Can a Christian person have demons?

[Admon Mikha'el]

Greetings,

I think in all fairness that Member Garee @Garee uses different colors for 'grouping' words that 'fit' together, and what Garee writes corresponds to the grouping as seen in Scripture. Sort of like keywords. It is more a courtesy and kindness to help the reader understand without 'telling' them everything.
(I could be wrong on that.)

I use the 'dark' mode as it is easier for me to see white on black background but it is also difficult to see some colors, at some times.
I find that if i really want to see something, i can 'select' it which then renders it all one color. Once read, unselect. Quite quick and easy with a mouse on a computer and monitor.

I have a really hard time with the white background and a lot of faint colors and text.

Let us pray for one another, with our myriad of problems. The Lord might perchance even help us to love one another more and by so doing we could interact and fellowship in a much more uplifting and encouraging way... God's way


Bless you ....><>

ps.. i remember some years ago explaining to a newly converted Greek person about how to read even small passages of the Bible. I told them to read every word, slowly, taking enough time for every word to register, as each word was/is important (even if it is in English via a KJV!!! -- for all you anti-translations buffs)

If we chew slowly and not race through and miss the words, the Lord has time to minister much to us, as we read.

Try it, read what is known as the Lord's Prayer, ever so slowly, one word at a time, chewing over each word..... start with "Our" and get to the point that you register that 'our' does not mean 'my'... so what does "Our" mean? ..... immediately you begin on the right track to understand the rest.
....><>

Mr Bear...I love your gentle pacific spirit. My own spirit is not so.

 

[Rhema]

for all you anti-translations buffs

Just to clarify the record... I am NOT an anti-translation buff. I am, though, an anti-BAD-translation buff. (So was the author of Young's Literal.)

Rhema
(And when necessary, I also provide the translation along with a link to the Liddell Scott Lexicon, as neither the BDAG (a very biased lexicon, btw) nor the Cambridge Greek Lexicon (my favorite) has any online presence.

 

[Rhema]

Who are YOU to judge anybody. Are you God? Clean up your own back yard!

I've taken the decades necessary to learn both English and Koine Greek. That's who.

And God actually talks to me, enough so that when I post, I am quite assured that I know what I'm talking about and can present my views with precision and clarity, thank you very much.

Rhema
(Well if there's dog poo in my backyard, you shouldn't be stepping in it. But please PM me the details since you seem so interested in removing the mote from my eye.)

 

[Rhema]

I'm getting really tired of your snobbish "I use the Greek" Rhema I don't care if you use carrot sticks. The Holy Spirit is to be our teacher...I prefer to listen to HIM not you.

But the Holy Spirit wouldn't be teaching you incorrect definitions, now, would he....

GIGO... it's a valid concern.

When I first realized that I could get the NT in its initial language, I was stunned, as all the churches I had attended would preach that these manuscripts were lost to time. I was lied to, were you?

I then found out that an interlinear was available and thought WHAT COMMITTED BELIEVER WOULDN'T WANT ONE !!! Well I found out very quickly since I often run into people like yourself. But I still encourage everyone to use this book:

The Interlinear KJV-NIV Parallel New Testament in Greek…

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You will quickly see just how bad the KJV and NIV have failed you.

Thanks,
Rhema

 

[PloughBoy]

Who are YOU to judge anybody. Are you God? Clean up your own back yard!

 

[Rhema]

Greetings all,

do you mind if i ask....

what is 'a demon'?

That is a very valid question, as the word "demon" does not exist in the New Testament, nor was it used in the KJV Bible, though one can find the word in Young's Literal and the ASV, but not the RV, and only in the NT, not the OT.

The 'gloss' in the KJV for "demon" is "devil" and yet "devil" doesn't exist in the KJV OT... or the Young's Literal, the ASV or the RV Old Testament, for that matter.

The Greek word is διάβολος (diabolos G1228 noun) and is found in the LXX, but the KJV uses the word "Satan" or at times enemy (compare H7854).

I provide you with the LINK to the Liddell Scott Lexicon for διάβολος.

From my personal experience, given the accretion of meaning to the word "demon," I've come to call them critters for lack of a better word.

what is 'a demon'?
and, who said so? In other words, Scripture to back your answer, please.

And therein lies a full PhD thesis, innit?

I'm not sure I have the time to go through all 33 valid instances of the word διάβολος.

And having successfully cast out only one, I shan't consider myself an expert, but would refer to the ministry and works of Lester Sumrall.

Rhema

 

[Garee]

I'm getting really tired of your snobbish "I use the Greek" Rhema I don't care if you use carrot sticks. The Holy Spirit is to be our teacher...I prefer to listen to HIM not you.

Rhema represents the work of the Holy Spirit the living abiding water of word . it work in us to both reveal the will of our unseen God and empower us to perform it to His good pleasure .

Philippians 2:13-14 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputing's:

That work of God brings born again life to our soul . The soul is the ability to commune with another. .The soul dies that walks in disagreement of God. .A person must be born again .

Christ is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul pleases it is him alone that can awaken our soul seeing he empowers us yoked with him to do the things he appoints to the born again believer . Two souls can walk in agreement


Job 23: 12-16 Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food. But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him. Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him.For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth me:

 

[PloughBoy]

I'm getting really tired of your snobbish "I use the Greek" Rhema I don't care if you use carrot sticks. The Holy Spirit is to be our teacher...I prefer to listen to HIM not you.

That’s. Right, God can speak in English Too, on The Day Pentecost and they all was gather together and each man heard Him speak in Their own Language! Where they was Born, “Whether they was born, in The “Congo”, along The Amazon River, New Zealand, Japan, Costa Rica, Austria, Turkey, Egypt, Czechoslovakia, Iran, Syria, and Timbuktu!
“Acts “2: 7-11 (ASV)

“Psalm 94” (ASV).
8Pay attention, you stupid ones among the people;

And when will you understand, foolish ones?

9He who planted the ear, [e]does He not hear?

Or He who formed the eye, [f]does He not see?

10He who [g]disciplines the nations, will He not rebuke,

He who teaches mankind knowledge?

11The LORD knows human thoughts

[h]That they are mere breath.”

 

[joecoten]

That is a very valid question, as the word "demon" does not exist in the New Testament, nor was it used in the KJV Bible, though one can find the word in Young's Literal and the ASV, but not the RV, and only in the NT, not the OT.

The 'gloss' in the KJV for "demon" is "devil" and yet "devil" doesn't exist in the KJV OT... or the Young's Literal, the ASV or the RV Old Testament, for that matter.

The Greek word is διάβολος (diabolos G1228 noun) and is found in the LXX, but the KJV uses the word "Satan" or at times enemy (compare H7854).

I provide you with the LINK to the Liddell Scott Lexicon for διάβολος.

From my personal experience, given the accretion of meaning to the word "demon," I've come to call them critters for lack of a better word.


And therein lies a full PhD thesis, innit?

I'm not sure I have the time to go through all 33 valid instances of the word διάβολος.

And having successfully cast out only one, I shan't consider myself an expert, but would refer to the ministry and works of Lester Sumrall.

Rhema

My old pastor called them critters. I call them people without bodies.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

That is a very valid question, as the word "demon" does not exist in the New Testament, nor was it used in the KJV Bible, though one can find the word in Young's Literal and the ASV, but not the RV, and only in the NT, not the OT.

The 'gloss' in the KJV for "demon" is "devil" and yet "devil" doesn't exist in the KJV OT... or the Young's Literal, the ASV or the RV Old Testament, for that matter.

The Greek word is διάβολος (diabolos G1228 noun) and is found in the LXX, but the KJV uses the word "Satan" or at times enemy (compare H7854).

I provide you with the LINK to the Liddell Scott Lexicon for διάβολος.

From my personal experience, given the accretion of meaning to the word "demon," I've come to call them critters for lack of a better word.


And therein lies a full PhD thesis, innit?

I'm not sure I have the time to go through all 33 valid instances of the word διάβολος.

And having successfully cast out only one, I shan't consider myself an expert, but would refer to the ministry and works of Lester Sumrall.

Rhema

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

The KJV calls them devils or evil spirits They are.....Demons are the didembodies spirits of the Neph'il who are the offspring of the fallen angels and human women....They cannot die, eat, sleep, or anything but wander the earth doing their dastardly deeds. They seek to inhabit the bodies of the living, and.....

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Rhema represents the work of the Holy Spirit the living abiding water of word . it work in us to both reveal the will of our unseen God and empower us to perform it to His good pleasure .

Philippians 2:13-14 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputing's:

That work of God brings born again life to our soul . The soul is the ability to commune with another. .The soul dies that walks in disagreement of God. .A person must be born again .

Christ is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul pleases it is him alone that can awaken our soul seeing he empowers us yoked with him to do the things he appoints to the born again believer . Two souls can walk in agreement


Job 23: 12-16 Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food. But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth. For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him. Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him.For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth me:

Well I'd rather listen to the Holy Spirit Himself Thank you sir.

 

[Rhema]

My old pastor called them critters. I call them people without bodies.

It's an appropriate term, but I hadn't heard that it was used elsewhere.

The word "people," though, implies humans. My experience is that these are not, nor ever have been, human in nature, but rather are foreign sentient consciousnesses of unknown origin - although I have no problem with connecting "critter" with "fallen angel."

I've been appreciating your posts,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Demons are the didembodies spirits of the Neph'il who are the offspring of the fallen angels and human women....

As @Br. Bear asked, have you scripture to back up your personal interpretation?

Thanks,
Rhema

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

As @Br. Bear asked, have you scripture to back up your personal interpretation?

Thanks,
Rhema

Not scripture Only a history book that Christians fear.

 

[Rhema]

Well I'd rather listen to the Holy Spirit Himself Thank you sir.

Indeed... but the Holy Spirit wouldn't give you wrong information. Would He (she, it)?

Rhema

PS: So just what does the Holy Spirit do? What is this "listening"? Can you describe the details of how you "listen to the Holy Spirit Himself" ??
PPS: You can PM, or just consider it rhetorical if you find such a question embarrassing.
PPPS: Garee wasn't talking about me, he misread your post.

 

[Rhema]

Not scripture Only a history book that Christians fear.

What might that history book be, then ??


(Ohhh... let me guess.... Enoch? The book of Enoch??)

 

[joestue]

A friend of mine calls them critters as well

 

[joecoten]

It's an appropriate term, but I hadn't heard that it was used elsewhere.

The word "people," though, implies humans. My experience is that these are not, nor ever have been, human in nature, but rather are foreign sentient consciousnesses of unknown origin - although I have no problem with connecting "critter" with "fallen angel."

I've been appreciating your posts,
Rhema

Nephilim would be more accurate, but they did have a human body at one time. There is a difference between demons and fallen angels. It also depends on what one believes is possible.

 

[joecoten]

I never went outside of our bible until the Lord led me to the book of Enoch. I was 55 and had been a disciple for some time. I guess I was well-grounded and mature enough for what He wanted to teach me about the Genesis 6 angels. People should try to keep to the canon. In my opinion.