70 Weeks of Daniel Prophecy - Already Fulfilled or Not?

[Jonathan_Gale]

You have no idea, lol.

No I don't, and neither do you. That's why it's called prophecy. We'll never know how prophecy is translated into reality until God raises His two witnesses in the tribulation, all we can do is believe and be prepared.

 

[Bill]

No I don't, and neither do you. That's why it's called prophecy. We'll never know how prophecy is translated into reality until God raises His two witnesses in the tribulation, all we can do is believe and be prepared.

I know me. And i know the error many Christians make when it comes to Scripture.

The Scripture of course is not in error. But Christans in general use the Scripture as a crutch instead of using faith. Scripture was never ment to be the faith, Scripture is ment to be the foundation and guide to how to use your faith. As Jesus stated, He is the cornerstone. Never once did he say, "I am the building".

People who do construction, will only use the foundation in the beginning, as baby Christians. But once the foundation and outter walls are set, then the builders don't need to keep going back to the foundation to build the rest of the house, as they know everything is right.

So it is with Christians, if you already know your foundation is whole. When you experience new things, you should be able to use the Discernment God gave you, to know the truth.
Jesus states, others will come and do even greater things than He. And the Apostles say, not all was written, just enough to get you on your way.

As it is, the faith of most are so weak, you would not know a prophet of God when they stand before you.

Do you even know when God's Angels are around you. Or what types. Because all have Angels around them. Both good and bad people.

Christians in general are so lost when it comes to the spiritual, because whenever they are confronted by something "different" they go running back to the Scripture, looking for things that can not be found. And then say, it isn't from God because i can not find it in the Scripture.

And that is the rub, that you can not find it, or you can not interpret it as from scripture. And then you go to a preacher with understanding like your own.
Or even ten preachers who all agree or a hundred or more all agreeing with you.

This is an example, of that rub. Did you know pagans can be saved after death? I bet you never heard of it, yet it is written in the scripture, in the New Testiment. I won't tell you where it is written, but it is plain as day.

Learn to use your Gift of Discernment.

 

[Sue D.]

BILL -- scripture says Now is the day of salvation. NO ONE is saved after they are dead.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

I know me. And i know the error many Christians make when it comes to Scripture.

The Scripture of course is not in error. But Christans in general use the Scripture as a crutch instead of using faith. Scripture was never ment to be the faith, Scripture is ment to be the foundation and guide to how to use your faith. As Jesus stated, He is the cornerstone. Never once did he say, "I am the building".

People who do construction, will only use the foundation in the beginning, as baby Christians. But once the foundation and outter walls are set, then the builders don't need to keep going back to the foundation to build the rest of the house, as they know everything is right.

So it is with Christians, if you already know your foundation is whole. When you experience new things, you should be able to use the Discernment God gave you, to know the truth.
Jesus states, others will come and do even greater things than He. And the Apostles say, not all was written, just enough to get you on your way.

As it is, the faith of most are so weak, you would not know a prophet of God when they stand before you.

Do you even know when God's Angels are around you. Or what types. Because all have Angels around them. Both good and bad people.

Christians in general are so lost when it comes to the spiritual, because whenever they are confronted by something "different" they go running back to the Scripture, looking for things that can not be found. And then say, it isn't from God because i can not find it in the Scripture.

And that is the rub, that you can not find it, or you can not interpret it as from scripture. And then you go to a preacher with understanding like your own.
Or even ten preachers who all agree or a hundred or more all agreeing with you.

This is an example, of that rub. Did you know pagans can be saved after death? I bet you never heard of it, yet it is written in the scripture, in the New Testiment. I won't tell you where it is written, but it is plain as day.

Learn to use your Gift of Discernment.

Thanks, points taken, but I gotta say that Christans in general don't use the bible as a crutch, but as the only reliable record to know Yeshua the Messiah. OT included, as God's plan of salvation was hatched at the beginning, and every OT hero is a prototype of Yeshua. You can't really have faith in Him if you don't even know Him.

 

[Bill]

BILL -- scripture says Now is the day of salvation. NO ONE is saved after they are dead.

You read the Scripture, but don't listen, nor listen to your own words.

Of course if a person is Dead, they are lost, and there is no salvation. But what does Scripture say about those who die in Christ? They are not dead, ever.

Do you understand what it means to die in Christ? Your mind jumps to those who accept Jesus as Lord, and you are not far off with one major mistake. It is the modern Christian understanding of that. The modern Christians assume accepting Jesus as Lord is something of the mind. The truth of that statement, is accepting Jesus as Lord with your heart, not the mind.

So those who were listening to Paul's preaching, had not, as yet accepted Jesus as Lord in Word, but they had recieved Jesus into thier hearts.

There is another thing, even though a person dies in this world. Even though they are a pagan, will be judged by where thier heart is. So you see, i am telling you the truth when i say. A person who dies as a pagan, can be saved.

Romans 2:12 - 15

 

[Bill]

Thanks, points taken, but I gotta say that Christans in general don't use the bible as a crutch, but as the only reliable record to know Yeshua the Messiah. OT included, as God's plan of salvation was hatched at the beginning, and every OT hero is a prototype of Yeshua. You can't really have faith in Him if you don't even know Him.

If you are talking about getting faith because you know Jesus in your mind. Then you are sorely mistaken.

Faith is something of the heart.

Where your heart is, there your treasure will be as well.

Try reading Romans 2:12 - 15

 

[Bill]

Thanks, points taken, but I gotta say that Christans in general don't use the bible as a crutch, but as the only reliable record to know Yeshua the Messiah. OT included, as God's plan of salvation was hatched at the beginning, and every OT hero is a prototype of Yeshua. You can't really have faith in Him if you don't even know Him.

Jonathan, you >>>>> YOU , may not use the bible as a crutch, but the vast majority do.

I know your mind, and your spirit. You and David are of similar fabric.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

If you are talking about getting faith because you know Jesus in your mind. Then you are sorely mistaken.

Faith is something of the heart.

Where your heart is, there your treasure will be as well.

Try reading Romans 2:12 - 15

This is why “Christian” means “little Christ”. We ought to be followers instead of fans, and become more like him and less like our old selves before we were born again. This is like developing muscle memory through practice. When you have truly mastered a skill, your body automatically does it without much thinking in your brain. This is why faith without work is dead, and Yeshua repeatedly said not just be hearers, but doers of His teachings.

 

[Bill]

This is why “Christian” means “little Christ”. We ought to be followers instead of fans, and become more like him and less like our old selves before we were born again. This is like developing muscle memory through practice. When you have truly mastered a skill, your body automatically does it without much thinking in your brain. This is why faith without work is dead, and Yeshua repeatedly said not just be hearers, but doers of His teachings.

Be holy for I am Holy, said Jesus.

Take up your cross and follow me, said Jesus

Have you ever considered being on the cross with Jesus? It is what he asks of us.

 

[Bill]

This is why “Christian” means “little Christ”. We ought to be followers instead of fans, and become more like him and less like our old selves before we were born again. This is like developing muscle memory through practice. When you have truly mastered a skill, your body automatically does it without much thinking in your brain. This is why faith without work is dead, and Yeshua repeatedly said not just be hearers, but doers of His teachings.

Exactly

 

[Dave M]

As it is, the faith of most are so weak, you would not know a prophet of God when they stand before you.

A prophet is someone who does not make mistakes when God tells them something many false prophets were exposed claiming God told them Trump was going to be re-elected, prophets don't make mistakes. Prophets dont go around claiming to be a prophet they go around proving to be a prophet.

Scripture is and will always be the final authority on all spiritual matters, not our feelings or some signs or wonders.

Most Christians know little if nothing about the scripture, so No no they are not using it as a crutch, and God's word is not incomplete as you are trying to suggest.

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Faith is something of the heart.

faith comes from the words of Jesus' scripture, the word of God. Bill your issue seems to be your based more on feelings and emotions than you do the word of God that is a very dangerous territory my friend and very easy to be deceived that way.

Romans 10:17​

So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

Jeremiah 17:9​

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?

Matthew 15:18-20​

But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.”

 

[Dave M]

Learn to use your Gift of Discernment.

this gift comes from learning scripture, and it is a gift some think they have but have been deceived as they base their faith on feelings, experience, and emotion instead of the word of God !!

 

[Dave M]

The Scripture of course is not in error. But Christans in general use the Scripture as a crutch instead of using faith. Scripture was never ment to be the faith, Scripture is ment to be the foundation and guide to how to use your faith. As Jesus stated, He is the cornerstone. Never once did he say, "I am the building".

People who do construction, will only use the foundation in the beginning, as baby Christians. But once the foundation and outter walls are set, then the builders don't need to keep going back to the foundation to build the rest of the house, as they know everything is right.

he may not of said I am the building

but he is the vine and we are the branch and the branch can not do anything on their own without the vine.

He did say we have a room in his father's house, not our own house. we are not separate from Christ to go on acting like we have power on our own, we are nothing without Christ in us, he works through us,

Jesus is our foundation for us to ALWAYS GO BACK TO we can do nothing on our own and it is those who think they can that are deceived by deceiving spirits.

If it's not in the bible it is from deceiving spirits,

 

[Dave M]

One final thing about calling scripture a crutch,,,, God gave us scripture to be a sword, a weapon against the enemy, a shield of armor,,,,,,,,,,,,,, anyone who calls scripture a crutch in my mind seems to be trying to disarm us from the armor of God ! '

so I take offense of anyone saying scripture is any sort of crutch!! it is God's gift of body armor for us to use against the enemy and if you're not using it chances are you have been deceived !!

 

[Br. Bear]

this gift comes from learning scripture, and it is a gift some think they have but have been deceived as they base their faith on feelings, experience, and emotion instead of the word of God !!

Greetings Brother Dave

In 1Corinthians chapter 12, KJV and a few others give "... discerning of spirits... " and many others translations/versions give " ... distinguishing between/of spirits ... "
From what I understand, this is something 'given' by the Lord, not learned.

Much love


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

One final thing about calling scripture a crutch,,,, God gave us scripture to be a sword, a weapon against the enemy, a shield of armor,,,,,,,,,,,,,, anyone who calls scripture a crutch in my mind seems to be trying to disarm us from the armor of God ! '

so I take offense of anyone saying scripture is any sort of crutch!! it is God's gift of body armor for us to use against the enemy and if you're not using it chances are you have been deceived !!

Greetings,

I sometimes also see the Bible as a letter of love and promises from the lover of our souls! A letter we hold dear and often read with hearts burning as we wait for our Beloved to return.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Greetings Brother Dave

In 1Corinthians chapter 12, KJV and a few others give "... discerning of spirits... " and many others translations/versions give " ... distinguishing between/of spirits ... "
From what I understand, this is something 'given' by the Lord, not learned.

Much love


Bless you ....><>

To be hoenst, I didn't really know what the Holy Spirit was all about, I thought it was just this sudden rush of awestruck emotion you feel in a worship session or some other gathering event, there's a lot of superstitions laden in the third person of the Trinity and it caused a hell load of confusion; but after reading the Farewell Speech in John, I got the simple answer - Holy Spirit is the spirit of TRUTH, nothing fancy or mysterious. And that's how you discern the spirits is to seprate the fact from fiction, the truth from lies, the reality from imagination, and most importantly, Jesus Christ from false christs. Therefore, you know, by this biblical definition, any brave parent, journalist or doctor who has the gut to stand out and speak against the lying, satanic narrative is filled with the Holy Spirit of TRUTH, and they're doing a much better job than most pastors at the pulpit.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings Jonathan,

To be hoenst, I didn't really know what the Holy Spirit was all about, I thought it was just this sudden rush of awestruck emotion you feel in a worship session or some other gathering event, there's a lot of superstitions ladden in the third person of the Trinity and it caused a hell load of confusion; but after reading the Farewell Speech in John, I got the simple answer - Holy Spirit is the spirit of TRUTH, nothing fancy or mysterious. And that's how you discern the spirits is to seprate the fact from fiction, the truth from lies, the reality from imagination, and most importantly, Jesus Christ from false christs. Therefore, you know, by this biblical definition, any brave parent, journalist or doctor who has the gut to stand out and speak against the lying, satanic narrative is filled with the Holy Spirit of TRUTH, and they're doing a much better job than most pastors at the pulpit.

The gift of discernment of spirits is actually a valuable 'tool', 'asset' for the Body.
Not a favorite for most. Doesn't get much attention and publicity.

Truth can be subjective according to the language and locality and times.
The truth was that Joseph had been sold and was doing time in a foreign land.

Satan got permission to hurt Job big time but the truth of that wasn't all that evident.

Pilate(?) figured that Jesus life was in his hands....

And then, all that rabble were drunk! In the morning, too!!! True!!! Except the Truth is that the Holy Ghost had been given.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Greetings Jonathan,




The gift of discernment of spirits is actually a valuable 'tool', 'asset' for the Body.
Not a favorite for most. Doesn't get much attention and publicity.

Truth can be subjective according to the language and locality and times.
The truth was that Joseph had been sold and was doing time in a foreign land.

Satan got permission to hurt Job big time but the truth of that wasn't all that evident.

Pilate(?) figured that Jesus life was in his hands....

And then, all that rabble were drunk! In the morning, too!!! True!!! Except the Truth is that the Holy Ghost had been given.


Bless you ....><>

Yes, "truth" can be subjective based on the point of view, like the four blind men touching an elephant, we all start with a partial truth, but the "truth" in the Spirit of truth is referring to honesty and the desire to seek more, and that is contrary to human nature. Without the gift of discernment, people naturally cover up with lies and pretend they've known it all, that's what Adam and Eve did when they were caught at the "cool of the day".

My point is, the Holy Spirit must be demystified, it's not a "ghost" like our dead ancestors, it's not a "power" like electricity - even though it does empower us; and it's not a rush of emotion as I described earlier. It's the spirit of TRUTH that points, directs and guides us to Christ, it's like God's algorithm. There're a lots of false prophets and deceiving spirits, you know, like in this instance of King Ahab consulting his prophets in 1 Kings 22:1-22:

Now three years passed without war between Syria and Israel. 2 Then it came to pass, in the third year, that Jehoshaphat the king of Judah went down to visit the king of Israel.

3 And the king of Israel said to his servants, “Do you know that Ramoth in Gilead is ours, but we hesitate to take it out of the hand of the king of Syria?” 4 So he said to Jehoshaphat, “Will you go with me to fight at Ramoth Gilead?”

Jehoshaphat said to the king of Israel, “I am as you are, my people as your people, my horses as your horses.” 5 Also Jehoshaphat said to the king of Israel, “Please inquire for the word of the Lord today.”

6 Then the king of Israel gathered [a]the prophets together, about four hundred men, and said to them, “Shall I go against Ramoth Gilead to fight, or shall I refrain?”

So they said, “Go up, for the Lord will deliver it into the hand of the king.”

7 And Jehoshaphat said, “Is there not still a prophet of the Lord here, that we may inquire of Him?”

8 So the king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “There is still one man, Micaiah the son of Imlah, by whom we may inquire of the Lord; but I hate him, because he does not prophesy good concerning me, but evil.”

And Jehoshaphat said, “Let not the king say such things!”

9 Then the king of Israel called an officer and said, “Bring Micaiah the son of Imlah quickly!”

10 The king of Israel and Jehoshaphat the king of Judah, having put on their robes, sat each on his throne, at a threshing floor at the entrance of the gate of Samaria; and all the prophets prophesied before them. 11 Now Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah had made horns of iron for himself; and he said, “Thus says the Lord: ‘With these you shall gore the Syrians until they are destroyed.’ ” 12 And all the prophets prophesied so, saying, “Go up to Ramoth Gilead and prosper, for the Lord will deliver it into the king’s hand.”

13 Then the messenger who had gone to call Micaiah spoke to him, saying, “Now listen, the words of the prophets with one accord encourage the king. Please, let your word be like the word of one of them, and speak encouragement.”

14 And Micaiah said, “As the Lord lives, whatever the Lord says to me, that I will speak.”

15 Then he came to the king; and the king said to him, “Micaiah, shall we go to war against Ramoth Gilead, or shall we refrain?”

And he answered him, “Go and prosper, for the Lord will deliver it into the hand of the king!”

16 So the king said to him, “How many times shall I make you swear that you tell me nothing but the truth in the name of the Lord?”

17 Then he said, “I saw all Israel scattered on the mountains, as sheep that have no shepherd. And the Lord said, ‘These have no master. Let each return to his house in peace.’ ”

18 And the king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “Did I not tell you he would not prophesy good concerning me, but evil?”

19 Then Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by, on His right hand and on His left. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will persuade Ahab to go up, that he may fall at Ramoth Gilead?’ So one spoke in this manner, and another spoke in that manner. 21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, and said, ‘I will persuade him.’ 22 The Lord said to him, ‘In what way?’ So he said, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And the Lord said, ‘You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.’ 23 Therefore look! The Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the Lord has declared disaster against you.”

 

[Bill]

A prophet is someone who does not make mistakes when God tells them something many false prophets were exposed claiming God told them Trump was going to be re-elected, prophets don't make mistakes. Prophets dont go around claiming to be a prophet they go around proving to be a prophet.

Scripture is and will always be the final authority on all spiritual matters, not our feelings or some signs or wonders.

Most Christians know little if nothing about the scripture, so No no they are not using it as a crutch, and God's word is not incomplete as you are trying to suggest.

​

faith comes from the words of Jesus' scripture, the word of God. Bill your issue seems to be your based more on feelings and emotions than you do the word of God that is a very dangerous territory my friend and very easy to be deceived that way.

Romans 10:17​

So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

Jeremiah 17:9​

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?

Matthew 15:18-20​

But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander. These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.”

Oddly enough with all your quotes, is not God love? And where does love come from?

Is love the matter of the mind or the heart?