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Shaolin

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I have seen two different question and answer spots where Calvinism was discussed to a certain point.

So, I have a question: Is this a Calvinist-run site?

Calvinism is a false religion, on par with Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons...just another Christian cult that has sucked thousands into its false teachings.

I am asking this, because if this is a Calvinist forum, I probably will not be staying very long.

Blessings.
 
I have seen two different question and answer spots where Calvinism was discussed to a certain point.

So, I have a question: Is this a Calvinist-run site?
I am asking this, because if this is a Calvinist forum, I probably will not be staying very long.

Blessings.
You said:
Calvinism is a false religion, on par with Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons...just another Christian cult that has sucked thousands into its false teachings.

How do you know? sound like to me. You like "regurgitate" milk. For to make a statement like that. You are a person who is "Tossed about every wind and doctrine" and still have mama's milk on your breath, and i can smell it, from my house. Or is that the NANNY's milk you got on your breath. :pensive:

And you have the nerve, to say this, instead of saying :what is a "Calvinist" and where can i get Good information, that i may judge for myself.
Your Quote:
"I am asking this, because if this is a Calvinist forum, I probably will not be staying very long.":sob:

and my response to that is: "really" and many know, i am being kind and gentle. But my Ghetto Vernacular is trying its best to come out the grave.:eyes: LOL
 
There a number of Calvinists on here in varying degrees. (many are not full 5 ponit TULIP Calvinists)
But there are a number of Arminian/Wesleyan and Pentecostals also.
TalkJesus even has a few Antimonians, and Universalists.
There are at least two Atheists that frequent this site.
There are a number who do not believe in the deity of Jesus.
 
You said:
Calvinism is a false religion, on par with Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons...just another Christian cult that has sucked thousands into its false teachings.

How do you know? sound like to me. You like "regurgitate" milk. For to make a statement like that. You are a person who is "Tossed about every wind and doctrine" and still have mama's milk on your breath, and i can smell it, from my house. Or is that the NANNY's milk you got on your breath. :pensive:

And you have the nerve, to say this, instead of saying :what is a "Calvinist" and where can i get Good information, that i may judge for myself.
Your Quote:
"I am asking this, because if this is a Calvinist forum, I probably will not be staying very long.":sob:

and my response to that is: "really" and many know, i am being kind and gentle. But my Ghetto Vernacular is trying its best to come out the grave.:eyes: LOL

Ploughboy...I know because I have studied it for over 15 years. Aside from teaching that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, and God in the flesh, precious little of what calvinism teaches is Scriptural. I can demonstrate that fact any time you want to.

I don't regurgitate milk, but it sounds like you might be. I am not the one tossed around by every wind and doctrine; I have a Ph.D. in theology, I know how to study, and I know how to study the Greek. You are acting like a child in your post.

I don't need to say, what is a calvinist, or where do I get good information on calvinism, because, as I stated, I have studied the false doctrines myself. I have a three hundred page paper on just some of their doctrines and how they twist them - just like the JW's and mormons do.

I'd say your ghetto vernacular made it.

When you want some real education on what the false doctrines of calvinism teaches, and how and why they are false, just pick a subject and we will address it.
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Ploughboy...I know because I have studied it for over 15 years. Aside from teaching that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, and God in the flesh, precious little of what calvinism teaches is Scriptural. I can demonstrate that fact any time you want to.

I don't regurgitate milk, but it sounds like you might be. I am not the one tossed around by every wind and doctrine; I have a Ph.D. in theology, I know how to study, and I know how to study the Greek. You are acting like a child in your post.

I don't need to say, what is a calvinist, or where do I get good information on calvinism, because, as I stated, I have studied the false doctrines myself. I have a three hundred page paper on just some of their doctrines and how they twist them - just like the JW's and mormons do.

I'd say your ghetto vernacular made it.

When you want some real education on what the false doctrines of calvinism teaches, and how and why they are false, just pick a subject and we will address it.
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What form of Theology you have a PH.D in. and what form of Hermeneutics you use. What are you then "Arminian" "semi- pelagian" or full blown , Pelagian? So I can understand your "school of thought". :pensive:
 
Hey all I am definitely into Calvin - his philosophy is so applicable to understanding life ...

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Hey all I am definitely into Calvin - his philosophy is so applicable to understanding life ...

Calvin-2.png
Well i know a lot about his personal life, i have read His "biography" and what a great testimony, I have read in his biography how he study, from a time he was a kid, I have study, Aurelius Augustine his Biography, and a few more of the church fathers, and a lot of the Reformers, and John Calvin really was a "Augustinian" and i considered myself a "Augustinian" and once as my "Avatar" I was known as "The Augustinian Monk":pensive: I have read Calvins "Institutes of The Christian Religion" so many times i have 2 copies one was at home in my library and one at work.
Many do not know when they look at the Constitution of the USA, they are looking at "John CALVIN" at The Puritans, John Calvin, the May Flower, John Calvin, the set up of the Protestant churches, John Calvin, The Evangelistic work, of "John CALVIN", all of his "Seminary Grads" died "Martyrs" taking THE GOSPEL According to JESUS CHRIST to a dying world. Our Sundays School, John CALVIN, A MAN who did not want to teach or preach let alone pastor,

They told Him if He does not help them in teaching and carrying the gospel, with the the gifts that GOD had given unto HIM, When GOD get through YOU! The Story of JONAH is going to seem like a "Fairy Tale"! They scared John Calvin with the threats what GOD was going to to to Him, He said their voices sound like "THUNDER" He said , His Knees started shaking, He thought that GOD was coming down. He agree to teach and preach and lead in judicial services in "Geneva", He broke that town up. I think it was legal to have one wife and two miss-tress. He broke that up, those deacons and leaders did like that. Many came, coming to church thinking they are going to have "Communion" He broke it up, Stood in front of them. Over my dead body he said! LOL:sob: He block the CommunionTable. They shot his house up a lot of times With Those big long rifles that look like canons. And they finally kick him out of "Geneva" and he was glad to leave!:sob: Later on they BEG him to come back, please come back Calvin, please come back.:sob: "Geneva" was on the wild! Finally he said ok, He told the Officials, But this time, we are going to do it my way! and he turn the world around. AND many do not even know it, WHAT that man through the Calling of GOD. And when he died he said bury me in an unmark grave. Because they might Idolize me.

It was Apostle Paul, then came John Calvin. when you look through your translations, you see John Calvin, and William Tyndale, and your democracy at its best, and many do not even know it, and many do not even care, what GOD through Jesus Christ has done through these men. The Great Reformers! "The Reformation Wall" was not Erected for show. If you deny him here you will deny him in Heaven, If you have called him a false teacher here, you will call him a false teacher in Heaven, If you deny him as your brother here, you will deny him as your brother in Heaven! you do not get to HEAVEN and CHANGE your mind!

You must "repent down here". And a few thing we know what GOD Hates is, may it be a he or she.
American Standard Version
"A false witness that uttereth lies, And he that soweth discord among brethren."

And i don't like it when people talk about my Brother "John CALVIN" and let these words be written in the "Halls of Justice" Stamp and Sealed by the Spirit of The LiIVING GOD that i said it in the name of JESUS.

Now how is that, concerning "Theological Thought" by a "ploughboy".

Hey Waggles, you like that? I do, I do,
"biographies"are great, the best teacher, is the recorded lives of these men and how they live. Not what they taught, but how they lived.

LUTHER
CALVIN
HUSS
JOHN FOXES
ANTHANNIUS
POLYCARP
TYNDALE
AUGUSTINE
WHITEFIELD
EDWARDS
G. CAMPELL MORGAN
AND they will lead you to other great men of the faith. it is their lives is the example of following and proclaiming the GOSPEL According to JESUS CHRIST" through fear, pain and sickness, being stone and blood dripping from their faces unto the bible that lies down before them and come back the next day proclaiming the Gospel According to JESUS. What kind of Men were these.

And there was a Theologian back in the 15th century whose name was "John Colet" who's father was a Mayor of London, who's friends were Gangsters, They told the people you better not touch him, you better not touch , let him preach! The Gangsters had to protect the Theologian. For he was telling like it is! He held no punches. over 2000 people was there. that Theologian strip them naked! He told about their sins, and laid them down at the foot of JESUS! Those boys was bad, When they preach, the people wanted to kill them, and come back the next day for more Torture, And by the end of the week, They were screaming what must i do to be saved. i am sorry please for give me! :sob:

When I started reading about those mens over 40 years, This Modern day, dime store cowboy christianity in these United of States America of today, can not even shine their boots. It change me, i knew christianity had to be more. "name it and claim it, tongue talking, skip rope theology, Prophesying turn coat, tithe seed planting, no return commodity. Only thing reaping around here is the pastor, and he making our wives thinking they are queens, and the men has become their rugs, that they can step on anytime and when they ain't happy:sob: no body happy. We are not looking for happiness we want to follow JESUS.

During his ministry in Geneva, Calvin preached over two thousand sermons. Initially he preached twice on Sunday and three times during the week.

What were John Calvin's last words?
When his associates were concerned for his health and encouraged him to rest, he shot back: “What! Would you have the Lord find me idle while he comes?” During the last few months of his life, he slowed down but refused to give up. He was carried to the church to preach his last sermon on February 6, 1564.Apr 25, 2012
 
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Sometimes i think if GOD had not sent those men my way, i do not think i would have made it this far. For many of times when things went bad, i though about them in collected forms, down through the centuries, the suffering of men women and children proclaiming the GOSPEL and how they died many died violent deaths. Being beaten even here in America for Proclaiming The GOSPEL According to JESUS CHRIST" and the next day they would come back and preach again, bleeding, and they still would beat them again, they come back the third day, and sometimes other ministers and pastors would hirer people to beat these "Evangelist" up. Jealousy. Blood would be coming out of their mouths. Have you every been threaten, and told, you better not say another word in the name Jesus, and you could see the Demonic Force in their eyes, you feel it like you know they are going to kill you! LORD have mercy!

I remember when Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., daddy told him "N____R" Your Faith is going to be Tried":eyes: and he didn't lie! When you mount that "Podium" and your knees start shaking! AND YOU HEAR THAT VOICE Behind your head :mad:, you better not say it! And some how you get Courage! LORD have mercy how did i get here! Help me, help me Jesus! :sob: That Devil is real! He is real, and you cannot rebuke him either, You better learn so more greek!:sob:
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What form of Theology you have a PH.D in. and what form of Hermeneutics you use. What are you then "Arminian" "semi- pelagian" or full blown , Pelagian? So I can understand your "school of thought". :pensive:

I have had my Th.D. in NT Theology now for 8 years. My doctoral thesis was on Ancient Near Eastern (ANE) Covenants, because that is what the "NT" is...it isn't a "testament," it is a covenant, which God modeled after ANE covenants. The hermeneutics I use is a COMPLETE Biblical hermeneutic, something that I have never found utilized by those who hold to calvinistic thought. If you want to know what that entails, here is a link...

Biblical Principles of Interpretation, and why we need to Utilize them. (Part 1)

It is broken down into 8 parts, because it is basically a book and wouldn't fit the blog frame.

I am neither arminian, semi-pelagian, nor full pelagian - I take what Scripture says, not what the Reformers nor ancient counsels claimed...simply because if you learn church history, from about 313-1700 most doctrine came out of text-proofing rather than what Scripture actually states. In case you don't know what proof texting is, it is taking a text out of its context and re-interpreting it to say what you want it to say in order to give fake evidence for whatever doctrine they were trying to make sound legitimate.

My school of thought is simple, the angel told Daniel in Dan. 12:4 that knowledge of the Scriptures would increase in the last days. Until the early 1900's most scholars and theologians believed that meant in increase of scientific knowledge leading to planes, cars, TV, cell phones, etc. However, that was before we re-discovered the ANE covenants and that all of the covenants in the Bible that God entered into with human beings, were patterned directly after ANE covenants and their principles of operation.

The Bible is a series of covenants, and like modern day contracts, they are self interpreting...the problem is, they were not re-discovered until after the Reformation. The covenant gives boundaries to our interpretation process, and since calvin didn't have the benefit of that knowledge or understanding, practically everything that he wrote was wrong to one degree or another (not to mention that we have no historical data telling us that he was ever saved...and since most of his writings are full of religiosity rather then Spirit-led words, we can pretty much say that he wasn't saved). God had his man come on the scene (Luther) and so the devil had to find someone to throw things off again...and the man he found was calvin.

My school of thought is this: The NT is not a testament, it is a covenant; it is to be read and interpreted as a covenant document, not a testament. It follows the principles of operation of ANE covenant, because that is what it is. And before you ask, no...I am not the only one who sees and understands this. There are a growing number of scholars and other theologians who have acknowledged that unless you know and understand ANE covenants and their principles of operation, you will misinterpret a great many passages of the NT Scriptures, particularly those which deal with doctrinal statements.

Blessings
 
Hey all I am definitely into Calvin - his philosophy is so applicable to understanding life ...

Calvin-2.png

Funny! His philosophy came from seducing spirits, and are really not applicable to anything having to do with truth.

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Well i know a lot about his personal life, i have read His "biography" and what a great testimony, I have read in his biography how he study, from a time he was a kid,

Really? What biography? Particularly since he was never really a Christian. He attended catholic mass because he family would have been frowned upon by society if he didn't. As a young adult, he was schooling to be a lawyer, and was never interested in spiritual things until Luther started the Reformation...then all of the sudden he got interested and started reading his Bible.

It sounds like the biography you read came from someone else trying to make him sound like another Apostle Paul...but he was anything but that. He couldn't even get Paul right...reading into the text his own struggles against sin, just as Luther messed things up somewhat when he read his struggle with the catholic church stuff into Paul's writings.

But, I am not here to argue with anyone. Truth seekers will seek the truth and will listen; while bias defenders will only defend their biases.

I started this thread to see what the people in charge would say in answer...but to date I have not received an answer.
 
Sometimes i think if GOD had not sent those men my way, i do not think i would have made it this far. For many of times when things went bad, i though about them in collected forms, down through the centuries, the suffering of men women and children proclaiming the GOSPEL and how they died many died violent deaths. Being beaten even here in America for Proclaiming The GOSPEL According to JESUS CHRIST" and the next day they would come back and preach again, bleeding, and they still would beat them again, they come back the third day, and sometimes other ministers and pastors would hirer people to beat these "Evangelist" up. Jealousy. Blood would be coming out of their mouths. Have you every been threaten, and told, you better not say another word in the name Jesus, and you could see the Demonic Force in their eyes, you feel it like you know they are going to kill you! LORD have mercy!

I remember when Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., daddy told him "N____R" Your Faith is going to be Tried":eyes: and he didn't lie! When you mount that "Podium" and your knees start shaking! AND YOU HEAR THAT VOICE Behind your head :mad:, you better not say it! And some how you get Courage! LORD have mercy how did i get here! Help me, help me Jesus! :sob: That Devil is real! He is real, and you cannot rebuke him either, You better learn so more greek!:sob:
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I don't know exactly who you were talking to...but if you can't rebuke the devil in Jesus' name, then you are not in Christ. I take it by your last comment that you don't know any Greek...and yet I think I read that you claim to be a preacher? Wow...I guess that's all that needs to be said.

One of the things that started me looking into calvin as a young man, was the fact that I read why he claimed that the gifts of the Spirit are not in operation today, particularly speaking in tongues. What I found was particularly interesting: he never manifested any of the gifts of the Spirit (which is no surprise, since unregenerate people not walking with God don't have His Spirit), nor did he ever speak in tongues - yet he claimed to have been baptized by the Spirit. He said that since HE didn't have any of the gifts of the Spirit (because he was full of pride in himself, just like his spiritual daddy), then God must not be doing them anymore...thus came the false doctrine, straight out of calvinism, that the spiritual gifts died out with the apostles. And that was just the tip of the ice burg...

But, that's enough about him. I will not entertain any further dialogue about calvin, that isn't what I started this thread for...

Blessings.
 
Really? What biography? Particularly since he was never really a Christian. He attended catholic mass because he family would have been frowned upon by society if he didn't. As a young adult, he was schooling to be a lawyer, and was never interested in spiritual things until Luther started the Reformation...then all of the sudden he got interested and started reading his Bible.

It sounds like the biography you read came from someone else trying to make him sound like another Apostle Paul...but he was anything but that. He couldn't even get Paul right...reading into the text his own struggles against sin, just as Luther messed things up somewhat when he read his struggle with the catholic church stuff into Paul's writings.

But, I am not here to argue with anyone. Truth seekers will seek the truth and will listen; while bias defenders will only defend their biases.

I started this thread to see what the people in charge would say in answer...but to date I have not received an answer.
If one have "The TRUTH" why would he seek one? Thank you Jesus, for you have delivery us "ALL" from Fools! :pensive:
NASB 1977
The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they have committed abominable deeds; There is no one who does good.
 
I started this thread to see what the people in charge would say in answer...but to date I have not received an answer.
Dear Member Shaolin,
Have you read the site's Statement of Faith yet?
If not the link to it is located at the bottom of every page.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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If one have "The TRUTH" why would he seek one?

True...but who said anything about that?

Thank you Jesus, for you have delivery us "ALL" from Fools!

Where in Scripture do you find that God has delivered us all from fools?

The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they have committed abominable deeds; There is no one who does good.

Absolutely true...the fool says there is not God...the fool has committed abominable deeds...there is no one fool who does good...but what's your point?

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True...but who said anything about that?



Where in Scripture do you find that God has delivered us all from fools?

Psalm 14 NASB 1977

Absolutely true...the fool says there is not God...the fool has committed abominable deeds...there is no one fool who does good...but what's your point?

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And I am one of the Biggest Fool you will every find! Hallelujah! For I am A FOOL for JESUS! Yes i am! in all Caps!
 
Dear @Shaolin,
In truth I hadn't heard of ANE Covenants until you mentioned it. I'll have to look into it, and with prayer try to digest it in order to come to some understanding of it. Of course it won't affect how I come to understand the Word of God by the Holy Spirit. :) Now for some quick thoughts on this.

I guess if contract it is, then it is one based upon love. Which makes it to me relational. God as the Father, and Man as His Son.
Which is where Jesus comes in. He's the door/binding by which we can enter, in order to establish this relationship/contract. Otherwise there is
no relationship, though there is interaction, but still no contract.

The concept of contract is more evident to the OT, but it too is also intertwined with relational instances that at times affected said contracts. I also believe that the relationship part predates the existence of contract. Same in the NT, but with a slight difference. One like in the OT, one is chosen, and two the Contract can be irrevocable broken but only by the grieving of the Holy Spirit.

My real issue with the Contract based understanding is that it has a tendency of making the relationship with God more impersonal, Pharisee like. Closer to a Master, Servant, rather then Father, Son relationship. The former however, appeared more in line with OT, then NT which I'm sure is not what was desired by God and proved by their rejection of the personal Him and acceptance of a man king instead.

Anyway, thank-you for sharing some of your thoughts on the subject.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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ANE Covenants [Ancient Near Eastern}. I say, does it really matter. Why do i say that? answer below.:eyes:

For Salvation is of "GOD" and HE could not "Swear' by any other. In others words, Salvation is not of Mankind neither is man, The AUTHOR. And Our FATHER is beyond Power, He is GOD and HIS plan has not skip a Beat, before The FOUNDATION of The WORLDS and This is all about "HIS SON" in whom HE IS well please. It is all about His SON and not us. And it is, Beyond The Finite mind and wrap up completely In" The MIND of GOD" For HE is CREATING A "GIFT" for HIS SON! That will be "MANIFESTED" Throughout ETERNITY" There is nothing more or Less' Nothing hidden, it is About HIS SON! SHOWING ALL ETERNITY How MUCH HE LOVES HIM! AND this Truth is plainly showed and Reveal through Jesus, The Christ of GOD, Even wrap up in The CANON of SCRIPTURE even The 66 Books. Reveal to whom He please. :pensive: For it is a loving "Grace" that He have, given to some and not many.:pensive: And I will Proclaim: WE do not care if you have read all of the "Religious BOOKS in The UNIVERSE" both hidden or on Display. For it does not matter! He has reveal this TRUTH to us.

So I say, given it your best shot, and read , discover on Until Heavens Throne!:pensive: For Our GOD will Not Have Us ignorant, for over 2,000 years. For we are not the people of "Colosse" For we are the People of GOD a Chosen a Royal a Sanctified generation.:pensive:

And I will Not :Recant.:pensive: and you may call me a "Heretic" if you please. But you cannot change who we are in "GOD"! And I am, Shaking my Head Snapping my Finger and and clapping my Hands and giving Him the Praise. WOOOO<<<<Hallelujah! Yes sir.
 
@Shaolin

Greetings,

So, I have a question: Is this a Calvinist-run site?

No... it is not.

and ... i do not really like calvinist stuff. Some Members are tolerated but that does not mean that calvinism is OK.

Some 'strong' calvinists, in the past, have been shown the door, when getting too pushy.

Presently there is one member here who is stretching their welcome out and may, one day, be asked to leave.


Calvinism is not acceptable teaching here at TalkJesus


Bless you ....><>
 
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