Have we been invaded By the Nominals, are they leading and growing strong in Their Proclamation into Their Agenda

[Gregoryp]

"The local church is where believers can fully apply the “body” principles of 1 Corinthians chapter 12—encouraging, teaching, and building one another up in the knowledge and grace of the Lord Jesus Christ." Now how many so called christians actually do that and preach the truth? Almost none.

 

[PloughBoy]

Sorry PloughBoy.

You are wayyy in over your head here. (Admit it and Own it.) We HAVE both Lexicons (dictionaries) AND books on Greek grammar written in Greek from 1900 years ago. The Greek's were pretty smart back then, and a wealthy Roman would hire a Greek tutor to teach their children how to read and write. Just like today where we have English dictionaries and English books on English grammar written in English so that one can learn English, so it was 2,000 years ago ... in Greek. Haven't you even heard of the library in Alexandria Egypt? (Yes, they even had libraries 2,000 years ago.)

Do you really think all translators just make stuff up ??

Even you quote Bible verses, and so RELY upon translators and translations. Sometimes they get it wrong. That's why I decided to learn Greek 45 years ago. What are you doing? (Besides running around and falsely claiming that the word "church" was added to translations.) It wasn't. You made a mistake. Own it.


Like you are the person who's supposed to determine what the words in the Bible mean and which English words should be used? I even asked, and you can't tell me what εκκλησια means. (Still waiting.)


IT... what? You wrote IT must be revealed. WHAT ?? What is the "it" ??

Are you truly going to boast here that you are that only person to whom things have been revealed ??

And how ?? How is "it" revealed ?? Do you rely on the Bible at all ??

(So now I'm presented with posts from you that have both deception and pride. What should people do about that? What should YOU do about that?)

If you TRULY believed that you would shut up and stop posting. But you DON'T believe that. That's why you post.

Again, you stepped in it, twice now, so man up and own it. Your posts have shown that you don't have a clue about the history of language and translation, so Just be honest and post that you don't know how to read Greek, and that you yourself rely upon a translated Bible AND the definition of English words that you read in English translations. Can you be honest and do that? I hope you can.

Thanks,
Rhema

And who told you the nonsense that the Vulgate is "Corrupted" ?? More direct revelation from Jesus ?? (Hardly. And I don't think you l can read Latin either.)

At least I can read the Book for myself. YOU CAN'T. (You need translations. The translations that you've wrongly criticized and the translators you have dissed.)

I am sorry my "Theological: training in "The Reformed Faith' Pertaining to "Theology Proper" And my Form of "Hermeneutics' "Grammatical Historical method. Has done me well, My mother well, my father well, and many others, who have come to The Faith. And many have come back and thank me. For my testimony and For me being A "Hebrew" Task master. for over 44 years! Threw Lectures, sermons, and being a "Father" in the faith and a "Pastor" of Pastors. Not by choice , But Chosen of GOD and testified before i Knew it, by "The Presbytery". That Sunday Morning Church Services is not for me! My Sunday Mornings was "Tuesday Morning" Closed sessions, among "Theologians", Elders, Pastors, Doctors of Divinity' And "Ministers of Religious Studies".
For they had declared that i had what they said: "A MIRACULOUS CONVERSION", A HOST OF PASTORS SAID THEY COULD NOT TEACH ME ANYTHING,THAT GOD WOULD!

YOU SEE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT KIND OF EFFECT THAT HAD ON ME! I knew Biblical words and in context before I read the BOOK! and they witness it. In The power of the "HOLY GHOST". You see all the church going people chariest stuff like that, Wanting to do GREAT THINGS for GOD, searching for things like "What is GOD's will for my Life" "i thought all those "PASTORS" And HARVARD and YALE, Theologians, and ""Union Theological University" Grads was out their Mind! I was not going join no body's church, i am going home and read my Bible and raise my family. Telling me what i was going to be, they crazy! I thought!..... They told me , go ahead home, you will see! ..... I was witnessing, walking down street, going to hospitals , going to all my relative houses, lying my hands on strangers! I would go into The Drug Houses and talking them about JESUS and THEY LIKE IT!........And not looking back! Every where i went i was telling people about Jesus and what he has done to me!....... In my old neighbor, people coming by my house in droves asking, what did i do that was so bad, They would be crying asking me why I start talking about JESUS. Big Men crying tears, asking me why did i change! They would sit their in amazement , As I talked about what He had done to me.! The more i talked about JESUS and SAID HIS NAME The HIGHER I WOULD GET, I would be STONE DRUNK of The SPIRIT of THE LIVING GOD! And if YOU was a True Child of GOD" you would get "DRUNK TOO" and your eyes would get "BLOOD SHOT" Red too, if stood beside me! And I ain't LYING!

JESUS IS REAL! WAY BEYOND THIS WORLD, Can even imagine!..... For this WORLD HAS NOTHING TO OFFER, compare what GOD has In stored for THOSE WHO LOVE GOD!

Houses, lands,, children , wives, husbands, Billions, is nothing compared to THE ANOINTING OF GOD! John CALVIN calls it The "IRESISTIBLE GRACE"! For many called themselves, "Christians" truly must has not tasted, what i have tasted! If they have, why are they so warm! and Their souls are not On FIRE! "by their fruits you will know them" And many i have seen are no different than the good people of this world or all the other religions and the faiths of this world.

I am not "Christian" I do not claim to be one!..... I am different! I am FOOL for JESUS a "Child of THE LIVING GOD" "BORN of GOD" "BORN of HIS SPIRIT".

I never Knew when "Strangers" would meet me or past me on the streets or in stores , be them white or black and other "Nationalities" Out of No where, they be old or young, would say "You have The MARK of GOD"on you! ... I have heard that all my Life. I act different! Yes Sir! I am different!. And I am not of a "EMILY POST" character, but my wife is, She is Impeccable, concerning The English Language Who many of you would label a "TROPHY CHRISTIAN" and I would be the dog that walks along the street.

Anthropomorphic Hyperbole words

The Writer said:
"through glory and dishonor, slander and praise; viewed as imposters, yet genuine; ...as unknown, yet well-known; dying, and yet we live on; punished, yet not killed; .....sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; poor, yet making many rich; having nothing, and yet possessing everything."

And he also said:
"Being defamed, we entreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things to this day."


I know I ain't no good! Let alone be called a "CHRISTIAN"! And I refused to Be CALLED One! And if anyone calls me one, they are liar and the Truth ain't in them! Everybody seems they want to define who i am all my life. For in my earlier years i thought i was The N-word because this is what they called me no matter what i thought. But since i have become a "Child of the LIVING GOD" FOR He is The One, who have Define who I am And that is The ROCK, i stand on and i will not be move! " I am A CHILD of THE LIVING GOD" by Birth! Born of His SPIRIT a Heavenly Birth! And My SONSHIP is SEALED and STAMP by The BLOOD of JESUS, The Only Begotten SON of "The LIVING GOD"!..... Thank you JESUS! , I am so glad, that man did not make The SUN, For if he had, he might not, would have let, THE SUN ,,,,,shine on me.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

it may be of interest that the the catholic church katholikos was so named because of the many divisions appearing.

It was a way to differentiate the true church from the many false churches.

Today we tend to relate 'catholic' to the Roman Catholic Church, as we know it. We also usually know little about it's very early beginning.

Post in Peace


Bless you all....><>

 

[PloughBoy]

New American Standard Bible
A Psalm of Asaph. God, the nations have invaded Your inheritance; They have defiled Your holy temple; They have laid Jerusalem in ruins.

Psalm 74:2
Remember Your congregation, which You purchased long ago and REDEEMED AS THE TRIBE OF YOUR INHERITANCE--Mount Zion where You dwell.

Psalm 74:7
They have burned Your sanctuary to the ground; they have defiled the dwelling place of YOUR NAME.

Isaiah 5:5
Now I will tell you what I am about to do to My vineyard: I will take away its hedge, and it will be consumed; I will tear down its wall, and it will be trampled.

Isaiah 52:1
Awake, awake, clothe yourself with strength, O Zion! Put on your garments of splendor, O Jerusalem, holy city! For the uncircumcised and unclean WILL NO LONGER ENTER YOU.

The Title Thread said:
"HAVE WE BEEN INVADED BY THE [THE NATIONS] NOMINALS, ARE THEY LEADING AND GROWING STRONG IN THEIR PROCLAMATION INTO THEIR AGENDA"
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How does The "Poetic" "Holy Scriptures" says in "Biblical Motif" and "Types and Shadows" how does it "parallel" in biblical form.

Note: ..............."For those we have eyes to see and ears to hear" "The PROPHETS of OLD are Not DEAD" for their voices are still Roaming The EARTH! And they cannot Die.

 

[Rhema]

The word church means the followers of christ, not a building or mandmade organised religion. What is the church? | GotQuestions.org I myself have avoided organised religion since I started this journey in childhood. Something was wrong with them even back then.

While I can't disagree, Gregory, and to a great extent actually do agree, what is to be done with this verse, though?

And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.​

(Hebrews 10:24-25 KJV)​

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

But Chosen of GOD...

You're not the only one.

Are you?

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

And if YOU was a True Child of GOD"...

Why do you think I am not?

you would get "DRUNK TOO"

Why do you think I have not?

I am FOOL for JESUS a "Child of THE LIVING GOD" "BORN of GOD" "BORN of HIS SPIRIT".

You're not the only one, PloughBoy.

Rhema

 

[PloughBoy]

You're not the only one.

Are you?

Rhema

I have not The command from My Master and "LORD" "Jesus Christ" to engage you in such matters. I am a "slave' who was brought with a price. And Have been Commanded to Stay on "The PATH" and for I will Not Follow another's voice. "For sir, you are wasting your precious time in engaging with me.

So do not be rube, and force yourself on me. I respect your space, "Do unto others as you would have them do to you".

New International Version(Luke 31)NIV
Do to others as you would have them do to you.

PS. I cannot be no kinder. And Please, do not mistake my " meekness for weakness"

And I do perceive you are my enemy. and I am yours for sure. You are not my brother in Christ and I sure ain't yours"

"by their fruits will know them" You know i am not your borther in Christ and I know you are surely ain't mines! So in this we are in "TotaL Agreement." How can two walk together unless they are in "Total Agreement"

I have been commanded By My "LORD" to Love my enemies! And since i Have been commanded, a mere "bondslave" who has been called into "Total Obedience." Sir, "I love you" in a way my GOD has commanded me. And without "Prejudice".

"For i can do all things, through "Christ JESUS" who strengths me"

 

[Gregoryp]

While I can't disagree, Gregory, and to a great extent actually do agree, what is to be done with this verse, though?

And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.​

(Hebrews 10:24-25 KJV)​

Rhema

yes, in the local park, the library, at someones home. With NO pastor, no bishops, no cardinals, no rectors, just a group of Jesus worshippers seeking the truth. Satan has invaded and even started organised religion to decieve man. If I and others can worship out of organised religion, anyone can.

 

[PloughBoy]

yes, in the local park, the library, at someones home. With NO pastor, no bishops, no cardinals, no rectors, just a group of Jesus worshippers seeking the truth. Satan has invaded and even started organised religion to decieve man. If I and others can worship out of organised religion, anyone can.

I am going to build me a kingdom just like GOD, I going to have me a "Temple Too! ....Like "The Most High". Ok, get down there and get busy! Let me see what you got. "Matter of Fact" "Micheal" Gabriel [ Raphael,, Uriel, Selaphiel Jegudiel, Barachief and Jeremiel] 'Non-canonical books". Throw them down there, and them ain't coming back. Woe to The EARTH and The SEA!

 

[Gregoryp]

Simply put, there is a group of people out there, who from early childhood simply could not effectively get involved in worldy desires or affairs They knew of holiness and rightousness from a very young age, as soon as they were old enough to understand they sought Jesus and read the bible. Even when they tried to have a mortgage, get into debt, start a career, there hearts were not in it and sold it all. They also do not like gathering around people. (because of how fake and false people are). well I am one of those. Chosen by God. I had no say on my trajectory in life, and oh what a hard life it has been with mankind and satanic attacks to this day!

 

[vhusley]

yes, in the local park, the library, at someones home. With NO pastor, no bishops, no cardinals, no rectors, just a group of Jesus worshippers seeking the truth. Satan has invaded and even started organised religion to decieve man. If I and others can worship out of organised religion, anyone can.

I believe you absolutely CAN worship outside of organized churches, but how do you reconcile not having a pastor or teachers with the Word of God? Specifically Ephesians 4:11-13
“And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as PASTORS and TEACHERS, for the equipping of the Saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;until we ALL attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a MATURE man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the FULLNESS of Christ.”

Have you, or any of us yet attained that “unity of faith” or that spiritual “maturity” to a “measure that belongs to the fullness of Christ” of which Paul speaks?
Becauae if not, that is exactly why God has given us pastors, teachers, evangelists, etc…..to edify and guide His church….THE church….the Body, towards that purpose…..unless I’m handling scripture wrongly., and if I am, someone please show me that I am.

 

[Gregoryp]

I believe you absolutely CAN worship outside of organized churches, but how do you reconcile not having a pastor or teachers with the Word of God? Specifically Ephesians 4:11-13
“And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as PASTORS and TEACHERS, for the equipping of the Saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;until we ALL attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a MATURE man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the FULLNESS of Christ.”

Have you, or any of us yet attained that “unity of faith” or that spiritual “maturity” to a “measure that belongs to the fullness of Christ” of which Paul speaks?
Becauae if not, that is exactly why God has given us pastors, teachers, evangelists, etc…..to edify and guide His church….THE church….the Body, towards that purpose…..unless I’m handling scripture wrongly., and if I am, someone please show me that I am.

There is no way known that I am going to sit for two hours and listen to the likes of Benny Hinn thanks. The world has moved a long way from ancient times, the vast majority of christians are fake.

 

[vhusley]

There is no way known that I am going to sit for two hours and listen to the likes of Benny Hinn thanks. The world has moved a long way from ancient times, the vast majority of christians are fake.

I don’t think it’s fair to equate all pastors and called men of God to Benny Hinn. There are truly called men of God who preach truth and DO their best to honor God in fulfilling the role as shepherds. Popular TV evangelists aren’t necessarily the best place to start searching for them though

 

[PloughBoy]

it is a lot of "kool Aid"out there and many have become fat! And over weight, and have become comfortable on the "Ivory bed of Ease".

 

[PloughBoy]

I am assured that Churches are going to be full and running over with people Right after "THE RAPTURE" Evening Services and Night services and Midnight Services all during the week! everyday is going to be a SUNDAY!

New International Version
After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

“These are the ones who have come out of the greattribulation; they have washed their robes andmade them white in the blood of the Lamb.

These people here knows most likely this might be the last boat out! And they were not taking any chances

 

[Br. Bear]

כִּי לְהֶפֶךְ אֵבָרֵי הַגּוּף הַנִּרְאִים רָפִים צְרִיכִים אֲנוּ

I have not The command from My Master and "LORD" "Jesus Christ" to engage you in such matters. I am a "slave' who was brought with a price. And Have been Commanded to Stay on "The PATH" and for I will Not Follow another's voice. "For sir, you are wasting your precious time in engaging with me.

So do not be rube, and force yourself on me. I respect your space, "Do unto others as you would have them do to you".

New International Version(Luke 31)NIV
Do to others as you would have them do to you.

PS. I cannot be no kinder. And Please, do not mistake my " meekness for weakness"

And I do perceive you are my enemy. and I am yours for sure. You are not my brother in Christ and I sure ain't yours"

"by their fruits will know them" You know i am not your borther in Christ and I know you are surely ain't mines! So in this we are in "TotaL Agreement." How can two walk together unless they are in "Total Agreement"

I have been commanded By My "LORD" to Love my enemies! And since i Have been commanded, a mere "bondslave" who has been called into "Total Obedience." Sir, "I love you" in a way my GOD has commanded me. And without "Prejudice".

"For i can do all things, through "Christ JESUS" who strengths me"

Καθάπερ γὰρ τὸ σῶμα ἕν ἐστιν καὶ μέλη πολλὰ ἔχει, πάντα δὲ τὰ μέλη τοῦ σώματος πολλὰ ὄντα ἕν ἐστιν σῶμα, οὕτως καὶ ὁ Χριστός· καὶ γὰρ ἐν ἑνὶ Πνεύματι ἡμεῖς πάντες εἰς ἓν σῶμα ἐβαπτίσθημεν, εἴτε Ἰουδαῖοι εἴτε Ἕλληνες, εἴτε δοῦλοι εἴτε ἐλεύθεροι. καὶ πάντες ἓν Πνεῦμα ἐποτίσθημεν.

Καὶ γὰρ τὸ σῶμα οὐκ ἔστιν ἓν μέλος ἀλλὰ πολλά. ἐὰν εἴπῃ ὁ πούς· Ὅτι οὐκ εἰμὶ χείρ, οὐκ εἰμὶ ἐκ τοῦ σώματος, οὐ παρὰ τοῦτο οὐκ ἔστιν ἐκ τοῦ σώματος. καὶ ἐὰν εἴπῃ τὸ οὖς· Ὅτι οὐκ εἰμὶ ὀφθαλμός, οὐκ εἰμὶ ἐκ τοῦ σώματος, οὐ παρὰ τοῦτο οὐκ ἔστιν ἐκ τοῦ σώματος. εἰ ὅλον τὸ σῶμα ὀφθαλμός, ποῦ ἡ ἀκοή; εἰ ὅλον ἀκοή, ποῦ ἡ ὄσφρησις;

Νυνὶ δὲ ὁ Θεὸς ἔθετο τὰ μέλη, ἓν ἕκαστον αὐτῶν ἐν τῷ σώματι καθὼς ἠθέλησεν. εἰ δὲ ἦν τὰ πάντα ἓν μέλος, ποῦ τὸ σῶμα; νῦν δὲ πολλὰ μὲν μέλη, ἓν δὲ σῶμα.

Οὐ δύναται δὲ ὁ ὀφθαλμὸς εἰπεῖν τῇ χειρί· Χρείαν σου οὐκ ἔχω, ἢ πάλιν ἡ κεφαλὴ τοῖς ποσίν· Χρείαν ὑμῶν οὐκ ἔχω· ἀλλὰ πολλῷ μᾶλλον τὰ δοκοῦντα μέλη τοῦ σώματος ἀσθενέστερα ὑπάρχειν ἀναγκαῖά ἐστιν, καὶ ἃ δοκοῦμεν ἀτιμότερα εἶναι τοῦ σώματος, τούτοις τιμὴν περισσοτέραν περιτίθεμεν, καὶ τὰ ἀσχήμονα ἡμῶν εὐσχημοσύνην περισσοτέραν ἔχει, τὰ δὲ εὐσχήμονα ἡμῶν οὐ χρείαν ἔχει.

Ἀλλὰ ὁ θεὸς συνεκέρασεν τὸ σῶμα, τῷ ὑστερουμένῳ περισσοτέραν δοὺς τιμήν, ἵνα μὴ ᾖ σχίσμα ἐν τῷ σώματι, ἀλλὰ τὸ αὐτὸ ὑπὲρ ἀλλήλων μεριμνῶσιν τὰ μέλη. καὶ εἴτε πάσχει ἓν μέλος, συμπάσχει πάντα τὰ μέλη· εἴτε δοξάζεται ἓν μέλος, συνχαίρει πάντα τὰ μέλη.

Ὑμεῖς δέ ἐστε σῶμα Χριστοῦ καὶ μέλη ἐκ μέρους.

 

[PloughBoy]

For the Word of GOD is true for it does convey the thoughts of GOD's Intentive will, for we can never understand HIS INTENT by a "WORD for WORD" translation or "HIS" "Original Copied MANUSCRIPT of The WORDS HE SPOKE AND how the hand of "The Amanuensis' curve The Pen they used to write upon the "Parchment or The Papyrus' of The Koine Greek Letters. And only a Gifted scholar by GOD can convey The Art of "The HEBREW Language" that use less words to be use, so they cannot be forgotten and the memory would be concise.

Then GOD GAVE the Gift of The ENGLISH Language, And The Reformer "William Tyndale" for The Biblical TEXT oF The Biblical English Words to give us that "Intent" of GOD's Truth! That we speak today! and Honor today in Millions and Millions of Households throughout The Whole WORLD! In most translation copies of his Creative WORDS and the Standard of them ALL! the Created Biblical WORDS that He Created in The English LANGUAGE, That all Translations use as a STANDARD for The words they print that is recorded in every Language of the World..

In These Last DAYS, The English Language, design by GOD before The "Foundations of THE WORLD" to be The STANDARD in relating GOD"S TRUTH
the Intent of HIS Will to a common group of common people, Common white, common blacks, common jews, common Arabs, common Spanish speaking, common germans, and the common keeps going. "and you will be "A Father of All nations" Abraham. It was a "IRREVOCABLE COVENANT" made by GOD

Are we so Blessed, and most do not realize , How bless this nation really is. Our blessing go's way beyond "The Materialistic " And many do not realized how we have mis used that blessing. and Set forth another agenda.

New American Standard Bible
And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You will be brought down to Hades! For if the miracles that occurred in you had occurred in Sodom, it would have remained to this day.

 

[Rhema]

With NO pastor, ... , just a group of Jesus worshippers seeking the truth.

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:​

(Ephesians 4:11-12 KJV)​

With NO bishops, ... , just a group of Jesus worshippers seeking the truth.

This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.​

(1 Timothy 3:1 KJV)​

So do we deny the above verses as having any truth ?? If not, then how do we fit the truth?

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

And The Reformer "William Tyndale" for The Biblical TEXT oF The Biblical English Words to give us that "Intent" of GOD's Truth! That we speak today! and Honor today in Millions and Millions of Households throughout The Whole WORLD!

Millions and Millions of Households throughout The Whole World do NOT use Tyndale's Bible, PloughBoy. That's just not true. (So now we have another deception to deal with.)

And I do perceive you are my enemy.

I can understand why you perceive things that way.

Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?​

(Galatians 4:16 KJV)​

That all Translations use as a STANDARD for The words they print that is recorded in every Language of the World..

So you then consider Tyndale's translation to be somehow inspired by the Holy Spirit. But have you ever read Tyndale's book "The Obedience of a Christian Man"? It advocates that the king of a country is the head of that country's church. (So should Biden be the head of your church?)

You may wish to consider the character and theology of a person before you go giving whole hog support to his Bible.

Rhema

And I do perceive you are my enemy. and I am yours for sure. You are not my brother in Christ and I sure ain't yours"

So God told you this ?

New International Version(Luke 31)NIV
Do to others as you would have them do to you.

Keep on talking. You will get schooled. You going to cry.