Except There Comes A FALLING AWAY 1st, , A Rebellion, A Turning From, A Defection, A Forsake, of The Truth "Apostasy" we need to discuss this now!

[rhern53]

We know God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and these three are one. Each member of the Godhead are called God, but each member has a different function from each other, but they all agree in one, and in purpose. When I think about the Book of Life I am not told a whole lot about it, as it seems mysterious, but I think I can come to some conclusions based on what I do know from scriptures.

If God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit have different functions within the Godhead then each member should have their own record-keeping book in which they keep track for them self's, and in the end, they should all agree together with each other. This is an interesting scripture here.....

1Jn 5:7 FOR THERE ARE THREE THAT BEAR RECORD in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (KJV)

Some scholars do not believe that the verses, “ in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost....” as some of the oldest original text have them omitted. It makes no difference because the word “testify” which most translations use means “to bear record, or bear witness”. Each member of the Godhead has its own book, in which “RECORDS” are kept.

My understanding of this subject is this.

The “BOOK OF LIFE” is what God the Father uses to keep track of all who have been born on planet earth. When a person dies without ever accepting Jesus Christ as their savior, that person's name is “blotted” out from the Book of Life. We know this to be true because of this scripture.....

20:15 And IF ANYONE'S NAME WAS NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE, HE WAS THROWN INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.

A person's name must appear in the Book of Life, or they are cast into the lake of fire!!! Names are being added to and taken away every day.

Then we have the “LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE”. I wonder to whom this book belongs to? This is Jesus's own book, and all the names written in it were written before the foundation of the world. No one's name can ever be blotted out of the Lambs Book of Life!! There are no scriptures anywhere in the Bible that says any name can be blotted out of this book. The reason why is because God already knows every single person who will accept Jesus as their Savior, and he knew this before the foundation of the world.

Just because someone's name is written in the Lambs Book of Life, that does not mean they have no choice in choosing Jesus as their savior. All the names in this book have been given a free will choice to choose to whom they will serve, it's just God already knew what their choice was going to be, so he wrote them into this Book!!

Rev 21:27 But nothing unclean will ever enter it (The Holy City of God) , nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but ONLY THOSE WHO ARE WRITTEN IN THE LAMB'S BOOK OF LIFE.

Rev 13:8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone WHOSE NAME HAS NOT BEEN WRITTEN BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD IN THE BOOK OF LIFE OF THE LAMB who was slain.

Rev 17:8 The beast that you saw used to exist. But now he does not. He will come up out of the Abyss. He will be destroyed. Some of the people who live on the earth will be amazed when they see the beast. Their names have not been written in the Book of Life from the time the world was created. They will be amazed because even though the beast used to exist and now does not, he will come again. (Nirv)

During the “tribulations” period every person whose name was NOT written in the Book of Life of the Lamb from the foundation of the world will worship the beast.

Then there is a book called, “THE BOOK OF REMEMBRANCE”. I believe this book to belongs to the Holy Spirit because Jesus once said that when the Holy Spirit comes he will bring to our remembrance everything he has spoken to us. Every time a person thinks about the Lord his God and talks about him, everything is recorded into this book......

Mal 3:16 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and A BOOK OF REMEMBRANCE WAS WRITTEN BEFORE HIM FOR THEM THAT FEARED THE LORD, AND THAT THOUGHT UPON HIS NAME.

I do not think the Lord forgets anything, except for our sins that we have confessed before him, nor does he need remembering what we have said, or thought. I think it is for our benefit that he keeps these records. In the end, the only names that will be found in the Book of Life, and the Lambs Book of Life, and the book of remembrance will be his Church. The Holy Spirit will bear witness to these truths by bringing forth all that we have said and thought throughout our life here on earth.

There are three that bear RECORD the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, and they all three agree in one.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Notice: more than one "book" is used to judge people!

(((My understanding of this subject is this. The “BOOK OF LIFE” is what God the Father uses to keep track of all who have been born on planet earth.)))

Romans 8:29
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;

Ephesians 1:4-5 King James Version (KJV)
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,


Isaiah 46:10
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things which have not been done,
Saying, ‘My purpose will be established,
And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’;

Isaiah 42:9
“Behold, the former things have come to pass,
Now I declare new things;
Before they spring forth I proclaim them to you.”

 

[rhern53]

No one is saved by "Faith"!

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Grace is the only way anyone "could" be saved, but without "faith" that grace can not be accessed! (Romans 5:1-2)

All men do NOT have faith! (2 Th 3:2)

What ALL men do have is "grace" by which they could be saved!

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

No one is saved by our faith but it is The Gift of Faith given to us from God.

 

[Curtis]

(((My understanding of this subject is this. The “BOOK OF LIFE” is what God the Father uses to keep track of all who have been born on planet earth.)))

Romans 8:29
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren;

Ephesians 1:4-5 King James Version (KJV)
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,


Isaiah 46:10
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things which have not been done,
Saying, ‘My purpose will be established,
And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’;

Isaiah 42:9
“Behold, the former things have come to pass,
Now I declare new things;
Before they spring forth I proclaim them to you.”

People's names can be "blotted out" from the "Book of life" which would seem that God did not know their actions which are not true. No one's name can be blotted out of the "Lambs Book of life" for there names were written in it before the world began!

Even though the Lord God knew all were to be saved and not saved, he still gives the unsaved a free will choice to choose who they will serve so no one can say there is injustice with God.

2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

 

[TKICBS]

Well I am afraid this thread is way to long to read it all so I will post my thoughts on the original question. I believe my understanding is from the Lord. Judge it righteously.
First I agree we have no need for anyone to teach us if we have the Holy Ghost. However, we do have need of correction from time to time. If we fall into an error in understanding and continue to build on it we can end up way out in left field. Look at how many denominations there are. Are they all true? That is rediculous.
So the falling away...
Have you ever wondered why there are three main camps on the rapture and why they are so adiment on their true interpretation?
There are verses that when taken in context prove each one and there are verses against each one. Is God a god of confusion?
No, that is the devil.
So why the confusion?
Please take a fresh look at 2nd Thessalonians 2. Notice please that the wicked one and the falling away MUST be revealed BEFORE the gathering. This lines up perfectly with Matthew 24:31 and all other trumpet scriptures. Aka, 1st Corrinthians 15:51-52, Revelation 11 and the 7th trumpet.
Now look at verses 7&8 in 2nd Thessalonians 2. He who restrains and he who let's MUST be taken out of the way BEFORE the wicked one is revealed. Well I was always taught and do believe that the he who let's is the Holy Ghost.
But how can this be based on verse 1 and 2?
Very simple! Brace yourself!
There is not just one Rapture of believers, but 2 Raptures.
Prove it!
Okay, let's take all of the confusion away. First the believers being addressed in the gathering have good reason to believe they missed the boat if the first boat leaves and they are still here. Then look at revelation 3. Those who are obedient to Jesus will not have to endure the temptation to take the mark of the beast. Why! They are not here. Look at the child in Rev 12. It is caught up at least 1260 days before the woman comes out of the wilderness. Who then is this child if the gathering of the saints is at the 7th, last great trumpet? Well, it is all believers who are obedient And have the Holy Ghost. He who let's is the Holy Ghost and when he is taken out of the way he has to take all believers with him, provided they are obedient and they have him.
Remember when Paul went into a certain city and met believers there? He asked them if they had received the Holy Ghost. They said they never heard of him. So he prayed and they received the Holy Ghost. How many churches today are there that don't teach on receiving the Holy Ghost today?
They cannot be taken if they don't have him.
Now can you tell me that every believer you know is obedient to Jesus? Are any living in sin blatantly thinking they are saved? Liars, thieves, sexually perverse, fornicators, witches even?
So what causes the falling away?
The first rapture!
But how can anyone get saved if the Holy Ghost is taken?
Read Joel 2 again. Who know if he won't return and leave a blessing for the Lord your God.
That scripture was fulfilled once at Penticost. It will have a second fulfillment after the child is taken out of the way.
Notice the Locust in Rev come only for the final 5 months. These are the army of God spoken of in Joel 1 and 2.
These Locust literally come from a bottomless pit and attempt to take over the surface world 5 months before Jesus returns.
If you need to understand them learn about the Hollow Earth.
But that is another topic.
Learn to cast down imaginations and seek the truth on every issue. Don't accept any teaching until all scripture is qualified in context.

 

[PloughBoy]

Well I am afraid this thread is way to long to read it all so I will post my thoughts on the original question. I believe my understanding is from the Lord. Judge it righteously.
First I agree we have no need for anyone to teach us if we have the Holy Ghost. However, we do have need of correction from time to time. If we fall into an error in understanding and continue to build on it we can end up way out in left field. Look at how many denominations there are. Are they all true? That is rediculous.
So the falling away...
Have you ever wondered why there are three main camps on the rapture and why they are so adiment on their true interpretation?
There are verses that when taken in context prove each one and there are verses against each one. Is God a god of confusion?
No, that is the devil.
So why the confusion?
Please take a fresh look at 2nd Thessalonians 2. Notice please that the wicked one and the falling away MUST be revealed BEFORE the gathering. This lines up perfectly with Matthew 24:31 and all other trumpet scriptures. Aka, 1st Corrinthians 15:51-52, Revelation 11 and the 7th trumpet.
Now look at verses 7&8 in 2nd Thessalonians 2. He who restrains and he who let's MUST be taken out of the way BEFORE the wicked one is revealed. Well I was always taught and do believe that the he who let's is the Holy Ghost.
But how can this be based on verse 1 and 2?
Very simple! Brace yourself!
There is not just one Rapture of believers, but 2 Raptures.
Prove it!
Okay, let's take all of the confusion away. First the believers being addressed in the gathering have good reason to believe they missed the boat if the first boat leaves and they are still here. Then look at revelation 3. Those who are obedient to Jesus will not have to endure the temptation to take the mark of the beast. Why! They are not here. Look at the child in Rev 12. It is caught up at least 1260 days before the woman comes out of the wilderness. Who then is this child if the gathering of the saints is at the 7th, last great trumpet? Well, it is all believers who are obedient And have the Holy Ghost. He who let's is the Holy Ghost and when he is taken out of the way he has to take all believers with him, provided they are obedient and they have him.
Remember when Paul went into a certain city and met believers there? He asked them if they had received the Holy Ghost. They said they never heard of him. So he prayed and they received the Holy Ghost. How many churches today are there that don't teach on receiving the Holy Ghost today?
They cannot be taken if they don't have him.
Now can you tell me that every believer you know is obedient to Jesus? Are any living in sin blatantly thinking they are saved? Liars, thieves, sexually perverse, fornicators, witches even?
So what causes the falling away?
The first rapture!
But how can anyone get saved if the Holy Ghost is taken?
Read Joel 2 again. Who know if he won't return and leave a blessing for the Lord your God.
That scripture was fulfilled once at Penticost. It will have a second fulfillment after the child is taken out of the way.
Notice the Locust in Rev come only for the final 5 months. These are the army of God spoken of in Joel 1 and 2.
These Locust literally come from a bottomless pit and attempt to take over the surface world 5 months before Jesus returns.
If you need to understand them learn about the Hollow Earth.
But that is another topic.
Learn to cast down imaginations and seek the truth on every issue. Don't accept any teaching until all scripture is qualified in context.

LOL, you have to excuse me! While I chuckle! I cannot stop, I am sorry, I do pay attention to words, in light of "Holy Scripture"! And I thought it was going to be a dull day on "TalkJesus". Now mind you, I am not laughing at you, But at the up coming fun of engaging the "approach of the text of "The Holy Scripture". That is not related to old arguments that has been settle by greater minds than ours. "That paragraph was the introduction", Now let us proceed with your reply, Post 44.

You began stating this: "Well I am afraid this thread is way to long to read it all so I will post my thoughts on the original question. I believe my understanding is from the Lord. Judge it righteously." So you are going "highjack" the post!
You're a brave warrior! Matter of Fact, what question are you talking about, the thread title never even ask a question!

LOL, I love all you now! Sometimes I cannot believe the things I hear,

Now I will say this, In your statement, you said it was to long to read. Well I think you should have read it, and disgust it before you "Spoke"! How can you even address a"Thread" without thinking? You are supposed to "Think" before you Speak! If you had read it and disgusted it, the thread title, is 1 word "Apostasy". I think you need to Look the word up for "Biblical "Apostasy". All though I did it for you in title "Thread" but you decided it was to long to read! In other words the title said: " Except there comes a "Apostasy 1st., A Apostasy, A Apostasy, A Apostasy, A Apostasy, of The Truth "Apostasy". We need to discuss this [Apostasy] now!

Now Read below! LOL and get you a "unabridged " or open your big Dictionary and read it!


Except There Comes A FALLING AWAY 1st, , A Rebellion, A Turning From, A Defection, A Forsake, of The Truth "Apostasy" we need to discuss this now!

And you went on to say, "have you ever wonder why, there are 3 camps concerning the "Rapture"
My answer: Why, No! That is "Christianity 101" class of 1979" and pre-requisition to that is "how the Bible was written and why there are "So many Versions" and how they led to so many Deniminations!
That Kindergarden materials! "Pre-teen knows that material". Now concerning your thoughts, are lead by God, concerning this thread, I do believe he did lead you and I do believe the"Holy Spirit" through the Word of God en-able me and guided me in everything relating to this thread.

Now you also address the word "correction". And I will reply, with these words: now you are most welcome to add or subtract.

Jesus said: about the "Holy Ghost".

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“And when he comes, he will correct the world concerning sin and concerning righteousness and concerning judgment;”


5and ye have forgotten the exhortation which reasoneth with you as with sons, My son, regard not lightly the chastening of the Lord, Nor faint when thou art reproved of him;



New Living Translation
All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.

Now if you think "God" needs a "institutionalize church" to correct you or that is His methods, you are still under a "Schoolmaster" and the milk is still on your breath. God has made it plain, "Read your Bible" in others words, "Read The Book" Not spoon fed, by pamphlets, and "Bible handed out prescriptions slips for temporary condictions" from "The Rev & Dr. Givemore" at "Willmore Institute of ____________.

Now if I can have your permission, to return to the theme of the title post. Pertaining to "let's talk about "The Apostasy".

 

[PloughBoy]

 

[PloughBoy]

First Seal: The Conqueror
1Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the [a]seals; and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder, “Come and see.” 2And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.

 

[PloughBoy]

(Jude).

14Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, 15to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”

"For we are children of "The Day" and not of "the night" and we are aware and not taken unaware."

 

[PloughBoy]

( 1 Thess 5).

The Day of the Lord
…4 But you, brothers, are not in the darkness so that this day should overtake you like a thief. 5For you are all sons of the light and sons of the day; we do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6 So then, let us not sleep as the others do, but let us remain awake and sober.…

 

[PloughBoy]