Do you fear the Lord our God ?

Eccl 12:13; The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person.

Matt 10:28; "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Prov 9:10; The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

Heb 10:26; For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27; but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.
Heb 10:28; Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29; How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30; For we know Him who said, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY." And again, "THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE."
Heb 10:31; It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Eccl 8:12; Although a sinner does evil a hundred times and may lengthen his life, still I know that it will be well for those who fear God, who fear Him openly.
Eccl 8:13; But it will not be well for the evil man and he will not lengthen his days like a shadow, because he does not fear God.

Rev 1:17; When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, "Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last,

This is an under-rated question. The atheist doesn't fear God because he doesn't believe in God, but one day he will.
Those who keep on living in sin, may say they believe in God in a manner of speaking, but by their actions they deny Him.
They don't fear God, because they don't really know God.
 
I was recently listening to someone who said something like this.

My buddy and me get together all the time with our families, we go to the same church are kids are similar in age, and his buddy asked him why his kids acted so different then his kids. He really wanted to know and pressed him. The guy was reluctant to tell him, because it was going to sting. But he finely said my kids fear me, your kids have no fear of you, and that is the difference.

That stuck with me, I love God with all my heart but I also fear him and genuinely want to please him in the way I live .

Ray already posted the verse I was thinking about no surprise there :) but I am going to post it in another version

I asked this question because I recall at least two times I have seen people on TJ claim no fear of God,

Ecclesiastes 12:13
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
 

Dave M said:
I was recently listening to someone who said something like this.

My buddy and me get together all the time with our families, we go to the same church are kids are similar in age, and his buddy asked him why his kids acted so different then his kids. He really wanted to know and pressed him. The guy was reluctant to tell him, because it was going to sting. But he finely said my kids fear me, your kids have no fear of you, and that is the difference.

That stuck with me, I love God with all my heart but I also fear him and genuinely want to please him in the way I live .

Ray already posted the verse I was thinking about no surprise there :) but I am going to post it in another version

I asked this question because I recall at least two times I have seen people on TJ claim no fear of God,

Ecclesiastes 12:13
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
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Those who say they have no fear of God take that from 1 John 4:16-18

John points out that fear has torment in judgment. The perfect love he speaks of is God loving and sustaining those who love Him. There is nothing to fear.

Our drifting away from Him that brings about His chastisement is what we should fear.

We've all been there, if we haven't then maybe we're not His as we think.
 
great post Charlie thanks for sharing, I fear drifting away for sure, because I know how easy it is to become spiritually blind, and then you do not even know you have drifted away !!
 
Dave M said:
great post Charlie thanks for sharing, I fear drifting away for sure, because I know how easy it is to become spiritually blind, and then you do not even know you have drifted away !!
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I know what you mean Scriptures like this will keep you on your toes so to speak.

Hebrews 6:4-6, "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."

Is a sobering passage that addresses the possibility of falling away from the faith after experiencing significant spiritual blessings. It describes individuals who have been enlightened by the gospel, tasted the heavenly gift of salvation, and received the Holy Spirit. These believers have also encountered the transformative power of God's Word and witnessed the supernatural manifestations of His kingdom.

The passage emphasizes that if such individuals were to fall away from their faith and reject Christ, it would be exceedingly difficult for them to return to repentance. This is because in turning away, they effectively disregard the sacrifice of Jesus Christ anew, crucifying Him afresh and bringing shame upon His name. This warning underscores the seriousness of apostasy—the deliberate rejection of faith after experiencing its transformative power.

The passage serves as a strong admonition to believers to remain steadfast in their faith and to guard against drifting away or turning back from following Christ. It highlights the need for genuine commitment and perseverance in the Christian walk, rooted in a continual reliance on the grace and power of God. While salvation is secure for those who remain faithful, Hebrews 6:4-6 underscores the dire consequences of turning away from Christ once one has experienced the fullness of His grace and salvation. Thus, it encourages believers to hold fast to their confession of faith and to continually seek God's strength to endure and remain faithful until the end.

Hebrews 10:26-29, "For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"

Presents a solemn warning about the consequences of willful sin and apostasy after receiving the knowledge of the truth. This passage highlights the severity of turning away from the grace and sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

It begins by stating that if someone deliberately continues to sin after having known and experienced the truth of salvation through Jesus Christ, there is no longer any sacrifice that can atone for their sins. This emphasizes the finality and seriousness of rejecting the grace that was offered through Christ’s sacrifice on the cross.

The passage then contrasts the fate of those who reject Christ with the consequences under the Old Testament law. It reminds readers that under Moses’ law, those who disregarded its commands faced severe judgment, even death. In a similar vein, the punishment for those who reject Christ and His sacrifice will be much more severe because they have not only rejected a law given by Moses but have also rejected the Son of God Himself and the sanctifying power of His blood.

To count the blood of the covenant as unholy and to insult the Spirit of grace is to show utter contempt for God's mercy and the work of redemption accomplished through Jesus Christ. Such actions provoke God's righteous judgment and the prospect of facing His fiery indignation, which is described as a fearful expectation of judgment for those who stand in opposition to God.

Therefore, Hebrews 10:26-29 serves as a strong admonition against willful sin and apostasy. It underscores the importance of continuing in faith and obedience to Christ, acknowledging His sacrifice as the only means of salvation, and living a life that honors and respects the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit. It urges believers to maintain their commitment to Christ, knowing that to turn away from Him after experiencing His truth and grace carries severe consequences.
 
A friend of mine called it a healthy fear of the Lord, I like that healthy fear of the Lord, because we know he loves us, and discipline is for our own good.

, versus a fear of something simply because it wants to harm us

Very different types of fear,
 
Dave M said:
Wondering who does or does not fear the Lord our God ?
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This is actually quite an intricate topic.

God is not evil, there is no darkness in Him at all 1 John 1:5. So nobody should fear God as they would a "Stalin or Mao".

But God is the Creator of all. He can "end" anyone.

The most terrifying thing God will do, which should correctly level our fear is eternal hell, eternal separation.

This is why Paul says in Phil 2:12 that we must work out our salvation in fear and trembling. That is a lot more fear then I think a "respective fear" musters up.
 
KingJ said:
I would argue you can and should have both.

If you are a "Christian" and comitt a mortal sin, you just may suffer the same fate as Ananias and Saphhira.
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So if you're in sin, you fear the consequences, not God? What's mortal sin compared to other kinds of sin? The bible says that sin is sin.
 
KingJ said:
Well God enforces the consequences, so it's basically the same thing.



There is scripture to support both statements. Sin is sin and sin has degrees. Both true statements.
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Ok Sin brings the curse with it, so where does God enforce the curse?

Help me out here....can you show me verses that give degrees of sin?
 
Admon Mikha'el said:
Help me out here....can you show me verses that give degrees of sin?
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1. Read Matt 5:28 with Matt 5:32. Adultery = sin, but only actual adultery = divorce.

2. Read 1 Cor 5:1 and note that Paul addresses the congregation to discuss and isolate a 'brother so called' guilty of sex with his fathers wife. Now please try to understand that Paul did not pause a sermon to address the sin of stealing candy from the candy store. 1 Cor 5:1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife.''

3. Leviticus mentions God's laws, degrees of punishment according to sins and we know from Numb 23:19 that He does not change.

4. in 1 Cor 6:1-9 Paul rebukes Christians who cannot judge matters better then the unsaved.

5. Paul says in Rom 7:15 that he still sins, he was not referring to his prior sin of murdering Christians was he?
 
Matt 5:27; "You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY';
Matt 5:28; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Matt 5:29; "If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Matt 5:30; "If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.

Jesus is saying lust is just as bad as adultery, in fact it is adultery.
KingJ said:
and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A
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OK, unbelievers don't like it... and the point is? That makes it less of a sin?

KingJ said:
1 Cor 6:1-9 Paul rebukes Christians who cannot judge matters better then the unsaved.
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Definitely something to be aware of.
 
KingJ said:
1. Read Matt 5:28 with Matt 5:32. Adultery = sin, but only actual adultery = divorce.

2. Read 1 Cor 5:1 and note that Paul addresses the congregation to discuss and isolate a 'brother so called' guilty of sex with his fathers wife. Now please try to understand that Paul did not pause a sermon to address the sin of stealing candy from the candy store. 1 Cor 5:1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife.''

3. Leviticus mentions God's laws, degrees of punishment according to sins and we know from Numb 23:19 that He does not change.

4. in 1 Cor 6:1-9 Paul rebukes Christians who cannot judge matters better then the unsaved.

5. Paul says in Rom 7:15 that he still sins, he was not referring to his prior sin of murdering Christians was he?
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Ok I still don't see anything that says one sin is worse than another.....
 
Admon Mikha'el said:
Ok I still don't see anything that says one sin is worse than another.....
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Oh is this how we post a rebuttal? Your belief just got tko'd and you post a one liner rebuttal merely starting this :D:D.

I dare you to pick any one of those and explain to me how it is not speaking to degrees of sin.

Imagine asking a question, getting an answer and then making a statement like this without a rebuttal, insane, I can't believe your reply.
 
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