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The mods are certainly aware of both of your attitudes on this this thread @Shaolin @AnneOminous
You are both full of pride and arrogance
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God
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The mods are certainly aware of both of your attitudes on this this thread @Shaolin @AnneOminous
You are both full of pride and arrogance
You are projecting yourself onto me…
I find it odd that you would only focus upon my words; which I provided scripture that you seemed to have overlooked.
Have a good day Shaolin.
“And apparently the Mods seem to pick up on this enough, as to not ban me.”
AnneOminous was actually quoting my words here.
Which if you read back, with the rest of what I was saying, is that even though I don’t hold the Christian Title, and am not associated with any denominations, I still have and hold the Testamony of Jesus Christ within me, making me a Child of God, which is the only title/Label I claim; in response of Shaolin asking why the Mods allow me here if I don’t claim to be a Christian. Which I responded too in my post.
It would seem that this is directed too me also; In case you haven’t read my whole response, I will give it again….
I speak to this: Which testified to my experience growing up. What I heard; Growing up Observing this Creation and everything in it….
Job 12:7-10
“But now ask the beasts, and let them teach you;
And the birds of the heavens, and let them tell you.
“Or speak to the earth, and let it teach you;
And let the fish of the sea declare to you.
“Who among all these does not know
That the hand of the Lord has done this,
Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
Psalm 19:1-2
The heavens are telling of the glory of God;
And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands.
Day to day pours forth speech,
And night to night reveals knowledge.
Psalm 8:1-9
O Lord, our Lord,
How majestic is Your name in all the earth,
Who have displayed Your splendor above the heavens!
From the mouth of infants and nursing babes You have established strength
Because of Your adversaries,
To make the enemy and the revengeful cease.
When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers,
The moon and the stars, which You have ordained;
read more.
Psalm 36:5
Your lovingkindness, O Lord, extends to the heavens,
Your faithfulness reaches to the skies….
Psalm136:5
To Him who made the heavens with skill,
For His lovingkindness is everlasting;
John6:45
“It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.
Psalm 8:2
Out of the mouths of infants and nursing babes You have established strength Because of Your adversaries, That You might silence the enemy and make the revengeful cease.
Yes, Nature speaks (too) his Nature. His Glory. His Knowledge. Which I picked up on growing up. I was so excited when I first came across these verses. As it testified to what I had found, or picked up on. Truly as a young child….
All of this Has to do with The Spirit of Life, because The Spirit of Life is in Everything. Just gotta pick your head up sometimes and Listen. And so shall you see also!
Jeremiah 7
Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: “Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices, and eat the flesh. 22 For in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, I did not speak to your fathers or command them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices. 23 But this command I gave them: ‘Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be my people. And walk in all the way that I command you, that it may be well with you.’
**(Which is what Jesus what Jesus echoed)**
24 But they did not obey or incline their ear, but walked in their own counsels and the stubbornness of their evil hearts, and went backward and not forward. 25From the day that your fathers came out of the land of Egypt to this day, I have persistently sent all my servants the prophets to them, day after day. 26 Yet they did not listen to me or incline their ear, but stiffened their neck. They did worse than their fathers.
Ezekiel 2:28
“Her prophets whitewash these deeds for them by false visions and lying divinations. They say, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says’—when the LORD has not spoken.
Jeremiah 23:25
"I have heard the sayings of the prophets who prophesy lies in My name: 'I had a dream! I had a dream!'
Jeremiah 28:15
Then the prophet Jeremiah said to the prophet Hananiah, "Listen, Hananiah! The LORD did not send you, but you have persuaded this people to trust in a lie.
Lamentations 2:14
The visions of your prophets were empty and deceptive; they did not expose your guilt to ward off your captivity. The burdens they envisioned for you were empty and misleading.
Ezekiel 13:2
"Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Tell those who prophesy out of their own imagination: Hear the word of the LORD!
Ezekiel 13:6
They see false visions and speak lying divinations. They claim, 'Thus declares the LORD,' when the LORD did not send them; yet they wait for the fulfillment of their message.
Ezekiel 13:7
Haven't you seen a false vision and spoken a lying divination when you proclaim, 'Thus declares the LORD,' even though I have not spoken?
Ezekiel 21:29
while they offer false visions for you and lying divinations about you--to be placed on the necks of the wicked who are slain, whose day has come, the time of their final punishment.
**Wolves
Zephaniah 3:3
Her princes within her are roaring lions,
Her judges are wolves at evening;
They leave nothing for the morning.
Acts 20:29
I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;
Ezekiel 22:27
Her princes within her are like wolves tearing the prey, by shedding blood and destroying lives in order to get dishonest gain.
Matthew 7:15
“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Matthew 10:16
“Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves.
Luke 10:3
Go; behold, I send you out as lambs in the midst of wolves.
**Anti-Christs
1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3
and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
1 John 2:18
Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.
2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
Matthew 24:24
Verse Concepts
For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
***The wheat and the tares were said to let be grown together. Why would you presume that the book put together in his name would be any different? For it makes you 100 dependent and Reliant upon Him. And also makes you reveal who you follow and serve! For he has a purpose in Everything he does. Revealing that purpose to those who Trust him, and follow his voice, as it echo across Everything. For those with the eyes and ears to pick up on!
***If what is written in the Bible, Goes against Nature/ Natural Law(creation), then it is not from him. For he revealed himself through his Creation First. Then the prophets when we had fallen even deeper. Not forgetting about the warning of false prophets, It was all Oral before it was written. Each chapter a book of its own. Until it was compiled in to…..”The Book of Salvation”.
If it didn’t have to do with Salvation, then the “book” was not included. This does not negate other books that were not included. For it didn’t have to do with Salvation! But our God provided Himself, across this whole planet, for those to find should they want to know more about him, than what he offers….
Like a wife would search out the deepest parts of her husband heart, for more than just his abilities to provide for the household. It’s what that kind of Live does. And could care less about what he provides, or his abilities to do so…..
All must be born again and be given a “new spirit” ; both Jew and Gentile alike. And ALL SCRIPTURE can be used to confirm this Truth.
I’m glad you quoted this….
What do you consider scripture?
I’m glad you quoted this….
What do you consider scripture?
There is One Spirit…
“Ephesians 4:4-6
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
That verse is about our body.
You did not answer my question…
What is the difference between Jesus and Christ? Do you notice how it is used differently in scripture?
And what does a house/tent symbolize?
I just read this 4different ways…lol
I will leave it at that! But I’m with you for the most part
This reminds of a parable I came across the other day….
The premise:
The earth is a realm in which we can plant and yield fruits, giving rise to new life which was not there beforehand. Man's kinship with the ground, therefore, hints to his greatest potential.
“
Before creating Adam, God said, "Let us make man" in the plural. With whom could God possibly partner when creating humankind? According to one approach, He consulted with His ministering angels and asked them what they thought about creating man. A fierce debate ensued.
Some of the angels argued against creating man and others were in favor. For example, the angel representing kindness was for man's creation, for man bestows kindness. Truth opposed man's creation, since humans are full of lies. God heard these arguments, and finally seized the angel representing truth and hurled it onto the ground, as it says in the verse, "and He threw truth to the ground" and created man anyway. The other angels protested. How could God abandon truth, which is known as His signature? God responded "may truth rise from the ground" and our Sages then cited the verse, "truth shall grow from the ground."
**The Maharal of Prague explained that throwing truth to the ground was by no means a rejection of truth. It was an investment in truth. The proof is in the verse our Sages used to explain the revival of truth: "truth shall grow from the ground." God never rejected truth; instead He planted in the ground.
The metaphor of the ground and its centrality in man's name is no coincidence. The simple act of planting a seed is a powerful symbol of man's potential.
Therein lies the secret of God's sowing truth. There is a very physical side to every human, and often it brings us to places of rot and decay, places in which we can wreak more havoc on creation than the most destructive animal. Yet we also have the ability to transcend that downward pull and grow from the earth into something greater with almost unlimited potential.
Every person has the ability to decompose and succumb to the earthly pull, or to defy the gravity of physicality and elect to follow more spiritual pursuits. Like the ground, man can produce a virtually unlimited bounty of fruits. Man's decision to live on a higher plane is infinitely more meaningful than an angel's spiritual existence since it is the result of man's choice and rejection of his lower self, or his channeling it to a higher place. We all have ups and downs, but we can choose the realm with which we most identify and whether or not we will bounce back after we have fallen.
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The Holy Bible
How do you decide this? Have you read anything out side of it?
The book of Enoch? Jasher? Maccabees? The Secret book of John? The Gospel of Truth?
What parameters do you use to determine what is scripture and what isn’t?
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No it was directed to this poster below….
AnneOminous said:
Then MEN assembled those stories and bound them in a book.... actually 66 or 80 books depending on who you ask- and called it the Bible. That is NOT the word of God.
Gotcha
It’s not far from the Truth though. As each book was put with other books, to read as one whole book; decided by a council of men. And each denomination decides what they will accept as scripture from the 66- 80/81(such as the Ethiopian: which contains the Book of Enoch)
Hence my previous question about your parameters for deciding what is scripture and what isn’t….as everyone seems to have their own…
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No it’s not about our body, it is about the “body of Christ” the Church. In order to be in that One body you must be “ born again” from above by God’s Holy Spirit.
We are not firstborn with a “Divine nature” as you have suggested. We are firstborn of the “flesh” with a “sin nature” which is why you need to be “born again”.
The house/ tent symbolizes our body, which is meant for God’s Holy Spirit to dwell. But in order for God to dwell in your body you must be “born again”.
It is your sins and sin nature that separate you from God. Which is why you must be born again and made a “ new man” in Christ.
And yes I know who Christ is, but do you?
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Yes I’ve read other things, but hold to the Holy Bible as the written words of God.
I know this because when Christ entered into me it was those same words written in the Holy Bible that also entered into me by way of the Holy Spirit.
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When you are born again from above by the Holy Spirt, Christ enters into you, and gives unto you an understanding into His words and guides you into all Truth by the Spirit of Truth.
That is how I know when someone is not speaking the Truth according to God’s Word.
That is also how I know you are not speaking the Truth by the Spirit of Christ.
We are not firstborn with a “Divine nature” as you suggest. You must be born again of the Holy Spirit in order to receive the Divine nature of God in Christ.
I see what’s going on here…lol
What does it mean to be “born again”? From above? Or anew?
What does it mean to have a divine nature?
If our bodies are the Temple of God, and we are living stones that build it, and Christ is our head (but we have the mind of Christ!!!), and many members(limbs) that work according to his purpose….then how is that Not talking about our body(?)….lol
Especially when a human body is used as the metaphors and analogy; for it fractled on a grand scale; Using Denominations….
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EPHESIANS 4
Unity and Maturity in the Body of Christ
1As a prisoner for the Lord, then,>> I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. <<<
2Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love.
>>>3Make every effort to keep the **unity of the Spirit** through the bond of peace!. <<<
4There is One body and One Spirit, ***just as you were called to One hope when you were called; ***5One Lord, ***One faith, ***One baptism; >>>6One God and Father of all, who is _over_ all and ~through~ all and (in) all.<<<
(Can’t be separated
(((Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is *One!)))
7But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. 8This is why it says:
“When he ascended on high,
he took many captives
and gave gifts to his people.”
>>>9(What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? 10He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) <<<
(That one is deeeep!!!)
11So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12to !equip his people for works of service,
>>>so that the body of Christ (multiple meanings) may be built up 13until ~we all~ reach unity in the faith/ and in the knowledge of the Son of God/— and become mature, —///attaining to the *whole measure* of the _fullness_ of Christ.<<<
>>>14Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.<<<
*** 15Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will ~grow~ to become in ~every respect~ ….the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ. ***
>16From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, ~grows~ and _builds itself up in love_, as each part does its! work.<<<
17So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. <<<
>>>18They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God <<<!!!
>>>because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. <<<
>>>19Having lost all sensitivity,<<<
they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, and they are full of greed.
***20That, however, is not the way of life you learned 21when you heard about Christ and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. ***
(What is the Difference between Christ and Jesus?)
>>>22You were taught, with *regard to your former way of life*,
!!!to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24and to put on the new self, created to be like God in ***true righteousness and holiness.!!!***
(The Whole point to Salvation….“being Saved”)
>>>25Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to your neighbor, for we are all members of one body.
(The Human Race!!! Planet Earth!!! Gods Household)
26“In your anger do not sin”: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27and do not give the devil a foothold. 28Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with their own hands, that they may have something to share with those in need.<<<
>>>29Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. <<<
!!!30And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.!!!
………..
All of this language contained in this one Chapter expresses so many different aspects yet being the same thing. Truly Fractled …..From the Greek, to the English, to the Spirit(ual) aspect is unbelievable…lol And how it meshes with the Hebrew. Almost like one builds off the other:O…lol
Or the two became One(in the same
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To be born again from above means you are made a new creature in Christ by spiritual rebirth.
I see what’s going on here…lol
What does it mean to be “born again”? From above? Or anew?
What does it mean to have a divine nature?
If our bodies are the Temple of God, and we are living stones that build it, and Christ is our head (but we have the mind of Christ!!!), and many members(limbs) that work according to his purpose….then how is that Not talking about our body(?)….lol
Especially when a human body is used as the metaphors and analogy; for it fractled on a grand scale; Using Denominations….
……….
EPHESIANS 4
Unity and Maturity in the Body of Christ
1As a prisoner for the Lord, then,>> I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. <<<
2Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love.
>>>3Make every effort to keep the **unity of the Spirit** through the bond of peace!. <<<
4There is One body and One Spirit, ***just as you were called to One hope when you were called; ***5One Lord, ***One faith, ***One baptism; >>>6One God and Father of all, who is _over_ all and ~through~ all and (in) all.<<<
(Can’t be separated
(((Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is *One!)))
7But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. 8This is why it says:
“When he ascended on high,
he took many captives
and gave gifts to his people.”
>>>9(What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? 10He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) <<<
(That one is deeeep!!!)
11So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12to !equip his people for works of service,
>>>so that the body of Christ (multiple meanings) may be built up 13until ~we all~ reach unity in the faith/ and in the knowledge of the Son of God/— and become mature, —///attaining to the *whole measure* of the _fullness_ of Christ.<<<
>>>14Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.<<<
*** 15Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will ~grow~ to become in ~every respect~ ….the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ. ***
>16From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, ~grows~ and _builds itself up in love_, as each part does its! work.<<<
17So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. <<<
>>>18They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God <<<!!!
>>>because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. <<<
>>>19Having lost all sensitivity,<<<
they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, and they are full of greed.
***20That, however, is not the way of life you learned 21when you heard about Christ and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. ***
(What is the Difference between Christ and Jesus?)
>>>22You were taught, with *regard to your former way of life*,
!!!to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24and to put on the new self, created to be like God in ***true righteousness and holiness.!!!***
(The Whole point to Salvation….“being Saved”)
>>>25Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to your neighbor, for we are all members of one body.
(The Human Race!!! Planet Earth!!! Gods Household)
26“In your anger do not sin”: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27and do not give the devil a foothold. 28Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with their own hands, that they may have something to share with those in need.<<<
>>>29Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. <<<
!!!30And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.!!!
………..
All of this language contained in this one Chapter expresses so many different aspects yet being the same thing. Truly Fractled …..From the Greek, to the English, to the Spirit(ual) aspect is unbelievable…lol And how it meshes with the Hebrew. Almost like one builds off the other:O…lol
Or the two became One(in the same
You are given a new heart/ mind and given a new nature, and a new spirit. You put off the old Adam sin nature, and put on the righteous nature of Christ.
The old man dies and passes away, and all things become new in Christ.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
I can respect that
But just wondering; If Creation speaks day after day declaring the knowledge of God, then why do you bind him to One book?
Do you read those other books without a bias? Do you let them speak for itself without judgement?
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Yes, we see the glory of God in His creation. And it is written God created all things by His Wisdom, which is by His Word, which is by Jesus Christ.I can respect that
But just wondering; If Creation speaks day after day declaring the knowledge of God, then why do you bind him to One book?
Do you read those other books without a bias? Do you let them speak for itself without judgement?
But if you want to truly know God, you need to know His Word Jesus Christ. God’s Word is the express image of the invisible God. So in order to “see” the invisible God, and in order to know what God is like, we need to know His Word.
And in order to be brought back into His presence and behold His glory, we must do what He tells us to do, and be obedient and faithful to Him. If you are sincere in seeking God, do what He tells you to do faithfully.
The only book you need to focus on is the Holy Bible. And the only teacher you need is Christ . Reading other literature of men can corrupt one’s thinking. That is why there are so many different beliefs and denominations. Many have been “leavened” by the doctrines of men.
My advice to you is to dump and reboot, cast out the old leaven and seek God through faith in His Word Jesus Christ. Seek, knock, and ask.
Repent of your sins, bring forth fruit worthy of repentance. Keep His commandments and pray to the Father, and ask Him to give unto you His Holy Spirit.
God is true to keeping His promises, if you do what He tells you to do in His Word, and believe in Him who sent to die for your sins, then you will have faith in Jesus Christ. And those who truly believe in Him shall be given eternal life.
Peace
So what would you say is A divine Nature?
And what is the difference between Jesus and Christ…..as there is a distinction made in Ephesians 4 20-21?
And what to the instructions given all throughout Ephesians?
And the consuming Of Jesus Flesh and blood?
How would you connect these? Also factoring in our own effort with choice?
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