John 3:31 The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all.
The soul started on the earth and belongs to it.
Maybe God was not sarcastic but referring to Job's spirit memory.
Science is starting to think the Brain (Flesh Part) might actually be the connector to something like a soul. We are spirits with souls encased in a flesh body. The engrafted Word is able to save our souls, and Paul said they believe unto the saving of our soul, so I think while we are here, the Word changed our mental soulish part to get in line with our born again spirit and Holy Spirit.
Lots of believers don't think we are spirit, because to be a spirit would mean they would have to believe in eternal punishment. Jesus went to hell and preached to the spirits in prison. Those spirit seemed to be able to comprehend and respond to Jesus while he brought many out of the grave with him.
As for Job...................... All God is asking Job is if Job was here at the start to know all the things He knows, or you so Old Job that your wisdom is just amazing and you know everything. There is not a whole lot to read into but you can tell God is pretty annoyed at Job for running his mouth about things He had no understanding about.
One time my wife was just upset because God she thought was not giving her some wisdom on what to do about something. She went on and on about seeking God for weeks and she is none the smarter about what to do. One morning she is just going into a thing and complaining to me about it, and why God won't talk to her.
Well, I go to God to ask him for her. The Lord spoke to me almost right away, He said, "
YOU go tell that wife of yours, the answer is in black and white, she would know it, as it's Red (Read)"
Then a verse came to me about something Jesus had said. Something she read, but I guess the Word was not good enough, God had to come down in a burning bush to get the answer across to her, but she had the answer the whole time.
God is always Loving and if He uses Sarcasm, it's only to get us to see something and change silly thinking. Like He told Judah, You have more gods than you have cities.
Not directly on subject, but I don't consider someone who says things like:
"Jesus never actually claimed to be God" (Kenneth Copeland, "Take Time To Pray," Believers Voice of Victory, Feb. 1987)
"You don't have a god in you, you are one!" (Kenneth Copeland, "The Force of Love", Audiotape, 1987)
"When I read the Bible where He (Jesus) says, 'I AM,' I say, 'Yes, I AM too!' " (Kenneth Copeland, Crusade meeting, July 19, 1987)
From the pulpit. I consider such to be wolves.
Blessings,
Travis
Well, That's fine. I suppose forums do branch off and take a break at times from the OP. We all mention things that prick other members interest and I guess mentioning Brother Copeland pricked some things you don't agree with about Him.
He is a Modern Trinity believer, something I am not. Jesus is the 2nd persons in the Godhead he says. I am sure He picked that up at ORU working with Brother Roberts.
We may not like certain ministers, but I can tell you, nobody has perfect revelation, and if a minister is off and unwilling to change, there is judgement. Scripture says follow those who through faith and patience inherit the promises, and ministers that are doing wrong, those promises fall apart, and things in their life start to get destroyed. God is longsuffering and full of mercy, but Judgement will come and you will see it in the lives of those who refuse to change.
I can list a whole bunch that started decent, but died early or have had their ministry removed. Even Benny Hinn. He blasted all those Anit-Prosperity preachers, he dogged out Joel Osteen saying He would punch Joel in the mouth, and now He is several million in debt, something He preached against. Crefflo Dollar, something was up with him, you could feel it in your spirit. Had a murder in his church, the issue with his daughter, something is off.
Preachers get into trouble with God not really based on their teaching but their heart condition.Heart condition leads to wrong teaching. When we listen to someone, we need to hear the spirit coming from them. More than once my Pastor said that God knows the end from the Beginning. Now some folks go Amen, but I can't stand misquoting any scriptures, and there is no scripture that says that.
the other day I got irritated in Church at a song we sang by Chris Tomlin. Chris writes 3 in 1 Father, Holy Spirit and Son. What scripture is that? i am not Roman Catholic and even so, Chris mixed the order up to make it rhyme. Chris don't even care to get his Doctrine right because the song must rhyme. I expect higher standards than that, but I am not in charge of our music at church either.
We also have to be careful on quoting folks from years back to say their wrong. I certainly hope I am growing and changing, not staying the same, learning more. Far be it from me to take a quote and judge someone on something they said. Even worse, to take one quote and ignore all the rest. They could be right if i heard the whole thing.
In the early 90's Joyce Meyers said Jesus was tortured in Hell by devils. What scripture is that? I read he went to hell, defeated it, and hell could not hold him. It might not have been pretty down there, but he was the one kicking butt, not the other way around. people still blast her for that, but she has since changed her stance and was just saying things she picked up from someone else who was wrong.
So, I have no idea where Brother Copeland gets that he is I am also. I would have to hear the whole thing, and to defend it would be speculation on my part.
Jesus never claimed he was God. however, He did not correct Thomas when Thomas called him God, and He did not correct the Pharisees when they were going to stone him for making Himself out as God being the Son of God. instead He said you all are gods just like me, and scripture cannot be changed. I know why Jesus said that to them, but you would have to compare other scriptures to see it.
We are gods......................... ya, that gets folks ruffled up. One thing we are not is evolved from anything. We are God's offspring, Born of the Word which is God, the same as God, and created in the image of God. In God's eyes, we are gods, his children, just like him. this is what happens when we don't grasp god is a old German word "Gott" and Theos in Greek actually is a immortal being, which is how they heard it. When folks think of us being gods, ti drums up visions of all powerful beings, but that is not what scripture is saying. We have to be judged on the level of who we were created like, and man is expected by their nature to act like the father and not a beast of some kind.
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
(Php 2:5-7)
So, if you want to be god, Like the Father, then your Character and nature is not to think of yourself, pray for your enemies, serve others, don't worry about how you look.
I am personally against using expressions that I know will put people on edge. Like I am Christ. That sort of is technically correct, we are the anointed ones, Anointed. Though by language technically correct, it's off in context. There is another Greek Word to mean anointed and Christ is used as a Title and understood to be Jesus the Messiah (Christ)
Anyway, I'll drum up my theory on Adam and let everyone judge here in a bit. Daughter needs computer to do school work.
Thank you Travis for amazing thought and scriptures.
