Can not know the Lord without Repentance??

[Born Again 2004]

Why can't you see a difference between temptation and sin?

 

[Born Again 2004]

Why can't you see a difference between temptation and sin?

We don't, God does, Matthew 5:28

 

[At Peace]

• I now implore your patience in answering these. I surely don't don't have all the answers But someday we will see him face to face and we will.
• 1 Corinthians 13: 8-13 where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror;then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
• This verse confirms to me, that we aren't quite perfect yet,not until we die , with Jesus in us, and meet God "face to face", at which time we will know all.

• There is a difference between perfectly obedient and perfectly knowledgeable.
• When we get our new bodies we will be perfected in a third way...physically...as Paul wrote of in Phil 3:11-12, 21.

• Paul said, he wouldn't have even know what sin was if it weren't for he law.
  [*]God says the law is Holy, Righteous and Perfect. It hasn't gone anywhere, it still is the standard for man to live by but it never saved because man wasn't capable of following the law perfectly...all day long, 24/7. This would be God's standard because we are all going to his realm, which the law will be a way of existing. So, God ushered in salvation by Grace through Faith. The Law is sill the standard but salvation now comes by way of Christ. We now can rest in the finality of the cross and live because of the resurrection.

• Heb 7:19 defines the law differently..."For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God."

• The law is still in force but the requirement of fulfilling it perfectly was transferred to Christ, for us, by his death and resurrection.
  [*]As a Christian, we died to the law ( requirements of) not that t has gone anywhere.

• You seem to be using Jesus as an escape from being obedient to God.

• So, as the verse says: " we have been release from the law". We are no longer captive slaves to it. It was meant to reveal our sin, never for salvation. That is why, in those days, it had to be re-instated by the "Day of Atonement", where God sort-of re-set every thing...every year, for ever, until he ushered in the law of Grace through Jesus. It is notable to mention that the Bible says Jesus is our final Priest and un- like any Priest before him, he sat down after his work!

• Day of atonement?
  Atonement for what?
  All our old sins were washed away by the blood of Christ, at baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38)
• By adhering to our repentance from sin we won't be committing any new sins.
• Are you, by chance, a converted Jew?

What you seem to have overlooked is that God's realm is on earth now, in the hearts of those that love Him.

 

[At Peace]

We don't, God does, Matthew 5:28

As Christians have had their lusts crucified {Gal 5:24), and are now dead (Rom 6:7), we can look on a woman without lust.
Thanks be to God.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

And disregard of God?

Come on now, its like a game here for you. Lol

This thing stemmed because you said something to the effect that people can not do good unless born again. Not exact quote but I don't feel like digging through all this stuff.

Unsaved people can live good Godly type lives thinking their good qualified them for heaven.

Not all unsaved people live evil lives.

Yes we know in Gods eyes we are as filthy rags until Christ but that is not what this started about.

Have a great week
Blessing's

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

You seem to be using Jesus as an escape from being obedient to God.

Come on now brother @At Peace Brother @Born Again 2004 has not applied that at all.

Let's not get things all out of context here.
Blessing

 

[KingJ]

It is written..."Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled." (Titus 1:15)
Why can't you see a difference between temptation and sin?

If you say to me that you did not think about the immoral thought we discussing as you wrote your reply... I do not buy it :wink:.

Adam and Eve thought about eating the forbidden fruit. Only when they actually ate it, were they removed from the garden.

I am not proposing we entertain the thoughts.

 

[Born Again 2004]

There is a difference between perfectly obedient and perfectly knowledgeable.

Whats the difference? And what difference doe this make!

When we get our new bodies we will be perfected in a third way...physically...as Paul wrote of in Phil 3:11-12, 21

It doesn't say that, Come on...you throw things out there in rebuttal and hope it sticks! When you die ( physical world) a Christian goes to heaven (spiritual world)...there you go again...it doesn't stick!!! John 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth." The truth is the physical does not co-exist with the spiritual.....Whew!!...you have no clue, do you!

Heb 7:19 defines the law differently..."For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God."

No it doesn't...maybe in your mind but not in ours!

You seem to be using Jesus as an escape from being obedient to God.

That's awful and from a person who claims to have Jesus in them!....Jesus is my escape from someone like you...."away from me"!

Day of atonement?
Atonement for what?

Whew...why don't you read the Old Testament sometime.... they did the "Day of Atonement" for thousands of years!

Are you, by chance, a converted Jew?

No, I am a converted Agnostic....not a Jewish Christian!

What you seem to have overlooked is that God's realm is on earth now, in the hearts of those that love Him.

Before we are finally glorified n the presence of God and become fully spiritual, with our heavenly body just like Jesus, Christians now have a piece of God in us but God is all spiritual and so his his realm!

 

[Born Again 2004]

As Christians have had their lusts crucified {Gal 5:24), and are now dead (Rom 6:7), we can look on a woman without lust.
Thanks be to God.

Like I have said before, you just don't get any of this!...except a distortion to satisfy your own beliefs, of which I have seen no one who believes you! We are supposed to give you credence, and you don't even know what the "Day Of Atonement" was? So how are you to even understand that Christ is our atonement!!

 

[At Peace]

Come on now, its like a game here for you. Lol
This thing stemmed because you said something to the effect that people can not do good unless born again. Not exact quote but I don't feel like digging through all this stuff.

Don't judge a book by its cover.
Those not born again have nothing to do with Godliness.
They may appear righteous but they are still walking after the flesh.

Unsaved people can live good Godly type lives thinking their good qualified them for heaven.

Doesn't that make their "Godly type lives" subterfuge?
Their thinking is wrong.

Not all unsaved people live evil lives.

What is the first commandment?

Yes we know in Gods eyes we are as filthy rags until Christ but that is not what this started about.
Have a great week
Blessing's

Is sin evil?
If you answered "yes", then you must be able to see that sinners are evil too.
As unbelievers don't "love God above all else", they are sinners...and evil.[/QUOTE]

 

[At Peace]

If you say to me that you did not think about the immoral thought we discussing as you wrote your reply... I do not buy it :wink:.

Adam and Eve thought about eating the forbidden fruit. Only when they actually ate it, were they removed from the garden.

I am not proposing we entertain the thoughts.

Only when they did the act were they guilty of anything.
Was Jesus a sinner for being tempted by the devil after His baptism?
He "thought about" the temptation enough to reject acting on it...didn't He?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Don't judge a book by its cover.
Those not born again have nothing to do with Godliness.
They may appear righteous but they are still walking after the flesh.


Doesn't that make their "Godly type lives" subterfuge?
Their thinking is wrong.


What is the first commandment?


Is sin evil?
If you answered "yes", then you must be able to see that sinners are evil too.
As unbelievers don't "love God above all else", they are sinners...and evil.

[/QUOTE]
Thank you for replying but none of it has to do with the point being made.

Point being made was that unsaved people can live good lives and follow the Godly Rules.

The point Has nothing to do with evil or Getting into heaven or righteousness. It stems back to a comment you made one time or another.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Only when they did the act were they guilty of anything.
Was Jesus a sinner for being tempted by the devil after His baptism?
He "thought about" the temptation enough to reject acting on it...didn't He?

What are you trying to put out here?

 

[At Peace]

Whats the difference? And what difference doe this make!

The difference is we can obey without all the reasons for our obedience being in our heads.
We can refrain from theft without knowing why John the baptist came before the Christ.
You can obey God without perfect knowledge.

It doesn't say that, Come on...you throw things out there in rebuttal and hope it sticks! When you die ( physical world) a Christian goes to heaven (spiritual world)...there you go again...it doesn't stick!!! John 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth." The truth is the physical does not co-exist with the spiritual.....

Jesus called our new bodies "mansions". (John 14:2)
Paul, in Phil 3, calls them "like unto His glorified bodies" (verse 21)

No it doesn't...maybe in your mind but not in ours!
That's awful and from a person who claims to have Jesus in them!....Jesus is my escape from someone like you...."away from me"!

Without knowing what you are answering to, I will refrain from comment.

Whew...why don't you read the Old Testament sometime.... they did the "Day of Atonement" for thousands of years!

Those feasts and holy days were only for the Jews, and that before the time of Christ.
They are of no significance anymore, except for being seen as shadows of future, now completed, things.

No, I am a converted Agnostic....not a Jewish Christian!
Before we are finally glorified n the presence of God and become fully spiritual, with our heavenly body just like Jesus, Christians now have a piece of God in us but God is all spiritual and so his his realm!

If we don't have God's Spirit in us, on earth, we are none of His.
If we walk in the flesh instead of in the Spirit, we are none of His.

Walk in the Spirit and your eyes will be opened to the kingdom on earth now.

 

[At Peace]

Like I have said before, you just don't get any of this!...except a distortion to satisfy your own beliefs, of which I have seen no one who believes you! We are supposed to give you credence, and you don't even know what the "Day Of Atonement" was? So how are you to even understand that Christ is our atonement!!

"Was"; that's the key.
It doesn't apply to Christians except in the sense of a foreshadow.

 

[At Peace]

Thank you for replying but none of it has to do with the point being made.
Point being made was that unsaved people can live good lives and follow the Godly Rules.
The point Has nothing to do with evil or Getting into heaven or righteousness. It stems back to a comment you made one time or another.

But "they" don't follow Godly rules.
Unsaved people don't love God above all else.

 

[At Peace]

What are you trying to put out here?

The point I'm trying to make is that temptation is not a sin.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Stop and Start again.
Churches are full of People who lead good godly lives. That is in deeds, actions, attitudes which comes to life styles and tare not born again.

This has to do with nothing else.
There are unsaved folks who are kinder and more giving then a lot of Christians.

That is the entire point.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

The point I'm trying to make is that temptation is not a sin.

I agree but you sure took the long way about it.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Jesus called our new bodies "mansions". (John 14:2)
Paul, in Phil 3, calls them "like unto His glorified bodies" (verse 21)

Mansions are housing
The other is talking about our new glorified bodies.

They are not one in the same.