Figure of speech/colloquialism?

[rstrats]

I would think in that parable . . . comparing Jonah as a son of man born of the flesh to the three days and nights "belly of whale" compared to Jesus the Son of man "heart of earth"

Three in parables represents the end of a matter You could say three in one.

Not so popular of a opinion but does ring out true. Three different kinds of promised demonstrations of the lamb slain from the foundation. The six days the Holy Father did his "Let there be" work of His creative faithfulness

Most look to the bloody demonstration of the cross a gospel sign to the unbelieving world. The second of three different kinds of demonstrations

Believers look to the prophecy the parable the bruising of the heel Spoken of in Genesis 3:15 with its witness Isaiah 53

Genesis 3:151;And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

The first of the three demonstrations began in the valley the garden of Gethsemane as shadow of the garden of Eden.

There the Holy Father began bruising the heel of the Son of man Jesus as a living suffering sacrifice crushing the head of the serpent. In his agony he reached out for strength from the other apostles three times. Three times the Holy Father Christ put the apostles back to sleep therefore fulfilled the prophecy of the work of two the dynamic dual .

Then the father woke them up and they moved to the hill of the skull the bloody demonstration. Then last but not least the tomb. Having finished the demonstrations in the tomb the Holy Father removed the grave clothes and rolled back the stone. . the light of the new day the first day. Let there be light

Three demonstrations as if one

Great parable teaching we are never alone even when others fall asleep.

Once again, your comments deal with issues for a different topic.

 

[Garee]

Once again, your comments deal with issues for a different topic.

Thanks sorry,

It did not seem to make any biblical sense any more, at one time I leaned more that common way .

It would appear you are not dividing the three-days and nights demonstration as three different kinds of demonstrations and rather making it about literally raising from dead and not the bruising of the heel the bruising of the Father pouring out His Holy Spirit life on dying flesh in jeopardy of His own Spirit life. . . .A person could say. By the gospel's healing power we can be healed

Three kinds of demonstrations of the dynamic dual. The Holy Father and Son gospel team

I think it is what the parable "drink blood eat flesh" refers to. The Faithful Holy Father pouring out His labor of love.

 

[rstrats]

Thanks sorry,

It did not seem to make any biblical sense any more...

To what is "it" referring?

It would appear you are not dividing the three-days and nights demonstration as three different kinds of demonstration..."

That is because it's an issue for a different topic.

 

[Garee]

To what is "it" referring?

That is because it's an issue for a different topic.

It, not making biblical sense is referring to what you posted 339 with respect to signaling out of crucifixion one of the three demonstrations during the three day and night demonstration. All three demonstrations took place

The second demonstration .The bloody husband Christ more popular with the world Giving the illusion of a Satan inspired crowed who did the work which Holy Father alone did as a gospel sign drawing people to the living word for answers

 

[rstrats]

It, not making biblical sense is referring to what you posted 339 with respect to signaling out of crucifixion one of the three demonstrations during the three day and night demonstration. All three demonstrations took place

The second demonstration .The bloody husband Christ more popular with the world Giving the illusion of a Satan inspired crowed who did the work which Holy Father alone did as a gospel sign drawing people to the living word for answers

And once again, nothing to do with this topic.

 

[Garee]

And once again, nothing to do with this topic.

If rightly dividing parables have nothing to do the topic. Then what?

Isolate the historical from the eternal?

Can Christ the husband as eternal Spirit bleed?

 

[rstrats]

If rightly dividing parables have nothing to do the topic. Then what?

The "what" is: If someone says that it was common usage I to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night could be, I would simply like to see some examples to support the assertion of commonality.

 

[rstrats]

Someone new looking in may know of examples.

 

[rstrats]

And remember, the someone new needs to be someone who believes the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with a 1st day of the week resurrection, and who thinks that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb, and who tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period and who has examples to legitimately assert that it was common to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with a event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.

 

[rstrats]

Since it's been a while, maybe someone new visiting this topic may know of examples.

 

[complete]

1. The Messiah said that three nights would be involved with His time in the "heart of the earth".

2. There are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

3. Of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

4. However, those two beliefs allow for only 2 nights to be involved.

5. To account for the discrepancy, some of the above say that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time, i.e., that it is was common to forecast or say that a day or a night would be involved with an event when no part of the day or no part of the night could occur.

6. In order for someone to legitimately say that it was common, they would have to know of more that 1 example to make that assertion.


I wonder if there is anyone here that knows of,

examples?

'And they gave him a piece of a cake of figs,
and two clusters of raisins:
and when he had eaten,
his spirit came again to him:
for he had eaten no bread,
nor drunk any water,
three days and three nights.'
(1Sam 30:12 )

'Now the LORD had prepared a great fish
to swallow up Jonah.
And Jonah was in the belly of the fish
three days and three nights.'
(Jon.1:17)

But He answered and said unto them,
An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign;
and there shall no sign be given to it,
but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly;
so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.'
(Matthew 12:39-40)

Hello @restrats,

Coming back to this forum after a while away, it was to this thread that the 'alert' brought me.

The fact that 'three days', is used by Hebrew idiom for any part of three days and three nights is not disputed; because that was the common way of reckoning, just as it was when used of years. Three or any number of years was used inclusively of any part of those years, as may be seen, in the reckoning of the reigns of any ot the Kings of Israel and Judah.

But, when the number of 'nights' is stated as well as the number of 'days', then the expression ceases to be an idiom, and becomes a literal statement of fact.

Moreover, as the Hebrew day began at sunset the day was reckoned from one sunset to another, the 'twelve hours in the day' (John 11:9) being reckoned from sunrise, and the twelve hours of the night from sunset. An evening - morning was thus used for a whole day of twenty-four hours, as in the first chapter of Genesis. Hence the expression 'a night and a day' in 2 Cor. 11:20) denotes a complete day

When Esther says (Est 4:16) 'fast ye for me, and neither eat nor drink three days', she defines her meaning as being three complete days, because she adds (being a Jewess) 'night or day'. And when it is written that the fast ended on 'the third day' (5:1), 'The third day' must have succeeded and included the third night.

In like manner the sacred record states that the young man (in 1 Sam.30:12) 'had eaten no bread, nor drunk any water, three days and three nights'. So when the young man explains the reason, he says' because three days agone I fell sick'. He means therefore three complete days and nights, because, being an Egyptian (vv. 11-13) he naturally reckoned his day as beginning at sunrise according to the Egyptian manner. His 'three day agone' refers to the beginning of his sickness, and includes the whole period, giving the reason for his having gone without food during the whole period stated.

So, when it says that 'Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights' (Jonah 1:17) it means exactly what it says, and that this can be the only meaning of the expression in Matt. 12:40; 16:4.

In Christ Jesus
Chris