Can blasphemy against the Holy Spirit be committed in thoughts?

[Garee]

Here is more on your "plagiarism"...

This verse..

"tho shalt not take God 's name in VAIN".

Now, this verse is universally misunderstood by pastors and believers, as it's taught as....>to say " Jesus" or "Jesus Christ" or "G. Dmn"...... in other words, speaking the name of God, or Christ, in a carnal way that you find people doing, especially in movies.
But that is not how you take God's name in "vain".

Let me show you how you do it, reader.

First you have to understand what it means to "take someone's name".
So, how do you take someone's name? = You marry them. That is the woman taking the man's NAME, as hers.
See that?
That is how you "take someone's name".

Now, what is a Christian? They are the BRIDE of Christ. See that? "Bride" is a female title.. So, to be the BRIDE is to Take the NAME by mariage...... and that is what happens when you are JOINED to CHRIST by being = born again.
THat is what happens when you become "ONE WITH GOD". "in CHRIST".............you have become the BRIDE of the LORD Jesus The Christ........LITERALLY.
You have taken His name........
And you take it in vain, when you FAKE being born again.. .when you FAKE being a real believer.
This happens on many levels, and one of them, is to be water baptized into some cult, thinking you are born again.... and you are not.
When you do that , you are taking God's name in Vain, and BILLIONS do this......currently, who are water baptized, but are not born again Spiritually. They are FAKE Brides.
=FAKE.
I'll let you figure out who that is.......as they are all guilty of doing it and its not just one denomination that creates these fake ....(water baptized only )"Brides of Christ".

I would agree taking the Lords name in vain can be linked to plagiarism.

Another vain example would be in Mathew. In that section many preach its the repetition that is vain and not the manner . God does not condemn us for crying out in our anxieties over and over. The warning is to those who look to seek the approval of men a hierarchy of venerable men that lord it over the faith or understanding lording it over the non venerable ones .A law of the fathers . They were trusting
in men seeking the dead saints for the living and not our father not seen in heaven . Defining Necromancy .

In that way the vain repetition becomes rather than seeking our one Father in heaven into our Mother in heaven . ,

" Mother of God, pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of death". Over and over using what is called sacred beads to keep track .

The old testament Jewish fathers that refused to call no man on earth father have passed it on to other hierarchies of men so that again men would seek their fleshly approval rather than that of our unseen Holy Father . In the end usurping his authority in vain

Mathew 6:6-9 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Again not after this manner, our legion of fathers in heaven (.necromancy )

 

[Bethel]

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The old testament Jewish fathers that refused to call no man on earth father

the New Testament says the same.

Matthew 23:9

 

[Rhema]

The old testament Jewish fathers that refused to call no man on earth father

Source please.

Which "Old Testament" Jewish fathers did so?
Where is this recorded in scripture?

Thanks,
Rhema

 

[Bob Carabbio]

@Rhema
it bothers me so much

blasphemy is speaking evil against the Holy Spirit? but I don't know if it includes with thoughts. I'm so scareddd I don't want this but it feels like coming from my own thoughts

SImply put, - if you're CONCERNED about doing it, then you HAVEN'T DONE IT!!!!
the Enemy is wispering in your ear that you've done it and can't be saved. He's a liar.

unless the Holy Spirit was still with you, you'd never give "God-things" a second thought.

 

[Garee]

Source please.

Which "Old Testament" Jewish fathers did so?
Where is this recorded in scripture?

Thanks,
Rhema

Thanks I can try.

Those kind of fathers (there are two kinds) are shown in 1 Samael 8. They acting as fools had not the words of God the gospel written their hearts as the other fathers like Samael did . .They in rebellion to the word of God gathered themselves together ( not called by God from within ) That had become jealous of all the surrounding pagan nation that did have a outward appearance what the eyes reigning over their faith .They demanded of Samuel the prophets sent, as a apostle in so much that they have their own king reigning over them again a carbon copy of the pagan foundation .Out of sight out of mind kill the seen competition as if we did wrestles against the things seen . Our havenly Father gave them over to do what they should not of until the time of the first century reformation restoring the order of Judges men and women prophet from all nations sent as apostles prophesying the gospel .


1 Samuel,8:4-7 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord. And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

The same kind of father as a law of men (I heard it through the fathers grape vine as a oral tradition.

It is demonstrated as a testimony in Acts 22. Men who followed the authority of the temporal things seen a hierarchy of men lording it over the understanding of the non venerable. .

Note . . (purple) my added opinion to add point or a offering.

Acts 22 :3-5 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God,(false zeal) as ye all are this day. And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women. As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished.


Saul before his born again conversation was one of those kinds of fathers . Murdering the mis-perceived competition .Again out of sight out of mind .no faith coming from God

. In Acts 24 the former fathers try to prove that Pauls new kind of authroity (sola scriptura) was heresy and there law of men the true law but they could not.

Paul given words from the father helps us to rightly divide between the two kinds. of fathers declaring prophesying to the that which by they call heresy (sola scriptura )That by by it as it is written he worships the one unseen Holy Father of the fathers, not in respect to thier flesh and blood. not worship or venerate a legion of fathers as gods in the likeness of men ..

The father using Paul to protect the integrity of his living abiding word.

Acts 24:13-14 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me. But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Another testimony in Jerimiah 44 of those who follow a law of the fathers a hierarchy of men that do make the word of God (sola scriptura) without effect

This time showing the lying power of a negative woman's lib demanding a female deity and in the end those men and women saw no evil in doing so . Again same kind of fathers as the Acts 22 discourse.


Jerimiah 44: 15 -17 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying, As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

 

[Rhema]

Thanks I can try.

Well, I guess I can give an E for effort.

But it's quite a fanciful fable you've spun here, and truly has nothing to do with the question I asked. All Jews called Abraham their father, and none of the scripture you've posted establishes a principle that they were not to call any man father.

Thank you,
Rhema

 

[Garee]

Well, I guess I can give an E for effort.

But it's quite a fanciful fable you've spun here, and truly has nothing to do with the question I asked. All Jews called Abraham their father, and none of the scripture you've posted establishes a principle that they were not to call any man father.

Thank you,
Rhema

Hi thanks for the reply . Sorry in advance for the rambling .

My two cents. None of scripture ?

Mathew 13: 8-10 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

I think we would need to understand what is meant according to the loving commandment "call no man on earth father ". This would include Abraham who is used to signify our Holy Father in heaven, in many parables .

Abraham means; "the father of many nations" designed to be used in various parable . Abraham is the earthly father one nation made up of two. Previously called Abram meaning; the exalted father of one family or nation. Abram's father a Amorite and mother a Hittite . two nations that became enemy of the new nation Israel the bride.

If we let scripture define scripture, faith to faith names used can help us walk by faith. One of the reasons I beleive he spoke in parables to teach us how to understand our unseen God.

Jacob signified as the deceiver. Israel signified as the propmised bride of many nations that has the power of God working with them, in them making their burden lighter . Previously signified as Jacob. . no power to overcome. No future living hope after death.

Genesis 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

Genesis 35:9-11King James Version And God appeared unto Jacob again, when he came out of Padanaram, and blessed him.And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.
And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins;

A new kingdom of priest from all the nations of the world .None like ever before or ever again .

I think a person could say the promise made to Abraham coming to fruition. . the revealing of the bride the church. again as She who overcomes having the power of God in her not of her. She has no power of her own and will not be found with any righteousness of self. .

.Many of the outward Jews according to the corrupted flesh wrestled against a inward Jew who was born again of the Spirit of Christ .(natural unconverted mankind. . . flesh and blood against flesh and blood no help form the Spirit of Christ like that of Israel the bride. )

They like Christians today previously had another teaching authority other than the scriptures alone the word of God teaching them how to walk by the unseen eternal faith . .a promise form the comforter the Holy Spirt that dwells in them working with them empowering us to do his will and draw us back to our first love the hearing of his understanding as a labor of His love.

They who refused to call no man on earth father were confronted by Jesus as one the "think not" doctrines .to help us understand why we are to call no man on earth Spiritual Father .


Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Many lively stones make up the spiritual house of God the wife..

 

[Br. Bear]

Interesting food served around here.

Jesus is Lord

 

[Rhema]

My two cents. None of scripture ?

Mathew 13: 8-10 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

Yes, none of scripture. That verse has no bearing upon my question of what Jewish elder/teacher/prophet in the OT taught "call no man father" and where such is to be found in the OT.

In truth, that verse rebukes the Jew who, for his salvation, relies upon Abraham being his father. (And I think you know this.)

I think we would need to understand what is meant according to the loving commandment "call no man on earth father ".

Indeed it would. The "chosen people," those who would trace their lineage to Abraham for their salvation, held that such blood lineage was a requirement for salvation. Jesus brought a new covenant that rejected such an idea. My initial question to you was, where in the OT was "call no man on earth father" taught.

You gave TWO passages of scripture from the OT - Genesis 32:28 and Genesis 35:9-11. Neither passage addresses this topic.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Interesting food served around here.

Jesus is Lord

Some people eat fried bat.

 

[Garee]

Yes, none of scripture. That verse has no bearing upon my question of what Jewish elder/teacher/prophet in the OT taught "call no man father" and where such is to be found in the OT.

In truth, that verse rebukes the Jew who, for his salvation, relies upon Abraham being his father. (And I think you know this.)

The verse applies to any generation . Call no man on earth God almighty, as a fleshly father .

The old testament Jews like those in the think not reference (Matthew 3:9 ) were looking to the the flesh of Abraham as seeds many not the the eternal word of God referred to as a father a attribute of God .Christ the anointing teacher referenced as the "Seed " (spiritual not seen)

We don't know God after the flesh of any man

The Jews that declared we have Abraham as our Father following a fleshly lineage it would be the same as found in 1 Samuel 8:1 .

They not called together by our heavenly Father gathered themselves together under the name of Abraham because of their jealousy of the surrounding pagan nations who did have a outward appearance a king lording it over the understanding of the non venerable... . a hierarchy of men

Kings in Israel "the abomination of desolation ".

it was restored according to the 1st century reformation restoring the government of God to before the abomination of desolation .

God as our unseen father instructed Samuel to give them a king and declared to Samuel its not you they reject reigning over them as one seen, but God not seen .No faith coming from our unseen Holy Father (God)

1 Samuel 1:4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah, And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations. But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord. And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

 

[Rhema]

Kings in Israel "the abomination of desolation ".

Thank you for your post.

 

[TheWordIsOne]

blasphemy is denying that the Father does not exist this is blasphemy, offending the Holy Spirit

Romans 1:18-21 (KJV) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Romans 1:22-25 (KJV) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

These so call men, throw their prayer to God, and God throws it back, they blasphemy by denying that the Father does not exist this is blasphemy, offending the Holy Spirit

 

[TheWordIsOne]

Acts 17:28-29 (KJV) For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.