Just curious why or how did you come to that conclusion? ?
It it that God does not mark his word as with whatsoever he says comes to pass?
Are we to seek after a sign or a mark , do they follow disbelief like Cain ?
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It it that God does not mark his word as with whatsoever he says comes to pass?
Are we to seek after a sign or a mark , do they follow disbelief like Cain ?
Good attitude. We have differences in opinion called herieses. . . a must seeing the kingdom of God does not come after the temporal dying things seen .
Solving all the mysteries hid in parables which "without Christ the Holy Spirit spoke not, Beginning in Genesis. It does not change the simplicity of the gospel but clearly does emrich. . Believe upon the lord who empowers us to both hear and do his good will and you will be saved.
Looking at Revelation does require we study rightfully dividing and not adding to or taking way from it as it is written by the finger of God. . Right from the start the kind of understanding or hermeneutics is given (signified it)
Revelation 1King James Version1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Signified spoken of in chapter 2:17 (hidden manna) the daily bread of the Fathers will. Signified using the temporal corrupted things seen mixed with the unseen eternal things of God. the gospel rest spoken of in hebrew 4:1-20 no mixing no gospel mix receive rest .
Christians as residents of the city of Christ prepared as the bride. . . yoked with Christ he makes our daily sufferings lighter with a living hope after the grave, Like 1 John. . What manner of Love He has labored with us. the mix. ?
Remember as sons of God (Christians) we are not what we will be when we receive our new incorruptible bodies they will not be as these earthly dying bodies.
The signified tongue of parables simply enriches the gospel . Dismissing the signified understanding hid as if it was literal is where I think many come up with ideas, , like millions disappearing in the twinkling of the eye and the returning a literal thousand years later .
Christ had already warned others not to seek after signs rather than trusting prophecy. . to include the parables as prophecy the declared will of God. . .some treat them as if good children's bedtime stories.
The whole end time’s interpretation depends on the word "thousand" whether or not it is literal or signified used as a parable.
The words ten, hundred, thousand, ten thousand . . . millions are included to represent an unknowable. . concealed. He gives us as a kingdom of priests that hold out the gospel the honor to search out a matter and find the gospel understanding. .
Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
Searching the word thousand as to whatsoever is in view is used in hundreds of examples in various parables.
Like God declaring he is a jealous God who owns all the cattle using the "thousand" hills .Thousand used to represent a unknown known . God does not boast in numbers. He owns the all the hills and every cattle.
The first three times .Three denotes the end of a matter throughout the bible.
Three times the phrase"thousand years" sets the signified pattern of parables. It does not change the last six times it is used in the parable Revelation 20.
Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
The signified does not become the literal .
Ecclesiastes 6:6Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The word as denotes a parable is in view, a thousand like ten, hundred millions in multiples represents an unknown or concealed
Genesis 20:16And unto Sarah he said, Behold, I have given thy brother a thousand pieces of silver: behold, he is to thee a covering of the eyes, unto all that are with thee, and with all other: thus she was reproved.
She gave all of her silver. to represent the covering of the gospel .
Genesis 24:60 And they blessed Rebekah, and said unto her, Thou art our sister, be thou the mother of thousands of millions, and let thy seed possess the gate of those which hate them.
Thousand..Million . . all the seed (Christ the gate )
Exodus 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Again thousand . . all that love Him.
Leviticus 26:8 And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword.
Again Thousand, Hundred Ten Thousand. . all the he puts to flight. giving wings to his messengers, sent ones, apostles.
Again thousands, millions in multiples of ten all used together to represent a unknown. . concealed hid from the unbelieving world.
One sheep lost he leaves the 99. We walk by faith it reveals the unknown in parables.. .
The 144,000 thousand a number no man could count becomes ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
Revelation 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
The innumerable (Golden measure) of Christs labor of faithfulness. the same that works in us. (Philippians 2:13)
Luke 17:12 And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were lepers, which stood afar off:
144.000 the golden measure of faith ( unknown) not the literal number of man .
Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
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I have a suspicion, but I know you won't like the answer. (And I'd likely get banned.)
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Dear @B-A-C,
Unless I am sorely mistaken, I believe that @Hekuran's point was that the reader at the time that Revelation was written was expected to calculate (count) the number.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
(Revelation 13:18 KJV)
But it is obvious that the mark and the name and the number are different things.
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Yes, I am aware of that. We have had a number of preterist discussions here.
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The number is unconverted mankind created on day six . The beast is mankind . The mark is the word of God the foundation of the faith of Christ. .What he says comes to pass.
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I wonder where did the idea of the mark came from that has to do with the buying and selling of worldly goods. . . and not the wisdom of God?
Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
The beast is clearly man (unconverted)
After all it is spiritual matters (unseen) that the mark is speaking of. Having to with the gospel things of the spirit not those of men .
Some say one world government is coming. We have been one world government beginning from the Garden .Satan the god of the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye, builders of false pride.
Below the mark of his word . . what he says comes to pass. Buy its instruction do not harden one's own heart. .
Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
In that way rather than a warning of sending a hunger and thirst for the temporal things of this world he can send a hunger and thirst for hearing the gospel according to the mark of his word. .
Amos 8:11
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:
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Of course. We need to know what number not to put on ourselves
There are people who will not place a 666 as a house number or buy a house / flat / unit with that number.
If the number has been 616 all along, that is pretty hilarious. A betting man would never bet on that though. Seems the entirety of media has adopted 666. A lot to consider just on that.
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Hollywood theology.... pretty scary all on its own.
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You bet. Religion seems to be one huge clown fest.
The Apostle Thomas, who started the Church of the East in Parthia (Persia) rejected the book of Revelation, as did most of the church until 393 ad.
But hey, if it keeps all the Christians occupied from the ministry given to them by Jesus Xhrist, then I'm sure Satan loves it. He has much better things to do.
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Greetings,
some good points to remember.
We can get all too caught up in the temporal passing and forsake the 'better portion' {Martha ,do you hear me?}
Some only follow for more bread that gets stale and passes rather than for the Bread of Life.
We can become fixated on being or becoming perfect in the written and at the same time miss the Truth, which endures and see us through [in Hope] until the coming of our Lord.
With what we have been given, how many can we feed?
Bless you ....><>
some good points to remember.
We can get all too caught up in the temporal passing and forsake the 'better portion' {Martha ,do you hear me?}
Some only follow for more bread that gets stale and passes rather than for the Bread of Life.
We can become fixated on being or becoming perfect in the written and at the same time miss the Truth, which endures and see us through [in Hope] until the coming of our Lord.
With what we have been given, how many can we feed?
Bless you ....><>
Greetings,
but, alas, it is not so obvious to many/most.
Hence many being confused.
Bless you ....><>
but, alas, it is not so obvious to many/most.
Hence many being confused.
Bless you ....><>
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What do you think the difference is?
Rev 13:17; and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.
Now perhaps one is actually a number, and the other is actually a name... but other than that, what significance of difference is there between the consequences of those who take other one?
Rev 15:2; And I saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire, and those who had been victorious over the beast and his image and the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, holding harps of God.
Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
Rev 14:9; Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 16:2; So the first angel went and poured out his bowl on the earth; and it became a loathsome and malignant sore on the people who had the mark of the beast and who worshiped his image.
Rev 19:20; And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
Rev 20:4; Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Exactly same with the 12 apostles in regard to 13 to represent one is false. Some motels eliminate the 13 th. floor. Not understanding why one was replaced to be used later on in Revelation 21.
I would offer.
12 is to represent the power or authority of God 12 is a remnant of the 27 listed. 12 set aside for another kind of doctrine.
The Greek word apostle = sent messenger .Just as shaliach the Hebrew = sent messenger.
Why did the translators who offer their paraphrase (suggested understanding) called private interpretation choose to use the Greek rather than english paraphrase is a mystery? .
It would seem that the first century reformation did not work to reform the whole . Sects that hold themselves out as a kingdom of dying mankind and not priests men and women form all the nation as families of the world sent as amabadords . the kingdom of God is not of this world that kingdom belows to the god of it (legion)
Twelve is used to represent the power of God it has another purpose of introducing the bride of Christ the church.
Rightly dividing (interpreting) twelve tribes as families (2 or 3) to represent all of the old testament believers times. Twelve apostles sent with the gospel (messengers) tribes times apostles. One hundred and forty four thousand .the number of the virgin bide a golden measure that no man could count as literal.
Interesting just as the tribe of Dan is left out Revelation it adds to the understanding of Judas missing
Abel the first apostle and martyr. we receive nothing of those sent with the message of God.
1 Corinthians 3: 7-8 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
Apostles are still being sent out to preach the gospel . Jesus having washed their feet they can of each other . . .wash with the water of the word.
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You seem to have forgotten Andronicus and Junia.
Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
(Romans 16:7 KJV)
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