Are the teachings of Jesus about the horror of Hell literal or metaphorical?

[Victor VanHeerden]

There are scores of verses in the Gospels about Hell which would point to the fact that no other biblical figure speaks about hell more often than Lord Jesus Christ. Considering that He was God in human flesh, surely no one knows more about hell than Him. He was merely pointing out the terrible and horrifying eternity that awaits all those who reject the provision of Christ’s blood atonement for the forgiveness of their sins.


His teachings on Hell can be summarised as such: Hell is the place of conscious, eternal torment where peoples experience God's punishment for their sin; an “eternal fire” prepared for the devil and his angels, but also for those who join them in their rebellion against God.

The "horror" of hell is such that Jesus says, "if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire" (Mark 9:43).

He refers often to hell being a place of : “Punishment and torment”, “eternal fire” “fiery furnace” he also spoke of hell using other terms, :“destruction,” “fire/flame,” “lake of fire”, “fire and brimstone”, “bottomless pit”, “condemnation", "perish”, “eternal and everlasting torment”, and “separation from his power”.


The Apostles Peter and Paul carried on the teachings about hell.


2 Peter 3:9 …...., not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


2Thes 1:9 “Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; “


So the NT teaches that hell, is an awful place where the "faithless and sinful souls" go to be eternally punished; the exact opposite of heavenly bliss where the "faithful IN Christ" go as a reward.

 

[PloughBoy]

There are scores of verses in the Gospels about Hell which would point to the fact that no other biblical figure speaks about hell more often than Lord Jesus Christ. Considering that He was God in human flesh, surely no one knows more about hell than Him. He was merely pointing out the terrible and horrifying eternity that awaits all those who reject the provision of Christ’s blood atonement for the forgiveness of their sins.


His teachings on Hell can be summarised as such: Hell is the place of conscious, eternal torment where peoples experience God's punishment for their sin; an “eternal fire” prepared for the devil and his angels, but also for those who join them in their rebellion against God.

The "horror" of hell is such that Jesus says, "if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire" (Mark 9:43).

He refers often to hell being a place of : “Punishment and torment”, “eternal fire” “fiery furnace” he also spoke of hell using other terms, :“destruction,” “fire/flame,” “lake of fire”, “fire and brimstone”, “bottomless pit”, “condemnation", "perish”, “eternal and everlasting torment”, and “separation from his power”.


The Apostles Peter and Paul carried on the teachings about hell.


2 Peter 3:9 …...., not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


2Thes 1:9 “Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; “


So the NT teaches that hell, is an awful place where the "faithless and sinful souls" go to be eternally punished; the exact opposite of heavenly bliss where the "faithful IN Christ" go as a reward.

There is a place called "HADES" meaning the "Grave" is where all souls go. for in which the english language also refers to as "hell". that has two sides to it.
One side, torment, and knowing their final destination that awaits them "The Lake Burnings with Fire and Brimstone" and all the warnings they receive and every ungodly thing they have done with no rest. their sins are tormenting them, and seeing those afar off, who warned them and how they laugh at them and neglected the words coming from them and now watching them in comfort and awaiting Eternity Joys, while they are waiting for final Judgment and eternal Suffering. forever and they neglected all advice, with no rest for every moment and their minds are very clear and open now, So their torments are or cannot be measured by human words. it is more torture than human words can express. So the words are "Anthropomorphic" since the Torturing human words cannot go to such "extremes' for this torture is for the SOUL" the soul is eternal. And the Soul needs a special Body to protect it "from "The Consuming FIRE". and That "CONSUMING FIRE" is GOD the FATHER!

HADES:
It is like a waiting place until The last Trumpet will sound, when Jesus gives the call when The Dead in Christ will all "Rise" and He will take us all to heaven where a Place has been prepared for us. The place He promise to Prepare for us and when it is finish He will come back and get us and Take us All there Those who are alive and those who are in "the Grave" meaning HADES. And we will have Our "Ceremonial Cerebration" and Dinner and receive our awards and positions in "Christ" and Our full adoptive Inheritance from Our Father. and then we will Return to EARTH and The New Jerusalem with come to, and that is Where we The SAINT will always live, and there will be 12 gates to That City and we can come in and Go out. throughout all eternity even when The old earth and universes will be destroyed after The 1000 year reign. Those who are living on the earth during the 1000 reign cannot come into that city that will be in The sky. For that city is "Holy" and The Unholy cannot come in there. Many of those on Planet earth The People we will be ruling for a 1000 years. and judging them. For we Are the Saints of GOD, they are They People of GOD, for we are Different than them, But we all are his People, but we all are Not His Sons! a "Kingdom of kings and priest" for our "brother is "the King of kings" and we are The kings, of all eternity where there is "No end to our shared Kingdom. we have inherit it ALL! And we are the ones that Will RULE! even after He has destroyed all Creation, We will have all ETERNITY, and WHAT EVER THE FATHER HAS In stored For Us. "The Sons of GOD", "Eye have not seen, nor ears heard" nor have entered The heart of a human what GOD has in stored For us, meaning The FATHER and Not referring to the Only SON, But What Our Father has instored For ALL of HIS Sons! Even Jesus Christ! For we are the Gift That The Father is going to Present To His Only SON. A host of Real Brothers and we will Share will THE CHRIST of GOD, What The FATHER will give to US, And that is All things! There is No END in length, Width, height, depth, dimensions, invisible and visible realms, spheres, new uncreated worlds, there is no end to our Reign.
If the only thing your church has talked about is heaven, I am sorry, you need to read your Bible from page 1 unto the end and keep repeating that pattern and each Round will go higher and higher and there is no end, For Heaven and earth will Pass away but His Word will Not. And Heaven and Earth will pass away!

"But who has believe Our report and whom have The arm of The LORD been revealed"?
An if, if it has been reveal to them,

Then why, do they not talk about these Things? And these things do not come up in their "conversations" for it Is written within The "Confounds" of The BOOK, For every Child of The Living GOD, it is The MANNA which comes down From GOD, The Very Volume Of It, Being Revealed In The PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST, OUR LORD. The BOOK which The devil through all of these centuries has tried so hard to keep from The Child of The Living GOD's hands. Now revealed to us. for The time is near.

PS.
That is "The ANTHROPOMORPHIC Version" for the finite Mind.

PLOUGHBOY


New American Standard Bible JESUS SAID:
Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own, but the Father, as He remains in Me, does His works.

Deuteronomy 4:24
For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.

 

[Victor VanHeerden]

There is a place called "HADES" meaning the "Grave" is where all souls go. for in which the english language also refers to as "hell". that has two sides to it.
One side, torment, and knowing their final destination that awaits them "The Lake Burnings with Fire and Brimstone" and all the warnings they receive and every ungodly thing they have done with no rest. their sins are tormenting them, and seeing those afar off, who warned them and how they laugh at them and neglected the words coming from them and now watching them in comfort and awaiting Eternity Joys, while they are waiting for final Judgment and eternal Suffering. forever and they neglected all advice, with no rest for every moment and their minds are very clear and open now, So their torments are or cannot be measured by human words. it is more torture than human words can express. So the words are "Anthropomorphic" since the Torturing human words cannot go to such "extremes' for this torture is for the SOUL" the soul is eternal. And the Soul needs a special Body to protect it "from "The Consuming FIRE". and That "CONSUMING FIRE" is GOD the FATHER!

HADES:
It is like a waiting place until The last Trumpet will sound, when Jesus gives the call when The Dead in Christ will all "Rise" and He will take us all to heaven where a Place has been prepared for us. The place He promise to Prepare for us and when it is finish He will come back and get us and Take us All there Those who are alive and those who are in "the Grave" meaning HADES. And we will have Our "Ceremonial Cerebration" and Dinner and receive our awards and positions in "Christ" and Our full adoptive Inheritance from Our Father. and then we will Return to EARTH and The New Jerusalem with come to, and that is Where we The SAINT will always live, and there will be 12 gates to That City and we can come in and Go out. throughout all eternity even when The old earth and universes will be destroyed after The 1000 year reign. Those who are living on the earth during the 1000 reign cannot come into that city that will be in The sky. For that city is "Holy" and The Unholy cannot come in there. Many of those on Planet earth The People we will be ruling for a 1000 years. and judging them. For we Are the Saints of GOD, they are They People of GOD, for we are Different than them, But we all are his People, but we all are Not His Sons! a "Kingdom of kings and priest" for our "brother is "the King of kings" and we are The kings, of all eternity where there is "No end to our shared Kingdom. we have inherit it ALL! And we are the ones that Will RULE! even after He has destroyed all Creation, We will have all ETERNITY, and WHAT EVER THE FATHER HAS In stored For Us. "The Sons of GOD", "Eye have not seen, nor ears heard" nor have entered The heart of a human what GOD has in stored For us, meaning The FATHER and Not referring to the Only SON, But What Our Father has instored For ALL of HIS Sons! Even Jesus Christ! For we are the Gift That The Father is going to Present To His Only SON. A host of Real Brothers and we will Share will THE CHRIST of GOD, What The FATHER will give to US, And that is All things! There is No END in length, Width, height, depth, dimensions, invisible and visible realms, spheres, new uncreated worlds, there is no end to our Reign.
If the only thing your church has talked about is heaven, I am sorry, you need to read your Bible from page 1 unto the end and keep repeating that pattern and each Round will go higher and higher and there is no end, For Heaven and earth will Pass away but His Word will Not. And Heaven and Earth will pass away!

"But who has believe Our report and whom have The arm of The LORD been revealed"?
An if, if it has been reveal to them,

Then why, do they not talk about these Things? And these things do not come up in their "conversations" for it Is written within The "Confounds" of The BOOK, For every Child of The Living GOD, it is The MANNA which comes down From GOD, The Very Volume Of It, Being Revealed In The PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST, OUR LORD. The BOOK which The devil through all of these centuries has tried so hard to keep from The Child of The Living GOD's hands. Now revealed to us. for The time is near.

PS.
That is "The ANTHROPOMORPHIC Version" for the finite Mind.

PLOUGHBOY


New American Standard Bible JESUS SAID:
Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own, but the Father, as He remains in Me, does His works.

Deuteronomy 4:24
For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.

"..................."The Lake Burnings with Fire and Brimstone" and all the warnings they receive and every ungodly thing they have done with no rest. their sins are tormenting them, and seeing those afar off, who warned them and how they laugh at them and neglected the words coming from them and now watching them in comfort and awaiting Eternity Joys, while they are waiting for final Judgment and eternal Suffering. forever and they neglected all advice, with no rest for every moment and their minds are very clear and open now,

So their torments are or cannot be measured by human words. it is more torture than human words can express.

So the words are "Anthropomorphic" since the Torturing human words cannot go to such "extremes' for this torture is for the SOUL" the soul is eternal. And the Soul needs a special Body to protect it "from "The Consuming FIRE". and That "CONSUMING FIRE" is GOD the FATHER!"

Yep. So you are in agreement with a literal interpretation of hell?

 

[PloughBoy]

"..................."The Lake Burnings with Fire and Brimstone" and all the warnings they receive and every ungodly thing they have done with no rest. their sins are tormenting them, and seeing those afar off, who warned them and how they laugh at them and neglected the words coming from them and now watching them in comfort and awaiting Eternity Joys, while they are waiting for final Judgment and eternal Suffering. forever and they neglected all advice, with no rest for every moment and their minds are very clear and open now,

So their torments are or cannot be measured by human words. it is more torture than human words can express.

So the words are "Anthropomorphic" since the Torturing human words cannot go to such "extremes' for this torture is for the SOUL" the soul is eternal. And the Soul needs a special Body to protect it "from "The Consuming FIRE". and That "CONSUMING FIRE" is GOD the FATHER!"

Yep. So you are in agreement with a literal interpretation of hell?

Well The Original Copied Manuscript does not say "hell" modern day roman catholic gave us the name "hell" The Holy Scriptures call's it "hades" so each person has their own words they choose to use. And that is understandable, each person speaks in a way they are comfortable in,

There are over; 7,100 languages in the world.

"As of 2022 all of the Bible has been translated into 724 languages, the New Testament has been translated into an additional 1,617 languages, and smaller portions of the Bible have been translated into 1,248 other languages according to Wycliffe Global Alliance."

Take note:
Were those translations, translated from a English translation. and Not from a "Original Copied Manuscript".

And many of our own english translations are not copied from "The Original Copied Manuscript" but was Copied or Translated from another english translation. and not by The "Original copied Manuscript" which is is public knowledge. And some people know the wordings, When a person Says "bible" and when one says: "The Holy Scriptures" and when one says; "The Original Copied Manuscript" and tells which "Codex" they are mentioning.


So most likely the Translation that makes you choose the word "hell" instead of "hades"as authoritative. is only a copy or a copy of another copy of a translation and not a copy from The Original words that GOD spoke of by the Original writer of The Text. That is why we are Boumping heads you prefer the translation and i have chosen the Original Word The "Holy Scripture" used. I know the difference, and I cannot be move, for I am a "warrior" for the truth and cannot go back on or in my Elementary Biblical ways. But i am not offended, by the ways and the knowledge of "The Laymen" understandings of The truths of GOD's word. And consider it a person enduring and trying their best to get more "acquainted" with Truths of God word with The best way that one can as we all are each and ever moment of The day.


So we are in somewhat of a agreement, and being challenge each and every moment. and we do consider it a pleasure and labor striving for The Truth.
my form of "hermeneutics" is "Historical Grammatical method" and always "When the Plain Sense of Holy Scripture makes plain Sense seek no other sense" And my form of "Theology is "Theology Proper" and I am not a student of "religion" like many are, for each person is of his own.
For over 40 years and i have not strayed off from The Path, and it has not failed me, but doing those years I have strayed off by listening to others advice, as in the story: "The PILGRIM PROGRESS"

PloughBoy

 

[B-A-C]

The Original Copied Manuscript does not say "hell" modern day roman catholic gave us the name "hell"

Well first, if it's the original, it's not a copy, if it's a copy, it's not the original.

The Roman Catholic church didn't start "hell". Hell is just the English word for Hades.

Hell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The word hades, is in the "original" koine Greek, which the New Testament was written in.

It is unknown for sure what language Jesus spoke in. Most scholar suppose it was likely a Galilean dialect of Aramaic.
But it's possible He spoke Hebrew and Greek as well. These were all common languages of the culture at that time.
Since none of the New Testament is Aramaic, or Hebrew, and most don't believe Jesus taught in Greek, that would mean
no words Jesus said, are in the original Greek. Or in the English words we read today.

Hell is the same to Hades, as Ekklesia is to church, or Paraklete is to Helper or Advocate.
Hell isn't a made up word by a denomination. It's just the English equivalent of a word.

Five of the 10 times the word hades is used in the New Testament, it is used by Jesus Himself.

The Roman Catholic church is in Rome... Italy, where most speak Italian.
The Italian word for Hades is "Ade".

 

[PloughBoy]

Well first, if it's the original, it's not a copy, if it's a copy, it's not the original.

The Roman Catholic church didn't start "hell". Hell is just the English word for Hades.

Hell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The word hades, is in the "original" koine Greek, which the New Testament was written in.

It is unknown for sure what language Jesus spoke in. Most scholar suppose it was likely a Galilean dialect of Aramaic.
But it's possible He spoke Hebrew and Greek as well. These were all common languages of the culture at that time.
Since none of the New Testament is Aramaic, or Hebrew, and most don't believe Jesus taught in Greek, that would mean
no words Jesus said, are in the original Greek. Or in the English words we read today.

Hell is the same to Hades, as Ekklesia is to church, or Paraklete is to Helper or Advocate.
Hell isn't a made up word by a denomination. It's just the English equivalent of a word.

Five of the 10 times the word hades is used in the New Testament, it is used by Jesus Himself.

The "holy Scriptures" existed before there was a lexicon a dictionary a piece of paper, or a pencil or pen or the word "Ecclesia" When was the last time you took up a history class. And what history did you learn about. did you go back as far to "Goat Herders" terminology, taught on "Mount Kilimanjaro"? do you even know when Koine greek was "coined" that is [koined}. and who was the "professor" and The university he taught at.

What is wrong with you? I know I getting old, But you ought to stop. You going out there on a limb and you know you cannot turn around. And come back.

Just like I few years ago, i went on on the roof, to check on a Shingle, and started to come back down off of the roof, I could not figure out how to get back on the Ladder to come back down. It took me about 45 minutes to figure out how to get back on the ladder to climb back down without falling. No body was home to hold the ladder. In my younger years I would have jump down. Now, I cannot hang down and jump.
I don't climb on ladders no more. When we were kids we played on them.

You ought to stop, How old are you? ok you are "63". I am "The ELDER" I am 71. and have not you read in the Book, since you know "Koine Greek".

New King James Version
Likewise you younger people, Submit Yourselves To Your Elders.Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for “God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.”

New American Standard Bible
You younger men, likewise, be subject to your elders; and all of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because GOD IS OPPOSED TO THE PROUD, BUT HE GIVES GRACE TO THE HUMBLE.


1 Timothy 5:1
"Do not rebuke an older man, But Appeal To Him As To A Father. Treat younger men as brothers,"
Now translate that into "Koine Greek"

 

[Victor VanHeerden]

ust like I few years ago, i went on on the roof, to check on a Shingle, and started to come back down off of the roof, I could not figure out how to get back on the Ladder to come back down. It took me about 45 minutes to figure out how to get back on the ladder to climb back down without falling. No body was home to hold the ladder. In my younger years I would have jump down. Now, I cannot hang down and jump.
I don't climb on ladders no more. When we were kids we played on them.

You ought to stop, How old are you? ok you are "63". I am "The ELDER" I am 71. and have not you read in the Book, since you know "Koine Greek".

Yep. That was funny.

I,m 70 and i was on my peaked roof painting facia boards. And had no problem climbing up and down the fireman's ladder. So i better solve my roof issues in the next year. Otherwise they will be left for the next generation to sort out.

 

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Subject heading- Are the teachings of Jesus about the horror of Hell literal or metaphorical?​

@Victor VanHeerden, ( #1, #3 & #7)
@PloughBoy (#2, #4 & #6)
@B-A-C (#5)

Hello there,

The choice made by translators to translate the words, 'Hades', 'Sheol', 'Gehenna' and 'Tartarus,' is the middle English word, 'hell'. The root meaning of which is, 'to hide away', and is spoken of as, 'the place of the dead'. The influence of Greek Philosophy, Tradition, and abuses of many kinds have turned it's meaning into something which it was never intended to portray.

I have made an intensive word by word, verse by verse study of each of these original words, and their usage in Scripture, in the light of the root meaning of the word, 'hell': and the only references to fire has been in the word used by our Lord, which is 'Gehenna'; and He was not referring to hell as a place of eternal conscious punishment; but to the fires of judgment existing at the end of the age. All have reference to a, 'place of the dead', be it the grave or the fires of destruction at the judgement of the end time.

* So, I must disagree with you all on this subject.
* The answer to the question in the subject heading is:- The teaching of Jesus, and His use of the word, 'Gehenna,' concerns end time judgment, and is literal.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Christ

 

[PloughBoy]

Subject heading- Are the teachings of Jesus about the horror of Hell literal or metaphorical?​

@Victor VanHeerden, ( #1, #3 & #7)
@PloughBoy (#2, #4 & #6)
@B-A-C (#5)

Hello there,

The choice made by translators to translate the words, 'Hades', 'Sheol', 'Gehenna' and 'Tartarus,' is the middle English word, 'hell'. The root meaning of which is, 'to hide away', and is spoken of as, 'the place of the dead'. The influence of Greek Philosophy, Tradition, and abuses of many kinds have turned it's meaning into something which it was never intended to portray.

I have made an intensive word by word, verse by verse study of each of these original words, and their usage in Scripture, in the light of the root meaning of the word, 'hell': and the only references to fire has been in the word used by our Lord, which is 'Gehenna'; and He was not referring to hell as a place of eternal conscious punishment; but to the fires of judgment existing at the end of the age. All have reference to a, 'place of the dead', be it the grave or the fires of destruction at the judgement of the end time.

* So, I must disagree with you all on this subject.
* The answer to the question in the subject heading is:- The teaching of Jesus, and His use of the word, 'Gehenna,' concerns end time judgment, and is literal.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Christ

Yes, we must understand that most Biblical words and terminology are "Anthropomorphic", we must remember That "Fire" is a "Creation" and such things are not in "ETERNITY" fire is only a creation and it will not exist either. So The Words are "Anthropomorphic" Jesus chose the worst earthly"Scenario" to describe "Torture".
There are no human words or thoughts that can picture "heaven", Hell, Hades, Death, or "Eternal Life". And we must also remember Their is something else That The Father will "create" far beyond what "heaven" even looks like, for He Will destroy "heaven" too, that is which, "Jesus The SON Created and all of the creatures and the Angels, are only a creation that The Son Created, But Our Father is Going to make all of HIs Children something "Brand NEW" for This new thing, also will be a "GIFT" for His SON. It is our Shared "Inheritance"

Jesus said: "My FATHER IS GREATER than I" "eye have not seen" .......But we have seen, what Jesus has made. I hope you feel me. If you are thrill what the Son has created, you have not seen nothing yet. Your ears can not have not even heard, What The Father can do! [ I know, many do not heard me } for many minds have went blank. Because their mortal minds cannot go there. Their faith, cannot reach that place.

I know most christians cannot fathom these Truths. Because we have been taught earthly things in the modern day churches and by modern day church leaders. Who instill in us the pictures of a earthy heaven. By books and what they have seen in heaven in dreams and visions and made Billions of Dollars conveying false views of what that which is to come. And the only thing we needed, was for them to demand us, to read our Bibles and nothing else.

That we may Grow from glory to glory and glory and glory and never ending Glory in That one BOOK. And Let GOD and not man convey His Truth. It was once necessary when people could not read and when it was a outlawed to read a bible in common mans languages and printing presses did not exist and copying hand by hand produce so many copying errors. From one hand to another and so many false copies by copying crooks, Just like we have today. But back then, they had also black marketing hand copies letters of the Biblical writings, so no one would know what was real and what was forged. No way to know if it was authentic or not. [this is Satanic and the works of Demonic forces so we could not know the truths and deep truths what GOD have in stored for us in Eternity] Heaven does not excite anyone, But The Things Beyond heaven in Eternity does. Heaven gets old like a new car, But Eternity, every Moment and there is no end. Human words cannot reach The Manifestations of That place. The place that will even Thrill The SON of The LIVING GOD!

The Fine Print:
Even now, when we grew up, people of my age group, they just started to teach us in grade schools how to "proof read" materials. We where really the 1st. generations, that taught us about reading the "fine" PRINT. So they taught is how to "research' and we protected our own parents from business crooks, "Carpet baggers" and "contract traps".

They don't do that any more, but we have been sold out by the ones that we paved the way for, to go on and be successful. And they have turn their backs on us, and robbed us. As if by Their own wisdom they have achieve such stardom. But , we are that foundation that they stood on. Now, they have eroded the foundation, and now "Humpty Dumpty" is falling down. or yes, the buildings, are falling down. Why, because she have tore it down by her own hands.

Proverbs
1Every wise woman builds her house,
but a foolish one tears it down with her own hands.

2He who walks in uprightness fears the LORD,
but the one who is devious in his ways despises Him.

PloughBoy, and once again, I am carrying the Mail. and no one has to say; "AMEN" but I know, GOD WILL!

 

[Samson2020]

Have we ever considered that God started all of what has been written with a specific objective? And what exactly was/is that objective? Is it not sons of the Father who are conformed to
the image of Jesus, thus brothers?
Can anyone come to or believe in Jesus unless God teaches and draws them? What else is required to believe, is it not faith? And who is responsible for the giving of faith? Is it not God?
Indeed are not ALL things in the salvation process choices of the Father? And if this be true, then why would the Father want to eternally punish those that He did not choose in this first
death?

Rom 8:30 For whom He(God) did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He(Jesus) might the the FIRST BORN of MANY brethren."
Eph 1:4 According as He(God) has chosen us in Him BEFORE the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love. 5-Having predestinated us to the
adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will.
Rom 8:30 "Moreover whom He did predestinate , them He also called, and whom He called them He also justified, and whom He justified, then He also glorified."

Now the obvious question would be what did we have to do with the predestination, the calling, the justification, or the glorification? Nothing!!! Why???
Because it is all being done according to the Fathers will as Eph 1:5 states.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him........."
Rom3:26 To declare, I say, at this time His(Gods) righteousness, that He(God) might be just and the justifier of him which believes in Jesus."
1 Co 15:22-23 For as in Adam(flesh) ALL die, even so in Christ(born again) shall ALL be made alive. But every man in his own order...................

As demonstrated above the order is completely up to the Father, just as your arrival on earth was, so is your salvation and maturation into the conforming to the image of the first-born Son.
Try as you may you will get nowhere in building your own house unto glorification. It is of the Fathers good will, and desire, to give you the kingdom that this will occur, in His order
for every human.

IMO the main thing readers miss is that the second death has ALL the components of the one we live in now. Thus the second death is a reproduction of what we see today yet
in Gods SECOND week. Granted to find out that you missed the calling is gonna cause great distress as your lowered right back into what the world is today, or worse.
But since it is up to God to do the drawing/calling/giving of faith, that will happen according to His schedule in the second death, or after???????

Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the FULLNESS OF TIMES, He might gather together in one ALL things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him....

The key to understanding the last verse is the fullness of TIMES. Times is the various death periods that have been ordained in order to bring EVERY man into LIFE through Christ.

Keep in mind as you object to this post that the devil/satan is kept in a bottomless pit for 1,000 yrs, the kingdom reign. Then He is let out to deceive the nations. Does this sound as
though the devil is the enemy of God? or just the enemy of the crosses complete and total justification of all men?
Now why let the devil out, or for that matter why let him live? Because he is the dispenser of Gods evil which actually works to perfect those that are being perfected!
Consider that in order to be more like your heavenly Father you must forgive. How is this possible without sin coming against you? And who brings this sin? Is it not the vessels
that have been fitted to dishonor that are given over to the devil?
For this same reason is the devil, the false prophet(religion), the beast(government), the grave, and death are thrown back into the second death.
False religions requires people to run them, as do governments.
If the grave is there it is because people are gonna die during the period, still having fear of death causing them to be slaves of/to sin.

1 Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. How is this accomplished? By tossing it into the second death? NO, but by every man having entered into the life
that was purchased for them by the one righteous act of Jesus Christ.

Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offense of one(Adam) judgement came upon ALL men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one(Jesus), the FREE GIFT came upon
ALL men unto JUSTIFICATION OF LIFE.
Both of these, the condemnation and justification are Gods decrees. We had nothing to do with either. They were ordered due to
Adams offense and Jesus' righteous act period! If you actually think about it God did not have to condemn anybody, but because it was always His will to reconcile ALL
back to Himself through Jesus it had to happen. Not to mention that in order for man to be like God he had to know good and evil. Gen 3:22

Keep in mind as mentioned above by scripture it is up to God to call, give the faith necessary to believe causing justification, and His intention is to bring ALL to life as was
promised in Titus 1:2 before the world began! And also clarified in Romans 5:18. Noting that the righteous act is what bought that for ALL.
Not because anybody deserves it, but because that is His will, and He works ALL things after the counsel of His own will.

Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Faith is the gift of God according to His mercy as He lets each of His children in on what He has done for them through Jesus. And eventually ALL will know!

Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye are Gods; And ALL of you are children of the Most High.

This is compressed as much as possible for lengths sake, but if you can not get past SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS :"I accepted" then you will never be able to see it. However,
because as mentioned above it is His intent to bring ALL men into life, you will one day overcome with His help. Even if that is thousands of years into the future.

 

[MedicBravo]

Hell is literal.
When anyone speaks to a person or group of people they must speak where they can understand it.
Pretty sure an accurate God spoken Hell would be hard to understand vs a human level depiction.

 

[Bill Taylor]

Well first, if it's the original, it's not a copy, if it's a copy, it's not the original.

The Roman Catholic church didn't start "hell". Hell is just the English word for Hades.

Hell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The word hades, is in the "original" koine Greek, which the New Testament was written in.

It is unknown for sure what language Jesus spoke in. Most scholar suppose it was likely a Galilean dialect of Aramaic.
But it's possible He spoke Hebrew and Greek as well. These were all common languages of the culture at that time.
Since none of the New Testament is Aramaic, or Hebrew, and most don't believe Jesus taught in Greek, that would mean
no words Jesus said, are in the original Greek. Or in the English words we read today.

Hell is the same to Hades, as Ekklesia is to church, or Paraklete is to Helper or Advocate.
Hell isn't a made up word by a denomination. It's just the English equivalent of a word.

Five of the 10 times the word hades is used in the New Testament, it is used by Jesus Himself.

The Roman Catholic church is in Rome... Italy, where most speak Italian.
The Italian word for Hades is "Ade".

I know you are aware already but to warn new members, be careful with the answers of Plowboy, he will venture through so many Rabbit Holes that you might never find your point of origin again. When anyone mixes good with bad information, it is best not to respond and just return to what the scriptures say. I stand firmly and instruct you; Do not trust anyone's word if it does not agree with the recorded Word.

 

[MedicBravo]

I know you are aware already but to warn new members, be careful with the answers of Plowboy, he will venture through so many Rabbit Holes that you might never find your point of origin again. When anyone mixes good with bad information, it is best not to respond and just return to what the scriptures say. I stand firmly and instruct you; Do not trust anyone's word if it does not agree with the recorded Word.

Regardless of which "Hell" is used, Hell is a literal place. Jesus spoke on it more than anyone.

 

[PloughBoy]

I know you are aware already but to warn new members, be careful with the answers of Plowboy, he will venture through so many Rabbit Holes that you might never find your point of origin again. When anyone mixes good with bad information, it is best not to respond and just return to what the scriptures say. I stand firmly and instruct you; Do not trust anyone's word if it does not agree with the recorded Word.

For your information sir, all of My information is Theologically sound, and I do not copy or engage in "plagiarism" or engulf in the art of devouring biblical "regurgitation" from the mouths of others , as the "Holy Scripture" states, that is a distaste even to GOD per se Bible. So why would a man, that is a "child of the Living God" not address the person he has a beef with, but rather "Sow Discourse among the brethren"? Please note: That is Rhetorical. and humbly speaking. Really too, to get your attention, to think.
Mr.

Bill Taylor, meaning NOT you any KIND OF harm, sir but,​

I do wonder why, for God is not please. with cowards either so says "The WORD of GOD". "Mr.Bill Taylor" I am available to debate and listen to what you have against me, That makes me a "Enemy of GOD" in your view point. There is not such thing as in between The Devil and GOD's truth. So Why don't you state your case when ready, instead of talking behind my back, For no brother of mines in Christ would dare speak about His on brother that has Been "Born of GOD". For Our father would not stand for it! For his ears are always listening to those who speak harm into the "SPIRITUAL Air ways" about HIs "Sons.

For HIS Angels are always surrounding them, with care. ALWAYS and Never unattended. Even the disobedient ones.


New American Standard Bible
"For He will give His angels orders concerning you, To protect you in all your ways."

Now what say you "Kemosabe" meaning "faithful friend"

Any time you feel free to debate, but to let you know I am not into debating denominations and where they stand on their own doctrine and creeds in which they stand.

PloughBoy, there nothing wrong among those in Christ engage in "Fencing" with covered tips. in other words "Iron Sharpens Iron". But when you Are ready, "Bring your A game"

Because the devil, always do,

A portion of your Quote:
"When anyone mixes good with bad information," "GODLY with DEMONIC" information so you have proclaim.
"On Guard" prepared to defend yourself! and be warn, I was trained in "Okinawa" KARATE", Judo, Kung Fu, and "Jujitsu". But I am little slow now, because I am old and retired, from My "Theological Studies", My Style is "Theology Proper" and my style of Hermeneutics is "Historical Grammatical Method". for over 40 years including The History of Romans, All of the Popes, And A Few Of The Church Fathers, And The Leaders Of "The Reformation Period" Even Going Back As Far As "John Wycliffe' "John Huss", The Kings such as Charles, James, and The queens of England, Scotland And Spain, And Far As Rome Is Concerning I Know Nero's Mother. And [Please Bring "Flavius Josephus" With You.

Because It Seems You Might Want To Have A Picnic On The Lawn Among "Olivet Discourse" sitting down under The Fir tree with a Olive Branch, fanning in the wind.
Since I do not drink, there will not be any Wine served at this time until we get In "The KINGDOM" Setting Around "The Coronation Table"

And That Will Be Nice

PLOUGHBOY

 

[Bill Taylor]

P

For your information sir, all of My information is Theologically sound, and I do not copy or engage in "plagiarism" or engulf in the art of devouring biblical "regurgitation" from the mouths of others , as the "Holy Scripture" states, that is a distaste even to GOD per se Bible. So why would a man, that is a "child of the Living God" not address the person he has a beef with, but rather "Sow Discourse among the brethren"? Please note: That is Rhetorical. and humbly speaking. Really too, to get your attention, to think.
Mr.

Bill Taylor, meaning NOT you any KIND OF harm, sir but,​

I do wonder why, for God is not please. with cowards either so says "The WORD of GOD". "Mr.Bill Taylor" I am available to debate and listen to what you have against me, That makes me a "Enemy of GOD" in your view point. There is not such thing as in between The Devil and GOD's truth. So Why don't you state your case when ready, instead of talking behind my back, For no brother of mines in Christ would dare speak about His on brother that has Been "Born of GOD". For Our father would not stand for it! For his ears are always listening to those who speak harm into the "SPIRITUAL Air ways" about HIs "Sons.

For HIS Angels are always surrounding them, with care. ALWAYS and Never unattended. Even the disobedient ones.


New American Standard Bible
"For He will give His angels orders concerning you, To protect you in all your ways."

Now what say you "Kemosabe" meaning "faithful friend"

Any time you feel free to debate, but to let you know I am not into debating denominations and where they stand on their own doctrine and creeds in which they stand.

PloughBoy, there nothing wrong among those in Christ engage in "Fencing" with covered tips. in other words "Iron Sharpens Iron". But when you Are ready, "Bring your A game"

Because the devil, always do,

A portion of your Quote:
"When anyone mixes good with bad information," "GODLY with DEMONIC" information so you have proclaim.
"On Guard" prepared to defend yourself! and be warn, I was trained in "Okinawa" KARATE", Judo, Kung Fu, and "Jujitsu". But I am little slow now, because I am old and retired, from My "Theological Studies", My Style is "Theology Proper" and my style of Hermeneutics is "Historical Grammatical Method". for over 40 years including The History of Romans, All of the Popes, And A Few Of The Church Fathers, And The Leaders Of "The Reformation Period" Even Going Back As Far As "John Wycliffe' "John Huss", The Kings such as Charles, James, and The queens of England, Scotland And Spain, And Far As Rome Is Concerning I Know Nero's Mother. And [Please Bring "Flavius Josephus" With You.

Because It Seems You Might Want To Have A Picnic On The Lawn Among "Olivet Discourse" sitting down under The Fir tree with a Olive Branch, fanning in the wind.
Since I do not drink, there will not be any Wine served at this time until we get In "The KINGDOM" Setting Around "The Coronation Table"

And That Will Be Nice

PLOUGHBOY

Ploughboy, we already did this and you refused sound advice and request to use address' to reference your comments. The worst thing man has done to the Holy Word of YHWH is also the best thing we could have done. The scriptures were written like letters without chapter and verse addresses. The division of the Word gave us easy access to separate thoughts but it also allows people to divide and separate single thoughts. By parsing out scripture the entire purpose is corrupted.

For the benefit of others reading this; scripture is all involved and no single line nor single passage be understood without the light of all other scripture shining on it. i.e. People reading only the New Testament often ignore Yahshua when He teaches of Hell and the Lake of Fire and claim that a loving God will never punish His subjects with such cruelty.

If a person reads the Word as it is written, from beginning to end, and if they have raised responsible children they know that a Loving Parent will spank a child to teach a life lesson, as will our Father, God.

 

[MedicBravo]

P

Ploughboy, we already did this and you refused sound advice and request to use address' to reference your comments. The worst thing man has done to the Holy Word of YHWH is also the best thing we could have done. The scriptures were written like letters without chapter and verse addresses. The division of the Word gave us easy access to separate thoughts but it also allows people to divide and separate single thoughts. By parsing out scripture the entire purpose is corrupted.

For the benefit of others reading this; scripture is all involved and no single line nor single passage be understood without the light of all other scripture shining on it. i.e. People reading only the New Testament often ignore Yahshua when He teaches of Hell and the Lake of Fire and claim that a loving God will never punish His subjects with such cruelty.

If a person reads the Word as it is written, from beginning to end, and if they have raised responsible children they know that a Loving Parent will spank a child to teach a life lesson, as will our Father, God.

You're not the only one who has problems with this person.
You can ignore him/her and people like that are so insistent they are right in whatever they are stating.

 

[KingJ]

​

Are the teachings of Jesus about the horror of Hell literal or metaphorical?​

Jesus is literal without a doubt. But, you need to properly read and consider all text on the topic. Then you will see that you are pushing a narrative that terribly misrepresents God on the topic. ''Horror''.

Hell is a bad place when compared to heaven. You need to remember that God is in a place of absolute peace and tranquility. Earth / exiting Eden was described as a bad place by God to Adam and Eve. But yet, it is not 'that' bad.

The "horror" of hell is such that Jesus says, "if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire" (Mark 9:43).
2 Peter 3:9 …...., not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Thes 1:9 “Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; “

You need to read Luke 16 to better understand what kind of fire will be in hell. Then you need to also grasp that God is a just judge Job 34:12 who will punish each according to their deeds Rom 2:6.

I am convinced that people that go to hell (lake of fire) will endure an initial suffering of fire for their sins and then be punished with fire as and when they sin. My support for this is 1. Rom 2:6 and 2. the fact that scripture clearly states that it was the piercing, bruising and stripes Jesus endured that heals us of our iniquities Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. This all took place within a single day. After the beatings, Jesus hanged on the cross for an estimated 4 hours and then went to Hades for three days. This punishment over three - four days was sufficient for God to forgive the sins of the world 1 John 2:2. As such, I highly doubt, God will punish any in agonizing fire over the course of a week, let alone eternity.

Remember there is agonizing fire and then there is torturous fire. Agonizing fire is described in Luke 16. In this state you ask for a drop of water on your tongue. Torturous fire, like being placed in a brazen bull is what most insinuate scripture alludes to. This is a terribly false narrative. One that completely misrepresents God. Suggests He sits atop the list of the worst beings to ever live. We would be wise to ''NOT'' assume this and teach it as fact. Imagine being that person standing before God on judgement day that is guilty of misrepresenting God to the lost He loves and died for.

I explain this all in the OP here What to expect in hell.

 

[Victor VanHeerden]

​

Jesus is literal without a doubt. But, you need to properly read and consider all text on the topic. Then you will see that you are pushing a narrative that terribly misrepresents God on the topic. ''Horror''.

Hell is a bad place when compared to heaven. You need to remember that God is in a place of absolute peace and tranquility. Earth / exiting Eden was described as a bad place by God to Adam and Eve. But yet, it is not 'that' bad.



You need to read Luke 16 to better understand what kind of fire will be in hell. Then you need to also grasp that God is a just judge Job 34:12 who will punish each according to their deeds Rom 2:6.

I am convinced that people that go to hell (lake of fire) will endure an initial suffering of fire for their sins and then be punished with fire as and when they sin. My support for this is 1. Rom 2:6 and 2. the fact that scripture clearly states that it was the piercing, bruising and stripes Jesus endured that heals us of our iniquities Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. This all took place within a single day. After the beatings, Jesus hanged on the cross for an estimated 4 hours and then went to Hades for three days. This punishment over three - four days was sufficient for God to forgive the sins of the world 1 John 2:2. As such, I highly doubt, God will punish any in agonizing fire over the course of a week, let alone eternity.

Remember there is agonizing fire and then there is torturous fire. Agonizing fire is described in Luke 16. In this state you ask for a drop of water on your tongue. Torturous fire, like being placed in a brazen bull is what most insinuate scripture alludes to. This is a terribly false narrative. One that completely misrepresents God. Suggests He sits atop the list of the worst beings to ever live. We would be wise to ''NOT'' assume this and teach it as fact. Imagine being that person standing before God on judgement day that is guilty of misrepresenting God to the lost He loves and died for.

I explain this all in the OP here What to expect in hell.

There are two judgements in Scripture. One for the Christian and one for the unbeliever. We must not get confused.

The Bema Seat Judgement, (Judgement Seat of Christ)

Where the Born-Again, relationship -with-Jesus Christian will be judged with rewards according to their works/stewardship.

2 Cor. 5: 9-10 "So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.'

1 Cor 3:12,13,14 " Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.

Fire used by Jesus for the Christian is to PURIFY his work by burning up that which is not of God.

And

The Great White Throne judgment. (Judgement seat of God the Father.)

where those who reject Jesus as Lord and Saviour will be judicially judged and given an eternal sentence of torment in the unquenchable fire of hell.

Rev 21:11 "Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them.And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”

The Day of Judgement mentioned again

Matthew 10:14,15 says, “ Verily I say unto you, It shall be MORE TOLERABLE for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT, ”

Fire used by Father God for the unbeliever is to PUNISH him.


Christians are judged differently to unbelievers.

Unrepentant sinners with out Christ, are judged as Children of Satan at the Great White Throne Judgement.

And repentant sinners in Christ, judged as Children of God will receive differing rewards in heaven.

That is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. No one goes to heaven because of his goodness. Only Christ pleases the Father. If the Father Judge sees Christ he is happy. If not he is angry.

God is clear on this issue. He views that there are only two types of people. One a "Child of God" - the other a "Child of Satan". He see us as Christs or Satan's.

John 16:8,11, And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: · Of sin, because they believe not on me

for they have Satan, not God, as their father.

John 8:44.You belong to your father, the devil.....

One with the devil. Of his family and offspring. Thus the same punishment due for the devil is the unbelievers destiny as well.

You are either a Child of God or a child of the devil.

No in between. No degrees of being of God or of Satan. If you are not a child of God you are a child of Satan. Very clear.

God as God is entitled to punish Satan and his offspring as he sees fit.

When God looks at a Child of God he sees - Christ..

When God looks at a child of Satan he sees - Satan.

The crime one commits to be sent to hell and suffer eternal punishment is the rejection of Christ and Fathers Salvation plan.

THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN!

All sin is forgiven via a contrite, humble and repentant heart with godly remorse before the Judgement Day.

After it is too late. And exactly why Paul said today is the day of salvation, not tomorrow, because tomorrow can be too late..

 

[Samson2020]

The Great White Throne judgment. (Judgement seat of God the Father.)

where those who reject Jesus as Lord and Saviour will be judicially judged and given an eternal sentence of torment in the unquenchable fire of hell.

Rom 11:32 "For God hath concluded them ALL in unbelief that He might have mercy upon ALL."
John 6:44 "No man can come to me except the Father which sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."
John 12: 32 "And I, If I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me."
John 6:37 "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I shall in no wise cast out."

No one can know who Jesus truly was/is unless the Father teaches them and calls them. John 6:45 Matt 16:17 These verses show that it is entirely up to the Father to draw and to teach
and to give the faith necessary.

Romans 3:21- But now apart from the law THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD has been made known......22- This righteousness is GIVEN THROUGH FAITH to all who believe. There is no
difference between Jew and Gentile, 23- for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. 24- Being JUSTIFIED FREELY BY HIS GRACE through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For BY GRACE ARE YE SAVED through FAITH; and that(FAITH) NOT OF YOURSELVES: it(FAITH) is the GIFT OF GOD.

Romans 5:18 Therefore, as by one mans offense(Adam) judgement came to ALL men, resulting in condemnation, EVEN SO THROUGH ONE MANS RIGHTEOUS ACT(JESUS) THE
FREE GIFT CAME TO ALL MEN, RESULTING IN JUSTIFICATION OF LIFE."

The failure is to understand the spiritual language about hell fire and brimstone, and the lake of fire. The second death is composed of everything we see in the world today.
False religion, government, Satan and his minion, the grave, and death.
It is a second round of "hell" on earth for all whom the Father has not chosen to draw to Jesus in the first death period which we are in now.

There is no way that Jesus, who died for the sins of ALL men will not receive their lives as compensation for His sacrifice. John 12:32
We must understand that He either took away all the sin of the world or He didn't. We know He did and thus those whom are not called during the first death period have
simply not been given the faith necessary to believe yet. This is why those whom are placed back into the second death are judged according to their works, placed back in
according to where they were, spiritually and morally speaking, to continue. Why judge according to works, unless the only work to consider is faith? And faith must come
from God Himself so this is not their work that is judged!

Death is an enemy to the cross of Christ and is the last enemy to be destroyed, but death is not destroyed in the second death, otherwise it wouldn't be called the second
death as people will die during this period, thus the need for the grave to be put back in as well.
Death itself is a consequence of sin. Once one receives the faith necessary to believe they then have been justified by God and have entered into life according to
His timing and calling. Once every man has entered into life is when death will have been destroyed, otherwise anyone that does not enter into life will have been
destroyed by death, and death would have a win over the cross, and thats just not possible. As ALL men were justified unto life by the righteous act of Jesus by the decree
of God Himself. Rom 5:18

Matt 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS; and all these things shall be added unto you.

 

[Victor VanHeerden]

Rom 11:32 "For God hath concluded them ALL in unbelief that He might have mercy upon ALL."
John 6:44 "No man can come to me except the Father which sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."
John 12: 32 "And I, If I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me."
John 6:37 "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I shall in no wise cast out."

No one can know who Jesus truly was/is unless the Father teaches them and calls them. John 6:45 Matt 16:17 These verses show that it is entirely up to the Father to draw and to teach
and to give the faith necessary.

Romans 3:21- But now apart from the law THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD has been made known......22- This righteousness is GIVEN THROUGH FAITH to all who believe. There is no
difference between Jew and Gentile, 23- for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. 24- Being JUSTIFIED FREELY BY HIS GRACE through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For BY GRACE ARE YE SAVED through FAITH; and that(FAITH) NOT OF YOURSELVES: it(FAITH) is the GIFT OF GOD.

Romans 5:18 Therefore, as by one mans offense(Adam) judgement came to ALL men, resulting in condemnation, EVEN SO THROUGH ONE MANS RIGHTEOUS ACT(JESUS) THE
FREE GIFT CAME TO ALL MEN, RESULTING IN JUSTIFICATION OF LIFE."

The failure is to understand the spiritual language about hell fire and brimstone, and the lake of fire. The second death is composed of everything we see in the world today.
False religion, government, Satan and his minion, the grave, and death.
It is a second round of "hell" on earth for all whom the Father has not chosen to draw to Jesus in the first death period which we are in now.

There is no way that Jesus, who died for the sins of ALL men will not receive their lives as compensation for His sacrifice. John 12:32
We must understand that He either took away all the sin of the world or He didn't. We know He did and thus those whom are not called during the first death period have
simply not been given the faith necessary to believe yet. This is why those whom are placed back into the second death are judged according to their works, placed back in
according to where they were, spiritually and morally speaking, to continue. Why judge according to works, unless the only work to consider is faith? And faith must come
from God Himself so this is not their work that is judged!

Death is an enemy to the cross of Christ and is the last enemy to be destroyed, but death is not destroyed in the second death, otherwise it wouldn't be called the second
death as people will die during this period, thus the need for the grave to be put back in as well.
Death itself is a consequence of sin. Once one receives the faith necessary to believe they then have been justified by God and have entered into life according to
His timing and calling. Once every man has entered into life is when death will have been destroyed, otherwise anyone that does not enter into life will have been
destroyed by death, and death would have a win over the cross, and thats just not possible. As ALL men were justified unto life by the righteous act of Jesus by the decree
of God Himself. Rom 5:18

Matt 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Yep. Sadly much more will spend a horrible eternity in hellfire and brimstone with Satan than in comfort and bliss with Jesus in heaven.

Math 7:13 " Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in there at:."

Math22:14 “For many are called, but few are chosen.”

James2:10 "Whoever keeps the whole law but stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it."

2Pet3:14 " therefore, beloved, as you anticipate these things, make every effort to be found at peace--spotless and blameless in His sight"

2Pet3:17 "Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness."

2Pet1:5-7 "But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love."

Christians need to seek the things that God has freely given otherwise they will fall by the wayside. Just like they freely received Christ and His righteousness.

Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

When a person meets Christ and is saved/ born again he/she is still a babe and needs to grow in Christ. By seeking the milk of the Word of God which are the Principles and Doctrines of the Ascended Christ. But if the babe does not grow it will be tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine. That is not pleasing to God. A Christian must be able to consume strong meat by becoming mature and going on to perfection- as it were, And not keep needing to be taught the:-

" the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.".