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Father's love letter

Thank you for the post.

I read Psalm 139 - that is mind-blowing! You tell me that God loves me and yet it says in the first verse that he knows me. If he knows me, how can he love me?

Verse 7 and 8 say that I can not escape from God's Spirit. So, wherever, I am, whatever I am doing, God is there - and he still loves me??????????!!!
That makes me feel awful as I am not good enough to be anywhere God.

I also read the 'In Christ ...' - I liked that (although I didn't understand it all!!!!!!).

Thank you for your advice and sorry to be a nuisance.

Sadeyes
 
I just realized...

I just realized that my last post may have throw you back, I'm sorry.
But reading the other reply you got, i saw that they basically help you overcome that first feeling and i am happy about that.

I need to clarify something. I was not trying to give you a set guideline to communicate with God. I just thought that some people are very talkative and could spent hours on the phone with a friend speaking about everything and nothing at the same time.

You do not have to do the 15-30 mn. meditation or prayer time. It's up to you, you may decide to spend 5 - 10 mn. instead_

You know what I have discovered? God's word is addictive, meaning that the more you read it and follow, your inclination to seek God and know more about him will grow.
Oh, one thing. Don't worry too much if you don't understand everything at first_ if a verse is intended for you, God will make a way and provide it's meaning to you.
Have a blessed day and may God's mercies keep you.
 
Thank you Underhiswing for your kind reply. Unfortunately, I feel to ill to reply to it at the moment.
 
I am sorry that I couldn't reply sooner, but I just needed to get to bed because of the pain.

Thank you for being willing to give me some idea about what I should be doing. As I have said so many times, this is so hard, overwhelming and confusing for me.

I understood that you were not saying specifics of precise time.

The point that I was trying to make was I can talk for hours to my friend on the phone because I can hear her replies and it is a two-way conversation. I couldn't see how it worked when talking to God. That has been explained now.

I wish that there was somebody here who could answer all of my questions as I know that I probably appear a nuisance to most people because I need the basics explained to me. Unfortunately, there is nobody I know who can answer my questions.

Tonight I had decided to give up trying to find God, but a phrase in another post has made me change my mind. However, as I have already said, THIS IS SO HARD!!!!!!
 
What am I doing wrong?

What am I doing wrong?

I hope that somebody will answer this question for me as I have been lying in bed this morning, thinking about things and just not knowing what I am doing wrong, but knowing that I must be doing something wrong. If you are telling me the truth (and I have no reason to think that you are not) then I must be doing something wrong because it is not working for me in the way that it is working for you.

Let me explain ...

Last week when I found this site, I was suicidal (because of the pain that I have to live with). I was actually on the internet looking for information on how to commit suicide when I came across this site.

I read the Father's love letter and it offered me such hope - which is more than the medical profession can do!! They have said that they can do nothing more for me other than to give me medication to help to control the pain.

I can not tell you which was my favourite line from the Father's love letter because it was all so moving and it really touched my heart. Could this be what I have been looking for all of my life?

I was then advised to follow some instructions and to say a prayer to become a Christian, which is what I did. I suppose that I was expecting something significant to happen then. I don't know what exactly, but perhaps a good 'feeling' inside of me or something like that.

I had had a fear that God would reject me and perhaps he has. All I know is that I feel very hurt, upset and frightened.

Now if the Father's love letter is true - and as it is quoted directly from the Bible, one has got to say that it is - then I must be doing something wrong because the sentiments of this letter is NOT that you will become a Christian and feel awful afterwards!!!!!

So, what am I doing wrong?

I have started to read my Bible (although that is hard) and I have tried to pray (but that is even harder).

If I can't find God, then I am back to where I was last week when I was suicidal. There is no point living with this pain 24/7.

I have spent a lot of the past 24 hours in tears. I feel very hurt because I wasn't expecting to find this all so difficult. I suppose that I was expecting it to make my existence easier rather than harder. Was that wrong of me to think that?

Last night I had so many kind posts saying to keep going and not to give up. My problem I suppose is that I haven't got the energy to have added hassles in my life. I struggle through every day as it is and now I have the added stress of trying to find the right thing to do in being a Christian.

Did I misunderstand what the Father's love letter was saying? Or am I doing something wrong?

I am desperate to have God in my life, like is offered in the Father's love letter.

Please help me to make it work as I have nowhere else to turn.

So sorry to be a nuisance, but I don't know what else to do.
 
Well the good news here is what is impossible for man is indeed POSSIBLE with GOD.

When we have Jesus in our life then He goes through everything with us.

I heard today that if one has emotional pain they need to be healed of this first before they can have physical healing.

Some people do have a great experience when they accept Jesus. Others it is just a knowing that He is with them. Nothing exciting.

We have to learn to walk by faith and not by sight. Like you flick a light switch and know the light will come on.

As you read the Bible more you will get some understanding and I pray that you will know when God is speaking to you.

Try and read some Psalms like 100 where people are praising God. We have to get our focus off ourselves and onto Him. I know that is hard when you have such awful pain to cope with.

I wish you would come and talk to us in the live chat or come and be encouraged sister.

God bless
Love in Christ. :love: :rainbow: :rose:
 
Hi dear,

What am I doing wrong?

I hope that somebody will answer this question for me as I have been lying in bed this morning, thinking about things and just not knowing what I am doing wrong, but knowing that I must be doing something wrong. If you are telling me the truth (and I have no reason to think that you are not) then I must be doing something wrong because it is not working for me in the way that it is working for you.

Let me explain ...

Last week when I found this site, I was suicidal (because of the pain that I have to live with). I was actually on the internet looking for information on how to commit suicide when I came across this site.

I read the Father's love letter and it offered me such hope - which is more than the medical profession can do!! They have said that they can do nothing more for me other than to give me medication to help to control the pain.

I can not tell you which was my favourite line from the Father's love letter because it was all so moving and it really touched my heart. Could this be what I have been looking for all of my life?

I was then advised to follow some instructions and to say a prayer to become a Christian, which is what I did. I suppose that I was expecting something significant to happen then. I don't know what exactly, but perhaps a good 'feeling' inside of me or something like that.

I had had a fear that God would reject me and perhaps he has. All I know is that I feel very hurt, upset and frightened.

Now if the Father's love letter is true - and as it is quoted directly from the Bible, one has got to say that it is - then I must be doing something wrong because the sentiments of this letter is NOT that you will become a Christian and feel awful afterwards!!!!!

So, what am I doing wrong?

I have started to read my Bible (although that is hard) and I have tried to pray (but that is even harder).

If I can't find God, then I am back to where I was last week when I was suicidal. There is no point living with this pain 24/7.

I have spent a lot of the past 24 hours in tears. I feel very hurt because I wasn't expecting to find this all so difficult. I suppose that I was expecting it to make my existence easier rather than harder. Was that wrong of me to think that?

Last night I had so many kind posts saying to keep going and not to give up. My problem I suppose is that I haven't got the energy to have added hassles in my life. I struggle through every day as it is and now I have the added stress of trying to find the right thing to do in being a Christian.

Did I misunderstand what the Father's love letter was saying? Or am I doing something wrong?

I am desperate to have God in my life, like is offered in the Father's love letter.

Please help me to make it work as I have nowhere else to turn.

So sorry to be a nuisance, but I don't know what else to do.

How are you doing today?
Your last post really helped me see what you are struggling with.
Don't feel bad about being a nuisance, be as much of a nuisance as is humanly possible for one to be; we at talkJesus are there for that. So, use us as much as possible. We don't mind.

From what your letter is telling me, I think that you are depressed. Well, don't feel bad about it. It's ok (but you may want to talk to someone in the mental health department in the clinic you attend, especially if you haven't felt yourself in a loooooooooong time!). At times life's circumstances present themselves to us and overwhelm us. I understand. Especially since you mention that you have been struggling with an illness for which the medical
have no answer to.

Why did I say I understand? Because I myself when through a bout of depression last Fall. I had lost my motivation in life, my sleep, the deire to fight.... I felt soooooooo helpless! All that because there was a lot of things that were happening in my life; and it seemed like they presented themselves to my door step all at once. I was in school full-time, but ended up not doing so great _ I end up not taking two of my finals
I was set to graduate College this February, but ended up missing the opportunity.
Besides that, I had had dreams about people dying in my family and looking at my family, I realized that we were in a crisis. But I did not know how to handle that. So, I bottled it up inside along with some other issues that may take me well 30 something pages to write in thier entirety.
I kept on doing stuff (watching too much TV) to numb the pain. And it worked for a while, but it took a toll on my emotions. I still was not feeling alright and kept thinking that I had let God down. I could not sing anymore nor pray.

As this year started, i decided to move forward, but the side effects were still there. My heart was not mended, and though I try reading my bible, it was not the same as when i spend some time seeking God's face.
In late February, I think, i heard a message that lift my spirit up and made me realize that I was in a spiritual warfare, and I needed to step in faith. Thus I started making some changes for the month of March. Though I could not fall asleep at a decent time, i managed to detached myself from the bed as soon as i gain consciousness in the morning. Starting by praising God for his mercy.

Wait! One thing that really helped me before those changes went into effect.
One night before falling asleep, I sat down open my bible and read the letters written by John (all 3 of them) aloud. I told myself that if I could sit in front of a tv set for more than three hours, i surely could do this too. I read them slowly, dwelling on the word and its meaning and application in my life. Then i closed my bible and turned off the light. Sitting on my bed, i decided to have a heart to heart talk with God. I basically unburdened myself and told him everything that was bothering me. Everything was put in the open as I used his word (which I have just read) to remind him of his promises. [one thing I found out, meditating on the word help transition a person for prayer, for the word of God provides you the words needed to express yourself]
Anyway, from that point on i decide to fast TV, and turn that time into a more active seeking after His will, and prayer for many people that have been on my mind, especially members of my family. The plan did not go so smoothly, i felt into the old pattern (at least 3 times) of spending countless time before the TV screen even when there was nothing going on on TV. The thing is I will start the week allright and then maybe two or three days later brake my promise of fasting TV.
As a result i had to go back to God asking for His mercy and starting right again.For the past 2 weeks, I can say thank to God i have been tv free.

There's more coming but I cannot type the whole story now,
Will you bear with me?
I'll type more in a little while, Ok? In the meantime I pray that the blood of Jesus covers you and that his everlasting mercies overrun you.
:girl_hug:
 
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Thank you for your responses and it is kind of you to say that it doesn't matter if I am a nuisance!!!!!! However, I still don't understand what you are saying in response to my 2 key questions:

Did I misunderstand what the Father's love letter was saying?

Or, am I doing something wrong?

These are the two questions that I feel I need to know the answers to.




Sorry!
 
Not sure what you are referring to regarding the Father's love letter.

How deep the Father's love for us that He should give His only Son for us to enjoy eternal life.

What exactly is it you are asking about?

There are many scriptures in the letter.

The way we learn anything is by asking questions sister.

God bless

Love in Christ :love: :rainbow: :rose:
 
I wrote in post no. 45:

" Now if the Father's love letter is true - and as it is quoted directly from the Bible, one has got to say that it is - then I must be doing something wrong because the sentiments of this letter is NOT that you will become a Christian and feel awful afterwards!!!!!

So, what am I doing wrong?"

So what I mean is this:

Why do I feel so awful, hurt , upset, confused,etc when I was expecting to feel better (not worse) after following the advice that I was given and saying that prayer.

Did I misunderstand the Father's love letter because my understanding was that it was going to be a positive experience not a negative experience?

If it was meant to be a positive experience, then I must be doing something wrong because I feel so upset, hurt etc etc. If I am doing something wrong, what is it?

This is why I wanted to give up yesterday, because this is so hard.

Does that make sense now?


 
It is good to think positively and expect to feel better. You probably have emotional hurts that need to be healed by Jesus.

We all go through trials and tribulations but we have Jesus with us when we do.

He never promised us a bed of roses but He did promise to always be with us.

We have to keep on keeping on hard as it might be.

You are now a new creation and will one day be in heaven when Jesus decides the time is right for you. To take your own life does not lead to heaven.

You have said today that you were feeling better than before so that is a good positive result from prayers.

Just talk to Jesus and tell Him all your worries and problems. Nothing is too small or too big for Him to handle. I sent you something to encourage you today too.

If you prayed the prayer sincerely from your heart then you are a born again Christian who can ask Jesus for what You need. He supplies our needs not our wants. Philippians 4. 19

God bless

Love in Christ :love: :rainbow: :rose:
 
I'm sitting here in tears because you are still not telling me what I am doing wrong.

I really, really, really don't understand - and I want to understand.

When you become a Christian I thought that it was meant to be a positive experience (which is the implication of the Father's love letter), so why am I feeling so much more hurt, upset, confused etc than I did before I said that prayer? I must be doing something wrong, but I don't know what it is.


I am so, so, sorry!
 
Answers

Originally Posted by Sadeyes
YOU said: "What am I doing wrong?

I hope that somebody will answer this question for me as I have been lying in bed this morning, thinking about things and just not knowing what I am doing wrong, but knowing that I must be doing something wrong. If you are telling me the truth (and I have no reason to think that you are not) then I must be doing something wrong because it is not working for me in the way that it is working for you.

Let me explain ...

Last week when I found this site, I was suicidal (because of the pain that I have to live with). I was actually on the internet looking for information on how to commit suicide when I came across this site.

I read the Father's love letter and it offered me such hope - which is more than the medical profession can do!! They have said that they can do nothing more for me other than to give me medication to help to control the pain.

I can not tell you which was my favourite line from the Father's love letter because it was all so moving and it really touched my heart. Could this be what I have been looking for all of my life?

I was then advised to follow some instructions and to say a prayer to become a Christian, which is what I did. I suppose that I was expecting something significant to happen then. I don't know what exactly, but perhaps a good 'feeling' inside of me or something like that.

I had had a fear that God would reject me and perhaps he has. All I know is that I feel very hurt, upset and frightened.

Now if the Father's love letter is true - and as it is quoted directly from the Bible, one has got to say that it is - then I must be doing something wrong because the sentiments of this letter is NOT that you will become a Christian and feel awful afterwards!!!!!

So, what am I doing wrong?

I have started to read my Bible (although that is hard) and I have tried to pray (but that is even harder).

If I can't find God, then I am back to where I was last week when I was suicidal. There is no point living with this pain 24/7.

I have spent a lot of the past 24 hours in tears. I feel very hurt because I wasn't expecting to find this all so difficult. I suppose that I was expecting it to make my existence easier rather than harder. Was that wrong of me to think that?

Last night I had so many kind posts saying to keep going and not to give up. My problem I suppose is that I haven't got the energy to have added hassles in my life. I struggle through every day as it is and now I have the added stress of trying to find the right thing to do in being a Christian.

Did I misunderstand what the Father's love letter was saying? Or am I doing something wrong?

I am desperate to have God in my life, like is offered in the Father's love letter.

Please help me to make it work as I have nowhere else to turn.

So sorry to be a nuisance, but I don't know what else to do. "

First and foremost, let me tell you that you are not doing something wrong. Don't blame yourself. You were thirsty and you just found the Fountain of Life which is the word of God.
You took the most difficult decision that anyone could possibly take, and you did the right thing.
You chose Christ. You chose Life.

It's understandable that you won't be feeling all the better overnight. God is mending your heart and your spirit (do keep reading the bible_ it is a much more superior to any medications that exist under heaven), but it is a slow process. But rest assured that though it takes time, God is at work in your life. He is working from the inside out.

Yesterday, I read Psalms 118 and it was such a blessing. Do you want to take a look at it?
You want to hear something from my personal testimony? When I accepted Christ as my Lord and Savior, I experienced something similar to what you mentioned. I was expecting an instant change. Maybe because I had read a book about someone's conversion and that person had said that after his conversion, when he left the building where he was, and walked outside, he looked and behold the sky looked bluer, and the grass greener.

Hey, I expected the same thing! But after my conversion i realized that not much had changed, in the outside world i must add!

growing in Christ for me was and is still a gradual process. I have still a lot to learn, but I thank God that even though I am not there yet, I am not where I used to be.

And no you did not misunderstand what the Father's Love letter said.
I pray that God's peace stay with you,
:girl_hug:
 
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Thank you for saying that I am not doing anything wrong and thank you for saying that I had not misunderstood the Father's love letter.

So why am I feeling like this? If it is not to do with me doing something wrong and if it is not that I misunderstood the Father's love letter, then why do I feel so awful?

I know that I am finding it all very overwhelming, but that is not a good enough reason to explain how awful I feel.

When I say that I feel awful, I am not referring to my medical condition. I mean - gosh! It is hard to put into words - a pain that wasn't there before I prayed that prayer. That is why I am so confused. As I said before, I was expecting it to be a positive experience and this, at the moment is not a positive experience for me.

But I want it to be a positive experience!!!!!

Once again, I need to say sorry.

I really hope that this makes sense to you.
 
Hi

I wrote in post no. 45:

" Now if the Father's love letter is true - and as it is quoted directly from the Bible, one has got to say that it is - then I must be doing something wrong because the sentiments of this letter is NOT that you will become a Christian and feel awful afterwards!!!!!

So, what am I doing wrong?"

So what I mean is this:

Why do I feel so awful, hurt , upset, confused,etc when I was expecting to feel better (not worse) after following the advice that I was given and saying that prayer.

Did I misunderstand the Father's love letter because my understanding was that it was going to be a positive experience not a negative experience?

If it was meant to be a positive experience, then I must be doing something wrong because I feel so upset, hurt etc etc. If I am doing something wrong, what is it?

This is why I wanted to give up yesterday, because this is so hard.

Does that make sense now?




It's good that you explained it that way now.
Let me give you a visual image.
Let suppose that a car got into an awful accident, and everybody who looks at the car thinks that it is a total mess.
At this point, every body's opinion is: "I think it's best to just dump the car and go get a new car.

Now suppose that the person who designed that car in the first place happened to be in the area where the wreckage occured, and sees that car.
That designer only makes custom made car, so no two models are ever the same.
Seeing what happened to that model of His; He is moved to compassion and decide to savage that car which everybody thinks is not worth much at this point. But the designer knows something that those people are not able to perceive. He knows that the car has a one of the kind engine system, and though it looks pretty bad on the outside, with care and a lot of works (remember God is the one doing all the works, and so is the car designer), He is confident that given a little time, He will be able to put the car back to its former glory.
Is this making sense so far?
So, the designer tow the car and brings it to his shop.
However, the repair He will not do it overnight. Not that He can't, but He choses not too, because.... Well, How can I explain this?
Well, each part of the car (the lights for example among all the other components) are hand-made. The process takes time but the end result is Worth it.
However, let's suppose that after a few repair the car (for argument sake, let's suppose that the car is an animated object) gets fed up and decide: "well, I think I am good enough. It's time for me to go handle my business". And then and there the car walks out of the shop. Do you think that the car got fully repaired?
 
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Have you...

Thank you for saying that I am not doing anything wrong and thank you for saying that I had not misunderstood the Father's love letter.

So why am I feeling like this? If it is not to do with me doing something wrong and if it is not that I misunderstood the Father's love letter, then why do I feel so awful?

I know that I am finding it all very overwhelming, but that is not a good enough reason to explain how awful I feel.

When I say that I feel awful, I am not referring to my medical condition. I mean - gosh! It is hard to put into words - a pain that wasn't there before I prayed that prayer. That is why I am so confused. As I said before, I was expecting it to be a positive experience and this, at the moment is not a positive experience for me.

But I want it to be a positive experience!!!!!

Once again, I need to say sorry.

I really hope that this makes sense to you.

Two things:
Have you found a bible based church where you can fellowship?


The awful feeling that you are experiencing can be that the enemy (satan) is trying to overwhelm you, and make you abandon the path that you recently started on.
Do not give in to that feeling.
keep prayer and reading the bible. ask God to give you peace.
Keep doing what you are doing_ meaning keep searching God's word and His presence.
The enemy does not want us to be happy. So, at this point he is furious that you have escaped from his fold and wants to make you second guess yourself. Don't listen to his voice. he is a liar and a deceiver and does not wish you well.

Once again have you found a bible based church wher you can fellowship?
It's important to your growth in Christ.
God bless you,
:girl_hug:
 
Thank you, thank you, thank you for both of your replies. Your second one in particular makes such good sense (so did the first one, but it still wasn't answering my question - in my understanding).

If the Father's love letter is true and I am not doing anything wrong, then it is satan who is causing this spiritual pain/stress.

THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE!!!!!!

So ...
  1. Is this normal after becoming a Christian?
  2. Will it subside in time?
  3. Will reading the Bible and praying help it to subside?
  4. Will praying for God's peace help it to subside?
I am so happy and relieved that somebody was able to answer my question. I went to bed last night really worried that God had rejected me (which only gave me a deeper horror to cope with). If you are right and this is satan ( and hopefully somebody is going to tell me that this is normal) then that in itself is going to make me feel better. As I said yesterday, I thought that I was doing something wrong, but I didn't know what it was.

Thank you so much for explaining my predicament.


As far as a church is concerned that is almost impossible as it is very hard for me to get out of the house due to my medical condition. This is why I have become so reliant on the internet. However, it would be really nice to meet other Christians.

Once again, thank you so much for taking the time to reply to my concern. You would not believe how much better I feel knowing that it is not my fault.

I wonder if it is wrong that I almost feel a giggle inside of me knowing that satan is furious with me?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 
Hello dear sister in Christ

We are in a spiritual battle but the battle does belong to the Lord. The enemy is a defeated foe.

1. Is this normal after becoming a Christian?
2. Will it subside in time?
3. Will reading the Bible and praying help it to subside?
4. Will praying for God's peace help it to subside?
Yes this is normal as satan has lost another person from his kingdom to God. He was thrown out of heaven and goes around like (he has no teeth) a roaring lion seeking those he can devour. The good news is that Jesus in us is greater than he that is in the world.

Yes it would be helpful for you to meet other born again Spirit filled Christians.

This place is like church for some people like yourself.

The answer to all 4 questions is yes. yes. yes. yes.

Your faith will grow as you listen to the Word of God. Listen to the Bible online. Let it sink into your heart, this will mean hearing the same scriptures repeated several times.

It took me years to fully believe that God loves me. I knew it in my head but did not receive it in my heart.

Ephesians 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

1 John 4:4
You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.

God bless

Love in Christ :love: :rainbow: :rose:
 
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You would not believe how happy I feel by your response. Thank you so much.



This spiritual pain that I have had since saying that prayer is still with me, but at least I know why and most importantly, it is not that God has rejected me.

I am so pleased to know that it is normal after becoming a Christian and that it will subside.



My spirit has been lifted so much by your response.

Thank you a million times.

 
Oh my gosh! lol

....I wonder if it is wrong that I almost feel a giggle inside of me knowing that satan is furious with me?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Hi dear,
I am soooooooooo glad that you finally found the answers you've been seeking after!
I read LLJ answer and thank God for her, she gave you the confirmation you needed.
I have to say this though: I am proud of you!
Why?
well, because with persistence you took the time to pester us with the questions that bothered you. lol
Will you do me a favor?
Would you mind listening to Joel Osteen online, whenever you can. His messages lift up one's spirit, and they do encourage me. Maybe this site can become your substitute church (meaning your web church). The worship and praise before the message is amazing! And if you love singing as I do, you'll definitely get to learn great songs that will build your faith and strenghten you in Christ.

Your last question is funny
I'm sitting here typing and I am grinning like an idiot (lol)
Much love from this side of heaven.:love:
Your sister in Christ,
:girl_hug:
 
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