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[Garee]

What do you think the difference is?

Rev 13:17; and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Now perhaps one is actually a number, and the other is actually a name... but other than that, what significance of difference is there between the consequences of those who take other one?

I would think the difference is the mark represents the authority of God word . Sort of like . . .open up in the name of the law. Mark my word.

God sets up the punishment of sufferings the pangs of hell a lifetime not yoked with Christ Abels load lighter . Mankind has no say .

No one can change it. a life for a life (Abel blood still cries out ).

Cain did not get his appeal. .My punishment is greater than I can bear.

Genesis 4:12-13 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark (666) upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

In that way the commandment is do not murder.

 

[B-A-C]

I tend to think the beast really is "a man". I think many people over "abstract" the Bible instead of simply taking it at face value.
It says what it means, and it means what is says. No need to over-analyze it. For example...

Rom 5:12; Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—

A lot of people don't believe there really was a man called Adam. They say Adam is just an "abstract of society at that time".
Well here's the problem with that. A few verses later we see...

Rom 5:19; For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

We see two men in this verse. Adam and Christ. If Adam is an abstract of society, then Jesus must be an abstract of society as well. That would mean we aren't saved by a man.
We are saved by an abstract of society.

2Thes 2:3; Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
2Thes 2:4; who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

When it says "the man" here. It literally means just that.. a man. Not some abstract of society or government.

Rev 13:3; I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast;
Rev 13:4; they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?"

Rev 13:12; He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence. And he makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed.
Rev 13:13; He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the presence of men.

Satan tends to copy God a lot in the Bible. Satan's beast will receive a fatal wound. But he will come back to life ( just like Jesus did ).
It will be man that comes back to life. Not some abstract of ideology.

 

[Garee]

Just a reminder, the bible has more than one level of understanding as a spiritual word it offers an unseen spiritual understanding "coming" along side (Para). Literal historical understanding mixed with the unseen spiritual.

Without parables the signified understanding Christ spoke not.

Day6 666 . . non complete natural uncovered mankind .....

Day 7 777....complete rest new creature .God kind

1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Searching out the spiritual understanding of parables does not destroy the simplicity of salvation or the historical value. . God having mercy seasoned with grace on those born again from above. .

I would offer. . the number 666 is used as a golden measure (not literal) it represents mankind created on day six. In the same way 777 represents the number of the gospel. . God's 7th day eternal rest.

Three throughout the Bible is used to denote the end of a matter. Like strike three it's over, used when Jesus was tempted by the spirit of lies at the beginning of the ministry of the two the father and Son.( Mathew4) Three times the father gave him words ........as it is written.

Much confusion I think it has to do with Hebrew 4. the mixing the literal historical interpretation with the unseen. It's something I keep on the rear burner. Having to do with mixing of faith. . .that seen temporal historical mixed with that not seen.

In that way looking at parables. they do not take away the simplicity of the gospel God moving men according to his power to both will and perform it. Parables the mixing of the things seen with the invisible things of God.

The word as denotes a parable is in view.

Rom 5:12; Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned

Not literally through one man but again as if . Through the lies of the father of lies. The same spirit of lies that worked in Peter when he forbid the lord and prevented Jesus from doing the will of the Father. Peter is used to represent the man of sin man of lawlessness . Uncovered mankind he was forgiven of blasphemy against the Son of man Jesus the prophet.

2Thes 2:3; Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction

He has been revealed. False apostles sent with false prophecy

It would appear the prescription below is needed to rightly divide the parables is needed to enter his gospel rest.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Hebrews 4:1-2King James Version Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

From my experience, quite a number of people actually need this.

If there is no natural intelligence, at least they could benefit quite readily from the artificial.

Rhema

How would they benefit?

 

[B-A-C]

You seem to have forgotten Andronicus and Junia.

... so it seems.

 

[B-A-C]

Just a reminder, the bible has more than one level of understanding as a spiritual word it offers an unseen spiritual understanding "coming" along side (Para). Literal historical understanding mixed with the unseen spiritual.

Without parables the signified understanding Christ spoke not.

The literal never disagrees with the Spiritual. Not everything in the Bible is a hidden parable or metaphor. In fact the vast majority is not.
Jesus said when the Holy Spirit comes He will reveal "ALL" things to us. There was a period of time at the beginning of Jesus's ministry He spoke in parables.
At the end of His ministry He no longer did this. The disciples acknowledged He was speaking plainly to them now. No longer in parables.
There really are no parables after the Gospels. Paul, Luke, James, and John didn't write any parables after the Gospels.
God says we are no slaves, we are friends, he doesn't hide anything from us. There are no secret hidden manifesto's.

John 16:25; "These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; an hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but will tell you plainly of the Father.
John 16:29; His disciples *said, "Lo, now You are speaking plainly and are not using a figure of speech.

John 15:15; "No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you.

John 14:26; "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
Rev 2:17; 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, to him I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and a new name written on the stone which no one knows but he who receives it.'

He gives us the hidden manna, He doesn't keep it from us, or hide it from us.
Matt 13:11; Jesus answered them, "To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted.
Luke 8:10; And He said, "To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is in parables, so that SEEING THEY MAY NOT SEE, AND HEARING THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND.
To believers, the secrets, hidden mysteries are revealed, they may still be hidden to unbelievers, but that isn't most of us on this site.

Personally, people who say there are secrets in the Bible , the hidden manna, the mysteries, they only say this because the scriptures don't line up with their beliefs.
Almost always the scriptures say something plainly. Easily discernible by believers, but then someone who disagrees with this doctrines will just say that verse doesn't say that.
Well then what does it say? It's a secret mystery. Sorry, no the Bible doesn't support that.
1Cor 2:6; Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away;
1Cor 2:7; but we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory;

What is this great secret mystery, hidden through the ages? It's simple...

Col 1:26; that is, the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations, but has now been manifested to His saints,
Col 1:27; to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

It's simply.... "Christ in you". The hope of Glory. The Gentiles may have not known this in the past. But we certainly know it now.

 

[Garee]

The literal never disagrees with the Spiritual. Not everything in the Bible is a hidden parable or metaphor. In fact the vast majority is not.
Jesus said when the Holy Spirit comes He will reveal "ALL" things to us. There was a period of time at the beginning of Jesus's ministry He spoke in parables.
At the end of His ministry He no longer did this. The disciples acknowledged He was speaking plainly to them now. No longer in parables.
There really are no parables after the Gospels. Paul, Luke, James, and John didn't write any parables after the Gospels.
God says we are no slaves, we are friends, he doesn't hide anything from us. There are no secret hidden manifesto's.

John 16:25; "These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; an hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but will tell you plainly of the Father.
John 16:29; His disciples *said, "Lo, now You are speaking plainly and are not using a figure of speech.

John 15:15; "No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you.

John 14:26; "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
Rev 2:17; 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, to him I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, and a new name written on the stone which no one knows but he who receives it.'

He gives us the hidden manna, He doesn't keep it from us, or hide it from us.
Matt 13:11; Jesus answered them, "To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted.
Luke 8:10; And He said, "To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God, but to the rest it is in parables, so that SEEING THEY MAY NOT SEE, AND HEARING THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND.
To believers, the secrets, hidden mysteries are revealed, they may still be hidden to unbelievers, but that isn't most of us on this site.

Personally, people who say there are secrets in the Bible , the hidden manna, the mysteries, they only say this because the scriptures don't line up with their beliefs.
Almost always the scriptures say something plainly. Easily discernible by believers, but then someone who disagrees with this doctrines will just say that verse doesn't say that.
Well then what does it say? It's a secret mystery. Sorry, no the Bible doesn't support that.
1Cor 2:6; Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away;
1Cor 2:7; but we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory;

What is this great secret mystery, hidden through the ages? It's simple...

Col 1:26; that is, the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations, but has now been manifested to His saints,
Col 1:27; to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

It's simply.... "Christ in you". The hope of Glory. The Gentiles may have not known this in the past. But we certainly know it now.

Yes, simply Christ in us. . .No secrets. . . The us is understood according to the parable. Luke 9 that defines the us in Christ from those who went out because they never with the true us. Parables which without Christ the Holy Spirit spoke not from the very beginning (Genisis) the foundation. They hide the light of the gospel from unbelievers.

His tongue of understanding or fountain of wisdom . . . he sent and signified (signified revealing meaning to what was sent.

The opening introduction as hearing instructions in the last chapter of the book of prophecy the Bible ......Revelation It applies whenever we search out in order to rightly divide the parables comparing the literal historical mixed with the unseen eternal things of God. Sent and signified. not just sent without understanding. the understanding of the spiritual understanding lights the path.

Revelation 1;1King James Version The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Called hidden manna in chapter 2:17)

"Both sent" and gave it (prophecy) understanding. The purpose of parables Teaching us how to walk by faith in a dark dying world.

 

[Rhema]

How would they benefit?

How would they benefit from intelligence?

need an intelligent person ask?

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

... so it seems.

I can't begin to tell you the number of people who have gotten mad at ME for showing them that Barnabas was called an Apostle.



Rhema

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

How would they benefit from intelligence?

need an intelligent person ask?

Rhema

I'll rephrase the question...How would they benefit from an artificial intelligence that is designed to replace humans? Please don't intimate they would benefit by having intelligence with no soul, no spirit.