also some people harvest their own blood for emergencies.

You will have to ask him. I have learned the hard way not to do so.


Why would one ask if one did not have doubt or was unsure?

Asking someone doesn't mean they are doubting. It is doubting and wrong IF when he asked Jesus and then still didn't believe or wasn't sure.

(Luke 7:18-20 KJV) And the disciples of John shewed him (John) of all these things. And John calling unto him two of his disciples sent them to Jesus, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another? When the men were come unto him, they said, John Baptist hath sent us unto thee, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?​

From the account in John, there was no need to ask.


Yet I'm sure others feel that way about me.

Rhema

Garee has different beliefs in that almost every single thing is a metaphor, and seems to make up some that aren't there. He seems like a decent guy though that doesn't get hateful like some of the others here.

 

[GodB4Us]

One should discern with the Lord that the eating of His flesh and the drinking of His blood is only referring to His crucifixion symbolically in John 6th chapter as communion does also rather than the other way around which would make the bread and the wine idolatry which God would not have man make bread to turn it into when communion is to be done only in remembrance of Him in proclaiming the Lord's death for what He has done on the cross for us.

 

[Garee]

Whattttt? Powdered blood? No. I'm not seeing that.

I can agree with all that, but the powdered blood part just shows how you go too far with your thoughts sometimes.

Not a salvation issue. It does not destroy the simplicity of the gospel. like all metaphors as rudiments of this world used in parables they can enrich the gospel give it the taste of honey (Manna) . That God pours like rain from heaven

Genesis1: 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Dust (dry land) and water make clay for the Potter. Both water and dry land the rudiments of blood are used to represent the moving work of the Holy Spirit .

Too far for some, yes .

In the process of developing faith. Let there be and it was good as the testimony of faith , Both dry ground and water together represent that which is good .

Genesis 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

 

[God's Truth]

Not a salvation issue. It does not destroy the simplicity of the gospel. like all metaphors as rudiments of this world used in parables they can enrich the gospel give it the taste of honey (Manna) . That God pours like rain from heaven

Genesis1: 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Dust (dry land) and water make clay for the Potter. Both water and dry land the rudiments of blood are used to represent the moving work of the Holy Spirit .

Too far for some, yes .

In the process of developing faith. Let there be and it was good as the testimony of faith , Both dry ground and water together represent that which is good .

Genesis 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

A little far fetched for me, just not enough biblical confirmation, it is more of your own.
By the way, did you learn this from someone else?
Of course though there are types of Jesus all in the Old Testament, and spiritual talk in the new, but, I just go by what the Bible says they mean and don't make up my own.

 

[God's Truth]

One should discern with the Lord that the eating of His flesh and the drinking of His blood is only referring to His crucifixion symbolically in John 6th chapter as communion does also rather than the other way around which would make the bread and the wine idolatry which God would not have man make bread to turn it into when communion is to be done only in remembrance of Him in proclaiming the Lord's death for what He has done on the cross for us.

The eating of the Lord's supper is just a memorial eating when gathered with other Christians during the laying of the foundation.
It was a real meal where people came to eat this memorial meal, but those in Corinthians did not acknowledge the meas as the Lord's Supper...that means they didn't think of the Lord at all, for they were eating before the poor ate and they were getting drunk.
It doesn't mean they were supposed to acknowledge real blood and flesh from the Lord in the bread and wine.

 

[Rhema]

Asking someone doesn't mean they are doubting. It is doubting and wrong IF when he asked Jesus and then still didn't believe or wasn't sure.

John the Baptist wasn't sure (at least in the Synoptics) that's why he sent disciples to find out after hearing of Jesus' behaviour.

(Matthew 11:18-19 KJV) For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.​

But I know your mind is made up on this matter, so we can move on.

Rhema

 

[God's Truth]

John the Baptist wasn't sure (at least in the Synoptics) that's why he sent disciples to find out after hearing of Jesus' behaviour.

(Matthew 11:18-19 KJV) For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.​

But I know your mind is made up on this matter, so we can move on.

Rhema

John the baptizer didn't doubt AFTER he asked. Don't you see the difference?

 

[PloughBoy]

John The Baptist never never doubt it, who Jesus was! He was Born With “THE Holy Ghost”!

Please read The Biblical text from the Time The Messenger came and gave his parents The Proclamation, The Decree of GOD ALMIGHTY” until his head was cut off!

John was locked up, at the mercy of “Herod” and that Witch wife Herod had “Herodias”! He knew that “Witch” no telling what she had In store for him!

John was scared! And Jesus had not come to save him!

So he sent a message out. Now this kind of message is called “paving”.

What John was actually saving, “When are you coming to get me!” It is a coded message. Jesus understood the code!

And Jesus told John disciples; Go tell John, the blind can see, the death is raise, cripple is walking,and the poor have the gospel preach to them!

And John understood that code! Meaning, you going died! I ain’t coming to get you!

“I just made it Blunt”!

“You must decrease, I must increase”

“your job was to bear witiness to The LIGHT now your Job is over”
And he knew That “Witch” Herodias, was going to make a Display of him!

You see when some people read the names of characters in the bible, that is all they know of them is their name. sometimes these people got history, who their mama was, their grandmother , their daddy, their step daddy, who raised them and the kind of character the tutor who raised them. For some, GOD has made this information available in reliable sources., if a person has the time and patience to investigate should matters. Especially when you question the text as The “Holy Spirit” guides you.

That Herodias would have cut off more than his head!

That witch! And her daughter! 1/2 of a step behind her.

Can you imagine those two in your household! When they do not get their way!

You must know Biblical history! You better!

NASB 1977
Let a man meet a bear robbed of her cubs, Rather than a fool in his folly.
[ than a woman in her scorn]

 

[PloughBoy]

John the Baptist was lucky.

New American Standard Bible
Saul then said, “This is what you shall say to David: ‘The king does not desire any dowry except a hundred foreskins of the Philistines, to take vengeance on the king’s enemies.’” But Saul plotted to have David fall by the hand of the Philistines.

New American Standard Bible
David set out and went, he and his men, and fatally struck two hundred men among the Philistines. Then David brought their foreskins, and they presented all two hundred of them to the king, so that he might become the king’s son-in-law. And Saul gave him his daughter Michal as a wife.

Now here is “Moses”:

24And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him. 25Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. 26So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.

GOD ain’t no joke! I am scared now!

 

[PloughBoy]

New King James Version
Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.

New American Standard Bible
Therefore, knowing the fear of the Lord, we persuade people, but we are well known to God; and I hope that we are also well known in your consciences.