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Have you remained "unspotted"...perfectly...that would be the question?
Child like faith?
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Greetings,
No, that is not the question. (I realize you asked it, however).
The question that is perhaps slightly more accurate would be, twofold,
I can say fairly certainly that all of us thus far have not finished the race. No matter what has happened to this moment, we have until that Call to 'prove all things'. Let us not get hasty in setting any stumbling blocks for either ourselves or for others.
Let us rather build each other up with exhortations and thanksgiving to the Lord for what He has done.. and for the fact that He will do as He has spoken and we have that witness in His Word.
I am so glad for His mercy and grace towards me, I can assure you of that. How I live should reflect that. If it doesn't, I need to rethink somewhere and consider my ways before Him, Who loved me and gave Himself a ransom for me.
Such love.
Is that love the sort of child like love we need to accommodate into our life that we have been discussing here in this thread? If so, how does that equate to faith... child like faith.
Bless you ....><>
No, that is not the question. (I realize you asked it, however).
The question that is perhaps slightly more accurate would be, twofold,
- a) Is it possible?
- b) by whose standard do we live by/judge by/uphold/believe? Ours going on our experience or the LORD's, according to His Word.
I can say fairly certainly that all of us thus far have not finished the race. No matter what has happened to this moment, we have until that Call to 'prove all things'. Let us not get hasty in setting any stumbling blocks for either ourselves or for others.
Let us rather build each other up with exhortations and thanksgiving to the Lord for what He has done.. and for the fact that He will do as He has spoken and we have that witness in His Word.
I am so glad for His mercy and grace towards me, I can assure you of that. How I live should reflect that. If it doesn't, I need to rethink somewhere and consider my ways before Him, Who loved me and gave Himself a ransom for me.
Such love.
Is that love the sort of child like love we need to accommodate into our life that we have been discussing here in this thread? If so, how does that equate to faith... child like faith.
Bless you ....><>
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Nice dissertation but, I still say Child like faith is striving for perfection but understanding there is no condemnation when you don't make it all the time.
That being said, we also know that the Holy Spirit isn't given to those who do not "turn from" sin. (Acts 2:38)
We also know that there is no rebirth till after the death of the old man; the flesh. (Rom 6:3-6)
Actually, the second birth is an act of grace bestowed upon the ex-sinner.
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. Jude 1:4
Greetings,
Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you? 2Corinthians 3:1
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. Romans 5:18
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Romans 8:1
Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 2Corinthians 3:2-9
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Greetings,
Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you? 2Corinthians 3:1
thank you.
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. Romans 5:18
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Romans 8:1
Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 2Corinthians 3:2-9
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Greetings,
I did have 'an' act but changed it to 'the' act.
Is that what you were referring to?
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Titus 2:11
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I did have 'an' act but changed it to 'the' act.
Is that what you were referring to?
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Titus 2:11
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You infer that they had faith, but refused to manifest it.
That is kinda counter-intuitive...don't you think?
Pre-conversion Peter fits that scenario.
It must be "their fault", as the same circumstances befell all the folks but only some of them reacted without faith/trust in the Lord.
Fear is a "reaction" to some outside stimulus.
How we react to our fear will manifest whether or not we believe that God will provide for our needs.
Jesus illustrated His fear in the garden of Gethsemane.
But He did the right thing, in spite of the fear.
Fear is an opportunity to manifest faith.
So are danger, hunger, thirst, discomfort, need, sickness, etc.
Yes, as there are a lot of "acts of grace" being done in a convert's life during his commencement of life in Christ.
My emphasis, however, was on the fact that sinners get nothing from God till they quit being sinners.
Looking at :
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. John 12:24-25
it appears that there is a death not being touched on regarding bearing fruit. Also a resurrection. Does that came after we die?
We are meant to bear fruit that remains.
do you think being child like is needed to atttain to or reach or persevere to and in this death?
If any man serve Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve Me, him will My Father honour. John 12:26
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Greetings,
I am reminded of the man who said, "Lord, I believe, help Thou mine unbelief.' He wasn't a child but a father of one...
And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief. Mark 9:24
I am not suggesting he 'refused to manifest it' but nonetheless, he perhaps was not able to fully do so, for whatever reason.
He believed... in the Lord? He needed help in believing His Word?
The Children believed in the LORD but did not believe His Word.
For example, as far as you know, I exist. But do you/can you believe that what i say, I shall do? If not, why not?
Does it take a child to do so?
Also, those who entered in (beside Caleb and Joshua)... were they rebellious or were they not in the equation, being yet 'little children'? Did they manifest faith or is that a speculation on our part? We know that as men, after entering, they were not always so faithful. Did they cease from being children? Did the suggested faith they once had dwindle or did they, now being men, see and reason from a different perspective?
And the result of their dis-obedience? Were they snuffed out or did they have to 'pay' for their sin? These are the same ones who entered in.
(This is an open question or two to everyone)
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I am reminded of the man who said, "Lord, I believe, help Thou mine unbelief.' He wasn't a child but a father of one...
And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief. Mark 9:24
I am not suggesting he 'refused to manifest it' but nonetheless, he perhaps was not able to fully do so, for whatever reason.
He believed... in the Lord? He needed help in believing His Word?
The Children believed in the LORD but did not believe His Word.
For example, as far as you know, I exist. But do you/can you believe that what i say, I shall do? If not, why not?
Does it take a child to do so?
Also, those who entered in (beside Caleb and Joshua)... were they rebellious or were they not in the equation, being yet 'little children'? Did they manifest faith or is that a speculation on our part? We know that as men, after entering, they were not always so faithful. Did they cease from being children? Did the suggested faith they once had dwindle or did they, now being men, see and reason from a different perspective?
And the result of their dis-obedience? Were they snuffed out or did they have to 'pay' for their sin? These are the same ones who entered in.
(This is an open question or two to everyone)
Bless you ....><>
In John 12, Jesus refers to His own impending death and resurrection.
Regarding your question in reference to the verses I posted, Romans 6:3-6, Our death, burial, and resurrection happen here at our "immersion" into Christ and His death, burial and resurrection.
We who hated our previous lives have given them up for the new life made available in Christ...and will live forever.
Our fruit is of His seed.
Absolutely.
It is a case of believing or doubting that the words given us are true.
Those who wish to cross examine and investigate, ad-nauseum, whether or not the plain English is real or some hidden message needs to be exacted from them have manifested that they doubt the word's veracity.
If the word says "jump", you don't ask..."which leg should I start off from and where should I stand when I lift off?".
You just jump.
Amen.
I hope that answered your question.
Yes, but sometimes it takes a while to see that a "test" is for the glory of God.
Then "I" quit moaning about some set-back or itchy rash and just wait to see how God fixes...or better said...uses the situation for His glory.
My getting a flat tire on a 110 degree day may lead someone to me who pulls over to lend a hand.
I may thank him in the name of Christ Jesus for his help and a great conversation may ensue.
I might even thank God for the flat after that!
That's just a hypothetical situation, but we should always look for ways to glorify God in good times and bad.
Everything we do is for His glory.
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That being said, turning from sin and the death of the old man has nothing to do with perfection and sinlessness!
The "dad" believed the Lord, but didn't have faith that the apostles could cure his son.
His faith in Jesus, and in God, was manifested by the healing.
Not sure what you are referring to.
Which Children?
Interesting paradigm.
If I were five years old, and you had never lied to me before, I would certainly believe you.
However, that same 5 year old may not believe someone he doesn't know.
As a child of God now, I believe His every word.
As a child of God I have been taught to be wary of others whom I know not.
Of those who entered into the promised land, none remained of the initial unbelievers.
A whole new generation had come forth, but they too initially did side with the doubting ten spies.
They didn't have the "faith as a child". Faith in God.
Age has nothing to do with the quality of one's faith.
80 year old men can exhibit childlike faith.
All who strayed from God showed they didn't believe God.
All the wicked cities and nations that had fallen before their ancestors, at the hands of God, and still they went after the ways of the cities and nations around them.
With the Mosaic Law having been instituted along the way to the promised land, the "sinners" had an escape clause for their sins.
Lie and steal?
Offer a goat.
Had they not had this atonement, I don't think God would have ever brought them back from Assyria or Babylon.
Or, for that matter, allowed the new generation into Caanan.
But for the sake of the true believers, and to His own glory, God allowed the establishment of Israel so His mercy and fame would be broadcast to all other lands.
Glory to God!.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
What is the opposite of a man who commits sin and will die for them?
Isn't it a man who doesn't commit sin and will live forever?
They are inseparably linked by their opposition to one another.
Black and white.
Greetings,
an interesting snippet from Vincent's Word Studies:
The Jews marked the stages of a child's development by nine different terms: the new-born babe (Isaiah 9:6); the suckling (Isaiah 11:8); the suckling beginning to ask for food (Lamentations 4:4); the weaned child (Isaiah 28:9); the child clinging to its mother (Jeremiah 44:7); the child becoming firm and strong (Isaiah 7:14, of the virgin-mother); the youth, literally, he that shakes himself free; the ripened one, or warrior (Isaiah 31:8).
Bless you ....><>
an interesting snippet from Vincent's Word Studies:
The Jews marked the stages of a child's development by nine different terms: the new-born babe (Isaiah 9:6); the suckling (Isaiah 11:8); the suckling beginning to ask for food (Lamentations 4:4); the weaned child (Isaiah 28:9); the child clinging to its mother (Jeremiah 44:7); the child becoming firm and strong (Isaiah 7:14, of the virgin-mother); the youth, literally, he that shakes himself free; the ripened one, or warrior (Isaiah 31:8).
Bless you ....><>
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No, it is a man that accepts Jesus and will live for ever despite his flaws, Romans 8:1.
it really doesn't matter what it says to anyone, all that matters is what it says, and you are correct that is what it says.
one could even affirm that by reading the exodus in the desert the Lord their God insisted they learn to look to and rely on Him for everything, their confidence was to be completely in the Lord their God. like child's confidence of "my dad can beat up your dad" confidence, as in their God is greater than any other god. and they knew this by their experience with the Lord their God.
so its about one's relationship with the Father through the Son in the Holy Spirit that brings one to that kind of belief and trust, the Lord our God is Faithful to the faithful.
