Christians & Demon Possession

[rizen1]

I've witness, a sister who was demon possess, and this was because of her life style. Even though she attended church her friends did witchcraft and one was a satanist.

Light and dark dont mix, and if your not walking in the spirit, you can be inflenced.

 

[Ann]

Elshevia
Dear Ann, I have already repied to the above answer you gave, either on the 6th or 7th of this month, but it seems to have gone?, it was about Prayer for Generations of people in the family line, If any one has seen it I would be grateful if they let me know thanks. Elshevia.

Hi,,

It seems that your post is lost, please post again.

Love Ann

Blessings!

 

[Coconut]

It occured to me while reading this thread, that some have had a revelation of satantic power, yet lack a revelation of Gods power.

Yes, satan is mighty, but GOD, is ALLmighty!

ALL glory to Him!

God is also TRUTH, and satan is a LIAR, and the father of them. (John 8:44)

Now John says (1Jn 4:1) "Dear friends, stop believing every spirit." [I witnessed, I heard, therefore it is true - human testimony]

The testimony of God is true.

1Jn 4:16 We have come to know and believe in the love that God has for us. God is love, and the person who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.

Now where can there be room for the darkness of satan [fear, torment, hate] in love? [God]

There is no room.

There is no room.

There is no room!

Rom 5:5 And hope does not put to shame; because our hearts are full of the love of God through the Holy Spirit which is given to us.

Can a child of God be 'tormented' by some lingering demonic generational curse, that refuses to let go of the child of God? NO! What a LIE!

1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Gal 4:6 Now because you are his children, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts to cry out, "Abba! Father!"

Thats the GLORY of, thats the POWER of, LOVE!

God IS love.

Why should the Holy Ghost possessed worry about being demon possessed?
Its a marvel to me.

 

[rizen1]

I think anyone ( including Christian ) can have demonic influence in their life, doesnt mean they are possess.Which is a big difference.

Most people who are tormented by demons are satanist, witches or anyone in the occult deeply.


1 Peter 5:8 “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.”

This message for, both christians and un believers telling us to be on our guard.

Ephesians 6:12
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age,[a] against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.


With this warning he also told us.
JAMES 4:7 NKJ
7 Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.

If a Christian is feeding their sin instead of fleeing, it means the enemy will be active in their life.

We are told to

EPHESIANS 6:11-13
11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand

This warfare exist everyday.
Even though many of us have witness a revelation of satanic power, God won at the end. No confusion to who's more powerful.



Romans 16:20
20 And the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen

Luke 10:19
19 "Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Revelation 12:11
11 "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death.

We have the victory, no flee from sin an live in freedom Christ intended.

 

[diday_saavedra]

possesion

Im picking up from tonyb and to the others too about this possesion. I experienced struggle with a very sticky bondage. I was remoresedful a lot of times, got guilty of it so many many times. when times i thought i won that is the time after a while i will succomb again. It took me years and years and if anyone is seeing me could say i am not anymore someone who loves Jesus coz i profes i do love him, until i tried dipping myself to prayers and asked god to really make love me love him. not just know him intellectually. Its true I know Ive won but ones or twice i again fell. at this point i know and determined so help me god, i know Im stronger but I have to dicipline myself and always have the love and sacrifice of christ in my heart and mind every menute of the day and I know Im close and humbly I know the holy spirit did help me. just dont stop praying. i also submitted myselp to repeated deliverance prayer. Its not easy but possible. one thing know your enemy and its strategies so youll know how to fight and ignore.
thank you to all I learned bits and pieces from your threads and added to me strength that jesus will get me trough everytime.
diday

 

[squidget]

i also donot believe that christians can be posessed as we " are in the light "
the most interesting comment i hear ( not hear but in my daily walk ) is if christians have this new spirit then why do they continue sometimes to do bad things ?to they still have demonic influences ?
to that i say no they are a new creation of god ,,but ,, the temple they walk in may still have habbits that need breaking .
once we were saved did out outward features change ? i mean if we had brown eyes once we are saved are they now blue ? no this carnal body we live in wont change but the real us is being changed "transformed " by the renewing of the mind .
JESUS will do wondrful miricals that people will see, yet most of the time we still struggle with the habbits our carnal bodies have . this dosent mean we give in to them ( lusts of the flesh ) but if we look at where these lusts come from its in our minds , so we must bring down any thought that will put itself infront of what god wants for our lives .
no christians cannot be demon possesed
after all if god is for us who can be against us .
honestly satan isnt all he is cracked up to be
1) hes an unnemployed angel
2) at best he can only tempt us ( whisper sweet nothings [ thats all they are nothing ] in our ears )
3) our LORD and SAVIOUR JESUS whipped him and in him we have the victory .

blessings squidge

 

[Coconut]

Hi Chad,



"Opression and possession are entirely two different things. Opression is demons *trying* to fully grasp you, which eventually can become possession."

I agree with this point, but what I was referring to was,

"The problem here is that most people who have a demon got it before they were born again. So that argument immediate falls to the ground. The need for deliverance ministry is most often a consequence of what happened to people before they were born again. "

"Do you believe the Holy Spirit and unclean spirits (demons) can live in the SAME TEMPLE (person)? I do not, neither does Scripture agree on this. The thread has the proper Scripture quoted in regards to this."

I also agree with you on the second statement, no I don't believe that,

"the Holy Spirit and unclean spirits (demons) can live in the SAME TEMPLE (person)?"

....that is why the Holy Spirit is cleaning, because it cannot live with unclean spirits.

We don't become Christians overnight, or clean and pure. Being a Christian is a process of spiritual cleansing, strengthening and growing to become Holy and more like Christ.

The Bible says that there is a struggle going on within us, the struggle between good (Holy Spirit) and evil (evil spirit). (The Conflict of Two Natures - Romans 7:14-25).

I do testify this from my own experience, and what I have seen and heard, not my own interpretation of what I think the bible is saying.

Again seek God more on this matter in prayer, and I know He will reveal this to you.

Godbless!

I highlighted the gross error in this post for the benefit of the readers.
This is teaching mythology not scripture. There is a spiritual world of difference between the flesh, and an "evil spirit" You are confusing the two, and teaching things you aught not to teach. Your 'testimony' does not agree with the Word.

Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

 

[Coconut]

Gal 5:19 What human nature does is quite plain. It shows itself in immoral, filthy, and indecent actions; in worship of idols and witchcraft. People become enemies and they fight; they become jealous, angry, and ambitious. They separate into parties and groups; they are envious, get drunk, have orgies, and do other things like these. I warn you now as I have before: those who do these things will not possess the Kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the Spirit produces love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, humility, and self-control.
There is no law against such things as these.
Gal 5:24 And those who belong to Christ Jesus have put to death their human nature with all its passions and desires.
Gal 5:25 The Spirit has given us life; he must also control our lives.

The moral of the story is, we can blame our passions and desires on demons...or we can take a good long look in the mirror (scripture is the best mirror...actually the only mirror that will show us who`s the real spiritual problem)

There is nowheres in scripture that teaches a man or woman who is born from above, is or can be filled with any other spirit except that of God.

Rom 6:17 But thanks be to God! For though at one time you were slaves to sin, you have obeyed with all your heart the truths found in the teaching you received.
Rom 6:18 You were set free from sin and became the slaves of righteousness.
Rom 6:19 (I use everyday language because of the weakness of your natural selves.) At one time you surrendered yourselves entirely as slaves to impurity and wickedness for wicked purposes. In the same way you must now surrender yourselves entirely as slaves of righteousness for holy purposes.
Rom 6:20 When you were the slaves of sin, you were free from righteousness.
Rom 6:21 What did you gain from doing the things that you are now ashamed of ? The result of those things is death!
Rom 6:22 But now you have been set free from sin and are the slaves of God. Your gain is a life fully dedicated to him, and the result is eternal life.

Christians (born of God) can only be Christ possessed:

1Jn 5:18 We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.
1Jn 5:19 We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

The question is, who owns you?


http://www.talkjesus.com/bible-study-hall/5980-when-enemy-us.html

 

[Property Of God]

I'm not as smart as the rest of you guys or as daring, but what i know that Satan can only attract/harm weak people, meaning people who don't have God's spirt inside of them, and i'd like to believe and be sure that i have God's spirt living inside of me and inside of each and everyone of you,

So... I don't think any christian can be harmed by Satan.

 

[Fellowservant]

The only demon i have is my flesh...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. Rom
7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

God bless

 

[spirit1st]

Nice scriptures of truth.Which will give us greater understanding if we study them and read them a few times!

The flesh causes us lots of problems ,if we do not control it though our inward man [ our Spirit]

demons can NEVER enter the child opf GOD. We have the HOLY GHOST with our spirit!
But they do put thoughts in our minds ,which we must reject.

We have power in our LORDS name to rebuke them and force them to leave and take there dumb evil thoughts with them.They MUST obey us, when we use HIS MIGHTY NAME



something of them.
Act 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
Act 3:7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.


You may see? Peter helped this mans Faith ,Forcing HIm to have Faith , By lifting HIM UP.!

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Demonic Harassment

As I read these posts, an image related to the sport of boxing came to my mind - a manager yelling at his fighter to "Keep your guard up!". The devil and his demons are very real and they are out to harass every Christian who lets his/her guard down.

Two things I try to do on a daily basis to keep my guard up: 1) Surrender my will and my life to the care of the Lord Jesus and 2) Know the scriptures. To try to fight spiritual battles by thumbing through the Bible for verses to use when under attack is like a soldier in the heat of battle running back to the armory to get ammunition. Chances are very good that you're going to get shot in the process.

SLE

 

[Richie]

Can Christians Be Demonized?
By: Hank Hanegraaf

Over the years, I have read a wide variety of stories that claim to support the notion that Christians can be demonized. In the end, they all have one thing in common: They greatly overestimate the power and province of Satan. Some deliverance ministers make a more valiant attempt than others to provide a biblical basis for the contention that a Christian can be inhabited by a demon. Inevitably, however, Scripture itself undermines their stories.

First, Christ Himself precluded the possibility that a Christian could be inhabited by demons. Using the illustration of a house, Jesus asks, "How can anyone enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man?" (Matthew 12:29). In the case of a demon-possessed person, the strong man is obviously the devil. In a Spirit-indwelt believer, however, the strong man is God. The fore of Christ's argument leads inexorably to the conclusion that, in order for demons to possess believers, they would first have to bind the one who occupies them - namely God Himself!

Furthermore, I discovered an equally airtight argument against Christian demonization in the Gospel of John. The Jews once again were accusing Jesus of being demon-possessed. Rather than circumvent their accusations., Jesus condescends to reach out to His accusers with reason. The essence of His argument is "I am not possessed by a demon" because "I honor my Father" (John 8:49). The point is impossible to miss: Being demon-possessed and honoring God are mutually exclusive categories.

Finally, Scripture does not contain a single credible example of a demonized believer. Instead, the consistent teaching of the Bible is that Christians cannot be controlled against their wills through demonic inhabitation. The principle is foolproof. If you are a follower of Christ, the King Himself indwells you. And you can rest assured that "the One who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world"(1 John 4:4)

1 John 4:4
You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

Dear Brother Chad,

This is a great post. At first when I read it, I didn't understand it much, but now I understood it.

The devil and his demons are very real and they are out to harass every Christian who lets his/her guard down.

Two things I try to do on a daily basis to keep my guard up: 1) Surrender my will and my life to the care of the Lord Jesus and 2) Know the scriptures. To try to fight spiritual battles by thumbing through the Bible for verses to use when under attack is like a soldier in the heat of battle running back to the armory to get ammunition. Chances are very good that you're going to get shot in the process.

SLE

Dear Brother SpiritLedEd,

Thank you so much for sharing this post with us. It is very much true. Demons cannot do anything to a Christian, unless and until he/she gives a chance.

God bless you.

 

[spirit1st]

That scripture of course is talking about the called and Not the ELECT.
The Elect have the HOLY GHOST, He NEVER leaves us ,Ever.
The HOLY GHOST and a demon could not dwell in the same body!
To think such a thing is ,Not good!

The ELECT are FEW, The CALLED are MANY.

When we read the Bible, We MUST think?is this about , the elects, THE CALLED or THE UNSAVED


also ,MY spirit or HIS.

Also the OLD or NEW testament.
As the NEW did not start ,Until Our LORD died on the CROSS and Paid the price for sin.

NO one EVER , was BORN of GOD before that time!

Knowing these things will greatly , help us in Understanding GODS HOLY WORDS!

 

[diday_saavedra]

possession

i could only remember twice i wrestled with the old man and his different principalities, i could not describe the details but onething it may either open door to bondage or add more to your confidence. you will know how to fight and i experienced just bringing with me the name of JESUS CHRIST. ITS A BOMB TO THEM..i may one time or maybe tellyou the details if im ready and i have the proper words i want to exactly tell you all about it. pls. pray. diday

 

[humbleman]

Can Christians Be Demonized?
By: Hank Hanegraaf

Over the years, I have read a wide variety of stories that claim to support the notion that Christians can be demonized. In the end, they all have one thing in common: They greatly overestimate the power and province of Satan. Some deliverance ministers make a more valiant attempt than others to provide a biblical basis for the contention that a Christian can be inhabited by a demon. Inevitably, however, Scripture itself undermines their stories.

First, Christ Himself precluded the possibility that a Christian could be inhabited by demons. Using the illustration of a house, Jesus asks, "How can anyone enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man?" (Matthew 12:29). In the case of a demon-possessed person, the strong man is obviously the devil. In a Spirit-indwelt believer, however, the strong man is God. The fore of Christ's argument leads inexorably to the conclusion that, in order for demons to possess believers, they would first have to bind the one who occupies them - namely God Himself!

Furthermore, I discovered an equally airtight argument against Christian demonization in the Gospel of John. The Jews once again were accusing Jesus of being demon-possessed. Rather than circumvent their accusations., Jesus condescends to reach out to His accusers with reason. The essence of His argument is "I am not possessed by a demon" because "I honor my Father" (John 8:49). The point is impossible to miss: Being demon-possessed and honoring God are mutually exclusive categories.

Finally, Scripture does not contain a single credible example of a demonized believer. Instead, the consistent teaching of the Bible is that Christians cannot be controlled against their wills through demonic inhabitation. The principle is foolproof. If you are a follower of Christ, the King Himself indwells you. And you can rest assured that "the One who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world"(1 John 4:4)

1 John 4:4
You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

I agree with all you have said."but if" you truly try to live and do the will of God, the devil is not going to rest his attacks at you. he is good at what he does,and has a lot of success to prove it, just look around.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

There is a difference between demon possession and demon oppression. Its true that a believer who is truly following hard after God cannot be possessed by a demon. However, demonic oppression (from the outside) is very real. Those guys aren't just sitting on their hands waiting for the time when they are cast into the pit.

SLE

 

[HisFollower]

response to Demons

I also agree that a true Christian could not be under demon possession, because as all of you point out, the scriptures confirm it so. Nevertheless, we are also warned to beware of falling away, which would leave one wide open to the assault of devils.
“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times, some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils”; and again, “Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall”; and again, “Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness”.
We also must not think of devils, or possession always in terms of an out of control person who is wild, rather we should also understand that it is in the terms of sinfulness. If I love money, I do indeed have an evil spirit of sin which is over-ruling righteousness; Deliberate, wilfull sin is of the devil, and I then am brought under its power, yes, it is by choice to deliberately sin, but it is also an unbelievers choice to at any time to repent, and be baptized for the remission of sins, and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. But again, if this spirit of sin to love money departs from me, and I merely make my outward appearance groomed and fresh, but I have left the sin untouched, then shall that spirit(demon) return with seven other spirits more wicked then itself, and I will be greatly more worse.
Being immoral, dishonest, and selfish is also under the power of sin, it controls the person because the person allows it. Being possessed with an unclean spirit is seldom a big dramatic display, but is common all around us daily in people who are determined to sin willfully. As for the true Christians, they will not leave any known sin untouched, but will do something about it; they will repent and reform.

 

[spirit1st]

A christain CANNOT fall away ,only the called can !

The NEW CREATURE is a New Perfect Spirit ,it cannot sin ,nor would it.
It has the mind of Christ and His Nature and hates being trapped in thisw weak dying ,sinful flesh!

It wants out of it!


if we do not understand the New creature? we will not have a good understanding of scriptures!
We also ? will live in fear, thinking we will mess up!

This is the NEW Creature GOD makes us . You judge HIM !


Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.


Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:


2Co 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.


Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

1Pe 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.


What does this mean to us ?

It means this ?

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.


here is the Problem ?
This scripture teaches us , if we can see it?
That our fleshly mind is mostly controlling our Spirit !

Co 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.


But ,I found? if we fast m,water only three full days we break every yoke and our inner man ,gains control over the flesh !



Isa 58:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
Isa 58:7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
Isa 58:8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rearward.
Isa 58:9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;


HE promises here? we break every yoke that binds us
We are healed
We hear HIM plainly .
I found this TRUE!

 

[carlos marquez]

If the Son sets you free ,you are free indeed.
Let's give God the glory for defeating every power
and every ruler of darkness in the highest places.