Drinking and clubs???

[Sybs]

I agree with armenian. Well said. I think if alchohol is your weakness, and you've had some problems in the past, then i would think that you should stay away from it, temptation etc. But again thats the kind of thing one should hear from the Lord himself, the Holy Spirit will tell you when you're doing wrong. It's too hard to look to another and tell him he's wrong when you don't really know his circumstances.

 

[TimK]

Alright. But now you mentioned about Jesus drinking wine at weddings. Let me tell you something, the wine what your refering to doesn't contain alcohol, it is grape wine obtained from the wine-press. I hope I made my point clear to you.

I have not seen or heard of any proof that the wine Jesus drank was non alcoholic grape wine. Wine by definition is an alcoholic beverage. I have heard this theory, that the wine back then was non alcoholic or contained much less alcohol than the wine today. I would like to see some proof of these claims.

Although I am not an expert I used to brew my own beer and I understand the basics of this process as well as the history behind alcoholic beverages. The way wine is made today in many places is done virtually the same way it has been done it for centuries, except for the modern equipment.

Yeast comes from a "wild" bacteria that is found almost everywhere. Without modern sanitation it would be extremely difficult if not impossible to keep wild yeast from contaminating the juice, especially in an open air wine press. It wasn't until the last couple of century's that people began to understand this wild yeast was responsible for the fermentation in the first place. Ancient brewers would blame witches if they had a rare batch that didn't ferment.

John 2.9-2.11 "When the steward tasted the water that had become wine , and did not know where it had came from, the steward called the bridegroom and said to him "Everyone serves the good wine first, and then the inferior wine after the guests had become drunk. But you kept the good wine until now." Jesus did this, the first of his signs, in Cana of Galilee, and revealed his glory; and his disciples believed in him."

Clearly the wine mentioned throughout the bible was indeed fermented wine as Jesus himself had turned water into wine. I don't want to seem harsh but I don't like the idea people have come up with that this was non alcoholic wine. It seems like they are just taking the easy way out on this subject.

The bible clearly mentions drunkenness as sinful but makes no sinful mention of simply drinking an alcoholic beverage. Drinking in moderation (1-3 drinks depending on body weight) has proven health benefits. Likewise drinking more than this has proven health risks.

I myself no longer get drunk or buzzed. The Holy spirit is also guiding me away from drinking at all because I have had many problems with alcohol in the past. If I am mistaken about anything I have said please feel free to correct me with verifiable fact and I will Humbly apologize. I just want to make sure we get the facts straight.

P.S. I also feel that bars and clubs are dens of the devil and I have felt very uncomfortable in them.

 

[TimK]

I do agree with you RICHIE about the fact that drinking even in moderation can be like playing with fire. I know personally that a couple of well intentioned drinks can turn into just one more, just one more and so on, through the temptations of the devil.

Anyone who has the potential for, or has had problems with substance abuse should stay far away from alcohol. If someone takes the stand of never making an acception with regards to alcohol the whole problem ceases to be an issue. ((( hint, hint. for all of you teenagers:wink))

 

[Chad]

This is a teenager forum. So, to all the teenagers reading this - your not allowed to drink. Its illegal and quite honestly, its very likely your not mature yet to handle any drinking at all. Drinking is a serious matter for people your age (teens, young adults) and many are not mature nor wise in their judgments.

Do you want to mess up your life over a "few beers"? Let's face it teens, you go to a high school party full of booze and what have you, your very likely going to get drunk. Then what are those regrets that commonly happen?

- wedlock (sex, newborn child, no intentions of marrying each other)
- possibly drunken driving and possible deaths/injury

Is it worth it? If your regrets come alive, where did your temporary "let's get drunk" joy go after? It left you, but your consequences are still here and they're not leaving at all. What then? The devil is a liar.

 

[Sybs]

At Richie> "Alright. But now you mentioned about Jesus drinking wine at weddings. Let me tell you something, the wine what your refering to doesn't contain alcohol, it is grape wine obtained from the wine-press. I hope I made my point clear to you."

That's your quote.

But the previous post you quoted the Bible saying that "one should not get drunk on wine". That implies that it must have alchohol in, doesn't it?
Just a thought... :wink:

 

[Richie]

At Richie> "Alright. But now you mentioned about Jesus drinking wine at weddings. Let me tell you something, the wine what your refering to doesn't contain alcohol, it is grape wine obtained from the wine-press. I hope I made my point clear to you."

That's your quote.

But the previous post you quoted the Bible saying that "one should not get drunk on wine". That implies that it must have alchohol in, doesn't it?
Just a thought... :wink:

Dear sister,

These two contexts are different. Most of Jesus' teachings were on wine, wineskins and vineyards, but it is clear that He never focussed His discussion on Alcohol. You see to what Jesus is compared to in:

Revelation 19:15: .........and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Now you may ask something about the winepress. These scripture make it clear of how the wine was made during the times of Jesus:

Revelation 14:19-20:

Verse 19: So the angel swung his sickle on the earth and loaded the grapes into the great winepress of God’s wrath.

Verse 20: And the grapes were trodden in the winepress outside the city,........

Now you may say, it is the revelation (it is about the future). But the reason why John was able to write from his vision this description about the winepress is because it was in Bible times that the winepress was like this, and in this manner wine was made.

Even in this verse it is made clear about how wine was made:

Isaiah 16:10:..........The treading out of grapes in the winepresses has ceased forever. I have ended all their harvest joys.

So the wine what Jesus drank in the last supper is grape wine.

But here in this verse:

Ephesians 5:18: "And be not drunk with Wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;"

The context is different because it has a message of warning from God. This context should surely talk about alcohol.

I hope I made it clear enough.

God bless you.

 

[TimK]

Revelation 14:19-20:

Verse 19: So the angel swung his sickle on the earth and loaded the grapes into the great winepress of God’s wrath.

Verse 20: And the grapes were trodden in the winepress outside the city,........

These verses are only refering to how the juice was extracted from the grapes, nothing more. The fermentation process that produces the alcohol would happen on its own after this, which is probably why it wouldn't be mentioned. Their work was done after using the wine press.

Isaiah 16:10:..........The treading out of grapes in the winepresses has ceased forever. I have ended all their harvest joys.

This also doesn't tell us anything about the wine that they used to drink. I am confused it seems you may be misunderstanding some terminology or something. Grape wine by definition is an alcoholic beverage. I think what you are refering to is grape juice. The Bible makes no distinction between grape juice and grape wine; both of wich are made by first running the grapes through a wine press. But the Bible clearly states that people can become drunk on this wine and doing so is a sin.

More on topic though, what Chad said is absolutely right. First and foremost it is illegal for anyone under 21 to drink. I have also seen and heard of countless stories of peoples nights ending in disaster because of alcohol. I can't remember how many times I woke up hung over totally regretting my actions the night before. The euphoric feeling alcohol gives is a lie plain and simple. Some "harmless" fun can have life long implications.

 

[feiyie]

This is a teenager forum. So, to all the teenagers reading this - your not allowed to drink. Its illegal and quite honestly, its very likely your not mature yet to handle any drinking at all. Drinking is a serious matter for people your age (teens, young adults) and many are not mature nor wise in their judgments.

Do you want to mess up your life over a "few beers"? Let's face it teens, you go to a high school party full of booze and what have you, your very likely going to get drunk. Then what are those regrets that commonly happen?

- wedlock (sex, newborn child, no intentions of marrying each other)
- possibly drunken driving and possible deaths/injury

Is it worth it? If your regrets come alive, where did your temporary "let's get drunk" joy go after? It left you, but your consequences are still here and they're not leaving at all. What then? The devil is a liar.

I agree with yah. As Christians, we should avoid things that could lead us to sin. Even if you drink a drop of alcohol, Satan will tempt you to drink more. Could be through your friend or you liked the taste and all.

 

[Property Of God]

You know, just reading everyone's reflection on that, made me happy.
I've always respected you Chad, but now you made me double that respect... God bless you my good friend.

 

[By His Grace]

Sincerely, am just shocked on the comments of some few members.....May the Holy Ghost help us.

I personally think drinking is bad. My spirit convicts me so, cant even think about it, this is the temple of God. it doesnt matter the quantity whether a drop or 3 bottles that is sin. As for clubs i dont club and it's also wrong, i'll be convicted of this.

Please let's all be aware and very cautious of the advice we are giving out especially this is a teen thread, Ask yourself, is the advice your giving building or destroying? Will it glorify God?

 

[Property Of God]

I've never been to a club, I just don't fit in, and I don't want to fit in, I've gotten drunk with friends twice and it only only ends in trouble, it is useless to drink, even " socially ".

You are thirsity? Have some juice, at least you won't have a beer belly!
It's a waste of time and resources:
1) Hangover
2) Calories
3) Harmful
4) You aren't sure what you are saying, even if you think you are still sober.
5) I don't wanna sound dumb, but it really tastes bad!

 

[joshuamclean]

Drinking isn't a sin, even Jesus drank wine. I'm not a big fan of alcoholic, because I find them not very nice. I prefer water over wine.. lol.

Last year, I went to a pub with friends. And the place has hardcore rap music going, with flashing light. I only drank water at the time, but when I look around the place was full of sexual immortality. The way girls dress, ouch. Most of their skin is showing.. "Run of sexual immortality, no sin affects the body greater than this one." - I'm pretty sure the bible said that..

Getting drunk makes us easier to fall into temptation, because we no longer care about what other people think (and God).

Please pray for me, as I'm going through the rough sea at the moment, and my desire to sink is getting stronger. As soon as I cross the sea, things will become more calmer...

 

[redfox]

"Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead be filled with the Spirit."

We are temples of the living God and we have to maintain purity. Though your sins are like scarlett they shall be white as snow (Isaiah1:18). We have been washed by the blood of Jesus and we no longer conform to the way of this world (Romans 12:2). Drinking alcohol is not in itself a sin, but sin is just around the corner. we need to guard our hearts, for it is the wellspring of life (proverbs 4:23). Alcohol leads so quickly so sin and like joshua said, it causes us to be be tempted, especially sexually. Whatever we do we do it for the glory of God (1 Cor 10:31) and we clearly do not glorify God when we are drunk.

Also, for every pint I buy at the pub, I could have bought and smuggled in 3 Chinese Bibles. Which is more important for the kingdom of God??

About clubs. We have to be SO careful. They are so often places of immorality and it is SO easy to slip into sin. I go clubbing a lot. I know some may be critical on here. But let me explain why. Paul said that he has become all things to all men, so that by some means he might save some. A lot of my friends at university go clubbing and I have felt led by God to join them. I want to forcefully advance the kingdom of God and this is one way which I can do it. I go clubbing filled up with the Holy Spirit. I do not drink. I do not let my eyes wander. I do LOVE dancing and as I dance I pray and intercess (in dancing and prayers) for my friends who I am with claiming them for the kingdom in the name of Jesus. I pray so hard before I go and I pray that I can serve God in the dark places. We are the light of the world and he have to go into darkness and I believe that this is something that I have been called to do. It is very hard because there is so much demonic attack and sexual temptation, but my eyes are on Jesus and he has been doing amazing things through it. I can't tell my friends not to drink, they make their own choices. However, when I am supporting them as they through up into the gutter I can tell them that Jesus loves them. When I walk them home and put them to bed I can pray with them and love them.

*DISCLAIMER*

This is something I have been called to by God. Please be so careful before going clubbing and think VERY hard about your motives. we are immitators of God, not man (Eph 5:1). Always pray for protection and for the Holy Spirit to do before you.

I hope this has been helpful. We have the mind of Christ rememberr (1 Cor 2 ish) and we should not mess up that mind with drunkeness.

Be blessed y'all!

Love jack

 

[Etienne Marais]

I am compleatly against stuff like beer and wine. There is Alchol in and alchol is very daingerous. As a Christian I would like to tell people alchol is not good for your body and why I am against alchol.

 

[StraightToVideo]

I plan on going to clubs when I'm 21 I see no problem with it

I like having a couple drinks now and then

Some of you sound so judgmental with what you say, be careful about that

 

[Giggles4God]

I have one thing I wanted to comment on.

Someone said that Jesus wouldn't set foot into a bar...not the exact words...do you even understand who Jesus was? He didn't come for the well, but the sick and dying...the sinner. I would be surprised if Jesus DIDN'T go into a bar/club etc. He would have talked with people...shown them a better way.

Because someone doesn't see things the way you do, does not mean God isn't watching them and you. God knows the heart better than all of us. How can we call ourselves Christians when we throw sins in the face of the sinner looking for grace and mercy?

How can we be love if don't go to the dark places and shine the light? Jesus is the Light of the World...but if He isn't taken to the darkness...how does His light shine?

Remember Jesus touched the leper, talked to the Samaritan woman, rebuked the Pharisees, etc. He did the unthinkable...the things only He can do.

Let Holy Spirit convict hearts that are running into disaster. It isn't for you or me to say who is doing wrong if it isn't against God. Holy Spirit convicts us all...convict us Holy Spirit. Show us the way! Guide us in Your Truth!

 

[Chad]

For those who are for going into bars, clubs and those shady kind of plans for the purpose of preaching - what about "gentlemen's clubs"? Would you go in there and preach too?

My point is you should let the Holy Spirit guide you to whom/where to preach. Don't jump to conclusions about what Jesus would do. Don't forget our times are much different then when our Savior walked the earth. Back then, they did not have bars, clubs that we do.

Jesus being the "light" does not mean we are ought to go preaching in the darkness. This is not even related to what Jesus meant when He said He is the light.

I never hear evangelists or missionaries for example going into bars, clubs, nude clubs, etc to preach to people. This is unheard of.

Will you go to a strip club now and preach there?

StraightToVideo, as for your post you sound very naive but perhaps thats expected at your age. Just keep in mind there are elders here with experience so they have reasons to say what they say. Just because you think one way does not make it the right way in the eyes of GOD. Are you being a good example to your unbelieving friends when you have "a couple of drinks"? How is it your having a couple of drinks every now and then and you're not 21 yet? In the U.S. you must be 21, so where are you drinking these drinks?

WWJD? Thats the question.

 

[StraightToVideo]

first off; just because you think it may be wrong just means thats your opinion and your entitled to it, doesnt mean its right. anyway wuts everyone got against techno ?

you wanna know where i get my drinks? okay. weddings and when i have a few extra bucks too spend. where i live its legal for minors to drink under the parents supervision..so my parents let me.

 

[Etienne Marais]

I agree with this.

 

[dragokatzov]

My decision not to drink (maybe the very odd occasional one) predates my decision to turn to Christ
I use to be a college student in an engineering program... good thing there wasn't a bar on campus thats all i have to say! quite frankly put, its out right poison. I am trying to take better care of my body, and keep my warranty! lol
as for clubs, if you decide to go out to just dance and have fun, nothing wrong with that. but beware creepy drunk people!