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Anthropomorphically speaking, could this be also 1 of “The Signs & Wonders” of “The Coming of “The MORNING STAR”

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Because of unbelief.
They didn't OBEY that is why they didn't enter.
The same way Catholics that believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from the dead are saved but by their membership in the Catholic Church to do the sacraments within to obtain that salvation by, they labor in unbelief & come short of that rest.
You sure don't know the Catholic denomination.
The Catholics are in falseness NOT because they do things God says to do, but because they do things God says NOT to do.
No one is condemned because they obey!
You are ensnared to preach that to obey by doing right is wrong!


The same way that Billy Graham told Tony Snow in an interview that he did not believe Jesus Christ would receive him because he was not always a good Christian.

Tony Snow Interviews Billy Graham

"SNOW: When you get to Heaven, who's going to speak first, you or God?

GRAHAM: When I get there, I'm sure that Jesus is going to say that he
will welcome me. But I think that he's going to say: Well done, our good
and faithful servant. Or he may say: You're in the wrong place.

SNOW: You really worry that you may be told you're in the wrong place?

GRAHAM: Yes, because I have not -- I'm not a righteous man. People put
me up on a pedestal that I don't belong in my personal life. And they
think that I'm better than I am. I'm not the good man that people think
I am. Newspapers and magazines and television have made me out to be a
saint. I'm not. I'm not a Mother Teresa. And I feel that very much." ~~~ end of quote from link

Why does he believe that way? Because his altar call is the opposite of the gospel Billy Graham had preached.
What does that have to do with me? I am telling you we have to obey to be saved! You just showed Billy Graham saying he didn't know where he is going and that he isn't a righteous man!

He also believed in speaking in tongues.

So why are you bringing up Billy Graham?

He really said that, that he is not a Mother Teresa? Well Mother Teresa said in her diaries that she didn't know God!

What is your point, because you are making my case!

"It is not going to church every Sunday that is going to save you.
Jesus doesn't tell us to do that.
it is not by keeping the ten commandments that is going to save you, It is all those who call upon the name of the Lord" That is the gospel Paul preached too.
Paul preached to repent of SINS and after repenting of sins we are to call on Jesus to save us.

Billy Graham's altar call "If you are not sure you are saved, come forward and make a commitment to follow Christ". The complete opposite of the gospel he had preached.
Right, and it is NOT what I teach.
So to get assurance of salvation, Billy Graham has to keep that commitment to follow Christ which means what? Going to church every Sunday is going to save him. Keeping the ten commandments and more is going to save him because Jesus's standard are higher than the works of the law.
You are badly mistaken not knowing the scriptures.

You don't love if you are breaking one of the ten commandments.
Is it any wonder why Billy Graham judged himself by that commitment for by that commitments is the knowledge of sin for why he had no assurance of salvation by trying to keep it.
Billy Graham had false beliefs, and so do you.
Billy Graham is in Heaven because he had believed in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from the dead and is saved according to the gospel Paul
You are wrong about what Paul preached. I tell you, I will show you, with scriptures, and my patients and time, but you have to humble yourself.
reached but unless Billy Graham had repented, asking Jesus to set him free from that commitment to rest in Him, then he was laboring in unbelief even unto death,
Are you kidding? You gave information from Billy Graham saying he did NOT obey!
and although his spirit is with the Lord in Heaven, he is at risk of not being partakers of the first fruits of the resurrection and has to wait after the great tribulation for his resurrection day.
If he is at risk, it is because he didn't obey.
So are you saved now, brother,
Oh yes I am.
when you found out other sins you had to repent of later on after the initial event where you had thought you had repented from all sins to get saved before?
Jesus saved me after I repent of my sins, and IF there were any sins I did after being saved, then I repented of them too. That is scripture.


Or is that daily repenting of sins is still required of you to get saved and the Holy Ghost?
You don't listen to well. You are too busy being ensnared and doing the work of false doctrines.
Are you keeping that commitment to follow Him to earn salvation & thus coming short of that rest & laboring in unbelief?
I believed in Jesus my whole life, and Jesus didn't save me until I obeyed him.
Let me know when you are saved simply by believing in Jesus Christ
Believe the Word of God when he says faith alone is dead.
and that you are running that race as a saved believer in looking to Him to repent of sins daily which is what laying aside every weight & sin daily means in going onto perfection by His grace & by His help.
No one is saved unless they repent first.
 
They didn't OBEY that is why they didn't enter.
You keep placing your hope on yourself rather than on Jesus Christ to help you to follow Him. That is no way to live by faith in Jesus Christ.
You sure don't know the Catholic denomination.
The Catholics are in falseness NOT because they do things God says to do, but because they do things God says NOT to do.
No one is condemned because they obey!
You are ensnared to preach that to obey by doing right is wrong!
Your emphasis on yourself must make that yoke of yours hard and your burden heavy.

That is why by your works, is no different than the Catholics. That is how you are not obeying God by believing Jesus Christ to do all things so you can rest in Him & why little children are free to come to Him to believe in Him & be saved. It is the religious people that have a hard time surrendering from all their religious works done in pride to trust Jesus Crist as God for all things as their Savior by believing in Him is how and why God is pleased and how we follow Him by faith in Him as our Good Shepherd in how and why God is pleased there too. That is why it is simply written that the just shall live by faith when all their hope is on Jesus Christ. That is how we obey by hoping in Jesus Christ to help us obey by following Him, not by hoping in yourself to obey and then thinking that is when Jesus will help you or save you..
 
You keep placing your hope on yourself rather than on Jesus Christ to help you to follow Him.
I have my hope on the WORD OF GOD and trust what he says and I do it. No such thing what you say, you are a false witness.
That is no way to live by faith in Jesus Christ.
What you are doing is no way to live. Who should be ensnared to teach against obedience to Christ to get saved and to stay saved? What an awful position to be in, yet you chose that.
Your emphasis on yourself must make that yoke of yours hard and your burden heavy.
blah blah blah That is your mantra from your false teachers.
That is why by your works, is no different than the Catholics.
That is not true. The Catholics do things GOD SAYS NOT TO DO. Jesus says don't call your brothers in Christ 'father', don't bow to the works of your hands, repent then baptized, worship only God... Those things and more the Catholics go against God.
That is how you are not obeying God by believing Jesus Christ to do all things so you can rest in Him & why little children are free to come to Him to believe in Him & be saved.
According to you and your false teachers my obeying Jesus' commands are sending me to hell. You don't see the insanity in that?
It is the religious people that have a hard time surrendering from all their religious works done in pride to trust Jesus Crist as God for all things as their Savior by believing in Him is how and why God is pleased and how we follow Him by faith in Him as our Good Shepherd in how and why God is pleased there too. That is why it is simply written that the just shall live by faith when all their hope is on Jesus Christ. That is how we obey by hoping in Jesus Christ to help us obey by following Him, not by hoping in yourself to obey and then thinking that is when Jesus will help you or save you..
No such thing as hoping in oneself. You are desperately working at trying to get others not to obey Jesus. Where do you think that comes from? Who would like what you are doing and saying? Think.
 
I have my hope on the WORD OF GOD and trust what he says and I do it. No such thing what you say, you are a false witness.

What you are doing is no way to live. Who should be ensnared to teach against obedience to Christ to get saved and to stay saved? What an awful position to be in, yet you chose that.

blah blah blah That is your mantra from your false teachers.

That is not true. The Catholics do things GOD SAYS NOT TO DO. Jesus says don't call your brothers in Christ 'father', don't bow to the works of your hands, repent then baptized, worship only God... Those things and more the Catholics go against God.

According to you and your false teachers my obeying Jesus' commands are sending me to hell. You don't see the insanity in that?

No such thing as hoping in oneself. You are desperately working at trying to get others not to obey Jesus. Where do you think that comes from? Who would like what you are doing and saying? Think.
Yet you condemn me for hoping in Jesus to help me to follow Him. So how is that not you saying the opposite that you are hoping in yourself by obeying Jesus for following Him?
 
Yet you condemn me for hoping in Jesus to help me to follow Him. So how is that not you saying the opposite that you are hoping in yourself by obeying Jesus for following Him?
You are the one who says that to me. Now you want to twist it like I said it to you. You are believing and teaching falseness though. If you are obeying now that that is good, but now you have to repent for preaching falseness. It isn't hope in myself, it is belief and trust in Jesus that he says do this and this and this such and such will happen. I trusted his words and did what his says and he saved me.
 
You are the one who says that to me. Now you want to twist it like I said it to you. You are believing and teaching falseness though. If you are obeying now that that is good, but now you have to repent for preaching falseness. It isn't hope in myself, it is belief and trust in Jesus that he says do this and this and this such and such will happen. I trusted his words and did what his says and he saved me.
I really believe you are saying things not consistent with how you judge.

#1 You say that you have to repent from all sins before Jesus can save you.

#2. Then you said that later on, you found out that there were other sins you needed to repent of.

So clarity is needed here.

Were you saved by you repenting from all sins or not the first time?

Or is it that the necessity of repenting from all sins that you seem to insist on for every sinner out there to know what sin is to repent from all of sins at their salvation, that your salvation did not come about until you found out about those other sins you needed to repent of later on?

When were you saved? And what if there are other sins you know not about now for why you should doubt your gospel presentation of needing to repent from all sins when Paul never gave that necessity in his gospel presentation.

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Please point out to me your necessity to repent from all sins in Paul's presentation of the gospel, because I do not see it. Please bolden it, highlight with color, and underline it.

If you can't then all the scripture you have been applying about the necessity to repent from all sins is about discipleship in running that race, not about obtaining salvation, but even then, discipleship is by the grace of God by faith in Jesus Christ as we look to Him to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily thus this is how those who live by faith in Him live that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ.
 
I really believe you are saying things not consistent with how you judge.
I know you believe that, but I want to show you that you are wrong. However, you speak against obedience to Christ! So how are you going to see the truth if you don't do what Jesus says to do to see the truth?!!!

Think about that, it is important.

Jesus tells us who he gives understanding to, and you go against what Jesus says to get understanding!
 
#1 You say that you have to repent from all sins before Jesus can save you.
A person has to admit they are a sinner to be saved, and confess those sins to Jesus. If you admit you are a sinner but don't know your sins, or won't repent of them if you know what they are, then you are like the vipers who came to be baptized.

I gave you the scriptures that John says that when they came to be baptized THEY BELIEVED---just like you teach we have to do---but they weren't repenting of their sins! Just like you teach that we don't have to do.

You make vipers believe they are saved because they believe!
 
I know you believe that, but I want to show you that you are wrong. However, you speak against obedience to Christ! So how are you going to see the truth if you don't do what Jesus says to do to see the truth?!!!

Think about that, it is important.

Jesus tells us who he gives understanding to, and you go against what Jesus says to get understanding!
By believing in Jesus Christ for all things, I am obeying and I thank Him for my believing in Him for all things too.
 
#2. Then you said that later on, you found out that there were other sins you needed to repent of.
You just misunderstand, for after a person is saved, they learn and grow in the Lord. It is not like what you say, for you are twisting what I said.

You have to know what your sins are. To not have any idea what your sins are, then there is no way you should be coming to get baptized with the Holy Spirit!

If a person repents for fornication, dishonoring their parents, and whatever...and they repent of those things, and are then given the Holy Spirit and are saved, and while living their new born again life they realize they have become lazy, they can learn that it is sin too and repent of that.

What you are doing by going against confessing and telling God you repent your sins is so against God. And then you try to use something I said about repenting after you are saved as some kind of proof I am wrong is just ridiculous, for the Bible says if you sin after being saved you can repent!


Notice you don't reply to what I says as I do for you? All you do is go on with more questions instead of giving answers!
 
A person has to admit they are a sinner to be saved, and confess those sins to Jesus. If you admit you are a sinner but don't know your sins, or won't repent of them if you know what they are, then you are like the vipers who came to be baptized.
Did you not admit that later on in life as a Christian that you became aware of other sins you needed to repent of and did? So does that make you a viper the first time when you had thought you had repented from all sins but did nit know that you did not repented from all sins in according to your comment above?
I gave you the scriptures that John says that when they came to be baptized THEY BELIEVED---just like you teach we have to do---but they weren't repenting of their sins! Just like you teach that we don't have to do.

You make vipers believe they are saved because they believe!
Are sinners slaves to sin or not? If habitual sinners have tried to stop sinning on their own and failed, what makes you think they will listen to you that they are to repent from all sins before coming to & believing in Jesus Christ for God to save them?

They will not. They know they can't do it. It is not because they love sin more than God but because you are asking the impossible for them to do before getting saved by Jesus Christ by believing in Him.

They need to know that Jesus Christ came to deliver us from our sins as well as give us eternal life and all that is required from sinners is to believe in Him to do it.

Need you read Paul's words of what it was like for him under the law in trying to stop sinning? Paul did cited who did finally deliver him from that body of death but he did concluded how he was under the law trying to stop sinning.

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

That is why after having been saved by Jesus Christ, sin has no more dominion over us so we can look to Him daily in repenting from all sins, even if we did sin, we ask Jesus for forgiveness and His help not to do it again daily.

Romans 6:1
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin........ 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

You can see here that the daily necessity of relying on Jesus Christ to lay aside every weight & sin is what discipleship is all about as it is not about obtaining salvation, when we need salvation to be set free from sin in our lives.
 
You just misunderstand, for after a person is saved, they learn and grow in the Lord. It is not like what you say, for you are twisting what I said.
How you had presented "Repent from all sins" as necessary for salvation is clearly still not given as you repeated the same gauntlet below.
You have to know what your sins are. To not have any idea what your sins are, then there is no way you should be coming to get baptized with the Holy Spirit!

If a person repents for fornication, dishonoring their parents, and whatever...and they repent of those things, and are then given the Holy Spirit and are saved, and while living their new born again life they realize they have become lazy, they can learn that it is sin too and repent of that.
Why did the disciples had written to new Gentile believers to abstain from fornication and things offered unto idols unless that was not the gauntlet to repent before in order for them to get saved?

Acts 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
What you are doing by going against confessing and telling God you repent your sins is so against God. And then you try to use something I said about repenting after you are saved as some kind of proof I am wrong is just ridiculous, for the Bible says if you sin after being saved you can repent!

Notice you don't reply to what I says as I do for you? All you do is go on with more questions instead of giving answers!
When addressing your premise which is faulty, is better than addressing everything that followed it in winding up with a very long post which I am sure you would prefer a shorter one otherwise your post would be longer in reply.

AND you haven't replied to how Paul had given the presentation of the gospel that did not stress water baptism nor repentance from all sins but simply believing in Jesus Christ which is the call of the gospel that you are to OBEY!!!

AND you are to continue OBEYING by BELIEVING in HIM for all things. You see yourself coming short in His words? Then you take it to Him, asking for forgiveness and help to follow Him and that still requires you to believe Him.

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
 
Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Please point out to me your necessity to repent from all sins in Paul's presentation of the gospel, because I do not see it. Please bolden it, highlight with color, and underline it.
I can show you easily.
Read what Paul says here:
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Paul says to confess/say with your mouth, "Jesus is my Lord".

Now if you think Paul is teaching that is all you have to do is say, "Jesus is my Lord", then you are wrong, for Paul tells us about confessing! More on that shortly. Right now, I want to show you about saying to yourself, or anyone that Jesus is your Lord---

What does the Lord God Jesus say about calling him your Lord, do you know? Let me help you.

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?

Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.



We can go on to the next things, but do you understand so far?
 
@GodB4Us

Here are the next parts of the scriptures that I highlighted, as you asked:

Romans 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.


Notice how Paul then says to call upon the Lord?

Those who CONFESSED and REPENTED of their sins ARE THE ONES WHO CALLED UPON the Lord to save them.

Acts 22:16 And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name

2 Timothy 2:22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

Read this scripture, it is what the Pharisees and teachers of the law talked about. The people confessed their sins, repented of those sins and then called on Jesus to save them, and it was so common even the Pharisees and teachers of the law saw this matter and commented on it!

Acts 9:21 But all that heard him were amazed, and said; Is not this he that destroyed them which called on this name in Jerusalem, and came hither for that intent, that he might bring them bound unto the chief priests?



Read how Peter explained Jesus to the Jews who formerly rejected Jesus:




Acts 2:21 And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.


READ THE COMING SCRIPTURES FARTHER DOWN:


37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.


I have proven with scriptures that the people are to confess their sins to Jesus, repent of them, and then call on Jesus to save them.
 
@GodB4Us



16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?



Here is the rest of the scriptures from Romans that you posted and wanted me to highlight and explain to you.

Notice that Paul says, "But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith Lord, who hate beleive our report?"


What does Isaiah say?!!!

Isaiah 59:20 “The Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who repent of their sins,” declares the LORD.
 
Did you not admit that later on in life as a Christian that you became aware of other sins you needed to repent of and did? So does that make you a viper the first time when you had thought you had repented from all sins but did nit know that you did not repented from all sins in according to your comment above?
You are the viper and you are trying to make others vipers.

You speak against Jesus, the Word of God, who says repent or perish.

John the baptizer said they were vipers because they had to repent of their sins and not just believe. You preach just believe.


Luke 3:7 John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?
 
Are sinners slaves to sin or not? If habitual sinners have tried to stop sinning on their own and failed, what makes you think they will listen to you that they are to repent from all sins before coming to & believing in Jesus Christ for God to save them?

Paul says you have to be a slave to righteousness to be saved.

We have a choice what we will be a slave to.


They will not. They know they can't do it.
They can't know what their sins are are repent of them?!!!

OF COURSE THEY CAN!

You have mixed up beliefs from false preachers. Get the New Testament and find Jesus' teachings and start doing what he says. He starts out saying repent of your sins. You should do that. One of your sins is preaching falseness.
 
How you had presented "Repent from all sins" as necessary for salvation is clearly still not given as you repeated the same gauntlet below.

Why did the disciples had written to new Gentile believers to abstain from fornication and things offered unto idols unless that was not the gauntlet to repent before in order for them to get saved?

Acts 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

When addressing your premise which is faulty, is better than addressing everything that followed it in winding up with a very long post which I am sure you would prefer a shorter one otherwise your post would be longer in reply.

AND you haven't replied to how Paul had given the presentation of the gospel that did not stress water baptism nor repentance from all sins but simply believing in Jesus Christ which is the call of the gospel that you are to OBEY!!!

AND you are to continue OBEYING by BELIEVING in HIM for all things. You see yourself coming short in His words? Then you take it to Him, asking for forgiveness and help to follow Him and that still requires you to believe Him.

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
You repeat your same folly.

Just do what Jesus says, humble yourself, repent of your sins, call on him to help you, to save you, to give you his Spirit.

The GENTILES WERE WATER BAPTIZED with confessing and repenting of sins.

You say they weren't!

You don't even know that the scripture in Acts about not bothering the Gentiles with anything more is BECAUSE THE GENTILES were talked into the PURIFICATION/CEREMONIAL works of the law---the Gentiles were talked into getting circumcised and observing special days.
 
I can show you easily.
Read what Paul says here:
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Paul says to confess/say with your mouth, "Jesus is my Lord".

Now if you think Paul is teaching that is all you have to do is say, "Jesus is my Lord", then you are wrong, for Paul tells us about confessing! More on that shortly. Right now, I want to show you about saying to yourself, or anyone that Jesus is your Lord---

What does the Lord God Jesus say about calling him your Lord, do you know? Let me help you.

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?

Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

We can go on to the next things, but do you understand so far?
Not by how you apply Matthew 7:21 as if inferring works to be added in order to obtain salvation.

You have not underlined nor boldened nor highlighted anything in Paul's gospel presentation that requires repenting from all sin or as some others would insists to be water baptized to obtain salvation.

I would emphasized verse 11 since it is by believing in Him is how any one would confess Jesus Christ as their Saviour, right? Indeed, one has to believe in Him for them to call on Him to be saved.

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Chew on that for a while, because they have to be saved in order to call Him Lord.

And as far as Matthew 7:21 goes, that is to any saved believer following Him as His disciples as there can be a point when a disciple refuses correction and continues in iniquity for why he is at risk being cut off for being workers of iniquity.

Note verse 6 in John 15:1-8 below.

John 15:1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

Now I tell you, it is not about loss of salvation because the Father chastens those left behind and scourges them too. Look at these saved believers how they are at risk for not resisting sin.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. 4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. 5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: 6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? 10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. 11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

Now look at the stripes from that Father's scourging for having the measure of knowledge they had for not being ready when they get left behind but still whipped as being His servants & this still saved as His?

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

See the connection? Now why would the Father do that for those left behind unless,,, they were saved and still are simply for believing in Jesus Christ for why they will be resurrected after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor.

Why would God have those vessels unto dishonor in His House that did not depart from iniquity? Those vessels of wood and earth testify to the power of God in salvation for all those that believe in Jesus Christ, even in His name.

How else can you explain why the vessels unto dishonor, the vessels of wood & earth, that are in His House for not departing from iniquity other than they were saved by believing in Jesus Christ, even in His name.
 
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