Christians & Demon Possession

[Gracealone]

Amen, this body of corruption cannot enter the kingdom of God, but this corruption will put on incorruption. 1Cor. 15:42 and 1Cor. 15:50-54
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:
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[sister]

demon possessed

Well Chad unfortunately I have seen many christians with demons it is not their spirit but the body and in their minds.Pigs in the parlor is a book that explains it all!I have been to and witnessed demons coming out of all sorts of people,non believers and belivers!!Been to many deliverance min and studied under John Echardt,he has had deliverance min for yrs!!!As so has Benny Hinn and others!!and we know illness is not from God so....demons cause illness!and mental illness esp. and I know plenty of chr.,that have or had mental illness and got deliverance and are ok now!!No more meds!!PTL!So unfortunately I have witnessed it and they have gotten delivered!!PTL!!Some have to see it to believe it!One day maybe you will?!Well lLove sister!

 

[carlos marquez]

Sister,your assertions of demon possesions are a direct asault on Christ,and if what you are saying is true, then what you are bombastically saying is that the cross of Christ had no effect on satan and all his demons.

and not only this,but you are quoting some of the most dangerous false teachers ever to appear on TBN,John Echardt,and Benny Hinn.

At the end of the day,it all comes down to this.

Are you going to ascribe all glory and all power to God and Him alone?
Or are you going to make satan and his demons a coequal with God?

The Mormons teach that satan and Jesus are brothers,in essence some evangelical Christians are doing the same by saying satan can overpower Christ and snatch believers out of His hand at will.

 

[letusgo27]

I think it is important to realise something. Jus because someone goes to church prays or does good deeds or knows their Bibles or speaks in tounguse etc does not mean they have the Holy Spirit. it also does not mean they are Christian.

many people today have decieved themselves into beleiving they are a Christian. Jesus warned of this constantly that we should not decieve ourselves. sometimes these people are genuine but genuinly decieved.

Now these people could be demon possesed but someone who truly has the Holy Spirit in them who truly follows Christ and is not decieved can never be possessed by a demon.

therfore if one becomes demon possesed then they are not truly Christian no matter how genuine they are. lets not fool ourselves people.

blessings all

 

[Gracealone]

Demons, and Christ ,will not dwell in the same body. He wont allow it!
If one is demon possessed they do not belong to God, and need deliverance.
I would say, that is what you witnessed.

 

[Ophel]

I have been a Christian since I was 10 years old and I had to renounce a demonic stronghold in my twenties. My own daughters have also and they came to Christ at an early age. One of my children had 4 demons that were undetectable until she became filled with the Holy Spirit. That is when they kicked up a fuss and made themselves known. Understandable, as they were suddenly confronted with great power!

Deliverance was had by all!

Demons indeed can find a place in a Christian's life. We are not talking POSSESSION--but it is just as devastating to the believer. They live comfortably in the mind parts--while the spirits of these people are born again, but the mind is not being allowed to be renewed.

I have noticed that it isn't unbelievers that are being ministered to by deliverance, but rather the Church. Just because someone declares faith in Jesus Christ doesn't mean they do not come with baggage and strongholds. They need dealing with--permissions need to be renounced.

Jesus is Lord!

 

[His_will_i_am]

Just some food for thought....

I'd just like to add two things to this debate:

1.There is Scriptural reference to an instance of God removing His Spirit from an individual.

2. We are commanded, present tense, to be filled with His Spirit and this is after we have already been filled or born-again.

 

[El Hombre viejo]

Having read these posts, I find I'm feeling really down. Thirty years ago my Lady and I were kicked out of our church because we believed that God could deliver Christians from demons.

We learned that demon possession and having a demon were two totally different things. The church assembly panicked, like a bunch of hogs on a packing house floor though, and chased us away. All we did was to ask questions of the pastor. We did not preach anything as we were only learning.

My feeling down now though is because I thought that in thirty years the church would have learned something! Instead, Christians are spouting the same old blat.

Possession is the 'state of being totally owned by..." Ok?
NO!! A Christian CANNOT be possessed by a demon.

YES! A Christian CAN have a demon in their body.

When you were born again, the Holy Spirit came into your spirit.
You are still responsible to work our your deliverance with fear and trembling. You are still responsible to get the gunk out. Renew your minds with the Word. Take dominion in the earth.

Look in the Word! What comes to you automatically? NOTHING.

You had to act to get saved. You have to act to get healed. You have to act to get anything in the new life you are living. You have to believe His Word. Believing is not just saying "That's right!" Its acting on it!

Sickness, poverty, depression, family splits, or a load of strife in a family are ALL a result of demons.

When it comes down to it though, does it really matter whether the demon is in, on or writing letters to you? No. What matters is that YOU have dominion over these foul beasts. Take this dominion and send them packing.

Stop the stupid fighting about it. Just do it!!

 

[diday_saavedra]

Christians and demon Posession

Hi El hombre Viejo, During the time when Jesus is ministering, there were already such what we say demon posession. And evidently we can find accounts of Him driving demons. When He sent His deciples to share the good news, He said that they will also do what He does in HIs name. We can see that while they are sharing they are being followed by wonders, They prayed for people and they check it out always what happened after they prayed for anyone. In our times today, we christians are all preachers, we share the good news and pray for them coz we are blessed and we are to bless others too. In our church we call Kamuning Bible Christian Fellowship we believe in what the bible says. Including all the wonders, driving demons and breaking bondages follows the believers. We must be so in love with Jesus, drunk with Jesus and He in the center of our life. I understand all what you mean in your thread and I pray that you will get more readings and teachings about this subject and the Holy Spirit fill you more and more everyday. We need proactive christians and with your thread,you are a lover of Jesus and the world needs one like you. May the Holy Spirit fill you and give you more wisdom, bless you and your family with zealousness and abundance.

 

[TeknoMiramixxer]

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I guess commonly when one is obsessed or has a Demon in their body one might like to generally call it Demonic Possession.

We see in Matthew 4 that Jesus was able to cast out Demons. This Church should not have done anything wrong to these people but rather to help them. When a person is in trouble with demons they are in more trouble than anything else.

The problem is most do not know what to do in these situations. They panic. I myself don’t know how to drive them out. But I would call around if I knew someone was possessed for sure no pastor will be of any good if that person does not listen to God.

The Demons will bother them in other ways if not inside their temple. Inside your temple is your own soul. When one has a demon spirit inside your soul and their spirit is in your temple at the same time. This could be very dangerous get someone qualified someone who understands about these things. They need to let and look into why these things are happening and to let the person know how to take control over this. For example just picking up the Bible and reading it won’t make them go away its going to take a lot more than that on their part.

 

[stijmonkey]

I have been reading this for a while and i have to agree with the scripture a Christian walking with the spirit or light within him cannot be possessed but only influenced but i think a lot of people are getting confused because they have seen Christians being possessed which i have also and by possessed i mean completely taken over.

I was at a youth bible camp several years ago and we were in a church service praying at the front, one of my friends fell over, no big deal we sometimes see this when people are hit with the holy spirit powerfully, so we lifted him back up, it happened again we stood him up again, it happened one more time so we decided to leave him on the ground, he then started to twitch a little, and then suddenly opened his eyes very wide and sat up(he was on his back) very quickly as if he just awoke and was startled, he then looked around him at people praying and started freaking out and he scurried back towards the chairs as if he was afraid and kicking his feet to scoot himself back with inhuman speed as he neared the chairs(all of them being empty) they all blasted back into a large semi circle without touching any of them and without flipping over.

We then sat him on a chair and gathered around him to pray, he was twitching a little while we were praying then his head shot up when someone mentioned the name of Jesus out loud he stared right into the eyes of one of the pastors and in a very non human voice said "i hate Jesus and i hate you(talking to the pastor)" after a while we cast it out

Now this is a very clear case of total controlling possession of a "christian" and for me it was God that confirmed it to be genuine as while we were praying for him God spoke to me and told me to lay my hand on his head, i was young and scared so i hesitated it wasnt a minute later when the pastor mentioned above turned to everyone and said God is telling me that we all need to lay our hands on his head, needless to say my hand was on his head before he even finished the sentence and it was after that when we rebuked the demon and got through to the person who then repeated the name of Jesus casting the demon out.

So again full possession not just influence of a "christian" but here is where i think the confusion lies, if that christian has turned from god in this case listening to a lot of well demonic music and not praying ect. in which case he tied up his own strong man and extinguished whatever light he had in him allowing the darkness to come in, Isaiah 59:2 "But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear." So he extinguished his light allowing darkness to enter and allowing to be possessed because he had turned from God and was Backslidden but to many who did not know he was still a Christian in their eyes therefore the appearance of a Christian being possessed.

So please do not be confused when the scripture says a christian with the holy spirit and Jesus inside him cannot be possessed then they can NOT be possessed but when a christian has extinguished his light and effectively shut Jesus and the Holy spirit out of themselves perhaps without even knowing it, Matthew 7:22-23<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-23339"> "22</sup> Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-23340">23</sup> Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’" then yes it becomes possible for a "christian" to become possessed, hope that clears up a little confusion God Bless

 

[jari]

stijmonkey I guess he was part of church and being christian but wasnt really born again.. And didnt have holy spirit..

 

[stijmonkey]

Precisely my point what I was saying is that "Christians" can be possessed of they were not born again or if they once were but have since turned from God knowingly or not

 

[jari]

Precisely my point what I was saying is that "Christians" can be possessed of they were not born again or if they once were but have since turned from God knowingly or not

I don't think born again can be possessed because they are always supposed to have Holy spirit Ephesians 4:30.
Even they would turn away from the Lord..

 

[stijmonkey]

I don't think born again can be possessed because they are always supposed to have Holy spirit Ephesians 4:30.
Even they would turn away from the Lord..

This is a good Scripture thanx for bringing it up, but to clear things up you must look at the context from which the scripture comes, it is telling you how to keep free/clean from sin and sinning will bring sorrow to the holy spirit that dwells within you until you repent and turn away from that sin, it does NOT however say that because you said a prayer once and accepted the holy spirit and even if you turn away from god that you are still saved and have a place in heaven.

Again look at Matthew 7:23 Jesus will say I never knew you, even though they were once born again, if you turn your back on God and do not repent and continue to seek Jesus then the holy spirit and Jesus will depart and it will be as if they did not know you. And I can not stress that enough I hope this clears things up God bless you brother

 

[jari]

This is a good Scripture thanx for bringing it up, but to clear things up you must look at the context from which the scripture comes, it is telling you how to keep free/clean from sin and sinning will bring sorrow to the holy spirit that dwells within you until you repent and turn away from that sin, it does NOT however say that because you said a prayer once and accepted the holy spirit and even if you turn away from god that you are still saved and have a place in heaven.

Again look at Matthew 7:23 Jesus will say I never knew you, even though they were once born again, if you turn your back on God and do not repent and continue to seek Jesus then the holy spirit and Jesus will depart and it will be as if they did not know you. And I can not stress that enough I hope this clears things up God bless you brother

It really doesnt say in ephasians that you could loose Holy spirit. Only grief HS. Which proably isnt good thing but I think we should take the bible literally on what it says and not draw our own conclusions of what something means. For if it did mean what you are saying then why didnt God just say so in the first place?
Instead it talks about grieving HS not loosing.

the whole point in being sealed by HS seems to be that you have it always.

Another verse where it says the same thing:
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

I think Paul was warning believers to not take part of sins and works of darkness reminding them they are infact light. Because as long as we see people doing these things we maybe tempted also to take their ways and our old ways the used to walk as unbelievers.


Also when it says "I never knew you" i think it means God really never knew them..
Remember how judas was doing miracles too but in the end betrayed Jesus. They hadnt received the HS yet.

 

[lioncub]

Precisely my point what I was saying is that "Christians" can be possessed of they were not born again or if they once were but have since turned from God knowingly or not

That is simply not true ! I have had this confirmed to me recently by the Spirit of God and there is no example of this occurring in scripture. A born again Christian can certainly be tempted by Satan, but never possessed. How wayward they are is irrelevant.

 

[stijmonkey]

These are good points, I do take that Scripture literally It does say that you will grieve the HS and doesn't say anything about losing him because it would be out of context and it isnt what those scriptures are trying to get across and yes Judas hadn't received the holy spirit yet, but Jesus is very plain and literal he says I never knew you not God never knew you, that being said I would like to do a little more research concerning this and delve a little more into the Scripture so I will return to this point a little later if I may, because as of now I'm replying with my phone at work and i can't look up any scriptures

 

[jari]

These are good points, I do take that Scripture literally I does say that you will grieve the HS and doesn't say anything about losing him because it would out of context and it isnt what those scriptures are trying to get across and yes Judas hadn't received the holy spirit yet, but Jesus is very plain and literal he says I never knew you not God never knew you, that being said I would like to do a little more research concerning this and delve a little more into the Scripture so I will return to this point a little later if I may, because as of now I'm replying with my phone at work and i can't look up any scriptures

Ok Brother. I just wonder what you mean by Jesus never know them vs God never knew them.. Jesus is God become in flesh.

Also about the God knowing you part i think about these verses:


Joh 10:27-30 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: (28) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. (29) My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. (30) I and my Father are one.

Actually Bible teaches we were predestinated. Like it says in Those verses too.

And here:

Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

And here paul talks about him spreading the gospel:

2Ti 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

 

[stijmonkey]

Ok maybe I misunderstood something you said earlier "when it says I never knew I think it means God never really knew them" I thought you were trying to say that scripture was saying Jesus still knew them but God did not which confused me because as you said God and Jesus are the same, and no man could ever pluck you from Gods hand but it doesn't say you can't jump out by yourself, and the other scripture says we have to obtain our predestined inheritance so doesn't that imply that we can either not obtain it or let go of that inheritance? Again I'm not sure and have to do more research but i just wanna say that either way it doesn't affect my testimony or God confirming it because I'm 99% sure that my friend very well may not have truly been born again