LegendaryU2K
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BROTHERSINARMST4G said:
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LegendaryU2K
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I found something Interesting:
"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son
Correct me if i'm wrong, but you know if people will say that Jesus Christ is GOD, then this person must be a liar, because he or she is not actually not believing that Jesus is the Christ. Also we read more, that this person must be an anti-christ that Deny's/Denieth that God is the Father & Jesus Christ is the Son of GOD
Because if one will say that Jesus Christ is GOD, you cant say he is the Son of GOD, the trinity does not base results on how they all are the same, like some horror flick, but base results on the facts that GOD The Father, The Holy Ghost , The Son of GOD whom is Jesus Christ, works together, but remain separated.
This is also in connection with how Jesus Christ was praying to GOD, because one can not pray to himself. So in other words, Maybe people who believe that Jesus is GOD and not understanding that Jesus is the Son of GOD, like the scritpures says, you are one of the anit-christ.
Thats why i said, dont be so quick to say i'm wrong, because you never know.
"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son
Correct me if i'm wrong, but you know if people will say that Jesus Christ is GOD, then this person must be a liar, because he or she is not actually not believing that Jesus is the Christ. Also we read more, that this person must be an anti-christ that Deny's/Denieth that God is the Father & Jesus Christ is the Son of GOD
Because if one will say that Jesus Christ is GOD, you cant say he is the Son of GOD, the trinity does not base results on how they all are the same, like some horror flick, but base results on the facts that GOD The Father, The Holy Ghost , The Son of GOD whom is Jesus Christ, works together, but remain separated.
This is also in connection with how Jesus Christ was praying to GOD, because one can not pray to himself. So in other words, Maybe people who believe that Jesus is GOD and not understanding that Jesus is the Son of GOD, like the scritpures says, you are one of the anit-christ.
Thats why i said, dont be so quick to say i'm wrong, because you never know.
mymakersdaughter
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Well at 23 you are showing that you need to be under the teaching of a Pastor/teacher. It is not beneficial for you to be so close minded at 23. It must be difficult for you to live in a house or drive a car as you do not believe in man made buildings to worship God in. We worship God with every part of our being no matter where we are. I do not limit God to being just outside under trees. God is limitless, I refuse to put Him in a box. I am not so insecure that I can limit the Creator of the foundations of this world. Please get back to us AFTER you have studied with a Biblically educated Pastor.
LegendaryU2K
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mymakersdaughter said:
I forgot to add something:
"Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father"
"Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also"
Notice it separates them both, that last line reads: Whosoever deny the son of GOD, knows not the father. But he that acknowledgeth the Son Of GOD , knows the father also. I dont know much more clear it can get , it clearly reads that Jesus is the son of GOD, not GOD.
Anyway, Goodday.:thumbs_up And btw, why do you keep telling me to go to a pastor lol, i betcha i know and understand more then most pastors living today, because i do not get my teaching from the many men who walk in this time, i get my teaching from GOD The Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
So you can continue listening to your pastor, who if possible may be wrong, but i would rather get my teaching str from the bible.
Peace & GOD Bless The World
mymakersdaughter
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And that would be scarey what you are doing, accountable to no one.
Pastor's read the original Greek, Arabic and Hebrew, I suppose you do as well? but I guess that really doesn't matter in your world.
Pastor's read the original Greek, Arabic and Hebrew, I suppose you do as well? but I guess that really doesn't matter in your world.
buzzboodro
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Anyway, Goodday.:thumbs_up And btw, why do you keep telling me to go to a pastor lol, i betcha i know and understand more then most pastors living today, because i do not get my teaching from the many men who walk in this time, i get my teaching from GOD The Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
So you can continue listening to your pastor, who if possible may be wrong, but i would rather get my teaching str from the bible.
Peace & GOD Bless The World[/QUOTE]
If indeed you "got your teaching" from the bible you would understand about "order" the "word" is not for any one person's "private" interpretation
only the Spirit of Truth can lead you into the truth even Jesus did not "stand" alone when we try to do it ourselves we fall alone.
Anyway, Goodday.:thumbs_up And btw, why do you keep telling me to go to a pastor lol, i betcha i know and understand more then most pastors living today, because i do not get my teaching from the many men who walk in this time, i get my teaching from GOD The Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
So you can continue listening to your pastor, who if possible may be wrong, but i would rather get my teaching str from the bible.
Peace & GOD Bless The World[/QUOTE]
If indeed you "got your teaching" from the bible you would understand about "order" the "word" is not for any one person's "private" interpretation
only the Spirit of Truth can lead you into the truth even Jesus did not "stand" alone when we try to do it ourselves we fall alone.
Legendary ... If you could understand why Jesus came [ or was sent ] , then you would see . But I am a Pastor , and I can tell by what you write that you have no understanding of how Jesus fulfilled the scriptures . fulfilled the required blood sacrifices of the law . Overcame the evil sin nature of the flesh . You keep Jesus in an unresurected place in you're life , because you do not understand resurrection at all ! You also have no understanding of the tabernacle , the Holy of Holy's , the seven sheddings of blood , the scapegoat , and the accension . Do you even know why the high priest had to sentence Jesus to death ? Do you understand passover ? Where did baptism come from ? Why did blood , and water flow ? Has all things been given to him , or not ? And if all things were given to him , who had them to give ? You quote scriptures like [ if you seen me , then you have seen the father ] , and say that clearly shows that they are separate . It shows how they are one and the same . But you do not understand why Jesus even was here in the first place . The very fact that you do not know any of these answers is why Mymakersdaughter keeps saying you need a pastor . Now , you say you know more than pastors , so itemize the answers to all those very simple questions and prove it ! And this is only a small start to all you need to learn ! I have tried to keep peace with you , because I feel you are sincere in what you write . But you are sincerely wrong in most things . When Jesus healed the leper , he told him to go and offer a sacrifice at the temple ! Do you know why he said to do this ? I am asking everyone at this site to not to answer these questions . My friend Legendary asked exalted himself above pastors , and has no reason to learn from anyone . Heres you're chance Legendary to show off ! Do not try to avoid any one of these questions because the answers are all in the bible , which you said is all you need . If you avoid them , then you will prove how very little you really know , and how you pervert the scriptures through a lack of understanding .Grow up in the Lord , while you still can . You have a very smooth tongue , but so did the serpent . Show this Pastor all you know !
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LegendaryU2K
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I aint gonna answer all those questions lol. Its like this tho, i dont know everything from the bible, infact no man or woman does. Now bare in mind, there is some in this world who make it seem like they know everything, but believe me, they dont. I am positive that i know more then some people, even some preachers or pastors.
Its really impossible to change someone's mind about something that as been taught to them. Like this discussion on whatever or not is Jesus Christ GOD or The Son of GOD, he cant be both. Just like someone can not worship GOD and Satan, you either worship one or the other. So if the bible says that Jesus Christ prayed to GOD, one can only come to mind that he aint GOD, but the son who is praying to his father. This is proof that , there is a sign of separation here, but work together. I dont know of anyone that prays to theirself.
I have been studying the bible for years, and years on my own. Close my door, say a pray to GOD, and ask Jesus for help and then i read. So all i'm doing is asking questions, to see what yall believe in and go from there.
Good times tho.:thumbs_up
Its really impossible to change someone's mind about something that as been taught to them. Like this discussion on whatever or not is Jesus Christ GOD or The Son of GOD, he cant be both. Just like someone can not worship GOD and Satan, you either worship one or the other. So if the bible says that Jesus Christ prayed to GOD, one can only come to mind that he aint GOD, but the son who is praying to his father. This is proof that , there is a sign of separation here, but work together. I dont know of anyone that prays to theirself.
I have been studying the bible for years, and years on my own. Close my door, say a pray to GOD, and ask Jesus for help and then i read. So all i'm doing is asking questions, to see what yall believe in and go from there.
Good times tho.:thumbs_up
LegendaryU2K
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Alright let me try to answer a few of your questions.
" Do you even know why the high priest had to sentence Jesus to death ? "
No, all i know is that Jesus was sent to the earth by GOD, to teach the good news and to let everyone know that the kingdom of GOD is nigh, not to mention "To Save what was lost"
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"Do you understand passover ? "
Um i dont know anything about that, last i heard its something Jews like to engage in.
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" Where did baptism come from "
I dont understand this question, what do you mean where do it come from?
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" Why did blood , and water flow "
Again, i dont know. I know that Jesus Christ was created by Blood and Water:thumbs_up
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" Has all things been given to him , or not ? And if all things were given to him , who had them to give ? "
Alright this is more proof that The Messiah is not GOD. Thanks for rising up this question. Jesus said that All things are given to him by GOD, so this answers both questions.
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" You quote scriptures like [ if you seen me , then you have seen the father , and say that clearly shows that they are separate "
Actually yes you are right, Jesus christ said whosoever seen me as the father, or in connection with this, I and the father are one.
>>>>>> But <<<<<<<<<
Did not The Lamb also say Disciples are also one Jesus said that he was praying to GOD, so that the disciples may become one, just as me and the father are also one, I in them, and they in me, etc.
I quoted this a little off, but its there. The disciples are one , just like Jesus christ and GOD are one, the same. Read it , its there. The disciples are not the same right?
Maybe in spirit, but not in flesh. Just like GOD and Jesus are one, just as Jesus said.
" Do you even know why the high priest had to sentence Jesus to death ? "
No, all i know is that Jesus was sent to the earth by GOD, to teach the good news and to let everyone know that the kingdom of GOD is nigh, not to mention "To Save what was lost"
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"Do you understand passover ? "
Um i dont know anything about that, last i heard its something Jews like to engage in.
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" Where did baptism come from "
I dont understand this question, what do you mean where do it come from?
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" Why did blood , and water flow "
Again, i dont know. I know that Jesus Christ was created by Blood and Water:thumbs_up
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" Has all things been given to him , or not ? And if all things were given to him , who had them to give ? "
Alright this is more proof that The Messiah is not GOD. Thanks for rising up this question. Jesus said that All things are given to him by GOD, so this answers both questions.
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" You quote scriptures like [ if you seen me , then you have seen the father , and say that clearly shows that they are separate "
Actually yes you are right, Jesus christ said whosoever seen me as the father, or in connection with this, I and the father are one.
>>>>>> But <<<<<<<<<
Did not The Lamb also say Disciples are also one Jesus said that he was praying to GOD, so that the disciples may become one, just as me and the father are also one, I in them, and they in me, etc.
I quoted this a little off, but its there. The disciples are one , just like Jesus christ and GOD are one, the same. Read it , its there. The disciples are not the same right?
Maybe in spirit, but not in flesh. Just like GOD and Jesus are one, just as Jesus said.
evangeline
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I guess you don't believe that the Holy Spirit is God either. God, whose name is YHWH (or Jehovah - don't freak out just because the JW's have monopolised this word) is One God made up of three persons perfectly united by equal power, nature and purpose.
Look at Genesis 1:26 where God is saying let US make man in OUR image. (also Genesis 3:22)
There are many clues into the triune nature of God in the Old Testament, but it becomes even clearer in the New Testament and their individual roles become more apparant.
Did you even look at those Old Testament verses and the parallel New Testament verses that I posted before. I think they are extremely compelling proofs of Christs deity (Godness.)
Here are some New Testament verses that speak about the combine ministry of our Triune God. Matthew 28:19; John 14:16&26; Acts 2:33; 2 Corinthians 13:14.
Look at Genesis 1:26 where God is saying let US make man in OUR image. (also Genesis 3:22)
There are many clues into the triune nature of God in the Old Testament, but it becomes even clearer in the New Testament and their individual roles become more apparant.
Did you even look at those Old Testament verses and the parallel New Testament verses that I posted before. I think they are extremely compelling proofs of Christs deity (Godness.)
Here are some New Testament verses that speak about the combine ministry of our Triune God. Matthew 28:19; John 14:16&26; Acts 2:33; 2 Corinthians 13:14.
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buzzboodro
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Avoid "doubtful disputations"
Enough of this already some people refuse to learn having a "natural" understanding of a "spiritual" concept . What is happening here grieves the Holy Spirit because "strife" is the end result . The bible tells us clearly how to deal with someone that refuses correction . There is "truth" out there for those that will humble themselves before it but some will not . God's ways are not mans ways when we lower God to our level to try to understand we "miss the mark" rather "raise" your thinking into the Kingdom of God and "see" for yourself the truth. "Some would teach that are still in need of teaching..."
be careful around these.
Enough of this already some people refuse to learn having a "natural" understanding of a "spiritual" concept . What is happening here grieves the Holy Spirit because "strife" is the end result . The bible tells us clearly how to deal with someone that refuses correction . There is "truth" out there for those that will humble themselves before it but some will not . God's ways are not mans ways when we lower God to our level to try to understand we "miss the mark" rather "raise" your thinking into the Kingdom of God and "see" for yourself the truth. "Some would teach that are still in need of teaching..."
be careful around these.
:boy_hug: BROTHER(sigh)
Doesn't anyone read Isaiah any more? Try reading Isaiah chapters 44, 45 46...
There is only one God, he is Indivisible, alone, our only savior, and full of Glory!
Jesus is That God in flesh... Emanuel God with us!
When phillip asked Jesus to show the apostils the father.. Jesus Himself said "Have I not been with you all this time and you have not known me Phillip? When you have seen me you have seen the Father why do you ask me "show us the father."
If you say Jesus is not God, you are saying "Jesus is not LORD" and thus, you are in increadible error! :thumbs_do
I love you... but wake up legendary sis!
Doesn't anyone read Isaiah any more? Try reading Isaiah chapters 44, 45 46...
There is only one God, he is Indivisible, alone, our only savior, and full of Glory!
Jesus is That God in flesh... Emanuel God with us!
When phillip asked Jesus to show the apostils the father.. Jesus Himself said "Have I not been with you all this time and you have not known me Phillip? When you have seen me you have seen the Father why do you ask me "show us the father."
If you say Jesus is not God, you are saying "Jesus is not LORD" and thus, you are in increadible error! :thumbs_do
I love you... but wake up legendary sis!
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LegendaryU2K
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mymakersdaughter:
You didnt have to remove what you said, i already read it. And after reading it, i just wanted to say, that i already told you and other people that i do not know everything. I know alot from the bible, but not everything. No man or woman knows everything from the bible, even tho some come off like they do, but they dont.
evangeline
The word trinity is not found in none of the bibles. Also the other night, i was talking to some christians, they follow the baptist faith. Anyway, i ask them about do you believe that Jesus Christ Is GOD, and they told me no.
One of them told me, the Trinity is base on , 3 in one, 3 separate, but works together. They also said the same thing i said, " How hard is it for someone to understand that GOD Sent Jesus to the earth? "
We talked about other things, but the point being. Some believe that Jesus is GOD and Some Dont. I have been reading the King james Bible on my own since i was 10 years old, and i have been around all religions and from my understanding, "Jesus is known from the bible, by the Son of GOD".
There is no Direct mention in no bible that, Jesus is GOD, it only says Son of GOD. You say that the trinity is base on how GOD, The Messiah, and the holy Ghost are all one together, but its really impossible for someone to not understand that:
Jesus Christ says, him and his father are one
* We understand this *
Jesus Christ also said: " The disciples are also one, just like me and my father are one, the same "
This is major proof that the way The Lamb talked back in those times can sometimes confused people of this time, but by reading it correctly, you can see that I in them, they in me, we are one. They cant be all the same, but are only one in the spirit sense, because Jesus also said the same thing about the disciples and we all know they aint all the same, only in the spirit sense. I aint gonna quote the scripture where it says this at, not right now anyway.
I dont think anyone is wrong, just different opinions and i'm cool with that. So have fun and weep for better days.
You didnt have to remove what you said, i already read it. And after reading it, i just wanted to say, that i already told you and other people that i do not know everything. I know alot from the bible, but not everything. No man or woman knows everything from the bible, even tho some come off like they do, but they dont.
evangeline
The word trinity is not found in none of the bibles. Also the other night, i was talking to some christians, they follow the baptist faith. Anyway, i ask them about do you believe that Jesus Christ Is GOD, and they told me no.
One of them told me, the Trinity is base on , 3 in one, 3 separate, but works together. They also said the same thing i said, " How hard is it for someone to understand that GOD Sent Jesus to the earth? "
We talked about other things, but the point being. Some believe that Jesus is GOD and Some Dont. I have been reading the King james Bible on my own since i was 10 years old, and i have been around all religions and from my understanding, "Jesus is known from the bible, by the Son of GOD".
There is no Direct mention in no bible that, Jesus is GOD, it only says Son of GOD. You say that the trinity is base on how GOD, The Messiah, and the holy Ghost are all one together, but its really impossible for someone to not understand that:
Jesus Christ says, him and his father are one
* We understand this *
Jesus Christ also said: " The disciples are also one, just like me and my father are one, the same "
This is major proof that the way The Lamb talked back in those times can sometimes confused people of this time, but by reading it correctly, you can see that I in them, they in me, we are one. They cant be all the same, but are only one in the spirit sense, because Jesus also said the same thing about the disciples and we all know they aint all the same, only in the spirit sense. I aint gonna quote the scripture where it says this at, not right now anyway.
I dont think anyone is wrong, just different opinions and i'm cool with that. So have fun and weep for better days.
LegendaryU2K
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NewMan said:
God is with me right now, GOD is with you, GOD is with all of us on talkjesus, and?
NewMan said:
Did not The King of Jews say: Where ever he goeth, GOD is with him? or Whatever The King of Jews says, GOD is speaking for him, GOD put the words in his mouth, We see how GOD is, from The Christ. We see how GOD is, from Christ, because GOD is in him.
Much luv too, i woke up early today at 10:34: am, but thanks for asking.:shade:
mymakersdaughter
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Well I deleted my post because I deal with kids all day long and it is interesting how the 10 yr. olds feel that they are adults and know everything that is right and good for them and that is their folly. I come here and again I am dealing with the attitude I deal with everyday at school from you. You are close minded, young in your understanding of God's word and yet profess to be smarter than most pastors but you do not understand the basics of the Christian Faith. Again, this is why is it vitally important for you to be under the teaching of a Pastor.
I am saddend by your lack of desire to fully know the truth about the Christian Faith and your childlike behavioural attitude towards people encouraging you to study the truth with a Pastor.
I love when my Pastor comes over every once in awhile so I can pick his brains about the Word, to gather info. and look it up, spend time then talking with my husband about what I have learned. My Pastor is a very studied man and I really respect him.
I am saddend by your lack of desire to fully know the truth about the Christian Faith and your childlike behavioural attitude towards people encouraging you to study the truth with a Pastor.
I love when my Pastor comes over every once in awhile so I can pick his brains about the Word, to gather info. and look it up, spend time then talking with my husband about what I have learned. My Pastor is a very studied man and I really respect him.
LegendaryU2K
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mymakersdaughter said:
I have no desire to understand christianity, because i have no religion and neither am i a christian. Let me know when you found the word "Christianity" in the bible tho, and get back to me with scripture, chapter and verse ok.
Nevertheless, if you are sadded by my desire to understand the truth, thats cool. And continue with your pastor if you may do so, i have no desire to gather around people to discuss the good news in and everyday, thats a choice that i made years ago.
If you dont agree with my views on the bible or from this life and from this world, thats cool. You do your thing and i do my thing, and thats that. Remember what i said tho, Dont be so quick to say to someone that they lack understanding of the truth or this person is wrong, because you never know, this person could be right, and "that" person could be wrong.
God Bless The World and Follow the Lamb, weep for the dead and weep for the living.
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