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Can A Christian Lose Their Salvation?

God does not take our responsibility Away From Us

It was Jesus who died for us "once" on the cross and then He Resurrected. He now leaves the option to keep sinning or follow Hin in Holiness and obedience.

That is a person's choice.

You can choose life or death - Heaven or hell. God never chooses for us - He expects us to choose correctly.

If you believe God gives you a free license to sin after you are truly saved, then all you have to do is read Scriptures like:

Hebrews 12:14 (KJV) Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

1 Thessalonians 4:7 (KJV) For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

1 Peter 4:17-18 (KJV) For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

And if you are truly saved, no person could say God would let them go to Heaven no matter what they do - because - Holiness and righteousness has no part nor place with sin.

The people that say you must sin after you have truly been saved is calling God a liar. The scripture says plainly:

2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV)
<SUP>17 </SUP>Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

No honest person could read the above scriptures and believe "once saved always saved.

We are not saved in order to sin - we are saved from sin so we are the righteousness of God through Christ Jesus.



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Hebrews 12:14, Follow after peace with all men: The
words Follow after translate a Greek word meaning to pursue, as
in a chase or battle. Paul frequently uses the word,
as "Follow after love" (1 Cor. 14:1). Peace, in a world like
this, and especially peace with all men, will not just come our
way. it must be pursued by us. We may well remember that the
Greek word is used often to denote persecution, in which the
persecuted were followed, hunted, sought out. Let us examine
ourselves as to whether we are thus diligently seeking peace with
all men.
And the sanctification without which no man shall see the
Lord. Here is at once an excuse for all "holiness" conventions
and camp meetings that ever took place! Remembering that this
whole verse is governed by the word "follow" in the sense of
"pursue," we find, Follow on after ... the sanctification
(_hagiasmos)--This word is used ten times in the New Testament,
all but once by Paul; the other use, 1 Peter 1:2, "sanctification
of the Spirit," even emphasizing and defining its other
occurrences.
* Many earnest believers are very poorly instructed as to
scriptural "sanctification."
Let us note:
1. All those who are in Christ are "sanctified." This is
seen from 1 Cor. 1:2, "the Church of God which is at Corinth,
even them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus." This cannot refer
to their "experience," for we see from Ch. 3:1-3 that they were
"babes" and "carnal." But they were no longer in Adam, but in the
Second Man, Christ, and 2 Cor. 5:17 was true of them--they were
"new creatures."
2. Sanctification in Hebrews has this meaning, separated to
God. It does not refer to our experience or feelings. "We have
been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ
once for all" (10:10). It was brought about through the blood of
Christ--Who, "that He might sanctify the people through His own
blood, suffered without the gate" (13:12). Christ's shed blood is
called "the blood of the covenant wherewith one was sanctified."
In Ch. 10:29, we see that this separation to God could wholly be
abandoned by apostasy--by "counting the blood a 'common thing.'"
In Ch. 12:14 we see that this separation to God, accomplished by
the blood shed for us, and trusted in, was to be persisted in,
not apostatized from.
3. In 1 Thess. 5:23 we read, "And the God of peace Himself
sanctify you wholly." This refers to the work of the Holy Spirit
in a believer, by which the life and walk become separated and
devoted to God. It is this passage that "Holiness" people
constantly emphasize, and rightly! But we must not be ignorant of
that sanctification which is true of all believers, of all "in
Christ," that of 1 Cor. 1:2. Nor must we be intolerant of degrees
of devotion short of 1 Thess. 5:23. Let us not, also, base our
assurance of "holiness" upon some "experience" we have had, but
rather upon the fact that all in Christ were sanctified (as said
in paragraph No. 2), and have the Holy Spirit, and are asked to
yield to Him! to be "filled" by Him!
Howbeit, in 1 Corinthians 1:30, it is used in its
fundamental sense, which must be attended to by all who would
receive, the gospel as given by God: "Of Him (God) are ye who are
in Christ Jesus, Who was made unto us wisdom from God: (which
included three things:) righteousness and sanctification, and
redemption.
We must remember our Lord's prayer in John 17:19: "For their
sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be
sanctified in truth." It is evident that our Lord's
"Sanctifying" Himself could not signify any moral or spiritual
change in Himself, but rather a setting Himself apart to the task
that was before His mind, even the Procuring of our being
separated, handed over, to God, through Christ's sacrifice. God
made Christ "to be sin on our behalf; that we might become the
righteousness of God in Him." In Christ we have been cut off (at
the Cross) from the world, and belong in Heaven! He said, "They
are not of the world, even as I am not of the world."
Again, let us observe, that "sanctification" or holiness in
such texts as Romans 6:19, 22; 1 Thessalonians 4:3, 4, 7; 1
Timothy 2:15, does not refer to making the believer any more a
"new creature" than when he first believed, when he was
"sanctified in Christ Jesus." But it does refer to that result of
surrender to the operation of the indwelling Spirit by which He
takes charge of our conscious faculties. It is written to
believers, "Ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be
the Spirit of God dwelleth in you." For upon and in connection
with this marvelous operation called "sanctification of the
Spirit" (2 Thess. 2:13), the Spirit Himself indwells those
"created in Christ Jesus" (Eph. 2:10). This "sanctification of
the Spirit" refers to the whole work of the Holy Spirit in us, in
accordance with the fact that we died with Christ, and are now in
the Risen Christ (Rom. 6:8-11). it is the "renewing" referred to
in such passages in Romans 12:2; Ephesians 4:23; Colossians 3:10;
Titus 3:5. It is accomplished by the Spirit through the Word,
Ephesians 5:26: "That He might sanctify it (the Church, vs. 25),
having cleansed it by the washing of water with the Word."
"Sanctification" in this aspect becomes a Conscious state in the
believer, a complete change in our conscious faculties, as is
described in Philippians 4:7: "The peace of God, which passeth
all understanding, shall guard your hearts and your thoughts in
Christ Jesus"; or Colossians 3:17: "Whatsoever ye do, in word or
in deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to
God the Father through Him."
* While on the one hand we must guard against any thought
that the flesh is changed, or that our bodies are to be trusted;
yet, on the other hand, we must either accept the fact that God
takes complete charge of us, or deny these, His plain words, and
such testimonies as Paul's: "To me to live is Christ." How sane
is his word, also: "For I know nothing against myself; yet am I
not hereby justified; but He that judgeth me is the Lord."
The "holiness" people (dear Saints, and none of them
modernists!) Make "a clean heart," which as we have seen, is
taught in the N.T. (1 Tim. 1:5; Acts 15:8-9), to be "eradication
of the sinful principle from _the _flesh"--which is tragic error.
The "flesh" will be with us till we get our new bodies. Paul
could have "walked after the flesh," for the flesh was present
with him; but he did not! instead, he says, "Thanks be unto God,
who always leadeth us in triumph in Christ" (2 Cor. 2:14).
--Sanctification, without which no man shall see the Lord:
We are made to tremble (as we ought to tremble) many times in
this book of Hebrews; and here again. Shall we say that none but
those who have followed on unto entire control by the Spirit of
God shall see the Lord? No, for although this warning is most
solemn, connected as it is with the exhortation to look carefully
(vs. 15) concerning some who might come eternally short of
salvation, yet it must be connected with those Scriptures which
reveal the infinite reach of Divine grace! As for example, the
passage about the incestuous man of 1 Corinthians 5; or those of
1 Corinthians 11 who, partaking of the Lord's Supper in
carelessness or ignorance, had been chastened unto physical
illness and even death (1 Cor. 11:30), that they might not "be
condemned with the world"! (vs. 32).
Yet on the other hand, we must not miss the truth that there
is that sanctification which all true Saints yearn after, and in
their measure "pursue." John in his first epistle says,
"Whosoever is begotten of God doth not practice sin, because His
(God's) seed abideth in Him; and he cannot practice sin, because
he is begotten of God."
Again, in Hebrews 12:14, do not confuse the sanctification
with our pursuing it. God does not say that no man shall see the
Lord except those who have pursued sanctification (do we not all
feel that we have pursued it too feebly?) But He does say that no
man without that sanctification shall see the Lord.
Verses 15, 16: looking carefully lest there be any man that
falleth short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness
springing up trouble you, and thereby the many be defiled; lest
there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one
mess of meat sold his own birthright. These verses are directed
to all the Assembly, but especially to those, as in Chapter
13:17, who "had the rule over them," and "watched in behalf of their souls."
These were to watch for four kinds of troublers:
1. Lest (there should be) any man that falleth short of the
grace of God.
2. Lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you.
3. Lest (there should be) any fornicator.
4. Lest there be any profane person.
On reading this, our hearts sink within us as we contemplate
the churches today, for who is ready to observe these so
searching directions of the holy apostle?
1. First, then, Lest there be any man among professed
believers that really was falling short of or (literally in the
Greek) falling back from the grace of God. What sort of person is
this, and how does he fall short of the grace of God? Westcott
insists, "The construction marks a falling back from that with
which some connection exists, implying a moral separation. The
present participle describes a continuous state and not a single
defection." This agrees with that fatal "falling away" of Chapter
6:6--after "tasting." Is it not also suggested in Paul's plea in
2 Corinthians 6:1: "And working together with God we entreat also
that ye receive not the grace of God in vain"--through neglect or
sloth falling back from it? Chrysostom says, "The image is taken
from a company of travelers, one of whom lags behind, and so
never reaches the end of the long and laborious journey."
We remember how the rocky-ground hearers of our Lord's
parable at first eagerly responded. The seed sprang immediately
up, but there was little soil and unbroken rock beneath; and the
Lord said, "These have no root, who for awhile believe, and in
time of temptation fall away" (Lk. 8:13). How solemn is the use
of this word "fall" in the book of Hebrews! First, Chapter 3:12,
"Take heed, brethren, lest haply there shall be in any one of you
an evil heart of unbelief, in falling away from the Living God."
Then Chapter 6:6: "tasting," and then "falling away"--impossible
to "renew," because "rejected" of God!
Then Chapter 4:11 "Give diligence to enter into that rest,
that no man fall after the same example of disobedience."
Next, Chapter 10:31, "It is a fearful thing to fall into the
hands of the Living God"!
 
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I do not believe God gives you a free license to sin.No I do not believe we can walk in sin.But I believe once saved always saved.I am not saying you must sin.


<DIR>Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?(Verse 2: Such ones as we, who died to sin! how shall we any longer be living in it?) Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him,that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.Rom 6:18Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. (How shall those whose relationship to sin has been broken by their dying, be still, as once, living in sin?” The answer to this can only be, It is an impossibility. In this second verse, therefore, the apostle is not making a plea to Christians not to live unto sin; but asking how they who died to sin could go on living in it. It is as if one would say, Those who died in New York City, shall they still be walking the streets of New York City?)This does not mean that all Christians have discovered, or walk in, the path of victory over sin; for in this second verse Paul is answering directly the bald bold insinuation of verse 1—that grace abounding over sin warrants and enables one believing that doctrine to go right on in his old life! We know from other Scriptures the impossibility of this: “Whosoever is born of God doth not
practise sin, because His [God’s] seed abideth in him, and he is not able to practise sin, because he is begotten of God.



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It was Jesus who died for us "once" on the cross and then He Resurrected. He now leaves the option to keep sinning or follow Hin in Holiness and obedience.

That is a person's choice.

This is true in a way yet false in another. While a person is free to choose good and evil, he will only, out of necessity, choose evil. As it is said, the will will never will that which it cannot will. The unregenerate man is spiritually dead and is a slave to sin. It knows no other master. Out of this spiritual deadness, sin is the only thing the will will ever choose. It is out of compulsion for there really is no other choice despite the "good" option staring him right in the face. He simply will not choose it.

You can choose life or death - Heaven or hell. God never chooses for us - He expects us to choose correctly.

And the above is why we are held accountable when we choose evil. It may be out of compulsion but it does not alleviate our responsibility because nobody is twisting our arm to do it. We enjoy every minute of it while in our unregenerate state. In fact, no man can or will choose good unless he has already been regenerated by the Spirit.

If you believe God gives you a free license to sin after you are truly saved, then all you have to do is read Scriptures like:

I don't think too many people claim we have a license to sin. In fact, Paul says, "May it never be!"

No honest person could read the above scriptures and believe "once saved always saved.

You can only claim this if you believe OSAS to teach licentiousness. Since this is not what it teaches, you are building up a straw man argument.
 
Once saved, always saved? Can a Christian lose their salvation after they have truly accepted Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior?

I'm new and I would like to respond to the original post. (I have not read the entire thread.)

A part of me wants to believe that people that are born again love Jesus so much that they wouldn't dare do what it takes to lose salvation. The question is, what does it take? How to lose salvation?
The answer...
"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come." (Matthew 12:31-32)

"Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin." (Mark 3:28-29)

"And everyone who will speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him." (Luke 12:10)
My interpretation of the above scriptures, is that one loses their salvation by rejecting the Holy Spirit; I believe it's a willful rebellious act. Why would one want to do that? I don't know! But logically, it's entirely possible.
[Edit: and here's how... The continuous refusal to respond to the guidance of the Spirit of God as revealed in his word may eventually lead to a state of moral insensitivity. Grieving (Eph. 4:30), resisting (Acts 7:51), and quenching (1 Thess. 5:19) the Holy Spirit may lead one to become so calloused that he will not even hear the truth. (source: bible.ca/ef/expository-matthew-12-31.htm)]

Matthew 7:21-23 seems to further support the idea that one can lose their salvation, but it confuses me because it seems to be talking about more than just blasphemy of the Holy Spirit:
<SUP class=versenum id=en-KJV-23338>"</SUP>Not every one that saith unto me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?' And then will I profess unto them, 'I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.'" (Matthew 7:21-23)
I find my interpretation of Matthew 7:21-23 disturbing because I'm having trouble tying it together with the earlier scriptures I quoted from Matthew, Mark and Luke. My understanding of that scripture, makes me wonder how God could turn away folks that 'think' they're saved (perhaps reprobates?). Honestly, that is probably my *misinterpretation* of Matthew 7:21-23. Regardless, that particular scripture seems loosely stated compared to the earlier three scriptures I quoted above, which I think are clearly stated. Interpreted: one loses their salvation by blasphemy against the Holy Spirit; which is an attitude of defiant irreverence. What I'm calling loosely stated is most likely my lack of understanding of context.

My thought is that we are all undeserving of heaven. "There is none righteous; no, not one." (Romans 3:10)

Any help with context or in tying the above scriptures together, would be greatly appreciated, as I am not a Bible scholar.
 
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You would have to be in that world to have Not been forgiven!
Meaning you will lose something? Like rewards!


Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
1Ti 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.




Heb 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
Heb 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?


Once We are Born of god, Our Spirit which is Gods Child will never sin!
Our flesh mind and body could!

people cannot seem to see There Spirit 100% different than there weak minds and bodies!
 
Dear Strawberry.

On witnessing the miracles of Jesus, the Scribes and Pharisees attributed the power that Jesus had to the devil. What choice did they have, they were the religious elite of Israel. Jesus spoke against them, in their eyes Jesus could not possibly be the messiah.

In context, read the following,

22 Then a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute was brought to Jesus, and He healed him, so that the mute man spoke and saw.

23 All the crowds were amazed, and were saying, "This man cannot be the Son of David, can he?"

24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons."
(Matthew 12:22-24)

More precisely the scriptures above are not the way to lose salvation.
They are a rejection not only of the Christ but also the Holy Spirit.
But, both are the one God. Rejection of either has the same outcome.

As for Matthew 7:21-23, this concerns people who use the name of Jesus Christ but do not have the relationship (Holy Spirit) with Jesus Christ. That is why Jesus says "I never knew you". They are not clothed in Christ. They do not really believe in Jesus.

"For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day." (John 6:40, NASB)
 
Nowhere in scripture does it state that we "accept Jesus as our personal Lord and Saviour" to be saved. When I became born again, I did not do this and yet I received the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues. Acts 2:38 encapsulates the initial salvation extremely well: Repent, be baptised in water, receive the Holy Spirit and you will speak in tongues. But after this initial salvation, you certainly can lose your salvation, Galatians 5:21 just one of many scriptures.
 
Nowhere in scripture does it state that we "accept Jesus as our personal Lord and Saviour" to be saved. When I became born again, I did not do this and yet I received the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues. Acts 2:38 encapsulates the initial salvation extremely well: Repent, be baptised in water, receive the Holy Spirit and you will speak in tongues. But after this initial salvation, you certainly can lose your salvation, Galatians 5:21 just one of many scriptures.

Galatians 5:21 can be explained by so that Christian would not do these sins (see Galatians 5:21). And its thefore only a instruction for christian not to take example of those unsaved, who do these things.
I dont know my self what apostole is infact saying in Galatians 5:21. but it doesnt seem to be that simple..
 
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Your a liar !
You have No idea what Salvation is! Your Deceiver just like your father the devil !

Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.




1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.



1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Heb 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

1Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth


1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.


1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1Co 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.


1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Php 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:


Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.


Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.





Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.


1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh


lion you need to change your name to snake!
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:



Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)





Joh 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;

Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.


Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.



Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:


Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
 
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Galatians 5:21 can be explained by so that Christian would not do these sins (see Galatians 5:21). And its thefore only a instruction for christian not to take example of those unsaved, who do these things.
I dont know my self what apostole is infact saying in Galatians 5:21. but it doesnt seem to be that simple..

Jesus told Nicodemus you must have 2 births:
One of the flesh and one of the Spirit.

We are all born of the flesh but not all are born of the Spirit or as Jesus said, "Born Again".

If you are truly born of the Spirit and saved, just as with your birth from your mother, there is no such thing as being unborn from the Spirit!
 
Jesus told Nicodemus you must have 2 births:
One of the flesh and one of the Spirit.

We are all born of the flesh but not all are born of the Spirit or as Jesus said, "Born Again".

If you are truly born of the Spirit and saved, just as with your birth from your mother, there is no such thing as being unborn from the Spirit!

Bro what about death?

bible has many scriptures about spiritual death in belivers for example. Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
 
Your correct! We have a flesh type body and spirit type body! both are Defiled by sin.
God gives us a New Spirit body !Once we accept the Gospel of JESUS CHRIST as truth and Him into our hearts [spirit] as LORD !
Only though HIS gospel [What He did on the Cross for us] And accepting Him from our spirit as LORD! He must have His rightful place in our lives as LORD!

So many are preaching sin is ok ! Or there is another way ,other than JESUS CHRIST who alone paid the price for our sins!

I know none of us dwell in perfect bodies and we all make mistakes from to time to time we need to repent of!
that is why we cannot look down on others! But we must judge Evil from GOOD!

Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.


1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

I have great faith in my brothers and sisters in this world! They have the Spirit of truth! But we are All growing in truth and the correct understanding! I am still learning , i doubt we ever stop learning here!
 
Listen the called and the elect were together then and they are now in our churches! All the Elect were once called .all the called do not become the elect! We are called then tried and if we were willing to follow ONLY HIM .Then He gives us a New Spirit and we are counted as part of His family and household .His kings and priests .Heirs to His throne!

It only our Spirit that becomes the child of God!

We still live in these same old dying bodies! But He has given us many wonderful promises , which He keeps! We then live a faith life here! Faith that His words are true above anything we see!

But the Best part of salvation to me? Is HE keeps us we do not keep ourselves! We do not have to fear or worry ever again ! It so wonderful to live in freedom ! I never knew how bound i was , til He set me free!

Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Gal 2:4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

So many of my brothers and sisters are in bondage! They do not know the truth! It is the truth that sets us free!

Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Much easier to overcome sin when your set free!
 
We die , that is our old spirit dies at salvation! it is nailed to His cross!

Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

we still have our old spirits thoughts in our flesh minds!
Our flesh mind must be renewed , by filling it with GODS living words1

Death is really separation from God! Once born into His family ? We are Never separated from him ever again !

Heb 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
Acts 2:38 encapsulates the initial salvation extremely well: Repent, be baptised in water, receive the Holy Spirit and you will speak in tongues.

Acts 2:38 does not mention speaking in tongues. Please stop manipulating Scripture to fit your theology.

Spirit Led Ed (SLE)
 
Bro what about death?

bible has many scriptures about spiritual death in belivers for example. Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.


8:13 (for if you live according to the flesh, you will die), but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body ye shall live



Sorry but I think you have this verse all wrong.
8:13 is talking about living for the flesh and when you die a physical death, you will also die spiritually, without God.

But, if you are saved, when you die in the flesh, you will yet live in the Spirit, the Spirit of God for eternity. Yes the Bible often talks about "Spiritual Death", what happens to those who die a physical death without being saved!
 
8:13 (for if you live according to the flesh, you will die), but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body ye shall live



Sorry but I think you have this verse all wrong.
8:13 is talking about living for the flesh and when you die a physical death, you will also die spiritually, without God.

But, if you are saved, when you die in the flesh, you will yet live in the Spirit, the Spirit of God for eternity. Yes the Bible often talks about "Spiritual Death", what happens to those who die a physical death without being saved!

the verse is addressed to believers.

8:12 So then, 13 brothers and sisters, 14 we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh 8:13 (for if you live according to the flesh, you will 15 die), 16 but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body you will live.
 
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