Can a born again Christian lose their salvation?

[newandlivingway]

Hello Dutchchristian,

I agree with these verses. It is great to meet someone else that believes the truth about Hebrews 10: 26, 27, 28, 29!!! I would love to talk more on this topic if you would like. Just let me know

 

[newandlivingway]

ByGraceAlone,

I would like to address one of your statements from your post. You will see that I do not agree with what you believe that once we are saved, we are always saved. But I would like to address your comment that
" eternal life as promised by faith in Jesus' work on the cross does not hinge upon this sanctification and holiness. " The process of getting to heaven is all about sanctification and holiness. God will accept NO LESS than holiness! God despises sin!

(Col 1:22) In the body of his (Jesus) flesh through death ( sacrifice on cross), to present you HOLY AND UNBLAMEABLE and unreproveable in his sight:

(Eph 5:25) Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and GAVE HIMSELF FOR IT ( death on cross);

(Eph 5:26) That he might sanctify (to be made Holy) and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

(Eph 5:27) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be HOLY AND WIHOUT BLEMISH.

If you would care to talk on this topic further, please let me know. Thank you

 

[lordjesuschrist]

There is a difference between knowledge in the LORD ( Pharisees and their lineage) and believing in the LORD ( JESUS).



Grace and peace,

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

Ephesians 2:4~6
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Believers were dead,buried, raised and seated with Christ 2000 years ago.


Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Who are we to question his workmanship or how his workmanship will manifest in each one of us?

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Some seem to be saying God is not always able to complete what he began.

 

[lordjesuschrist]

Many will stay worried on what they can't control and have no authority over.

LUKE 17:33
Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it.


Love of CHRIST to all.
AGAPE

 

[Rev T.S.Perkins]

I was reading about the potter and the clay this morning and and the scriptures refer to the clay becoming marred as it was being worked by the potter .So the potter refashions it to a vessel that again is pleasing to the master potter... God is the potter ,we are the clay ..when i forgot who i was in Christ for a while I was brought back in in to the fold by love and not condemnation ..still i felt inadiquite to be used .i felt craked and worthless as a vessel..BUT GOD has been refashioning me to a new vessel that once again is pleasing to Him ....i wanted to add this because as we judge wheither or not someone is lost or has lost salvation remebr this ..ONLY GOD knows the hearts of men and what the devil ment for bad God allowed for His good and glory.. JUDGE NOT LEAST YOU BE JUDGED....it was those that loved me and prayed for me that brought me back not the ones telling me how far i was from God or what i had lost.....REV

 

[moznpeg]

Indeed my sister, but remember that Jesus' blood does not miss it's mark and Jesus didn't deceive us when He said "eternity". If you go back and "DILIGENTLY" seek out what our Savior is saying on the scripture you noted, and, ask for the guidance of the Holy Spirit to teach you, you'll see that no where does it say that we can lose our salvation. Didn't Judas confess Jesus as Lord? He was condemned. Didn't Peter deny Jesus? The Lord used him in mighty ways to bring the Gospel message! Have you ever heard of backsliding? I did it for 25 years but it got harder to sin because God never let me forget who I was in Him. I did all my sinning after receiving the truth on purpose. Jesus brought me back in a mighty way that would blow your mind and I am so grateful of it (PRISON).
Diligently seek God... diligently!

Praise the Lord God Almighty
M

 

[lordjesuschrist]

AMEN!
All will have their experience as we are all a part of the ONE BODY.
May we all read the WORD with a heart of LOVE and who JESUS is will make more sense.

BLESSED ARE THE PURE AT HEART FOR THEY WILL SEE GOD.

No one can come to the FATHER unless HE draws.

Trials and tribulations are from the need for us to un-learn what we were taught.
We all end up in various " prisons" because of false teachings that make us believe we are doing what we are not.

False gospels are very big and everywhere.

For example, and this question is for everyone.

Who is the first sinner?
Can you be influenced to sin?
Can you really losing something that was never yours?

Think about this, and learn who the devil and his followers tried to make us be, but GOD took us out.
There is no backsliding if a person didn't know where they were.
It's just standing in place or going forward slower than our normal place.

Grace and peace to all.

 

[faithfulservant]

ByGraceAlone,

I would like to address one of your statements from your post. You will see that I do not agree with what you believe that once we are saved, we are always saved. But I would like to address your comment that
" eternal life as promised by faith in Jesus' work on the cross does not hinge upon this sanctification and holiness. " The process of getting to heaven is all about sanctification and holiness. God will accept NO LESS than holiness! God despises sin!

(Col 1:22) In the body of his (Jesus) flesh through death ( sacrifice on cross), to present you HOLY AND UNBLAMEABLE and unreproveable in his sight:

(Eph 5:25) Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and GAVE HIMSELF FOR IT ( death on cross);

(Eph 5:26) That he might sanctify (to be made Holy) and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

(Eph 5:27) That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be HOLY AND WIHOUT BLEMISH.

If you would care to talk on this topic further, please let me know. Thank you

The only righteousness we have right now is Jesus' righteousness. We wear it like a robe. This means when Father God looks upon us, He sees that we, by faith, have accepted what His Son did. You cannot work your way into eternal life in the heavenlies with Father God. That only comes through what Jesus did on the cross.

The whole point of this "positional" holiness is that we may then go boldly to the throne. When we have access to God, we can spend time with Him and sup! We sit down with the LORD every day in prayer. He does a sanctifying work in us with His Holy Spirit and His Word.

Otherwise, how could you even dare to approach the throne? We are filthy in our sin. If we say we have no sin, we're only lying to ourselves. And while we have this sin, we have more grace! And it's this grace that helps us cling tightly to the faith in what Jesus did at the cross, and not upon what we can do in our flesh.

We will always have some sin in our body until we meet Him and will be like Him when He transforms us into glorified bodies.

 

[lioncub]

I was recently at a church and the pastor told me that we as born again believers in Christ can lose our salvation if we are saved but then decide to "reject the Holy Spirit" and also if we are walking with our Savior Jesus but then sin, and then die while sinning, he says that we can be lost for eternity and we would be rejected by Jesus on judgement day. What's up with that?

He's right !

 

[Whitestone]

I was recently at a church and the pastor told me that we as born again believers in Christ can lose our salvation if we are saved but then decide to "reject the Holy Spirit" and also if we are walking with our Savior Jesus but then sin, and then die while sinning, he says that we can be lost for eternity and we would be rejected by Jesus on judgement day. What's up with that?

I have no intent to turn back to sin, so I'm not going to lose my salvation. But there was a time that had a died prior to sanctifying myself in righteousness... I shudder to think how stupid I was

Your teacher spoke properly. If you kept notes I'm sure he would have provided you the scriptures as well. I'm sure some folks here will too.

If you love Jesus but haven't made His Righteous Holy Spirit your Life inside of your temple body that He bought with the dear price of His shed blood, then yes, there is no more sacrifice for sin. His blood is then under our feet trampled. Now is the time to repent and ask Him to fill us with His righteous Holy Spirit. He will gladly rush in and purify us and keep us from evil, but only if we let Him.

Peace

 

[ForumAddict]

So this is a lie? ...

In whom you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after you believed, you were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise,

 

[Whitestone]

So this is a lie? ...

In whom you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after you believed, you were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise,

Why do you think God would lie? What a bizarre statement!

If I don't continue in trust and belief in Him, as this vers says, it doesn't make God a liar. It only makes me a hypocrite falling away to destruction.

This is no secret;

(Heb 6:4)
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
(Heb 6:5)
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
(Heb 6:6)
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

 

[jari]

Why do you think God would lie? What a bizarre statement!

If I don't continue in trust and belief in Him, as this vers says, it doesn't make God a liar. It only makes me a hypocrite falling away to destruction.

This is no secret;

(Heb 6:4)
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
(Heb 6:5)
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
(Heb 6:6)
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

these verses are so often posted to say one could lose their salvation but I believe it's referring to those falling away who were not born again. by recrucifying Son of God to them self afresh they are showing that Jesus sacrafice wasn't enough for them. but are continuing with the sacrafice tradition like jews are commanded to do in the law (and put him to "open shame"). the audience in hebrews is said to be jews..

 

[Whitestone]

these verses are so often posted to say one could lose their salvation but I believe it's referring to those falling away who were not born again. by recrucifying Son of God to them self afresh they are showing that Jesus sacrafice wasn't enough for them. but are continuing with the sacrafice tradition like jews are commanded to do in the law (and put him to "open shame"). the audience in hebrews is said to be jews..

Quite a private interpretation you have there. Too bad it has no relationship to what is being said in scriptures. All it does is deny scriptures, which are clear as a bell as spoken. That is why I provided the scriptures instead of giving my own private "idea" which would be worthless.

 

[jari]

Quite a private interpretation you have there. Too bad it has no relationship to what is being said in scriptures. All it does is deny scriptures, which are clear as a bell as spoken. That is why I provided the scriptures instead of giving my own private "idea" which would be worthless.

scripture is always subject to interpreation and i think hebrews as whole supports this interpreation which i posted.

for example what is said in heb 6 is futher discussed in here:

Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

these are people who have trodden underfoot son of God and count His blood of coveant unholy , they are also doing contrary to spirit of grace by their law based jewish traditions.

seems to me these people never believe in power of Jesus blood and in God's grace given to us by God.

 

[Whitestone]

scripture is always subject to interpreation and i think hebrews as whole supports this interpreation which i posted.

for example what is said in heb 6 is futher discussed in here:

Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

these are people who have trodden underfoot son of God and count His blood of coveant unholy , they are also doing contrary to spirit of grace by their law based jewish traditions.

seems to me these people never believe in power of Jesus blood and in God's grace given to us by God.

Those scriptures quite specifically are NOT referring to someone who "never believe in Jesus".

It can include jewish traditions, yes. It can include any form of "turning back to their own vomit" from which they had previously "been sanctified".

It all has to do with turning back to sin.

Only those who were "previously sanctified" as it plainly says, can "crucify Him afresh". Not someone who never was sanctified in the first place. This is pretty simple basic Christianity 101. I'm totally surprised you don't see it as clearly as the Lord presents it. Are you pushing a doctrine of theology? Because you are light years from honoring what scriptures say here Jari.

I hope this helps.

 

[jari]

Those scriptures quite specifically are NOT referring to someone who "never believe in Jesus".

i didnt say that. and what is christianity to you may not be christianity to me so if your saying Jesus never forgives you any sins that's fine but I believe He forgives me all sins.
that being said its understandable that you see topic in hebrews as problem with sin but I don't think hebrews anywhere states that. believing more to Grace (God's forgiveness) is what hebrews is about, to me. and the problem hebrews was addressing with the jews was that they didn't really believe in the forgiveness part though they found something powerful from Jesus...


I think we can see from these verses that hebrews wasnt warning about trusting too much on God's forgiveness but the contrary hebrews is precisely talking about trusting in God's full forgiveness:

Heb 10:10-17 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. (11) And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: (12) But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; (13) From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. (14) For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. (15) Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, (16) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; (17) And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

It's the Jesus sacrafice that sanctifies as well forgives all sins like above scripture says.

 

[Whitestone]

i didnt say that. and what is christianity to you may not be christianity to me so if your saying Jesus never forgives you any sins that's fine but I believe He forgives me all sins.
that being said its understandable that you see topic in hebrews as problem with sin but I don't think hebrews anywhere states that. believing more to Grace (God's forgiveness) is what hebrews is about, to me. and the problem hebrews was addressing with the jews was that they didn't really believe in the forgiveness part though they found something powerful from Jesus...


I think we can see from these verses that hebrews wasnt warning about trusting too much on God's forgiveness but the contrary hebrews is precisely talking about trusting in God's full forgiveness:

Heb 10:10-17 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. (11) And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: (12) But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; (13) From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. (14) For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. (15) Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, (16) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; (17) And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

It's the Jesus sacrafice that sanctifies as well forgives all sins like above scripture says.

This thread isn't about what God does. It is about what happens to people who have come to Jesus in a sacrificial relationship, THEN turn back to sin, crucifying Jesus afresh.
The question is about whether "once saved always saved" is true.

As scriptures clearly states, people who fall away, crucifying the Lord afresh in their falling away, their remains no more sacrifice for them. So even though they were saved, they aborted the salvation of God by turning back to sin.

This is the way it is.
It isn't a debate.
Let God be true and every man a liar.
You need to pay attention to the word and not try to make it apply only to jews in the law or some other circular sidestepping. It is very un-christian like for you to ignore The Word of God and to ignore wise council.

Jari... it is becoming evident you have an ulterior motive. Is your life still filled with sin? Is that why you attempt to convince others that you have no concerns for your salvation because you were saved and now you continue in sin without paying for it? Is that what is going on? You have a very strange manner with the Word. Very suspect. This is a disturbing approach to the Word of God. If you've been on forums before, this has been told you before I can imagine, yet you fight against the obvious Word of God. I can't be involved in such rejection.
I can only council you to repent of your sins and set yourself apart to believing the Word of God and letting Christ come into you and make you sinless and Holy. Wouldn't you like that?

I'll continue this in PM if you want to know how to be sold out to Jesus without sin in your life, not in public here.

Peace

 

[jari]

whitestone i don't know do you realize this or not but your leaning on your interpreation of scriptures and on your understanding and acting like it's 100% truth because you see it as such. Now I tried to explains my view and if you reject it ok but know that your really just leaning to your understanding and theology. if you wish to treat that knowledge you have as God given truth then fine but I'm sticking with my interepreation because it makes most sense to me but not only that it lines up with rest of the scripture.
so unless someone would point out from the scripture that i am wrong why would I listen to your way of life theories , i can see your not even following what I said save to correct it anyhow via scripture.

so please don't post any more remarks about what you think of me ok? Let's talk about scripture if you wish. these remarks and thoughts you have about me serve really no rightful purpose...