I want to intervene for one person already in hell.

[Bendito]

Bendito,
re: "...Jesus died for their salvation and they threw it away..."


How do you know that? Since beliefs cannot be consciously engendered, maybe they were just not able to meet the requirement of belief.

If they don't believe the Word (God) they are not Christians....You're saved by grace through trust, belief, faith.

 

[SleepyEdwin]

No one goes to heaven. That is another lie that is believed by many. When the Messiah returns, his people will awaken from the dead in the first resurrection to live on and rule on this earth, for one thousand years. Then, after the one thousand years, a new heaven and new earth will be created, and the New Jerusalem will descend on the new earth, and the people of God will live in the New Jerusalem, on the second earth. Therefore, there is never a point where the people of God ascend into heaven, no different than the more ordinary priests do not enter the most set-apart place of the temple, that privilege belongs only to the High Priest, which is Yeshuah, who entered heaven on our behalf, to intercede for us, who live on earth, and soon, he will return to us, here on the earth in his second coming, to raise us from the dead, and also give us a kingdom to inherit, on this earth. That is why it is written, "the meek shall inherit the earth". Also, "Hell" does not currently exist. It is a future place that will come into existence beginning from the second coming of the Messiah, because it is at his second coming the Mount Zion will form, and will flow with lava, towards the south to Negev, and also towards the north to Jerusalem, and will form as a lake of lava outside the southern wall of Old Jerusalem, which is why Yeshuah called that place "Gehenna", which means "Valley of Hinnom", for he wasn't just alluding to the fact that the place of fire would be like a garbage dump, but he was telling us where it was actually going to be. This is why it is also written, "declares Yehovah, whose fire is in Zion, and whose furnace is in Jerusalem". It's high time you stopped believing the lies you've been taught, and start believing the truth I am telling you. The lie will only lead to your very own destruction, and you will regret not believing what I am telling you.

Revelation 20:11-12
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Did you notice it says "heaven" not heavens? Scriptures normally mentions earth and heavens but that is not the case here. The Heaven where the Throne of God is located remains according to Revelation 20. Another thing you should keep in mind is that God Himself is the One that sanctifies Heaven. When Jesus entered the Second Temple in Jerusalem, He sanctified the temple by His Own Presence just like the Shekinah did long time ago. The problem here is it did not remain sacred because he did not stay there nor prevented the priests and rabbi from plotting against Him and there were merchants selling stuff in the plaza and fooling sojourners that were not unable to discern their scams. Why? Because He is the New Covenant, God made flesh, a human body becoming the Temple of God, the Promised Seed that had finally arrived and Who would justify all OT believers like Adam and Eve themselves!

1st Corinthians 6:2-3
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Do you still think we will judge both the world and angels on earth? Otherwise what you have been doing is to close the Gates of Heaven to those trying to enter like the pharisees once did.

Matthew 23:13 "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."

That is what you have been doing here by denying that believers can go to Heaven. Since I want to believe you do not want to do that and be treated like a pharisee, you should stop spreading such a lie in order for you not to deny your own salvation by not believing in His Word.

Matthew 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

So yeah, the Lord is clear about hell being a place of eternal punishment for its fire will never cease to burn what is in it. And nope, those in hell will not cease to exist for God never teaches us in Scriptures that they will stay there for a brief moment nor any specific amount of time. Plus, nobody gets out of hell as the parable of Abraham's bosom explicitly teaches us because the rich man's goods and blessings were enjoyed by him while he still was on earth. The only part where a temporary condition can be found would be concerning our riches, are they worldly? or are they heavenly? The world is going to perish so nothing left behind will ever be found.

Matthew 6:21 "For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

So if you all knew somebody and could clearly say his or her riches were worldly instead of heavenly, then you already know where he or she should have ended up after his or her decease. If you already know the answer, stop caring about them for you nor anybody else cannot change that person's fate. Besides you should keep in mind that nobody can be some sort of undercover agent of Christ for He told us we are the light, the salt.

Matthew 5:15 "Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house."

And Sue D. it is OK if you do not want to give money to organizations, especially secular organizations, but you should keep in mind that your local church could do that job instead. I am not saying this to make you upset but to let others know that there is one "organization" they should trust, the Church. Of course, we know we are all human beings with all of our flaws, still, God gave us the possibility to pray to Him to commend our actions and resources and the people in charge of the money collected this way to Him so He can take care of them.

 

[Sue D.]

SleepyEdwin -- the only organization I give to Is my church. The local church Should be meeting the needs of the local community First and then reaching out to others.

Making sure that the widows and orphans are being cared for properly.

There Are organizations that Also help -- Christian Builders is another one. If I'm remembering the name correctly. And organizations that go to disaster areas with washing machines and dryers and such. People needing a way to wash their clothes and get a shower.

Personally, I wouldn't wait on the government to help very much. Good intentions, but....... There are communities hit by natural disasters who've gone ahead and helped each other before FEMA or other organizations could get to them.

 

[Jellani]

You know how Moses intervened for the people of Egypt many times “convincing God to not kill them?” Or when Jesus wanted to come down and sacrifice himself for all of humanity? I want to intervene for one person in hell and take their place so that they can be in heaven for what Jesus did for me and throw my gift away to someone in hell and take their place. Someone is probably going to say “do not throw your treasures to the swine” like Jesus said. Everyone looks out for their own salvation. What if it’s possible? Could we? How can i be sure that i can pray to be sent to hell in the place of one person in hell. With the way God takes “intervening.” Would I be able to save someone? Am I that valuable to God? Just like his love for Moses when Moses said not to kill those people that were worshiping that golden calf? I want to sacrifice my salvation for someone in hell and it doesn’t matter who. Is this possible?

You know God loves everybody, the love that he has for you and me are the same, if not He wouldn’t give a care to come down humbly from His throne and sacrificed to save us. He said in Romans that He will have mercy to whom He will have mercy and compassion to whom He will have compassion. Only the Lord knows who is save and who is not. The only thing that we could do is to just pray. If you are lead by the Holy Spirit to pray for someone you , please do so. That’s what God longed for, for His children to do. Even if someone live a sinful life no one can judge if they are on hell or not, only God knows the heart of man.

 

[Laeomis]

Psalm 139:8

If we go to Hell, God is there. Christ holds the keys to Hell and Death. Neither of them last forever. I've wondered before if some Saints have gone to Hell in order to tell the Gospel of Salvation to its residents so that they may repent their sins in Hell in order for the Final Judgement.

Revelation 20:14
Revelation 20:12
Revelation 20:5

 

[Bendito]

Psalm 139:8

If we go to Hell, God is there. Christ holds the keys to Hell and Death. Neither of them last forever. I've wondered before if some Saints have gone to Hell in order to tell the Gospel of Salvation to its residents so that they may repent their sins in Hell in order for the Final Judgement.

Revelation 20:14
Revelation 20:12
Revelation 20:5

God is not in hell....Show that in the Word. Show that there is salvation for those in hell. When a person goes to hell, its game over.

 

[Sue D.]

Salvation is Only available to a person here on earth while they are alive to make their personal choice.

No doubt -- once a person is in Hades awaiting eternity in the lake of fire and brimstone- they will Wish they could have another chance. Problem is -- they had their chance To believe and accept while Here and they rejected.

Jesus Christ is the Only person who could go to hell in our place and come back up -resurrected. When Jesus Christ died on the cross, He went to Paradise and brought back those who had died previously with faith in their hearts looking Towards the promised Savior / Messiah.

The Psalms passage -- God is Spirit and is omnipresent. Except for hell. God is the light of the world. One of the Big problems with hell -is God's Absence. NO LIGHT. Complete Darkness. As well as the lake of fire and brimstone that Also lasts Forever. It's as eternal as heaven is. Well -- the New Jerusalem.

 

[Bendito]

I find it interesting that this conversation has drifted into "nobody goes to heaven" We'll all live in the New Jerusalem for eternity....So, if I die today, where do I go? Burger King perhaps? :For to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" I know Jesus does not hang out at Burger King. The Word says He's with the Father intervening for us...The Father is in heaven. Psalm 18:13 Psalm 103:19
Seriously people....If you are going to discuss what the Bible says, you should discuss what the Bible really says. When you read the Bible, believe what you read,, don't read what you believe.

 

[Sue D.]

Bendito -- actually -- the terminology is 'if a person is going to heaven or to hell' for eternity / when they die.

When Jesus Christ went back to the Father after His resurrection -- He went Up into the heavens. The two angels appeared and told the disciples that the same way He went up , He will come back down to you. as found in Acts 1:10 7 11. So - 'heaven' is 'up there in the sky'.

Born-again believers will be in the New Jerusalem when it is brought down from the heavens by God. Only born-again believers will live there forever.

So -- if we die 'now' we will be immediately with Jesus Christ. Where ever He is, we will be.

John 14:1-6 tells us a lot, too.

So, yes, the Bible / God / is Really telling us 'this'.

 

[Bendito]

Bendito -- actually -- the terminology is 'if a person is going to heaven or to hell' for eternity / when they die.

When Jesus Christ went back to the Father after His resurrection -- He went Up into the heavens. The two angels appeared and told the disciples that the same way He went up , He will come back down to you. as found in Acts 1:10 7 11. So - 'heaven' is 'up there in the sky'.

Born-again believers will be in the New Jerusalem when it is brought down from the heavens by God. Only born-again believers will live there forever.

So -- if we die 'now' we will be immediately with Jesus Christ. Where ever He is, we will be.

John 14:1-6 tells us a lot, too.

So, yes, the Bible / God / is Really telling us 'this'.

Where does the Bible say we will live in the New Jerusalem forever? It does not say that.

 

[Sue D.]

Bendito -- look at Revelation 21 starting with the 1st verse. And then chapter 22 :5 & 6.

You really Do need to read your Bible a bit more thoroughly and completely. it's all there.

 

[SleepyEdwin]

Psalms 84:4 Blessed are they that dwell in thy house: they will be still praising thee. Selah.

In other languages "still" appears as perpetually (in Spanish) or always (in German).

II Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

So we humans can go to Heaven just like Enoch and Elijah already did, except we will not need a chariot of fire.

Revelation 3:12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."

Since New Jerusalem has not come down, every single believer would be "a pillar" in God's temple which is in Heaven right now.

What I find strange is that all those that say there is no heaven or hell or that believers do not go to any of those places do not even sound as believers but just pretend that they are. Be careful, by not believing in His Word you cannot be counted as a Christian just as an old Hebrew will not be counted as a true Israelite by God. That unbelief, such a doubt, makes you call Him a liar and He will never let that go unpunished unless you sincerely repent from it.

 

[Iconoclast]

You decide what you will believe and what you will not believe. You decide.

No...people do not want to believe unless God has mercy on them.

 

[Chad]

No...people do not want to believe unless God has mercy on them.

He already extends mercy clearly on the Cross to all who will believe and accept His grace.

 

[Iconoclast]

He already extends mercy clearly on the Cross to all who will believe and accept His grace.

The offer is preached to all men.
Everyone believing will be saved

 

[Sue D.]

Psalms 84:4 Blessed are they that dwell in thy house: they will be still praising thee. Selah.

In other languages "still" appears as perpetually (in Spanish) or always (in German).

II Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

So we humans can go to Heaven just like Enoch and Elijah already did, except we will not need a chariot of fire.

Revelation 3:12 "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."

Since New Jerusalem has not come down, every single believer would be "a pillar" in God's temple which is in Heaven right now.

What I find strange is that all those that say there is no heaven or hell or that believers do not go to any of those places do not even sound as believers but just pretend that they are. Be careful, by not believing in His Word you cannot be counted as a Christian just as an old Hebrew will not be counted as a true Israelite by God. That unbelief, such a doubt, makes you call Him a liar and He will never let that go unpunished unless you sincerely repent from it.

Well -- no one is in the lake of fire and brimstone at this time. They Are waiting for That in hades or hell or whatever a person wants to call it. The other side of Abrahams' bosom.

Believers Now are with Jesus Christ -- John 14:6 says that He's preparing a place for believers. And that He will come back for us. And that we'll then be with Him forever.

 

[Sue D.]

The offer is preached to all men.
Everyone believing will be saved

Well -- it depends on What they are believing.

 

[Iconoclast]

Well -- it depends on What they are believing.

The only saving message is the perfect work of the Lord Jesus Christ on behalf of His sheep. He as Prophet. Priest, and King building His church.

 

[SleepyEdwin]

The only saving message is the perfect work of the Lord Jesus Christ on behalf of His sheep. He as Prophet. Priest, and King building His church.

And don't forget the most important fact, He as the Beloved Son of God, that's what makes Him the High Priest after His Sacrifice!

Well -- no one is in the lake of fire and brimstone at this time. They Are waiting for That in hades or hell or whatever a person wants to call it. The other side of Abrahams' bosom.

Believers Now are with Jesus Christ -- John 14:6 says that He's preparing a place for believers. And that He will come back for us. And that we'll then be with Him forever.

Well, from a temporary point of view, there's no one in hell. If we could see it from the eternal point of view, time itself would have ceased to exist for 1 day for the Lord is like 1000 years and 1000 years like a single day. Even so my point is not that anybody isn't in the infernal lake right now but how some people wanna erase clear Biblical concepts for their own "gain", if we can ever call it a gain. The eternal destruction is the total separation from God so those going to hell or infernus or lake of fire and brimstone will never be in communion with the Lord nor the Church nor any other saint. They won't ever get even a single drop of water!

So far we think that the story about the rich guy and Lazarus and the Abraham's bosom is an allegory, what if He had revealed something that would happen right after their deaths? (Not saying there will be any actual communication between the blessed and the damned!) People in the lake will feel they should ask for some relief not taking into account what has taken them to the infernus in the first place. Even so there are people spreading lies like they will celebrate parties in hell and other nonsense. Let's be honest, we only get a single life as human beings with bodies made of flesh. Why don't we learn to appreciate this gift instead of worrying about the deceased? If any of you want to honor the dead people that preceded you, live a righteous life lead by the Lord's helping hand! That's the best thing you could do! No deceased relatives will be disappointed for all the lies that fool the world have no room in the afterlife.