Can blasphemy against the Holy Spirit be committed in thoughts?

[Garee]

Garee, Where might there be scripture to support that claim?

("It" being "Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" as defined by the context of your post.)

Where did Jesus ever say that Blasphemy againt the Holy Spirit was forgivable when he "was here".

Thanks,
Rhema

It is written in the law below . In that way there is no confusion between eternal God not seen and temporal and mankind seen.

Matthew 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

In that way we understand God is not a man as us . .

Below some saw the miracle as the witness of men but Jesus did not commit himself unto them.. the witness of God . .the greater unseen witness.

John 2:22-24 King James Version When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did. But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,

They would be like those in Hebrews 6 they tasted and participated with the power but God di not apply or commit it to their hearts . They would be the ones trying to make gods in the likeness of men. Crucifying Christ over and over to public shame .

He performed miracles through other apostles other than Jesus also.

Those who do walk by sight after the temporal seen make Jesus out to be a circus seal in that way .

Believers are warned that the witness of God is greater than the witness of men . (what the eyes see)

Isaiah 8:20 informs us to the law (John 4:48 ) and the testimony (John 6:30) or evidence Christ has spoken. . if some believe not it is because there is no light of the gospel working from within.. reminding us its a evil generation natural unconverted mankind that does seek after a sign before they commit faith.

Which is not faith at all .For who hopes for that in which they already have. We have a living hope as our daily bread in that way . A hope beyond fallen human hope. . the gospel of peace according to His revealed understanding

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

 

[Rhema]

It is written in the law below . ...

But that doesn't make sense.

You had said - Blasphemy against the Holy spirit was forgivable when the Son of man Jesus was here.

It was forgivable when the Son of man Jesus was here .

Your own scripture quote says otherwise...

Matthew 12:31-32 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

"... whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it will not be forgiven him ..."

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.​

(Matthew 12:31 KJV)​

It clearly says that blasphemy will not be forgiven, it doesn't say "while I (Jesus) am here on earth it is forgivable..."

C'mon man,

Rhema

 

[Garee]

But that doesn't make sense.

You had said - Blasphemy against the Holy spirit was forgivable when the Son of man Jesus was here.

Your own scripture quote says otherwise...


"... whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it will not be forgiven him ..."

Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.​

(Matthew 12:31 KJV)​

It clearly says that blasphemy will not be forgiven, it doesn't say "while I (Jesus) am here on earth it is forgivable..."

C'mon man,

Rhema

I think you misread that was not the point a was trying to make .I said the same thing that Christ said. In that way Peter was forgiven in his blasphemy against the Son of man for his part of the work of destroying the unseen government of God attributing the power to his own flesh again as if he was the key that the gates of hell could never prevail


(Mathew 12 )And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, . . . neither in this world, neither in the world to come.. . . simply means never .The 33 year window of opportunity left when the Son of man disappeared never to come again and demonstrate the work of the two ever again .

 

[Rhema]

Peter was forgiven in his blasphemy against the Son of man

But that's not even the topic of the OP, Garee.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is.

I think you misread that was not the point a was trying to make.

I think I most certainly did not misread what you said. Whether intended or not, you had stated that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was forgivable while Jesus was on Earth. That's what led to my question.

Have you now changed your mind? Or had you initially misspoken ?? (It happens.)

Thanks,
Rhema

.The 33 year window of opportunity

Opportunity for what ??

 

[Garee]

But that's not even the topic of the OP, Garee.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is.

Its the testimony of the topic according to the law or doctrine of God . Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against of the Son of man . By the work of the Holy Spirit that dwelt in Peter. .

In that way to the law and testimony . . prophecy fulfilled.

The 33 year window of opportunity of being forgiven of blasphemy against the Son of man seen .

 

[joestue]

I assume you all are aware that the Jews were already operating under the law which makes it very clear that blasphemy against YHWH was unforgiveable. Jesus changed nothing regarding that, but equates the Holy Spirit with the father by expressly stating it is an unforgivable sin.

Now i suppose the average person who we have all heard blaspheme God doesnt know what they are saying. So we dont really know if they are condemned.

 

[Garee]

I assume you all are aware that the Jews were already operating under the law which makes it very clear that blasphemy against YHWH was unforgiveable. Jesus changed nothing regarding that, but equates the Holy Spirit with the father by expressly stating it is an unforgivable sin.

Now i suppose the average person who we have all heard blaspheme God doesnt know what they are saying. So we dont really know if they are condemned.

Yes blasphemy against YHWH the unseen Holy Spirit was and is un-forgivable . They blasphemed against the Son of man when he was here . many Jew are waiting for the first appearance of the propmised Son of man .Another Jesus another gospel

Only God can look upon the heart of all mankind and can give them a desire to begin a following or teaching. If he does begin we have him as our personal confidence till the last day .

Philipians 2: 5-6 For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now; Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

 

[Rhema]

Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy against of the Son of man .

And just what does that have to do with blasphemy of the Holy Ghost, and the fact that you said blasphemy of the Holy Ghost could be forgiven while Jesus was upon the earth ??

Yes blasphemy against YHWH the unseen Holy Spirit was and is un-forgivable .

Well thank you. You could have said that to me, a number of posts ago when I specifically asked this question.

Rhema

The 33 year window of opportunity of being forgiven of blasphemy against the Son of man seen .

So now you're saying that blasphemy against the Son of man can NOT be forgiven today.

Again, that's not what the text actually says, Garee.

 

[th1bill]

@Rhema
it bothers me so much

blasphemy is speaking evil against the Holy Spirit? but I don't know if it includes with thoughts. I'm so scareddd I don't want this but it feels like coming from my own thoughts

Hello JessicaF. You are not guilty of this sin until you die without accepting Yashuah ha'Mashiah, Jesus in Greek, as your Savior. This is one of the most troubling thoughts Satan uses to make the Followers impudent. If you worry about this sin, as I used to, you are not guilty.

 

[Garee]

And just what does that have to do with blasphemy of the Holy Ghost, and the fact that you said blasphemy of the Holy Ghost could be forgiven while Jesus was upon the earth ??

I did not say blasphemy against the Holy Spirit was forgivable on earth while Jesus was on earth I said blasphemy against the Son of man was forgivable while he was on earth .The Son of man is not God. Only blasphemy against God not seen is not forgivable .

 

[Rhema]

I did not say blasphemy against the Holy Spirit was forgivable on earth while Jesus was on earth I said blasphemy against the Son of man was forgivable while he was on earth .

Garee, thank you very much for clarifying our "mix-up." The following is the post that led to my questions. I highlight the text that confused me.

Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is attributing the work of His unseen Spirit to mankind seen. It can be compared to the first commandment; "thou shall have no other gods before our Living God Christ".

It was forgivable when the Son of man Jesus was here .

( I think you switched pronouns on me in mid-stream.)

But now I'm confused about something else.

You had said, the first commandment; "thou shall have no other gods before our Living God Christ".
... which clearly states our "Living God Christ" is God, right ?? In other words, Christ is God, yes ??

But isn't Christ the Son of Man ??
So this post confuses me -

The Son of man is not God.

(We can leave this as a rhetorical question, but I just wanted to point out another thing that has me confused...)

Thanks,
Rhema

 

[Garee]

You had said, the first commandment; "thou shall have no other gods before our Living God Christ".
... which clearly states our "Living God Christ" is God, right ?? In other words, Christ is God, yes ??

But isn't Christ the Son of Man ??
So this post confuses me -

I can try thanks.

Salvation is always reckoned as two working together . One seen the Son of man Jesus and the other not seen the father striking the Son bruising his heel a reflection of the Genesis 3:15 parable .

Isaiah 53 :5-10 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: (not dead never to rise again the end .) and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

The demonstration as a parable is reckoned as three days and nights in the belly of the whole or called the heart of the earth. Heart of the earth or belly of the Whale representing the sufferings of Christ working in the Son of man Jesus unto death (not dead) as the father struck the Son of man he bruised his heel

It is the propmised demonstration of faith spoken of in Isaiah 53 .Two working together to create the peaceful government of God (the witness of God.. . not seen ) . Not to be confused with the government of men . The witness of men. . .seen.

1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

John 8:16-18 King James Version16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

The witness of two the father and Son not the witness of two thousand . the witness of men

In that way during the three day demonstration it would appears to be three different kinds. The first in the garden of Gethsemane when the father began pouring out his wrath bruising the heel of the Son of man . During that part of the three part demonstration to make sure the witness of God alone was viewed .The father put the disciples to sleep three time and Son of man had no help to encourage him and strengthen Jesus . When that part of the three day and night demonstration has ended . Then he moved on to the witness of men (phase two) the cross the more popular demonstration to the gospel to unbelieving world . . the witness of men .

There from what the eyes saw it would appear that the Satan inspired mop were responsible for the sufferings that the father was bringing. But according to the witness of God the first part of the demonstration he would not share that glory with mankind. Again the apostles were put to sleep during the first part. From there phase three . The demonstration of faith .Where in the tomb hidden from sight the father finished the work of bruising the heel of the Son of man .It revealed the workings of two as one finished demonstration . The father rolled away the stone and the Son of man walked out with no grave clothes being removed by the finger of God .

Unlike the demonstration with Lazarus four days in the tomb having the disciples roll back the stone and commanded then to remove the grave cloths to show the work was temporal .

Its not the most popular way of reasoning but it does work out the best in the end.

Christ is the anointing Holy Spirit of God .His Spirt worked in the Son of man as Jesus did the will of God . Revealing the work of two .

The Father in a greater position with power the Son of man the weaker.

 

[ChristianConsFurryGuy]

Let me add my two cents.

The thing you need to realize is that if you committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, God is done with you!

To use an example, check out Acts 5. When Peter called out Aninias when he did it, the man died outright and immediately. The same happened to his wife Saphira as well.

If you're still breathing, I think you're safe...but try not to push it!

 

[Yennee]

@Rhema
it bothers me so much

blasphemy is speaking evil against the Holy Spirit? but I don't know if it includes with thoughts. I'm so scareddd I don't want this but it feels like coming from my own thoughts

@Rhema
it bothers me so much

blasphemy is speaking evil against the Holy Spirit? but I don't know if it includes with thoughts. I'm so scareddd I don't want this but it feels like coming from my own thoughts

If you are being tormented by the idea, then the devils are still trying to get you, and drag you down. *Many* Christian's struggle with the fear of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit , and the satans love to use anything that brings us fear , desire that we let over-rule God in our lives, despair , or other strong negative emotions such as doubts -- if there is any breach in your divine armor, "the Armor of God " then it will be exploited . Pray for ABBA to mend your armor. Our God is the blacksmith!

Pray to be guarded against blasphemy of the Holy Spirit , suicide, homicide , and false beliefs, and false doctrines , and blasphemy . I have found that it gets easier not to commit suicide , for example. Further , pray for the Lord to help you trust in Him .


And remember , we know not what we aught to pray for , but we have the Comforter to speak on our behalf with uderences (sp) that are beyond our hearing , but which YAH hears.

 

[Garee]

Let me add my two cents.

The thing you need to realize is that if you committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, God is done with you!

To use an example, check out Acts 5. When Peter called out Aninias when he did it, the man died outright and immediately. The same happened to his wife Saphira as well.

If you're still breathing, I think you're safe...but try not to push it!

Yes he is done unless a person repents . denying the very Spirit need to hear and obey .

To repent is a work of God that works in us . Two turning. First he turns us at the hearing of His faith empowered to believe we then turn to him and can repent.

 

[ChristianConsFurryGuy]

Yes he is done unless a person repents . denying the very Spirit need to hear and obey .

To repent is a work of God that works in us . Two turning. First he turns us at the hearing of His faith empowered to believe we then turn to him and can repent.

The idea is that if you think you blasphemed against the Holy Spirit--you didn't. If you really did, then God has no reason to keep you alive. You'd already be condemned.

Let me encourage you with this. It is very VERY hard to do what you are afraid you did, and God wouldn't keep you breathing if you did. The very fact that you are wondering about it means the Holy Spirit is STILL WORKING ON YOU! He wouldn't be working on you if you were a lost cause!

Jesus died to forgive Adolf Hitler and He's got more than enough for everyone else!

 

[Garee]

The idea is that if you think you blasphemed against the Holy Spirit--you didn't. If you really did, then God has no reason to keep you alive. You'd already be condemned.

Let me encourage you with this. It is very VERY hard to do what you are afraid you did, and God wouldn't keep you breathing if you did. The very fact that you are wondering about it means the Holy Spirit is STILL WORKING ON YOU! He wouldn't be working on you if you were a lost cause!

Jesus died to forgive Adolf Hitler and He's got more than enough for everyone else!

Blasphemy attributing the power of God not seen to mankind seen .It could be compared to plagiarism someone usurping the authorship of the author and perfecter of faith the unseen eternal of God .

I am not sure Christ died for Adolf Hitler?

Those who followed Hitler if they repent they will be forgiven because they had sinned according the him as a son of man, the temporal seen . Blaspheme against the Holy Spirit not seen could never be forgivable . . .denying the very power by which they could beleive.

Peter the serial denier in Mathew 16 was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of man (flesh and blood) over and over .

 

[Bethel]

Can this be committed in thoughts?

The devil likes to beat believers, in their mind. He does it with guilt, regret, fear, and often with scriptures or by using deceived believers to teach anti Grace,, and anti Cross, Legalism.
But thats another Thread, another time..

One of the Devil's favorite spiritual stones to throw at a believer is to show you a verse or 2 that talk about "" blasphemy""", and get you to convince yourself that you did it.

Ignore him, as he's a liar who only lives to deceive.

Now.......Let me show you how to understand 2 verses that Satan uses to try to condemn you, or any born again believer.

1.) Blasphemy OF.....the Holy Spirit. What is that? = Its this....... John 3:36.
See, blasphemy OF the Holy Spirit is to resist God's Grace and never relent.. Thats all it is.... And God's Grace is JESUS as your Savior. So, when a person resists trusting in Christ, they are committing the "unpardonable sin", (that is every unbeliever in this world, right now)......as the only sin that can't be pardoned, is to be a Christ Rejector and die. (never born again).... As if you do that, you have rejected God's Grace, by rejecting Salvation by rejecting Christ.
And THAT, is the unpardonable sin.
So, a believer can't commit that one, as a believer has ALREALY trusted in Christ, and is born again and is "ONE WITH GOD"..."In Christ".
You can't stop being born again. You can't undo a BIRTH once it has happened.

2. ) Blasphemy AGAINST the Holy Spirit. So, that is a different sin. And to commit that one, you have to go back in time and accuse Jesus to His FACE of doing His miracles "by the power of Satan".
See that?
You have to do that in person, so that Jesus can say to you,.....>"that wont be forgiven in this world, or in the world to come".
Now, notice that Jesus isn't here......so, you cant blaspheme against HIM personally, by accusing Him to His Face of doing His miracles by the power of Satan.
That is what they said to Him. .. to His FACE......and that is AGAINST Him.....personally, as it profanes the Holy Spirit.


So, READER..... you can't commit those sins if you are born again, and you can't commit the 2nd one i listed, even if you are not.

 

[Garee]

The devil likes to beat believers, in their mind. He does it with guilt, regret, fear, and often with scriptures or by using deceived believers to teach anti Grace,, and anti Cross, Legalism.
But thats another Thread, another time..

One of the Devil's favorite spiritual stones to throw at a believer is to show you a verse or 2 that talk about "" blasphemy""", and get you to convince yourself that you did it.

Ignore him, as he's a liar who only lives to deceive.

Now.......Let me show you how to understand 2 verses that Satan uses to try to condemn you, or any born again believer.

1.) Blasphemy OF.....the Holy Spirit. What is that? = Its this....... John 3:36.
See, blasphemy OF the Holy Spirit is to resist God's Grace and never relent.. Thats all it is.... And God's Grace is JESUS as your Savior. So, when a person resists trusting in Christ, they are committing the "unpardonable sin", (that is every unbeliever in this world, right now)......as the only sin that can't be pardoned, is to be a Christ Rejector and die. (never born again).... As if you do that, you have rejected God's Grace, by rejecting Salvation by rejecting Christ.
And THAT, is the unpardonable sin.
So, a believer can't commit that one, as a believer has ALREALY trusted in Christ, and is born again and is "ONE WITH GOD"..."In Christ".
You can't stop being born again. You can't undo a BIRTH once it has happened.

2. ) Blasphemy AGAINST the Holy Spirit. So, that is a different sin. And to commit that one, you have to go back in time and accuse Jesus to His FACE of doing His miracles "by the power of Satan".
See that?
You have to do that in person, so that Jesus can say to you,.....>"that wont be forgiven in this world, or in the world to come".
Now, notice that Jesus isn't here......so, you cant blaspheme against HIM personally, by accusing Him to His Face of doing His miracles by the power of Satan.
That is what they said to Him. .. to His FACE......and that is AGAINST Him.....personally, as it profanes the Holy Spirit.


So, READER..... you can't commit those sins if you are born again, and you can't commit the 2nd one i listed, even if you are not.

I would agree . I think it narrows down to attributing the work of God to a hierarchy of men venerable men lording it over the understanding or faith of the non venerable. The abomination of desolation. . making the word of God without effect. .


You could say spiritual plagiarism. Robbing God of His glory.

 

[Bethel]

I would agree . I think it narrows down to attributing the work of God to a hierarchy of men venerable men lording it over the understanding or faith of the non venerable. The abomination of desolation. . making the word of God without effect. .


You could say spiritual plagiarism. Robbing God of His glory.

Here is more on your "plagiarism"...

This verse..

"tho shalt not take God 's name in VAIN".

Now, this verse is universally misunderstood by pastors and believers, as it's taught as....>to say " Jesus" or "Jesus Christ" or "G. Dmn"...... in other words, speaking the name of God, or Christ, in a carnal way that you find people doing, especially in movies.
But that is not how you take God's name in "vain".

Let me show you how you do it, reader.

First you have to understand what it means to "take someone's name".
So, how do you take someone's name? = You marry them. That is the woman taking the man's NAME, as hers.
See that?
That is how you "take someone's name".

Now, what is a Christian? They are the BRIDE of Christ. See that? "Bride" is a female title.. So, to be the BRIDE is to Take the NAME by mariage...... and that is what happens when you are JOINED to CHRIST by being = born again.
THat is what happens when you become "ONE WITH GOD". "in CHRIST".............you have become the BRIDE of the LORD Jesus The Christ........LITERALLY.
You have taken His name........
And you take it in vain, when you FAKE being born again.. .when you FAKE being a real believer.
This happens on many levels, and one of them, is to be water baptized into some cult, thinking you are born again.... and you are not.
When you do that , you are taking God's name in Vain, and BILLIONS do this......currently, who are water baptized, but are not born again Spiritually. They are FAKE Brides.
=FAKE.
I'll let you figure out who that is.......as they are all guilty of doing it and its not just one denomination that creates these fake ....(water baptized only )"Brides of Christ".