End of Times

[Christ4Ever]

Many thanks for that Brother Nick, it took a few reads to understand fully and as i usually do, i thought about and reflected on what i'd read and how that applied to my view of Christs teachings. The verse that kept coming to mind was when Christ said " No man can serve 2 masters, You cant serve God and Mammon", i believe this is what Mike Johnson is trying to do, for you cant be anymore immersed in the culture of Mammon than being involved in Politics, and the higher you climb the Political ladder the more immersed you become. Politics is all about Money, power and influence, of obtaining sufficient Money, power and influence to fulfill your objectives, and there is little more corrupting to the human Soul than the combination of the unholy Trinity of Money, Influence and Power. There might be some that set out in Politics with the best of intentions, but soon realise that to achieve anything you have to compromise on your beliefs, you have to play the game, to become a part of the Evil and Corrupt system youre hoping to change and before you know it its moulded you into the very thing you set out to change. This is the insidious way Evil works, with promises that " If only i had the power i'd change things for the better", but in the end, the system changes you but in a way that you can still fool yourself youre doing it for good, but when has good ever come from Evil?.

Dear Brother,
What you do is default to what Christ has written, without realizing as scripture says that all things were created by, and for Him. So, that the very institutions put in place by God, Church & Government you war against in the narrowness of your vision. There is no compromise on my part, but rather a greater understanding of His workings then what you have allowed yourself to believe exists.

In truth you are very much like the legalist that Jesus was against, because all they understood were the Commandments, while perverting the very things you now believe you support were only spoken of by Jesus, by using the institutions He as God had put in place! So, you have a truth for your actions, but only partially, because what you don't understand or maybe don't want to consider, is that He did not come to tear down the church, or governments, but to build it up in such a fashion that it would fulfill its true purpose for being created in the first place.

Sadly, you malign a brother (Mike Johnson) in Christ, because he is doing what you see as compromising, which is working within that which God has created to ensure that Godly, men/women, are in the positions that when existing laws go contrary to what God has wanted to be done, can be changed and not destroy the entirety of the system, which whether you know or not is exactly what you are doing now. Doing so, without even acknowledging the purpose for which they were put there in the first place by God. That is the part you see as conflicting, and so won't accept them as having a Godly purpose, no matter how one shows you according to God's word that it is so.

Only you can look in the mirror, see, and then ask God why this is so. I can't be like one of Job's friends and tell you that you are at fault, and the reason for it, except for you to consider the entirety of the word of God, and to understand it with greater wisdom, that God can provide you.

You believe that all that counts or that God created was the individual, and not the other items, as has been shown to you in the writing of Brother Johnson, which is the Church, and Government as well. Being unable to see and believe them as being an order by which God meant humanity to be led, you will ignore scripture that points you to a greater understanding to follow and the prophets that were given the words to write that we might know. (2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:21)

It is easy to twist what does not go along with ones (not just you) theological bend, and what you in your previous post stated in not seeing communism, socialism etc., but only the individual. While they do exist, whether you believe in them or not, or see them or not. The devil doesn't need you to believe in him or his works against God's. In fact he'd rather that you not. It makes deception all the easier for him.

So, now you can believe that the individual is all there is, as much as you want to, but God did not mean for it to be so, and why the Church and Government were given to man. They were meant to work hand in hand, with each having a responsibility accorded to it. Like a three-legged stool, take one leg away and it won't stand. They are meant to work each in unison, balanced each with the other, and when done properly will allow God's will to be done. Just like the Trinity Brother Steve.

However, like a quote I've used before from John Adams, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." you can see the 3 being spoken of by him in the individual (people), church (religious), and government, and the need of them working together or it won't not work.

As to your last question in the above of "when has good come from evil". You should know the answer to this Brother Steve! When God wills it! You have to go no further than Joseph in the OT! We are limited in how much we can see, which is not a limitation that God has brother. I have a t-shirt that I like to wear that says, "God Wins" "I've read the last chapter". Trust Him, instead of trying to do it all yourself, you'll be better off.

Which leads me to now ask you. What are going to put in place of what so far is not working, either here in the US, or anywhere else in the world and how would you implement it? If you don't have an answer, then your answer really is "Chaos", and all that entails, which of course is not better than what we have now.

For example, as Leader of the house and a Republican Mike Johnson has supported President Trumps actions in cutting Overseas Aid which will cost millions of Lives, the cutting of Domestic Aid programmes to the poorest, the rollback of Environmental protections, the supplying of weapons to Israel as it conducted its genocidal war in Gaza, the massive increase in US military spending and the implementation of a brutal anti immigration and deportation policy. How can these actions be reconciled with his professed Christian Faith, not to mention the latest depiction of the Obamas as Apes in one of Trumps social media posts, It seems to me that Mike Johnson, like nearly all Politicians to a lesser or greater extent sell their souls and worship at the Alter of Money and Power, or in some cases a Political ideology based on Division and hatred. and as Christ said, "For what does it profit a man , to gain the whole world but in doing so lose his soul".

So, you are perfect, and know of a perfect government to have in its place?
Do, you deny the fraud that was going on at the same time that was not going to those it was supposed to help?
So, your suggestion was that they do nothing?
To fix the leak you sometimes have to cut off the entirety of the water, before finding the holes, before you turn the water back on.
That is what was done. No other way was working, because nobody else was even giving it any due attention to fixing.
So, argue the process all you want, but without an alternative, this will have to do.
The real issue is that the corrupt politicians benefiting from this are the same ones blocking efforts to fix the system, loudly complaining about those hurt by the funding cuts. Oh, and you're siding with them!!! Yikes!

Actually, did you see the entirety of the video that was actually a mistake by an underling that was not cut out of another post? You would probably approve of it, since it depicted not just the Obamas as apes, but all politicians as animals!!! It was rather well done! I actually saw most of it through a post done by a black individual, who had no problem with it, and was laughing. Mostly, by how triggered the left was by it!!!

Well, brother, when you reach perfection that goes along with the word of God, you let me know. Because you're a sinner like the rest of us, and you still sin! So, don't be throwing stones at others for their deficiencies, when you have them as well. For you don't know how much any of these you are denigrating are trying to get themselves better as well! Mirror time: For the same judgment....need I say more?

I'll try to work through the post as best i can and it'll probably take me a few days, but i thought i'd best set down my initial thoughts, so here goes.......

No problem. As it rolls in, I'll try to address your observations.

This i think is the crux of my opposition, for i see myself as a Christian, not a Christian with different aspects to their lives, but one life and one faith, as such i try to apply my Christian beliefs to ALL situations, be they political, social, Economic or Moral, there is no distinction for myself between the actions of people, institutions, groups or the Government itself, i apply my Christian beliefs to all equally , when i look at an immigration policy i apply the same principles of loving my Neighbour and treating others as i'd want to be treated as i would to any personal interaction, there is no distinction.

There’s the problem. God put these in place, and while their complexity can be hard to grasp at times, it’s not right to fall back on “I’m a Christian” as a reason not to understand, because that’s the wrong approach to gaining understanding.

Oh, you may not see the distinctions, but clearly God did, and He saw the need for them, because He instituted them. You can argue with God about them, but I dare say, you won't win. Now, you speak of equality as if its a possibility! Hate to burst your bubble, but it doesn't exist, and even in heaven it doesn't. What you are really believing in is equal outcome for all. Sorry brother its not going to happen. Thing about the gifts that will be given out one day for one's work. (1 Cor 3:8, 12-15; 2 Cor 5:10) You sound more like a proponent of DEI! Sorry, it doesn't work in Heaven, it sure won't work here on earth.

I agree that we are all responsible for our actions, what we do and dont do, but that is not just an individual responsibility, we are also called on to pursue Justice and practice Compassion and humility, we are ALL our Brother/Sisters keeper and what befalls our neighbour is our concern wherever they may be....... and what if the Civil Government is Evil and pursues unjust and oppressive laws, like all do to a lesser or greater extent, are we not called on to follow a higher morality, of being first and foremost true to our faith and the teachings of our Lord and Saviour?.

Need I quote John Adams again? lol
Again, what system are you going to set up in place of what God has, that will work?
Yes, it is humanities fault that they have been unable to follow righteously what God has put in place. After all until they come to Jesus, it won't happen or be run, perfectly. We keep trying, but we don't burn it down, which is what you're talking about, because there is no other solution but to destroy what God has placed for us to use, because you won't work within the system to fix it. Which is the only way it can work. Little by little.

But if we believe in the teachings of Christ then as his followers we must apply his words to ALL situations, this is the danger when we become absorbed in the workings of Mammon, of the Evil system that we all have to live in, when we take it to our heart the contradictions between our faith and the workings of the world become so great that we have to compromise, to find reasons, and in doing so we become as those that" Profess Christ with their lips, but whose Heart is far from him".

Exactly! Who's the one who doesn't want to work within the system that God has established, but instead is trying to bring it down?
I know you'd like it to be in your lifetime, but it's not going to happen. You might see the fall of the USA, in your lifetime, but if you think that will make it better. Nope, it will not. When that happens, the pain, suffering, death will increase, worldwide, and so will persecution, and nothing will have changed for the better. Brother read the Book of Revelation. Only the return of Jesus, will illicit the necessary change, because only He has the authority & power to make it happen in a worldwide scale, but before then it will be horrendous to contemplate how much worse the world will be, not might be, but will be.

See how Christs words and the spirit of his words have been corrupted to suit a political ideology , so the civil government, and those Christians working within the Civil Government, can ignore the basic tenets of Christianity because its politically expedient to do so, does this give them the right to implement any Law, no matter how harsh, would you have betrayed Anne Frank to the "authorities" because that was the Law, and "every person is subject to the governing authorities"? I'll finish the rest on Thursday hopefully, but i have to say IMO this is a gross betrayal of our faith and Christs teachings, but this is what happens when you try to serve 2 masters, you end up serving the one and ignoring the other, and this sadly is what i think Speaker Johnson is doing.

Not at all! What you don't want to realize is that "THE PEOPLE" make up the Government, at least here in the USA, and if the pool from which they are chosen, are only unbelievers, guess what you have? A Government run by unbelievers! Instead of Godly, men & women! He as a Christian that works in the political system knows this, and is why I believe, the focus must be on Evangelism, Discipleship, and the growing of the Body of Christ first before trying to change a system that you can't change from the outside!!! Supporting those on the inside in prayer most especially!

You like to mention Anne Frank. Did you ever think, what if there had been a million Anne Frank's instead of just one, what would have happened??? Well, guess what? Nothing would have changed! She was not a believer in Jesus Christ. You think there will be change outside of Jesus? No, change will only happen through Christ Jesus! You want change, well, you're going about it the wrong way! Bring them the Word of God that through the Holy Spirit and you will have the change; a change that will cover the entirety of the world!

You think Brother Johnson is serving 2 masters? So, the Government is not established by God, but by the devil? Is that what you believe???
You really need to pray about this a bit more brother, and seek discernment and greater wisdom, which our God will provide you. I pray for it as well.

I look forward to more of what you have to say on Brother Johnson's writing. Though, disregarding the institutions that God has established is not something I would want to hear about, because that is what it appears is what you are saying must be done. Which you should be able to acknowledge is against the word of God. Bring all three together, like the legs of a stool, and you’ll get it. Ignore even one, and you risk a nasty surprise when it’s time to sit down.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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