God and divorce...

[PloughBoy]

Most people have heard about covenants, the problem is that they don't understand what it is, its function, or its principles of operation...and sadly, there is no way to summerize what they are. The most basic thing I could say is that a covenant is like a modern day contract except for one main difference - covenants always bring the participants into personal relationships. In the ancient near east, you did not enter into a covenant with a person/persons without understanding that you were entering into a legal familial relationship with him/them.

Think of a business contract on the same level and effect as a marriage relationship. The closest we have in America would be marriage or Native American "blood brother" covenants...when you share your blood with another, you become one with that person, just like Scripture says takes place in marriage. In God's eyes, when the man and woman have sex they become one individual living out life in two different persons. In God's eyes, there is no such thing as divorce because once you have been united with the other, there is no way to break that union, simply because they are no longer two individuals - they are one in His eyes.

Yet, He allows divorce for certain reasons.

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But to the point I do not believe that “The Bible” teaches that, once The marriage Ceremony has been completed within ones “culture [custom] upon final declaration in that custom of the people of that land. A divorce is not sanction by GOD. But if a divorce has been taken or come to be, both must remain “unmarried “ until the other is dead!

So that is my stand, until proven wrong, When I stand before “GOD” at “The BEMA SEAT”

But I know there are many who stand with you, on your assessment:
Your quote:
“Yet, He allows divorce for certain reasons.”

And I am of “The Few”

If one divorces and marry another and have sex! That SEX is called “Adultery”! Now if anyone, wants to take that chance! Go right ahead

My advice if you have fallen into that “Trap” STOP having Sex! And become a Modern Day “Monk”! Be ye male or Female!

And find you another place so you will not be temped to have sex.

I would not Advise to divorce again! Two wrongs do not equal a Right! Just be patience. For “GOD” knows your Dilemma! “separate”!

 

[PloughBoy]

No...what you are claiming here is part of the false religion of calvinism...you really need to learn what the true gospel of Jesus Christ and Scripture teaches. No one is condemned because of Adam's sin, that nonsense came straight out of calvin's carnal mind as he listened to the doctrines of demons.



I have no idea who you are talking about...probably just another figment from your imagination???

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That is my view before I even knew what a John Calvin was! I read my Bible from front to back about 2 times in one month and about 5-10 straight through my 1st year within my conversion! 1977! I never even heard the word John Calvin until about 5-6 years after I got saved!

I thought every true Christian was to learn the whole Bible by heart!

I was learning every word of the Oxford version of The “NSRB” copyright 1967 by heart about 14 hours a day 7 days a week, I stop having sex with my wife! Until I got to the book of Corinthians and it said it was my duty! So the only reason I did it, the Bible it was my duty! Man the “Holy Ghost” was better than Sex! I was a fool for Jesus!

Everybody kept saying you a Calvinist! I didn’t say nothing, heck, I didn’t know what they was talking about! And didn’t want them to know I didn’t know. So finally after about 10 years later.

I said to myself who is this John Calvin these people are talking about!

Then my wife, She said you talk like those other folks. I said what other folks you taking about!


She said you talk just like Them! She said I cannot understand them, and I cannot understand you! She said I send them money all the time and listen to them on radio, they say the exact same things you say!

You use all those big old Theological words! Like “Predestination”!

So a long story made short. I read The “Biographies” about the life of The “John Calvin” and I found out this man believes just like me! And he sounds just like me!

And oh, GOD the tears started to fall from my eyes! I was not alone. For I had attended a “Reformed Bible College” but they never mention “John Calvin” but the others like “William Tyndale” final everything fell right in place! “design by GOD”!

1. Martin Lloyld Jones
2.G. Campbell Morgan
3.John Knox
4. John Colet
5. John Hux
6. John Chrysostom
7. Augustine
8.Thomas Aquinas
9.Dietrich Bonhoeffer
10. Tertullian
11. Jonathan Edwards
12. Ambrose
13. Athanasius
14. Martin Luher
15.Ignatius
16. George Whitfield
17. William Tyndale
18. John Wycliffe
19. Polycarp
20. And Charles Haddon Spurgeon!

And a host of “Puritans”

“ biographies“ filled with the richness of GOD, and “Painted all together like a masterpiece woven into a “priceless” Mosaic, who’s Architect is “The ALMIGHTY GOD”

Oh, My GOD, what A GOD “The ALMIGHTY GOD” is!
Jesus Open That Door and introduce me to “GOD The FATHER”! I thought receiving The Holy GHOST was something and it was, I thought surrendering To the “LORDSHIP” of “GOD the SON” but When The “SON” Introduce me To “The FATHER” I was Over Whelm, there are no words to describe it!
WOW!

And you just Listen. One word, describes a Million, within a moment. Beyond your mind. You mind cannot go there or can it explain it!

Oh’ yes, I know how to speak “Calvinese”!

Most Christian’s only know and convey a worldly “Christianity” and their view is only a worldly view of The Son of The Living GOD and that is what they describe as The Good news about Jesus the Son of God and not “The Gospel According To Jesus who is The Anointed of GOD ALMIGHTY!

Yes it is sad because this is how they have been taught.

 

[PloughBoy]

But to the point I do not believe that “The Bible” teaches that, once The marriage Ceremony has been completed within ones “culture [custom] upon final declaration in that custom of the people of that land. A divorce is not sanction by GOD. But if a divorce has been taken or come to be, both must remain “unmarried “ until the other is dead!

So that is my stand, until proven wrong, When I stand before “GOD” at “The BEMA SEAT”

But I know there are many who stand with you, on your assessment:
Your quote:
“Yet, He allows divorce for certain reasons.”

And I am of “The Few”

If one divorces and marry another and have sex! That SEX is called “Adultery”! Now if anyone, wants to take that chance! Go right ahead

My advice if you have fallen into that “Trap” STOP having Sex! And become a Modern Day “Monk”! Be ye male or Female!

And find you another place so you will not be temped to have sex.

I would not Advise to divorce again! Two wrongs do not equal a Right! Just be patience. For “GOD” knows your Dilemma! “separate”!

 

[Rhema]

I was learning every word of the Oxford version of The “NSRB” copyright 1967

What the heck is the NSRB ?

You mean NRSV ?

The New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) is an English translation of the Bible published in 1989 by the National Council of Churches.

I would be shocked if I'm actually missing a Bible in my library. (So shock me.... )

TIA,
Rhema

5. John Hux

"Hus" ... Jan Hus

 

[Garee]

That would be true but (if you understood Scripture correctly) marriage is more than just covenant; God designed men and women to become one when they have sexual intercourse...NOTHING can break that bond, it is a spiritual principle, and spiritual principle is magnitudes higher than simple doctrine. Those who think covenant was made to be broken have a problem walking with God - relationship with God is based upon covenant.

As I have stated before, there will be millions of people claiming to be Christians who are in for a rude awakening when they stand before God on judgment day...deceived right out of relationship with God and into eternal fire.

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Covenant is simply law . It would seem God does the work of establishing covenant between the father and the Son . The just and justifier.

Are all covenant people dispensationalist ?

How would according to your understanding of covenant people understand the phrase a thousand years in Revelation 20 ?

Has not the believer been declared guilty according to the letter of the law (death) ? How would they stand before God on judgment day seeing its appointed to die once .

 

[PloughBoy]

What the heck is the NSRB ?

You mean NRSV ?

The New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) is an English translation of the Bible published in 1989 by the National Council of Churches.

I would be shocked if I'm actually missing a Bible in my library. (So shock me.... )

TIA,
Rhema


"Hus" ... Jan Hus

Well. This “iPhone text editor’ has “Biblical bias of its own. And now I am getting tried of going back and forth correct it’s grammar especially archaic words.

The name is “John Huss” or Jan, as you say but who cares, and John Calvin was a “Hussite” so may I be.

And I did love & have the “Harper Study Bible Bible” early edition (RSV).
Early edition pre 1977

A (NSRB) is a “New Scofield Reference or [Study System] Bible” for me “copyright 1967 & 1969” ONLY!!!!

I got a Library full of early copy right bibles in my basement.

William Tyndale New Testament
Coverdale
Geneva Bible
1611 AV
4-5 Thompson Chain Reference bibles early copyrights
About 6-7 copies “NSRB”
5-6 ASV, NASB
2 Harper Study Bible early copyrights
Charles Ryie bible
And a lot more
I bet I got over a value of $5,000 dollar of bibles alone in my Library in the basement. Not including small library on the 1st floor and the second floor of our house!

Todays model day computers system and internet is very anti- biblical sound by design! To place a little leaven in the lump of the modern day Christian mind.

My biblical learning came about before we had personal computers and “worldwide web”!

It was all hard copy, catching the bus and spending all day at the main Library in the close out glass protected “Biblical Reference Department” Reference books! That is where you spent your Saturdays! For years!

“Faith without works is dead” “I will show you my Faith by My works”

I burnt The Midnight Oil, I trusted no church no pastor, and sure did not trust a Sunday School teacher!

When I put my Hand to The Plough, I did not look back!

Oh how I discover all of the lies that was being taught!

And the time came in close session of pastors, Doctors of Divinity, Doctors of Theological Studies Harvard and Yale Grads and the rest!

They ask Me! In Round table discussions. I could not believe it!
What was my opinion! Now what, and how did I get here! I Thank God! By this time. 3 years since my conversion.

I have read that Bible from front to back about 15 to 20 times every word with a real dictionaries. (NSRB) copyright 1967! When I got through speaking, they said oh my GOD, called my name! And they said from old to the young, “Nothing but The Pure Word of GOD” and from that day, I have lecture to Pastors Ministers,, Theologians by request and sometimes call in to Lecture to take their place on certain topics to take their places, Not mere church services! Close services for Pastors only during the week 300 strong!

And none of this was by choice or desire to do so

I never never has wanted any leadership position! In any thing!

I just always wanted to be good in what I do!
sweep the floor clean bathroom, mop the floor, clean the kitchen, dust the rooms, clean the windows, wash the clothes, Shovel Goal, Roller Skate, horseback rider, Football player. And know my position and stay in it and do my part well! You do your part and I will do my part! You stay in your lane and I will stay in my lane!

I can clean house decorate, hang curtains, cook, wash than any woman! My mom re decorated the house 3 to 4 times a year! Betty Crocker got nothings on us!

A woman cannot out do me concerning house care! And landscaper man cannot out do me in Flowers and lawn care! No matter what I do, I do not cut no corners, I guess those myself, is where I meet GOD! Since o been a little cleaning our bathroom since I was 5 years old! Clean that bathroom so good twice a day! I would those faucets shining like new money, I would buff them! I amaze my mother! I still Shine my shoes! I wear good leather shoes!! Not that cardboard stuff! I still got those old heavy style shoes trees!

And I am long winded!
And I can do Sermonettes and Impromptus!

 

[PloughBoy]

Yep I am old, I study those men decades ago, I studying their lives a long time ago! I am retired! I remember certain things that happen in each one’s life! Always! For they are a part of The Body of Christ! And what they went through gives me comfort of endurance. All of them and many more their lives have encouraged me, not their teachings! their Lives!

 

[Rhema]

A (NSRB) is a “New Scofield Reference or [Study System] Bible” for me “copyright 1967 & 1969” ONLY!!!!

Thank you kindly, but the Scofield is a KJV Bible. I've never heard of it referred to as an NSRB, just "the Scofield." Interesting.

And no saint was this man:

Perhaps in part because of his self-confessed heavy drinking, Scofield abandoned his wife and two daughters during this period. Leontine Cerrè Scofield divorced him on grounds of desertion in 1883, and the same year Scofield married Hettie Hall von Wartz, with whom he eventually had a son. (Wikipedia)​

Though he was later trained as a Calvinist:

Scofield came under the mentorship of James H. Brookes, pastor of Walnut Street Presbyterian Church, St. Louis, a prominent dispensationalist premillennialist.​

It would not be surprising that his reference notations in the King James would promote Calvinist theology. Nor should it be surprising that you, reading them, would internalize Calvinist thought.

Again thanks,
Rhema

John Calvin was a “Hussite” so may I be.

I must strongly disagree with that assertion, kind sir. The ministry of Hus directly led to the Moravian Church which is rather non-Calvinist in their fundamentals.

I trusted no church no pastor, and sure did not trust a Sunday School teacher!

But you do trust translators.

 

[PloughBoy]

Thank you kindly, but the Scofield is a KJV Bible. I've never heard of it referred to as an NSRB, just "the Scofield." Interesting.

And no saint was this man:

Perhaps in part because of his self-confessed heavy drinking, Scofield abandoned his wife and two daughters during this period. Leontine Cerrè Scofield divorced him on grounds of desertion in 1883, and the same year Scofield married Hettie Hall von Wartz, with whom he eventually had a son. (Wikipedia)​

Though he was later trained as a Calvinist:

Scofield came under the mentorship of James H. Brookes, pastor of Walnut Street Presbyterian Church, St. Louis, a prominent dispensationalist premillennialist.​

It would not be surprising that his reference notations in the King James would promote Calvinist theology. Nor should it be surprising that you, reading them, would internalize Calvinist thought.

Again thanks,
Rhema


I must strongly disagree with that assertion, kind sir. The ministry of Hus directly led to the Moravian Church which is rather non-Calvinist in their fundamentals.


But you do trust translators.

That’s right you Right!

You call them up and straight all of them Out and sue them while you are at, because you the authority on “ACRONYMS” & “ ARCHAICWords and a “Accredited Biblical Historian” and if they don’t straighten their materials you area going to higher court from one end of The earth to the next! Including “Russia, China, Australia, and The “UAE”!

Google Search

www.google.com

Because you are not a lame duck want to be! For you are the real thing!!

That is right you got years and lonely hours for the things that comes out of your Mouth!!!

You got my support, go for it!!!

Straighten Them out for your are a Professional in “Theological Corrections”! A office of Highly Concerns!

You are bad. Mama Jammer!!!

 

[PloughBoy]

PS. You got anything to say about the few drunks, and pagans atheist who were instrumental in the group that gave us The “AV” 1611!

And since you are the “ Authority concerning Biblical Scholars!

For Sir, you are “Very Impressive”!

What else do you have in That Head?
Impress us more “Rhema”.

 

[PloughBoy]

Thank you kindly, but the Scofield is a KJV Bible. I've never heard of it referred to as an NSRB, just "the Scofield." Interesting.

And no saint was this man:

Perhaps in part because of his self-confessed heavy drinking, Scofield abandoned his wife and two daughters during this period. Leontine Cerrè Scofield divorced him on grounds of desertion in 1883, and the same year Scofield married Hettie Hall von Wartz, with whom he eventually had a son. (Wikipedia)​

Though he was later trained as a Calvinist:

Scofield came under the mentorship of James H. Brookes, pastor of Walnut Street Presbyterian Church, St. Louis, a prominent dispensationalist premillennialist.​

It would not be surprising that his reference notations in the King James would promote Calvinist theology. Nor should it be surprising that you, reading them, would internalize Calvinist thought.

Again thanks,
Rhema


I must strongly disagree with that assertion, kind sir. The ministry of Hus directly led to the Moravian Church which is rather non-Calvinist in their fundamentals.


But you do trust translators.

And for your information, I did not say “Scofield Bible” as you proclaim, I said; “The New Scofield Reference Bible” copyrighted 1967”!

And since you are, a Authoritarian concerning the subject at hand, let me remind you there is, a great difference between The 2 translation concerning The “Biblical Text”!

Now if you are confused about “Footnotes” and The “Biblical Text” of Holy Scripture.
I am so sorry

Your quote:
Thank you kindly, but the Scofield is a KJV Bible.

I said: New Scofield, copyright 1967

And you can add to you information a “new Scofield or Scofield what ever you want to call it! Comes in other flavors “NKJB”, “NIV”, “NASB” and may be more flavors, just like
“Baskin-RoBBins”!
In even in Pink!

And by now they might or will have a “LGBTQ” Version!

And I do not have to be a “Prophet” to see that coming!

For The Modern Day Bibles, have pick up The Slogan, like a Hamburger, “Have it Your Way” even if you want “Soy beans”. Instead of Real Meat!

So here we go again:
“what looks Like a Duck Might Not Be A Duck”
“ What Quacks like A Duck might not be A Duck”

“what Walks like A Duck Might Not be A Duck”

What Looks Like a Woman and Walks like A women. And talks like a woman and smells like a Woman and feels like a woman Might Not Be A Women, in “Theological Terms”

 

[Rhema]

You got my support, go for it!!!

Sarcasm doesn't become you.

 

[PloughBoy]

Sarcasm doesn't become you.

You think?

Apostle Paul said:

New American Standard Bible
“To the weak I became weak, that I might gain the weak; I have become all things to all people, so that I may by all means save some.”

 

[Shaolin]

That is my view before I even knew what a John Calvin was! I read my Bible from front to back about 2 times in one month and about 5-10 straight through my 1st year within my conversion! 1977! I never even heard the word John Calvin until about 5-6 years after I got saved!

I thought every true Christian was to learn the whole Bible by heart!

I was learning every word of the Oxford version of The “NSRB” copyright 1967 by heart about 14 hours a day 7 days a week, I stop having sex with my wife! Until I got to the book of Corinthians and it said it was my duty! So the only reason I did it, the Bible it was my duty! Man the “Holy Ghost” was better than Sex! I was a fool for Jesus!

Everybody kept saying you a Calvinist! I didn’t say nothing, heck, I didn’t know what they was talking about! And didn’t want them to know I didn’t know. So finally after about 10 years later.

I said to myself who is this John Calvin these people are talking about!

Then my wife, She said you talk like those other folks. I said what other folks you taking about!


She said you talk just like Them! She said I cannot understand them, and I cannot understand you! She said I send them money all the time and listen to them on radio, they say the exact same things you say!

You use all those big old Theological words! Like “Predestination”!

So a long story made short. I read The “Biographies” about the life of The “John Calvin” and I found out this man believes just like me! And he sounds just like me!

And oh, GOD the tears started to fall from my eyes! I was not alone. For I had attended a “Reformed Bible College” but they never mention “John Calvin” but the others like “William Tyndale” final everything fell right in place! “design by GOD”!

1. Martin Lloyld Jones
2.G. Campbell Morgan
3.John Knox
4. John Colet
5. John Hux
6. John Chrysostom
7. Augustine
8.Thomas Aquinas
9.Dietrich Bonhoeffer
10. Tertullian
11. Jonathan Edwards
12. Ambrose
13. Athanasius
14. Martin Luher
15.Ignatius
16. George Whitfield
17. William Tyndale
18. John Wycliffe
19. Polycarp
20. And Charles Haddon Spurgeon!

And a host of “Puritans”

“ biographies“ filled with the richness of GOD, and “Painted all together like a masterpiece woven into a “priceless” Mosaic, who’s Architect is “The ALMIGHTY GOD”

Oh, My GOD, what A GOD “The ALMIGHTY GOD” is!
Jesus Open That Door and introduce me to “GOD The FATHER”! I thought receiving The Holy GHOST was something and it was, I thought surrendering To the “LORDSHIP” of “GOD the SON” but When The “SON” Introduce me To “The FATHER” I was Over Whelm, there are no words to describe it!
WOW!

And you just Listen. One word, describes a Million, within a moment. Beyond your mind. You mind cannot go there or can it explain it!

Oh’ yes, I know how to speak “Calvinese”!

Most Christian’s only know and convey a worldly “Christianity” and their view is only a worldly view of The Son of The Living GOD and that is what they describe as The Good news about Jesus the Son of God and not “The Gospel According To Jesus who is The Anointed of GOD ALMIGHTY!

Yes it is sad because this is how they have been taught.

So...long story short...you are a calvinist, not understanding that calvinism is just another false "christian" religion like JW's and Mormonism, David Koresh, etc...

That does explain a lot...

..

 

[Shaolin]

But to the point I do not believe that “The Bible” teaches that, once The marriage Ceremony has been completed within ones “culture [custom] upon final declaration in that custom of the people of that land. A divorce is not sanction by GOD. But if a divorce has been taken or come to be, both must remain “unmarried “ until the other is dead!

So that is my stand, until proven wrong, When I stand before “GOD” at “The BEMA SEAT”

But I know there are many who stand with you, on your assessment:
Your quote:
“Yet, He allows divorce for certain reasons.”

And I am of “The Few”

If one divorces and marry another and have sex! That SEX is called “Adultery”! Now if anyone, wants to take that chance! Go right ahead

My advice if you have fallen into that “Trap” STOP having Sex! And become a Modern Day “Monk”! Be ye male or Female!

And find you another place so you will not be temped to have sex.

I would not Advise to divorce again! Two wrongs do not equal a Right! Just be patience. For “GOD” knows your Dilemma! “separate”!

Again, we are not to go beyond what God has told us in His Word. If He allows divorce for certain reasons, then men have no right to condemn someone who falls within God's strict guidelines. He is God, you are not. Going beyond what God tells us in Scripture takes us into legalistic sinful situations.

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[Shaolin]

How come people ALWAYS drop out the word "flesh" ??

It surprises me you would.

Rhema

Upon reflection, you are correct...I should not have left that out.

Thanks!

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[Christ4Ever]

Well, it's time to lock the thread since it's gone away from the topic for which it was intended and has moved into the personal denigrations that for some reason believers are good at directing towards their brethren. I can only believe that it's like a family that gets cooped up during the winter and have the occasional wall to wall discussions which end in hugs and laughter. Rather than the Cain & Abel type.

I'm sure when we're all in Glory Land that our Heavenly Father will have us all divided in corners by our theological proclivity. Until then, can we try to behave and stay on point to whatever thread topic we agree to disagree on that we're involved in. Please.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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[Christ4Ever]

I've reopened the thread.
Let's see if there has been enough time passed that a look once again at the subject through God's Word might produce fruitful growth in those who contribute, as well as those who might read the words on the postings herein.

Always remember what we do, we do for the Glory of God!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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[Garee]

What God has joined together let no man separate. Physical abuse and eye for an eye.

Death is the wage of divorce. The living death for those who continue to abuse. God divorced Israel for its continual abuse.

It can be forgiven. In the same way as multiple wives or husbands.

 

[God's Truth]

What God has joined together let no man separate. Physical abuse and eye for an eye.

Death is the wage of divorce. The living death for those who continue to abuse. God divorced Israel for its continual abuse.

It can be forgiven. In the same way as multiple wives or husbands.

God was speaking symbolically. We humans however are not to have more than one spouse since Jesus.