How to activate tongues

[Waggles]

have you (any of you) ever thought about why Paul spoke in tongues more than all others (all of you)?

Yes.
As a latter apostle who was to suffer much for the cause of the gospel and would be responsible
for bringing the gospel to the gentiles directly, Paul's infilling of the Holy Spirit was very powerful
and visionary.
Paul spoke in tongues more than others because he was praying constantly for his fellow disciples and
for all the churches.
And Paul would be exercising the power and purpose of the Holy Spirit by praying in tongues [just as we also do today].

2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father
and the Lord Jesus Christ.
3 We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,
4 Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,
8 Who also declared unto us your love in the Spirit.
9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the
knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;
Colossians 1:
Night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face, and might perfect that which is lacking in your faith?
1 Thessalonians 3:10

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

you 'answered' it and then covered it in umm other stuff. and I am not referring to Scripture. What you were looking for is in your answer, Waggles.

Bless you ....><>

ps I am not playing games. But I do want you and others to think about it. We sometimes have to take off all glasses and look only at the Scriptures. Some of us are capable of wearing many sets and we don't realise it. Could that be why we can see only dimly sometimes? Don't know but it may be best to look at that later ....><>

 

[Lanolin]

Its easier if you do wear glasses to just wear one pair!
Thats why I find it also easier to stick with one bible.
And I suppose easier to stick with speaking one language.

This is so I dont get confused. But God gives diversity of tongues to show us how even though we all different on the surface, we still are His.
This is why interpretation can be important, and why Paul said if anyone speaks in an unknown tongue let it be by two or at the most three.

Imagine if you at church and there are more than three different tongues being spoken in the service. The sermon would take forever. How can you say amen when you dont even know what you saying amen to? This is where Paul says God is not the author of confusion.

Paul being an apostle to the gentiles needed to speak in tongues more than anyone else because, well the gentiles did not all speak the same language. Paul was a missionary! They werent hebrew they were greek! Thats the first thing you do when going on missions, learn to speak the local lingo.

When Jesus was crucified, he had a sign above him in three different languages saying he was king of the jews. When Jesus cried put on the cross, eloi eloi was not asking for Elijah as some people thought they heard him say, he was speaking in his own tongue.

 

[amadeus2]

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

You are presuming with that verse that all people who speak in tongues are 'vainly repeating' something. If it is coming from their heart and God has filled their heart, then it cannot be vain.

1 Thessalonians 5:17 Pray without ceasing. 18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

I think all non-tongue speakers will agree that praying normally and knowing what you had prayed for so that when your prayers are answered, we can give genuine thanks to the Father in Jesus's name which is the will of God for us to do which is by far more beneficial than the self proclaimed praying in tongue when by all those supposed benefits for private use, no tongue speaker can be sure that private tongue was a prayer.

Are you trying put those believers who do not talk in tongues against those who do? Who can judge that one thing of God is "far more beneficial" than another, but God alone?

Who are you to say that "no tongue speaker can be sure that private tongue was a prayer"? I stand before God stating that I have prayed to Him in tongues and have known that it was a prayer.

Perhaps you are a believer, but being a believer does not mean that you have all of the answers with regard to the things of God for every other believer. You can doubt my testimony, but since you do not know my heart as God does, you should be very careful about making such blanket statements about believers who have different gifts or knowledge or belief than you do.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

You are presuming with that verse that all people who speak in tongues are 'vainly repeating' something. If it is coming from their heart and God has filled their heart, then it cannot be vain.



Are you trying put those believers who do not talk in tongues against those who do? Who can judge that one thing of God is "far more beneficial" than another, but God alone?

Who are you to say that "no tongue speaker can be sure that private tongue was a prayer"? I stand before God stating that I have prayed to Him in tongues and have known that it was a prayer.

Perhaps you are a believer, but being a believer does not mean that you have all of the answers with regard to the things of God for every other believer. You can doubt my testimony, but since you do not know my heart as God does, you should be very careful about making such blanket statements about believers who have different gifts or knowledge or belief than you do.

Very Well Said @amadeus2
May your day be Peacefully Blessed
W4F

 

[amadeus2]

Paul says that speaking of tongues is a gift but, useless unless it edifies the church and it can only edify the church if it is accompanied by an Interpreter so others can benefit!

This is not so. If it edifies me as an individual part of the Body of Christ by helping me to grow toward me fit into the Body then ultimately the whole Body will edified.

Why should the left hand be concerned by a cut artery in right foot of the Body? What does the left foot know about the needs of the whole Body? For the Body to be what God wants it to be every part must become what God requires it to be even if He did not consult with all of the other Body parts before taking His action to heal or improve an injured or a misaligned part.

There is only one Head and it is not the left hand. If I am the right foot, in order to accomplish God's purpose I must be obedient to the Head even if the left hand disagrees.

 

[Waggles]

Paul being an apostle to the gentiles needed to speak in tongues more than anyone else because, well the gentiles did not all speak the same language. Paul was a missionary! They werent hebrew they were greek! Thats the first thing you do when going on missions, learn to speak the local lingo.

Sorry Lanolin but this is very wrong.
When the NT refers to speaking in tongues it is not other worldly languages.
But the spiritual prayer language given at the infilling of the Holy Spirit - the sign or evidence
given so that there is no confusion; unlike today.

In the first century church described in our KJVs ALL converts underwent water baptism by full immersion
and ALL converts were also expected to be baptised in the Holy Spirit with the Bible evidence of speaking
in tongues.
One sign. One manifestation. One way. No confusion. Everybody knew that a disciple was genuine because
they could speak in tongues; that is pray in the Holy Spirit.

Do not confuse yourself with equating the sign of speaking in tongues with operating the gift of diversity of
tongues (followed by interpretation) in a worship meeting.

2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?
And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 19:

20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Jude 1:

 

[amadeus2]

There is indeed more than one operation or gift of tongues. There is a tendency to lump together as if there were only one. It really isn't so.

Give God the glory and accept that He alone gives anyone any increase that matters to Him.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Sorry Lanolin but this is very wrong.
When the NT refers to speaking in tongues it is not other worldly languages.

Actually the both of you are Correct.

 

[Born Again 2004]

This is not so. If it edifies me as an individual part of the Body of Christ by helping me to grow toward me fit into the Body then ultimately the whole Body will edified.

Why should the left hand be concerned by a cut artery in right foot of the Body? What does the left foot know about the needs of the whole Body? For the Body to be what God wants it to be every part must become what God requires it to be even if He did not consult with all of the other Body parts before taking His action to heal or improve an injured or a misaligned part.

There is only one Head and it is not the left hand. If I am the right foot, in order to accomplish God's purpose I must be obedient to the Head even if the left hand disagrees.

It is fine for you to speak in tongues but it is inappropriate for you to say "Not So" for what is clearly in scripture!

• 1 Corinthians 14: 27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, two--or at the most three--should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret.
• This Paul speaking not me!
• I openly acknowledge and have said that 'Tongues" is a gift from God, so it must be good.
• I think if you adequately study Paul on the subject, you will see that he spoke in tongues and wished everyone did.
• My point and from reading Paul, it would be perfectly fine to speak in private but if you do it in a crowd , you MUST have an interpreter so others can be edified, If you don't have an interpreter, he would rather you prophesy.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

This is so, as I see it!

• 1 Corinthians 14: 27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, two--or at the most three--should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret.
• This Paul speaking not me!
• I openly acknowledge and have said that 'Tongues" is a gift from God, so it must be good.
• I think if you adequately study Paul on the subject, you will see that he spoke in tongues and wished everyone did.
• My point and from reading Paul, it would be perfectly fine to speak in private but if you do it in a crowd , you MUST have an interpreter so others can be edified, If you don't have an interpreter, he would rather you prophesy.

Paul is Addressing The Proper Procedure During Thee Church Service.

Paul is putting order in the church meeting and nothing else.
As far as groups praying together is something different. As you mentioned, when speaking to others then it needs to be interpreted.
Blessings

 

[amadeus2]

This is so, as I see it!

• 1 Corinthians 14: 27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, two--or at the most three--should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret.
• This Paul speaking not me!
• I openly acknowledge and have said that 'Tongues" is a gift from God, so it must be good.
• I think if you adequately study Paul on the subject, you will see that he spoke in tongues and wished everyone did.
• My point and from reading Paul, it would be perfectly fine to speak in private but if you do it in a crowd , you MUST have an interpreter so others can be edified, If you don't have an interpreter, he would rather you prophesy.

I am not disagreeing with you. Rather I was hoping to clarify for some whose needle seems to be stuck.

 

[Born Again 2004]

I am not disagreeing with you. Rather I was hoping to clarify for some whose needle seems to be stuck.

If it edifies me as an individual part of the Body of Christ by helping me to grow toward me fit into the Body then ultimately the whole Body will edified.

This is what you said...you are not clarifying anything.....If this is what Paul meant , he did not say it!

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Greetings everyone

This thread is somewhat going round in circles

I have therefore closed it temporarily and opened a new thread

Tongues what happens?

I would like people to share their personal experience of tongues or no tongues
It would be good to understand a little more of what actually happens
How does your biblical understanding match up with practical application.