NIV

[Lance]

Crown Copyright

Hello DeaconBob3,

The Internet is a wonderful place for information although we are not to believe all of it. There are some pretty nasty people out there but equally there are people who have devoted themselves to suppy knowledge to others.

Just for you I will quote you from the Wikipedia although there are many other references too,

"In most of the world the King James Bible has passed out of copyright and is freely reproduced. This is not the case in the United Kingdom.

In the United Kingdom, the rights to the Authorized Version are held by the British Crown. The rights fall outside the scope of copyright as defined in statute law. Instead they fall under the purview of the Royal Prerogative and as such they are perpetual in subsistence. Publishers are licensed to reproduce the Authorized Version under letters patent. In England, Wales and Northern Ireland the letters patent are held by the Queen's Printer, and in Scotland by the Scottish Bible Board. The office of Queen's Printer has been associated with the right to reproduce the Bible for many years, with the earliest known reference coming in 1577. In England, Wales and Northern Ireland the Queen's Printer is Cambridge University Press (CUP). CUP inherited the right of being Queen's Printer when they took over the firm of Eyre & Spottiswoode in the late 20th century. Eyre & Spottiswoode had been Queen's Printer since 1901.

Other letters patent of similar antiquity grant Cambridge University Press and Oxford University Press the right to produce the Authorized Version independently of the Queen's Printer. In Scotland the Authorized Version is published by Collins under license from the Scottish Bible Board, but in recent years the publisher Canongate were allowed to produce a series of individual books of the Bible under the series title "The Pocket Canons".

The terms of the letters patent prohibit those other than the holders, or those authorized by the holders from printing, publishing or importing the Authorized Version into the United Kingdom. The protection that the Authorized Version, and also the Book of Common Prayer, enjoy is the last remnant of the time when the Crown held a monopoly over all printing and publishing in the United Kingdom.

It is common misconception that the Controller of Her Majesty's Stationery Office holds letters patent for being Queen's Printer. The Controller of HMSO holds a separate set of letters patent which cover the office Queen's Printer of Acts of Parliament. The Scotland Act 1998 defines the position of Queen's Printer for Scotland as also being held by the Queen's Printer of Acts of Parliament. The position of Government Printer for Northern Ireland is also held by the Controller of HMSO."

God bless

 

[DeaconBob3]

Thank you Lance

 

[Stylez4Christ]

I did had a little funny feeling about the NIV and my church has allot of that in my church and it has been donated to us and I might have to tell my pastor about it but at the same time my Pastor only read KJV so I believed that is good but I'm going to have to try to print this article out for my pastor to read so that my pastor know because somebody donated alot of those NIV into our church and because I am not going to let more demon inter the church and it is enough!

 

[MAJ52653]

As to copyrights. The KJV was uncopyrighted for one (and only one) simple reason. When the KJV was made, copyrights had not been invented yet. They were not invented until the 1800's. It could not have been copyrighted until it nearly 2 centuries after it was made.

 

[Stylez4Christ]

As to copyrights. The KJV was uncopyrighted for one (and only one) simple reason. When the KJV was made, copyrights had not been invented yet. They were not invented until the 1800's. It could not have been copyrighted until it nearly 2 centuries after it was made.

I have the Authorized King James Version and the King James Version so dose it matter or dose it matter? Because one I read it and found some different to it and I am wondering about this case???

 

[pinkangel44]

Thank you Chad for your article.I have checked my NLV and was shocked.I went straight out and got my KJV and will be talking to other Christains and letting them aware.

 

[MAJ52653]

Dozens of KJV

I have the Authorized King James Version and the King James Version so dose it matter or dose it matter? Because one I read it and found some different to it and I am wondering about this case???

Because it was not copyrighted, anyone could print a KJV, and call it a KJV. As such there are various versions of the KJV around, with minor changes here and there. Many cults do print their own slightly changed without mentioning it KJV since it is not copyrighted.
For one factor not mentioned in any pro-KJV listing of facts is that hundreds of cults (Mormons, Radio Church of God, Christian Science, Rastafarians, etc., etc.) do have the KJV as their one and only bible since it is far easier to twist the meaning of archaic English than to twist the meaning of a good modern English one like the NASB or ESV.
Most KJV that people have nowdays is not the origional version, but the 1729 (or is it 1727?) sixth revision. This is generally considered to be the standard KJV. That was the first printing that did not include the Apocrypha. All printings before that did have the Apocrypha as part of the KJV translation.

 

[Stylez4Christ]

Okay.... ?

What I am saying is that I have authorized King James Version and a King James Version so dose it matter because I know is not a cult bible Just that they both look the same

 

[MAJ52653]

Okay.... ?

What I am saying is that I have authorized King James Version and a King James Version so dose it matter because I know is not a cult bible Just that they both look the same

Obviously I cannot tell at long distance. Not even using my bifocals. What you have to do is look on the publisher's page. That page that usually lists the copyright, printing history and that sort of thing. That should have the information you need.

 

[DeaconBob3]

Talk about getting off the point and ignoring one at the same time!

The King James Version could have been protected by the British Crown as Lance described, even before copyright laws were enacted. But the British Crown decided only to protect it in the United Kingdom and allow the text to be freely published in English elsewhere in the world.

The revised bibles, NKJV, NaSV, Amplified, NLT, NIV all have copyrights and in order to get them the Bible societies and the translators "HAD TO CHANGE the Content in a substantial way" in order for the government to issue a copyright.

The BIBLE tells us that we have to choose to either follow God or Mammon. It also warns us not to change the word or receive the curses defined in the text. If this is an area of study or interest to you, then read Gayle Riplingers' books and decide for your selves, but do not minimize or devalue my words out of indifference or ignorance or human logic. Pray and let the Holy Spirit teach you of the truth that I have written about. Then and only then decide!

The primary issue is very very simple. To get a copyright issued, the Bible societies had to show the government that their version of the Bible was substantially different than the original (KJV or AV). The question then becomes were they serving God or Mammon? Who profited from the copyright? God or the Publisher and the Bible Society?

Chad's original post shows us how the changes in the NIV perverts the Word of God. My posts show us why and for what purpose the Word was perverted.

I, however, raise a broader and more compelling question if you think about it. Why did men (Bible Societies and Translators) need to get the approval of "Other Men" (Our Govvernment/Mammon) for the copyright on their version of the 'word' of God?? For whose benefit was this done?

How were these other Bibles changed? (For detailed answers to these and other questions, please read G.A, Riplingers' Books). The NIV is not the only corrupt text of the "Word."

God Bless

 

[Chad]

Talk about getting off the point and ignoring one at the same time!

The King James Version could have been protected by the British Crown as Lance described, even before copyright laws were enacted. But the British Crown decided only to protect it in the United Kingdom and allow the text to be freely published in English elsewhere in the world.

The revised bibles, NKJV, NaSV, Amplified, NLT, NIV all have copyrights and in order to get them the Bible societies and the translators "HAD TO CHANGE the Content in a substantial way" in order for the government to issue a copyright.

The BIBLE tells us that we have to choose to either follow God or Mammon. It also warns us not to change the word or receive the curses defined in the text. If this is an area of study or interest to you, then read Gayle Riplingers' books and decide for your selves, but do not minimize or devalue my words out of indifference or ignorance or human logic. Pray and let the Holy Spirit teach you of the truth that I have written about. Then and only then decide!

The primary issue is very very simple. To get a copyright issued, the Bible societies had to show the government that their version of the Bible was substantially different than the original (KJV or AV). The question then becomes were they serving God or Mammon? Who profited from the copyright? God or the Publisher and the Bible Society?

Chad's original post shows us how the changes in the NIV perverts the Word of God. My posts show us why and for what purpose the Word was perverted.

I, however, raise a broader and more compelling question if you think about it. Why did men (Bible Societies and Translators) need to get the approval of "Other Men" (Our Govvernment/Mammon) for the copyright on their version of the 'word' of God?? For whose benefit was this done?

How were these other Bibles changed? (For detailed answers to these and other questions, please read G.A, Riplingers' Books). The NIV is not the only corrupt text of the "Word."

God Bless

Good question brother. I think its unfortunate that this is the "business" world we live in now. On a side note, how else to do it? With GOD all things are possible, but perhaps this is part of the prophecies [end times] to be fulfilled as GOD has warned us of.

As for other corrupt translations, we need to be very very careful about this. I discussed this deeply with my moderators in our moderator forum last week and we realized a few things to quote the discussions:

• we need the Holy Spirits guidance
• translating from 2,000yr old Greek/Hebrew to modern English "perfectly" is impossible
• nothing can hinder His word from going forth (I am living proof myself)
• KJV is not perfect
• where people are dogmatic about what translation or version to use, there is a lack of allowing the Holy Spirit to lead
• bible is a tool (Word of GOD on tangible format), it does not replace the HolySpirit
• If we limit God speaking to us only by the canonized bible then eternity will be very repetitive and or redundant

 

[DeaconBob3]

Chad I agree with all of what you and your moderators discussed. I am not making or even trying to make a case for a King James only arguement. That is not my intention in this.

I believe that well intentioned men and women make mistakes when we fail to trust God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit to lead us and when we fail to step back and look at what we are doing through the filter of the scriptures themselves.

And of course the bible itself is full of stories about how man tried to improve upon or fullfill God's plans based upon their own limited understanding. Abraham and Sarah and Ishmael, Jacob and on and on it goes. But God takes our mistakes and turns them into beautiful successes in His own time and way.

WE NEED THE HOLY SPIRITS GUIDANCE ALWAYS IN ALL WAYS!

It is He who gives us the insight into the Rhema (spiritual) word of God. Human enlightened understanding of what God's meaning is in His Word comes to us via the Holy Spirit, in spite of the accuracy of the translation or version of the bible we use! We must seek the Spirit's guidance and enlightenment as we study the Word, otherwise we are simply reading a book!

As to your side question as to "How else to do it?" I would answer this. If a person or group doing a work for the glory of God are led to that work by The Spirit, what need of a copyright? God himself will protect His Work if he leads someone to do it. The existence of Christians today is evidence of God's protection since Christ.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen!

 

[joy-messiah]

Message Bible i think is worst translation i have ever seen, Judas who betrayed our LORD JESUS never confesssed HIM LORD but called HIM Master so did message bible it replaced LORD by master, more over they put very cultic and witchcraft phrase in LORDs prayer and and many other places ,
phrase is ' as above as below' as cult belief as GOD is above so they r gods below on earth.
its old serpent lie in genesis saying to eve you will be like GOD

 

[Stylez4Christ]

Message Bible i think is worst translation i have ever seen, Judas who betrayed our LORD JESUS never confesssed HIM LORD but called HIM Master so did message bible it replaced LORD by master, more over they put very cultic and witchcraft phrase in LORDs prayer and and many other places ,
phrase is ' as above as below' as cult belief as GOD is above so they r gods below on earth.
its old serpent lie in genesis saying to eve you will be like GOD

Okay now can somebody give all the list of the bible that are right and wrong that been translated from the
Old KJV so that I we can be aware of theses false bible.

 

[ladylovesJesus]

As quoted by Chad

As for other corrupt translations, we need to be very very careful about this. I discussed this deeply with my moderators in our moderator forum last week and we realized a few things to quote the discussions:

* we need the Holy Spirits guidance
* translating from 2,000yr old Greek/Hebrew to modern English "perfectly" is impossible
* nothing can hinder His word from going forth (I am living proof myself)
* KJV is not perfect
* where people are dogmatic about what translation or version to use, there is a lack of allowing the Holy Spirit to lead
* bible is a tool (Word of GOD on tangible format), it does not replace the HolySpirit
* If we limit God speaking to us only by the canonized bible then eternity will be very repetitive and or redundant

Be led by the Holy Spirit.

The message was written in every day language to make it easier for some people to read.

God bless

LLJ :rainbow: :rose:

 

[Chad]

Okay now can somebody give all the list of the bible that are right and wrong that been translated from the
Old KJV so that I we can be aware of theses false bible.

Its about translating from the original Greek / Hebrew, not KJV.

I use the NKJV study Bible and just bought the KJV study Bible as well. I like the NKJV very much.

 

[Stylez4Christ]

Its about translating from the original Greek / Hebrew, not KJV.

I use the NKJV study Bible and just bought the KJV study Bible as well. I like the NKJV very much.

Oh I see, do they still have the original Greek and Hebrew and also some of the Aramaic bibles? I heard that the New King James is a bit mess up too.

 

[ushalk]

wow, this is an awesome thread. however ladies and gents i read the king james but there are other translations that are just as good. youngs literal tranlation, gideons, and there are a few more aswell. however this thread is truth. the nkjv is not all right either. there are many things that are different and the one thing that i will make all of you aware of in many other tranlations is where it talks about the mark of the beast in rev. 13, the three translations of the bible that i have posted earlier are the only 3 that state that the mark of the beast will be in the forheads or in the right hand. all the rest state that the mark of the beast will be on. however now that the chip is out and they are starting to use them we know that they are going into and cant be seen on the surface.

ladies and gentlmen this thread is much more important than just pointing out the falseness that is in the niv. this thread can help many people from making some serious mistakes do to the falseness in other translations.

thank you for this thread chad.

 

[Chad]

We will discuss othe translations carefully. Its important we do not jump to conclusions nor assumptions. We must give way to the Holy Spirit before speaking from our own hearts. That is in respect to GOD and His Word. Its the least we can do.

Please keep in mind the 2nd last post I made here, on this page regarding the concerns and what to keep in mind.

 

[Waiting]

My youth group used the NIV for eeryhtiong. As a matter of fact this is the version I remember using the most.