If you’re a Christian and you support the modern geopolitical state of Israel, you deny that Christ is the Messiah. It's that simple.

[The Gospel of Christ]

But if some of the branches(Physical Jews) were broken off, and you, a wild olive shoot(Elect Gentiles), were grafted in their place to share the richness/rich root (Jesus the Christ) of the olive tree(God's people), do not boast over the branches(Physical Jews). If you do boast, remember it is not you that support the root(Christ), but the root(Christ) that supports you. You will say, “Branches(Physical Jews) were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast only through faith. So do not become proud, but stand in awe. For if God did not spare the natural branches(Physical Jews), neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off. And even the others(Physical Jews), if they do not persist in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. For if you have been cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree(Gentiles), and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree(God's people), how much more will these natural branches(Elect Jews) be grafted back into their own olive tree(God's people). Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel(Physical Jews), until the full number of the Gentiles come in, and so all Israel(elect Jews & elect Gentiles) will be saved; as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”; “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” (Rom 11:17-27 RSV)

Keep in mind, the same exact word can be used in the very same verse with two different meanings - "But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." (Matt 8:22, KJV)

But it is not as though the word of God had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his descendants; but “Through Isaac shall your descendants be named.” (Rom 9:6-7 RSV)

For he is not a real Jew who is one outwardly, nor is true circumcision something external and physical. He is a Jew who is one inwardly, and real circumcision is a matter of the heart, spiritual and not literal. His praise is not from men but from God. (Rom 2:28-29 RSV)

But far be it from me to glory except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. Peace and mercy be upon all who walk by this rule, upon the Israel of God. (Gal 6:14-16 RSV)

Yep — and I agree with most of that. The olive tree is Christ. The branches are believers. There’s one root, one covenant, one Messiah. And only those grafted into Him — Jew or Gentile — are true Israel.

Paul didn’t teach a “pause and resume” plan for unbelieving Jews. He said they were broken off for unbelief, and only if they abandon that unbelief will they be grafted back in (Rom 11:20–23). That’s not nationalism. That’s faith.

The “mystery” isn’t that God has two plans — one for Jews and one for the Church. The mystery is that He made one body from both (Eph 2:14–16), and “all Israel” refers to that redeemed remnant — the ones in Christ. The Israel of God (Gal 6:16).

So if we agree on that, awesome. But if anyone’s still out here preaching a future land covenant for Christ-rejecting Israel… they’re preaching a different gospel.

 

[KingJ]

Sue & King J, with respect, your zeal is evident — but your doctrine is in error.

You’re defending the idea that modern Jews who reject Jesus Christ are still “good people” because they try to follow the Old Testament law. But that’s not the Gospel. That’s not Christianity. That’s not salvation.

“There is none righteous, no, not one.” – Romans 3:10
“For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at one point has become guilty of all.” – James 2:10

Jesus Christ is the only righteousness that saves. And the New Testament is crystal clear — those who reject the Son reject the Father also:

“Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father.” – 1 John 2:23
“No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.” – 1 John 2:22
“He who is not with Me is against Me.” – Matthew 12:30

There is no such thing as “following the God of the Old Testament” while rejecting Jesus. The same God who gave the Law also gave the Messiah — and the Law was always meant to lead us to Him (Galatians 3:24).

You keep separating Jesus from “the God of the prophets,” but Jesus is the fulfillment of those very prophets:

“For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.” – Matthew 11:13
“These are the very Scriptures that testify about Me, yet you refuse to come to Me to have life.” – John 5:39–40

So no, we don’t “worship the same God” if one side curses His Son and waits for another in His place. That’s not just a difference of opinion — that’s antichrist spirit. Jesus said it plainly in John 8:42–44:

“If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I came from God and now am here… You belong to your father, the devil.”

That was not an insult. That was Jesus Christ defining the spiritual reality of those who reject Him while claiming to serve God.

Israel is not defined by ethnicity anymore. Paul says in Romans 9:6–8:

“For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel… it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise.”

Galatians 3:29 seals it:

“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.”

True Israel = those who are in Christ. Jew or Gentile. Period. The end.

I say this not in anger, but in grief — because what you’re defending is a false gospel that exalts bloodline and law over the finished work of Jesus. That is the exact heresy Paul fought in Galatians, and he didn’t mince words:

“If righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing.” – Galatians 2:21

You can’t have two covenants running at the same time. Jesus didn’t die so modern unbelieving Jews could be called “chosen” while they reject His blood. There is one fold, one Shepherd (John 10:16). And no one comes to the Father except through Him.

That’s not hate. That’s the Gospel.

In a discussion, you quote a line the other poster made and type your rebuttal or agreement.

What you have done here is not a discussion. You seem to only want to post your 'copy - pasted' Google data and avoid interrogation. This is a discussion forum.

Shout when you want an actual discussion. If your posts are only Jew bashing 'message board' type posts, you may not last long here.

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Jews endured and still endure so much oppression for being the chosen race. Imagine further bashing them. You are walking on glass with God. Meditate on that fact.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

In a discussion, you quote a line the other poster made and type your rebuttal or agreement.

What you have done here is not a discussion. You seem to only want to post your 'copy - pasted' Google data and avoid interrogation. This is a discussion forum.

Shout when you want an actual discussion. If your posts are only Jew bashing 'message board' type posts, you may not last long here.

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Jews endured and still endure so much oppression for being the chosen race. Imagine further bashing them. You are walking on glass with God. Meditate on that fact.

This isn’t “Jew-bashing”. It’s Gospel-preaching.
If quoting Jesus, Paul, and John offends you, your issue isn’t with me — it’s with the Word of God.
You’re accusing me of hatred for saying exactly what Jesus said in John 8, what Paul wrote in Romans and Galatians, and what John thundered in 1 John 2. But the Bible doesn’t change just because it makes you uncomfortable. Truth doesn’t become “hate” because it confronts idolatry — even the idolatry of ethnic pride.

You say the Jews are still “chosen.”
But chosen status without Christ is judgment, not privilege.
God gave them the promises — and they rejected the fulfillment.
Now, according to Paul, they are branches broken off.
Not blessed. Not exempt. Not chosen.
Just lost — like anyone else who denies the Son.

Paul destroys the Scofield lie directly:
“If you are in Christ, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to the promise.” – Galatians 3:29
That doesn’t mean “Jews are heirs no matter what.” It means only those in Christ are counted as Abraham’s children.
Outside of Christ, no one — Jew or Gentile — inherits the promise.
Not even the physical descendants of Abraham.
The covenant doesn’t run through DNA — it runs through the cross.

Paul goes even further:
“Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.” – Romans 9:6
“It is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise.” – Romans 9:8

So no — the New Testament does not teach that the Jews remain “chosen” in unbelief.
It teaches that faith in Christ is the dividing line.
Without the Son, you are cut off — even if you came from Abraham’s bloodline.

You say Jews still serve the God of the Old Testament.
But Jesus said directly to them — the Pharisees, the spiritual leaders of Israel:
“If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I came from God.” – John 8:42
“You do not know Him.” – John 8:55
“You are of your father, the devil.” – John 8:44

Jesus flat-out told the religious elite - You don't know him..
“You claim to know God, but you don’t — because if you truly knew the Father, you would recognize Me.”

You don’t get to reject the Son and still claim the Father.
You don’t get to deny the Christ and pretend it’s the same covenant.
Jesus wasn’t making suggestions — He was issuing a verdict.

You say we worship the same God.
But Scripture couldn’t be clearer:

“Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father.” – 1 John 2:23
“He who is not with Me is against Me.” – Matthew 12:30
“There is no other name under heaven by which we must be saved.” – Acts 4:12
This isn’t a “minor disagreement.”
It’s a line in the sand — between the true Gospel and spiritual delusion, between light and darkness, between the Bride of Christ…
and those who still spit on His blood.

You’re offended that I didn’t quote you line by line.
But what was there to respond to?
You didn’t bring Scripture — you brought emotion.
You didn’t bring theology — you brought a guilt trip.

You say “God is watching.” I agree — and that’s why I tremble before His Word, not man’s traditions, not Scofield’s heresies, and not the emotional blackmail of those who think disagreeing with false doctrine is “hate.”

I don’t hate the Jewish people.
I want them to be saved — by faith in Jesus Christ, the only name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved (Acts 4:12).
So if you want to have a real discussion, bring the Bible.
Otherwise, don’t confuse boldness with cruelty or conviction with malice.

Let’s get this straight right now:
Jesus isn’t returning to endorse a Christ-rejecting priesthood.
He’s returning to judge it.
He already replaced the temple 2,000 years ago — with His own body (John 2:19).
Anyone still waiting for bricks and sacrifices has missed the entire point of the Gospel.

“Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” – John 2:19
“The hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father… but in spirit and truth.” – John 4:21–23 “We have an altar from which those who serve the tent have no right to eat.” – Hebrews 13:10

The obsession with rebuilding a Third Temple is not Christian theology — it’s Zionist propaganda wrapped in Scofield’s ghost notes, promoted by people who don’t even believe in Christ, and tragically repeated by misled, Dispensationalist Christians who don’t even realize they’re working against the Gospel.

You think God is pleased with a “temple” built by people who reject His Son, reintroduce animal sacrifices, and declare Jesus’ blood insufficient?

That’s not prophecy fulfilled.
That’s blasphemy institutionalized.

 

[Sue J Love]

Sue & King J, with respect, your zeal is evident — but your doctrine is in error.

You’re defending the idea that modern Jews who reject Jesus Christ are still “good people” because they try to follow the Old Testament law. But that’s not the Gospel. That’s not Christianity. That’s not salvation.

“There is none righteous, no, not one.” – Romans 3:10
“For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at one point has become guilty of all.” – James 2:10

Jesus Christ is the only righteousness that saves. And the New Testament is crystal clear — those who reject the Son reject the Father also:

“Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father.” – 1 John 2:23
“No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.” – 1 John 2:22
“He who is not with Me is against Me.” – Matthew 12:30

There is no such thing as “following the God of the Old Testament” while rejecting Jesus. The same God who gave the Law also gave the Messiah — and the Law was always meant to lead us to Him (Galatians 3:24).

You keep separating Jesus from “the God of the prophets,” but Jesus is the fulfillment of those very prophets:

“For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.” – Matthew 11:13
“These are the very Scriptures that testify about Me, yet you refuse to come to Me to have life.” – John 5:39–40

So no, we don’t “worship the same God” if one side curses His Son and waits for another in His place. That’s not just a difference of opinion — that’s antichrist spirit. Jesus said it plainly in John 8:42–44:

“If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I came from God and now am here… You belong to your father, the devil.”

That was not an insult. That was Jesus Christ defining the spiritual reality of those who reject Him while claiming to serve God.

Israel is not defined by ethnicity anymore. Paul says in Romans 9:6–8:

“For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel… it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise.”

Galatians 3:29 seals it:

“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.”

True Israel = those who are in Christ. Jew or Gentile. Period. The end.

I say this not in anger, but in grief — because what you’re defending is a false gospel that exalts bloodline and law over the finished work of Jesus. That is the exact heresy Paul fought in Galatians, and he didn’t mince words:

“If righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing.” – Galatians 2:21

You can’t have two covenants running at the same time. Jesus didn’t die so modern unbelieving Jews could be called “chosen” while they reject His blood. There is one fold, one Shepherd (John 10:16). And no one comes to the Father except through Him.

That’s not hate. That’s the Gospel.

Sue & King J?? Where does King J include Sue? And are you speaking of me? I agree with you about Israel, so where does "Sue" fit here? Not understanding.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Sue & King J?? Where does King J include Sue? And are you speaking of me? I agree with you about Israel, so where does "Sue" fit here? Not understanding.

Hi Sue, my sincerest apologies — that mention of your name alongside KingJ was a total mistake on my part. You both have similar white avatars and J's, and I was absolutely exhausted when I was writing that post. By the time I realized I had mistakenly lumped you into a response meant only for KingJ, the edit window had already expired and I couldn’t correct it. - Sorry for the mixup.

 

[KingJ]

This isn’t “Jew-bashing”. It’s Gospel-preaching.
If quoting Jesus, Paul, and John offends you, your issue isn’t with me — it’s with the Word of God.
You’re accusing me of hatred for saying exactly what Jesus said in John 8, what Paul wrote in Romans and Galatians, and what John thundered in 1 John 2. But the Bible doesn’t change just because it makes you uncomfortable. Truth doesn’t become “hate” because it confronts idolatry — even the idolatry of ethnic pride.

You are being biased and avoiding discussion. Cherry picking scriptures from Jesus, Paul and John to demonize Jews.

I said to you,

1. Jesus said ''forgive, they know not what they do''

Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

Why did Jesus say that?

2. Paul explains that he was the chiefest of sinners and yet God showed him grace and mercy.

1 Tim 1:15 This is a trustworthy saying and deserving of full acceptance: that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the chief.

3. I explained to you that the Jews live by the OT laws with only a change to the enforcement of punishment. They are a God fearing society. And you mocking them?

You say the Jews are still “chosen.”
But chosen status without Christ is judgment, not privilege.
God gave them the promises — and they rejected the fulfillment.
Now, according to Paul, they are branches broken off.
Not blessed. Not exempt. Not chosen.
Just lost — like anyone else who denies the Son.

Your problem is that you are reading verses with a bias and it seems the entire bible is flying over your head.

Eph 1:4 and Gal 3:29 makes it crystal clear that all of mankind was chosen to be in Christ.

Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Jews were chosen for something else in addition to reigning with Jesus / being without blame before God. Namely, from the time Abraham sacrificed his son, God made a covenant with him. His seed would be the bloodline of Jesus - Exodus 1.

Try, grasp that Jews don't ''become Abraham's seed''. They are his seed. This is like a ''duh'' fact.

That they have fallen away, lose their path and that many don't accept Jesus as Lord, is a separate matter for discussion.

 

[KingJ]

Paul destroys the Scofield lie directly:
“If you are in Christ, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to the promise.” – Galatians 3:29
That doesn’t mean “Jews are heirs no matter what.” It means only those in Christ are counted as Abraham’s children.
Outside of Christ, no one — Jew or Gentile — inherits the promise.
Not even the physical descendants of Abraham.
The covenant doesn’t run through DNA — it runs through the cross.

You say we worship the same God.

But Scripture couldn’t be clearer:

“Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father.” – 1 John 2:23
“He who is not with Me is against Me.” – Matthew 12:30
“There is no other name under heaven by which we must be saved.” – Acts 4:12
This isn’t a “minor disagreement.”
It’s a line in the sand — between the true Gospel and spiritual delusion, between light and darkness, between the Bride of Christ…
and those who still spit on His blood.

Correct, nobody comes to God the Father but by God the Son. A good Jew would find Jesus.

Important to understand that in the OT all good Jews would all go to paradise Luke 16:19-31.

This should make clear the fact that accepting Jesus as Lord is not a religion A over religion B matter.

You say Jews still serve the God of the Old Testament.
But Jesus said directly to them — the Pharisees, the spiritual leaders of Israel:
“If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I came from God.” – John 8:42
“You do not know Him.” – John 8:55
“You are of your father, the devil.” – John 8:44

Jesus flat-out told the religious elite - You don't know him..
“You claim to know God, but you don’t — because if you truly knew the Father, you would recognize Me.”

You are twisting my words. I said Jews live by the OT laws and serve the same God as us.

That they reject and do not know Jesus is a separate matter. At large, they are blind because they are deceived. Not because they are evil.

This is why they still have the last week of the seventy weeks promised to them coming.

What Are the Seventy Weeks of Daniel? (Daniel 9)

The events detailed in Daniel 9 are fulfilled in the person of Jesus of Nazareth. He is the coming king.

www.crossway.org

You don’t get to reject the Son and still claim the Father.
You don’t get to deny the Christ and pretend it’s the same covenant.
Jesus wasn’t making suggestions — He was issuing a verdict.

Jews have not 'rejected' Jesus. They just don't believe He is their Messiah.

Rejecting Jesus is not simply choosing to not believe He is the Messiah. This is where you are not applying your mind.

Did you not read the two links I gave you explaining what exactly a Christian is? Please do!

You embarrass Christianity if you teach and imply that simply because a person is in religion A over B, they are pure evil and enroute to hell.

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Please try understand:

A god fearing person is closer to receiving a revelation of Jesus, which is God given (Matt 16:16-17, 1 Cor 12:3, Rom 12:3), over an ungodly person.

And all practicing Jews are most certainly God fearing!

You walk on ice and embarrass Christianity if you:

1. Demonize god fearing people.
2. Claim the Jews are not a chosen race.
3. Think Jews have not and are not suffering because of their loyalty to God. Our God.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

You are being biased and avoiding discussion. Cherry picking scriptures from Jesus, Paul and John to demonize Jews.

I said to you,

1. Jesus said ''forgive, they know not what they do''

Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

Why did Jesus say that?

2. Paul explains that he was the chiefest of sinners and yet God showed him grace and mercy.

1 Tim 1:15 This is a trustworthy saying and deserving of full acceptance: that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the chief.

3. I explained to you that the Jews live by the OT laws with only a change to the enforcement of punishment. They are a God fearing society. And you mocking them?




Your problem is that you are reading verses with a bias and it seems the entire bible is flying over your head.

Eph 1:4 and Gal 3:29 makes it crystal clear that all of mankind was chosen to be in Christ.

Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Jews were chosen for something else in addition to reigning with Jesus / being without blame before God. Namely, from the time Abraham sacrificed his son, God made a covenant with him. His seed would be the bloodline of Jesus - Exodus 1.

Try, grasp that Jews don't ''become Abraham's seed''. They are his seed. This is like a ''duh'' fact.

That they have fallen away, lose their path and that many don't accept Jesus as Lord, is a separate matter for discussion.

You keep accusing me of being biased for quoting Jesus, Paul, and John — but I’m not the one ignoring Scripture. You are.

You said: “Jews are still chosen, just fallen away. That’s a separate matter.”
But Paul didn’t treat it as a separate matter. He made it the central point in Romans 9–11.

“Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel… it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.” – Romans 9:6–8

Pauls' entire argument of Galatians and Romans is that bloodline doesn’t save anyone — and being a descendant of Abraham means nothing without Christ.

You quoted Galatians 3:29 — but then immediately contradicted it.
You said Jews don’t “become” Abraham’s seed, as if bloodline is enough.
But Paul says:

“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” – Galatians 3:29
That’s not a racial confirmation — that’s a covenant condition.

It doesn’t say, “Jews are automatically the seed, and believers are too.”
It says the only people counted as Abraham’s true heirs are those in Christ — whether Jew or Gentile.

Paul doesn’t need to use the word “only” — the logic makes it unavoidable:
If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.
Which means: if you are not Christ’s, you are not the seed.
Period.

That’s exactly what he reinforces in Romans 2:28–29:
“A Jew is not one outwardly, but inwardly. Circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit.”

Again — covenant identity is not by flesh, but by faith.
And in Romans 9:8, he drives it all the way home:
“It is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God.”

You keep trying to preserve a special status for people who openly reject Christ — but Paul dismantles that Scofield fantasy line by line. There is no second covenant. No ethnic exception clause. No future blessing for those who deny the Son. Without Christ, there is no inheritance — only judgment. Period. The end.

As for your use of Ephesians 1:4 — yes, God chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world. But that verse doesn’t say “all mankind is chosen.” It says those in Him are chosen. Outside of Him, there is no covenant, no inheritance, no salvation — Jew or Gentile.

Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do” (Luke 23:34).
That was mercy, not endorsement. And 40 years later, Jerusalem was judged, the temple was destroyed, and the covenant system ended — not because they were “still chosen,” but because they rejected the One who was sent.
This isn’t bias. It’s the Word of God.

There is one name under heaven by which we must be saved.
There is one olive tree — and if you are not grafted in through faith, you are broken off.
That’s not hate. That’s the Gospel.

“If ethnicity still saves, then Christ died for nothing.” – Galatians 2:21

 

[Sue J Love]

Hi Sue, my sincerest apologies — that mention of your name alongside KingJ was a total mistake on my part. You both have similar white avatars and J's, and I was absolutely exhausted when I was writing that post. By the time I realized I had mistakenly lumped you into a response meant only for KingJ, the edit window had already expired and I couldn’t correct it. - Sorry for the mixup.

Thank you for explaining the mixup. Those things happen. We all get tired and don't always see clearly.

 

[Garee]

I don’t hate the Jewish people.
I want them to be saved — by faith in Jesus Christ, the only name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved (Acts 4:12).
So if you want to have a real discussion, bring the Bible.
Otherwise, don’t confuse boldness with cruelty or conviction with malice.

Let’s get this straight right now:
Jesus isn’t returning to endorse a Christ-rejecting priesthood.
He’s returning to judge it.
He already replaced the temple 2,000 years ago — with His own body (John 2:19).
Anyone still waiting for bricks and sacrifices has missed the entire point of the Gospel.

“Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” – John 2:19
“The hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father… but in spirit and truth.” – John 4:21–23 “We have an altar from which those who serve the tent have no right to eat.” – Hebrews 13:10

Yes, chosen people not chosen race. God is not a racist

The three days and nights demonstration of the lamb slain from the foundation. The six-day Christ the Holy Father did work.

Two witnesses as parables. That of Jonas "belly whale" and Jesus the Son of man "heart of earth" (suffering of hell).

Jesus fulfilled the Philippian 2:13-14. Christ's work of faith working in us to both (the key) understand the will and empower mankind do it according to the Holy Fathers good pleasure

Philippians 2 :13-14For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Do all things without murmurings and disputings:

Jesus the Son of man did the will of the Holy Father without murmuring. The racist Jonas fought tooth and nail against the Holy Father Christ and wanted to die.

Therefore teaching us God is not served by the dying hands as a will of mankind in any way shape or form

Three a metaphor which denotes the end of a matter used in parable. Three different kinds of demonstrations working together as if one.

The first the garden of Gethsemane to represent the garden of Eden the removal of flaming sword.

In the garden fulling the two prophecies of the Father and Son of man Jesus team. (Elohim) The bruising of the Son of man Jesus' heel. . . crushing the head of the serpent. Genesis 3:15 mixed with Isiaha 53. . . pleasing of the Father Christ to strike the Son.

Mathew 26:38-46 Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.;And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.;He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.;And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy.And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.;Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.Rise, (and shine) let us be going: behold, he (Satan) is at hand that doth betray me.


Three times suffering unto death Jesus asked the other apostles to help strengthen in prayer. Three times the Holy Father put them to sleep in order to fulfil the bruising of the heel parable. (Genisis3:15 with Isaiah 53)

Then they awoke and moved to demonstration two, the hill of Skull the cross. The more popular of the three. A bloody husband demonstration to the unbelieving world. . giving the illusion it was the Satan inspired crowd and not the unseen Holy Father who struck the Son.

What I would call the dynamic dual. A sign to wonder after in a hope it would lead to prophecy the word of God. believers have prophecy (Genesis 3:15 mixed with Isaiah 53)

The world loves to see the literal blood a real traffic slow downer. . stopper, And I believe is why when instructed to apply blood to doorway before exiting Egypt. He informed them when he sees the blood used to represent the pouring out of His Holy Spirit life.

The life of the flesh that returns to dust is in the blood that life is spiritual invisible .. . . . . a living sacrifice pour out Holy Spirit on dying flesh

Two witnesses

Exodus 12:13 And the blood shall be to you for a token (outward sign or shadow )upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

Exodus 12:23 For the Lord will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the Lord will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you.

Then the last of the three demonstrations the tomb above ground "breathable". The demonstration of faith the unseen things of the Holy Spirit

There the Father Christ keeping the earthen body of Jesus from corrupting to the point of no return.(dead)

The Holy Father removed the grave clothes and rolled back the Stone finishing the work of two. The dynamic dual (Elohim)

Unlike Lazarus four days the Father Christ kept his body from corrupting deader than a door nail . This time he had the Christian fellowship remove the grave clothes and roll back the stone .It would seem the welcoming of a new- born again member. The stinky, heavy, good equal opportunity job (LOL)

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Correct, nobody comes to God the Father but by God the Son. A good Jew would find Jesus.

Important to understand that in the OT all good Jews would all go to paradise Luke 16:19-31.

This should make clear the fact that accepting Jesus as Lord is not a religion A over religion B matter.



You are twisting my words. I said Jews live by the OT laws and serve the same God as us.

That they reject and do not know Jesus is a separate matter. At large, they are blind because they are deceived. Not because they are evil.

This is why they still have the last week of the seventy weeks promised to them coming.

What Are the Seventy Weeks of Daniel? (Daniel 9)

The events detailed in Daniel 9 are fulfilled in the person of Jesus of Nazareth. He is the coming king.

www.crossway.org

Jews have not 'rejected' Jesus. They just don't believe He is their Messiah.

Rejecting Jesus is not simply choosing to not believe He is the Messiah. This is where you are not applying your mind.

Did you not read the two links I gave you explaining what exactly a Christian is? Please do!

You embarrass Christianity if you teach and imply that simply because a person is in religion A over B, they are pure evil and enroute to hell.

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Please try understand:

A god fearing person is closer to receiving a revelation of Jesus, which is God given (Matt 16:16-17, 1 Cor 12:3, Rom 12:3), over an ungodly person.

And all practicing Jews are most certainly God fearing!

You walk on ice and embarrass Christianity if you:

1. Demonize god fearing people.
2. Claim the Jews are not a chosen race.
3. Think Jews have not and are not suffering because of their loyalty to God. Our God.

You're confusing blindness with innocence. But Scripture doesn’t.
Yes — Paul says Israel is partially hardened (Romans 11:25).
But he also says in Romans 10:21:
“All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people."

Disobedient. Contrary. Not merely confused.
Jesus didn’t say, “You’re close.” He said, “You do not know Him.”
And in John 8:42–44, He issued a spiritual verdict:
“If God were your Father, you would love Me.”
“You do not know Him.”
“You are of your father, the devil.”

That’s not my interpretation — that’s Christ Himself speaking to the religious elite.
You say “they’re still God-fearing.” But Jesus said - “You don’t know God at all.”

You keep trying to separate rejecting Jesus from “not believing He’s the Messiah.”
But that is rejection. That is unbelief.
The entire Gospel hinges on this truth:
“Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father.” – 1 John 2:23
“He who is not with Me is against Me.” – Matthew 12:30
“No one comes to the Father except through Me.” – John 14:6

There is no such thing as serving “the same God” while denying His Son.
There is no backdoor into heaven for those who think Jesus was just a prophet. There is no second covenant running alongside the Gospel for those who deny Christ. That idea didn’t come from Paul or Jesus — it came from Scofield’s heresy and the Zionist theology that hijacked the modern Church in 1909.

You say I “demonize God-fearing people.” I’m not demonizing anyone.
But let’s be clear: no one fears God rightly while rejecting the One He sent.
That’s not my opinion. That’s Scripture:
“The one who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.” – John 5:23
“Without faith it is impossible to please God.” – Hebrews 11:6
“Whoever does not believe stands condemned already.” – John 3:18

Fear without faith is judgment.
Zeal without truth is rebellion.
And heritage without Christ is nothing but dead branches ready to be burned.

You walk on ice not by telling the truth — but by propping up a system that crucified the Son and still mocks Him today.
The Gospel isn’t “religion A vs. B.”
It’s life vs. death, Christ or judgment, faith or wrath.

You want to see God’s loyalty?
Look at the Cross.
That’s where the covenant was fulfilled.
And that’s where it ends for anyone who walks away from the Son.

“If righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died for nothing.” – Galatians 2:21

 

[Rxlx]

You keep accusing me of being biased for quoting Jesus, Paul, and John — but I’m not the one ignoring Scripture. You are.

You said: “Jews are still chosen, just fallen away. That’s a separate matter.”
But Paul didn’t treat it as a separate matter. He made it the central point in Romans 9–11.

“Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel… it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.” – Romans 9:6–8

Pauls' entire argument of Galatians and Romans is that bloodline doesn’t save anyone — and being a descendant of Abraham means nothing without Christ.

You quoted Galatians 3:29 — but then immediately contradicted it.
You said Jews don’t “become” Abraham’s seed, as if bloodline is enough.
But Paul says:

“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” – Galatians 3:29
That’s not a racial confirmation — that’s a covenant condition.

It doesn’t say, “Jews are automatically the seed, and believers are too.”
It says the only people counted as Abraham’s true heirs are those in Christ — whether Jew or Gentile.

Paul doesn’t need to use the word “only” — the logic makes it unavoidable:
If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.
Which means: if you are not Christ’s, you are not the seed.
Period.

That’s exactly what he reinforces in Romans 2:28–29:
“A Jew is not one outwardly, but inwardly. Circumcision is of the heart, by the Spirit.”

Again — covenant identity is not by flesh, but by faith.
And in Romans 9:8, he drives it all the way home:
“It is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God.”

You keep trying to preserve a special status for people who openly reject Christ — but Paul dismantles that Scofield fantasy line by line. There is no second covenant. No ethnic exception clause. No future blessing for those who deny the Son. Without Christ, there is no inheritance — only judgment. Period. The end.

As for your use of Ephesians 1:4 — yes, God chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world. But that verse doesn’t say “all mankind is chosen.” It says those in Him are chosen. Outside of Him, there is no covenant, no inheritance, no salvation — Jew or Gentile.

Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do” (Luke 23:34).
That was mercy, not endorsement. And 40 years later, Jerusalem was judged, the temple was destroyed, and the covenant system ended — not because they were “still chosen,” but because they rejected the One who was sent.
This isn’t bias. It’s the Word of God.

There is one name under heaven by which we must be saved.
There is one olive tree — and if you are not grafted in through faith, you are broken off.
That’s not hate. That’s the Gospel.

“If ethnicity still saves, then Christ died for nothing.” – Galatians 2:21

Don't waste your time trying to rason with kingj - he is a blind, bigotted fool for Satan.

 

[th1bill]

Please educate yourself. If you don't know what Im saying, then you're totally lost and just misleading others.

“If you’re a Christian and you support the modern geopolitical state of Israel, you deny that Christ is the Messiah” isn’t "spewing garbage" — it’s a doctrinal statement.

Let me be perfectly clear about the eternal danger you’re in as a Dispensationalist.

This isn’t a minor theological disagreement.
This is a matter of the Gospel itself — and the title of this entire thread isn’t just an opinion.
“If you’re a Christian and you support the modern geopolitical state of Israel, you deny that Christ is the Messiah.”

That’s not hyperbole. That’s not sensationalism.
That is Biblical fact — and your soul may depend on whether you recognize it.

Because if you believe that God still owes something to a Christ-rejecting nation…
If you think Jesus postponed His promises until after World War III, a rebuilt temple, or a future ethnic revival…
Then you have rejected the very meaning of the cross.

You have made the blood of Christ insufficient,
You have declared the New Covenant incomplete,
And whether you know it or not — you are preaching a gospel that cannot save.

If you believe the promises to Israel are still waiting to be fulfilled by a modern nation-state —
then you’re denying that Christ is the Messiah.
“For all the promises of God find their Yes in Him.” — 2 Corinthians 1:20

If you believe God will bless a people who reject His Son, simply because of their ancestry —
then you’re denying that Christ is the Messiah.
“Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father.” — 1 John 2:23

If you believe there’s still a covenant in operation outside of the New Covenant —
then you’re denying that Christ is the Messiah.
“In speaking of a new covenant, He makes the first one obsolete.” — Hebrews 8:13

If you believe there are “two peoples, two plans, two destinies” —
then you’re denying that Christ is the Messiah.
“There is one body and one Spirit… one Lord, one faith, one baptism.” — Ephesians 4:4–5

If you believe the Gospel has a national exception clause —
then you’re denying that Christ is the Messiah.
“There is neither Jew nor Gentile… for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” — Galatians 3:28

If you support any theology that postpones God’s promises beyond the cross —
then you’re denying that Christ is the Messiah.
“He has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.” — Hebrews 9:26

If you believe Christ came to start the plan of redemption but hasn’t finished it yet
then you’re denying that Christ is the Messiah.
“It is finished.” — John 19:30

If you think a third temple is required before Jesus can return —
then you’re denying that Christ is the Messiah.
“Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?” — 1 Corinthians 3:16

If you believe the Church is a temporary pause in God’s “real plan” for ethnic Israel —
then you’re denying that Christ is the Messiah.
“This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body.” — Ephesians 3:6

If you believe the bloodline of Abraham holds prophetic power apart from the blood of Jesus —
then you’re denying that Christ is the Messiah.
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.” — Galatians 3:29
And if someone says, “But we are Abraham’s descendants!” — remind them:
So were the men who crucified Christ.
“If you were Abraham’s children, you would be doing the works Abraham did… but now you seek to kill Me.”— John 8:39–40

Jesus Himself said it plainly:
Physical descent means nothing if you reject the Son.

“Before Abraham was, I AM.” — John 8:58
The true seed of Abraham is not traced by blood — it’s traced by the cross.
Only those in Christ are counted as heirs.
Outside of Him, there is no inheritance, no covenant, and no promise left to claim.


So let this be as clear as the fire of Sinai:
If you believe any of this —
that God’s covenant still belongs to the flesh,
that the Messiah left His work unfinished,
that a Christ-rejecting nation holds divine favor,
or that Israel’s destiny lies outside the blood of Jesus —
then according to the Gospel, you are not part of the Body of Christ.
You are not within His covenant.
You are not standing in the promises.

You are outside the ark.
Outside the Kingdom.
And unless you repent —
you will perish outside the gates, with your idol.

And if you continue to preach and follow this Scofield-born, war-hungry, idol-wrapped, Satanic deception —
then you’re not just misled. You’re flirting with eternal damnation.

“If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.” — Galatians 1:9

And as a Dispensationalist, that’s exactly what you’re doing — 24/7/365.

In closing:

Galatians 3:16 says Christ is the Seed of Abraham — not the Knesset, not a land deed, not a modern secular government.

The New Testament doesn’t support dual covenants. It says:

“There is no distinction between Jew and Greek… for all are one in Christ Jesus.” (Gal. 3:28)

If a theology claims you can bless a nation while it rejects Christ — and still call that covenantal faithfulness — then it’s not Christianity.
It’s Scofieldism, and it leads people away from the Gospel, not toward it.

That’s Scripture — whether it makes people uncomfortable or not.

Scofieldism has created a theology where following the Gospel of Jesus Christ is considered “anti-Semitic.”

If you quote Jesus’ own words to the Pharisees, you’re “attacking Israel.”
If you preach the New Covenant through His blood, you’re “replacement theology.”
If you say Christ is the fulfillment of every promise — you’re “dangerously divisive.”

In other words:
Preach Christ fully, and you're a heretic to Scofield’s followers.

That’s not Christianity.
That’s a false gospel that protects a Christ-rejecting system

Pure garbage! The Scriptures do not contain chapter and verse numbers in their original state but are written as letters from Yehovah and you are ripping them out of their original context to establish what you or someone else wants to be true. And you're suggesting I'm not saved and a Born Again Christian is both forbidden on this site and is not Christian behavior

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Pure garbage! The Scriptures do not contain chapter and verse numbers in their original state but are written as letters from Yehovah and you are ripping them out of their original context to establish what you or someone else wants to be true. And you're suggesting I'm not saved and a Born Again Christian is both forbidden on this site and is not Christian behavior

If the Scriptures I quoted disturb you, then your issue is with the Word of God — not with me.

I didn’t condemn you.
I quoted the apostles.
I quoted the Messiah Himself.
If that makes you uncomfortable, good. That’s called conviction.
And if you claim to be a born-again Christian, then submit to the Word — not Scofield’s footnotes.

You say I’m “ripping verses out of context.” Then show me how.
Let’s open the Word and walk through it, line by line.
Start with:

“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.” – Gal. 3:29
What’s the context?
What does “in Christ” mean?
Who is the true heir?
Answer that honestly, and your entire system crumbles.

You accuse me of bad behavior because I said Dispensationalism is a false gospel.
But Paul said the same thing — stronger:
“If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.” – Galatians 1:9

You say you're born again.
Then act like it — and stop defending a theology that declares Christ’s work unfinished, His blood insufficient, and His body divided.

Christ is the Seed. Not the Knesset. Not the flag. Not the third temple.
If your hope is in a Christ-rejecting nation, you’re not following the Gospel.
You’re following a Zionist narrative dressed up in Scripture, and it will lead you — and others — straight into delusion.

I’m not here to win popularity.
I’m here to defend the Gospel.
And that Gospel says:
“There is no distinction between Jew and Greek… for all are one in Christ Jesus.” – Galatians 3:28

If your theology makes room for a Christless covenant, it’s not Christianity — it’s heresy.

You want a discussion? Then refute the verses.
Otherwise, your anger only confirms that the truth touched a nerve.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

The Scofield Bible has done more to destroy true Christianity in America than any single book outside of the Talmud itself.
It’s terrifying to realize how many believers now preach a dual covenant,
A Christless plan for the Jews,
A rebuilding of the temple,
And a postponed kingdom — all because of one man’s delusional footnotes.

Scofield was a disbarred conman, a Zionist puppet, and a man who rewrote the faith with footnotes — not Scripture.
And now, 100 years later, Christians in America are sending their children to die in wars for a Christ-rejecting government because they think it fulfills "prophecy".

This is insanity.
It’s blasphemy.
And it is a false gospel that will damn countless souls unless it’s called out and burned at the roots.

Dispensationalism is not a “viewpoint.” It’s a lie.
A lie so deep, so widespread, that you can quote Paul word-for-word and still be called a heretic by Scofield’s misled disciples.

Christ fulfilled the promises.
He didn’t delay them.
And He’s not coming back to reward unbelief.

 

[Rxlx]

If the Scriptures I quoted disturb you, then your issue is with the Word of God — not with me.

I didn’t condemn you.
I quoted the apostles.
I quoted the Messiah Himself.
If that makes you uncomfortable, good. That’s called conviction.
And if you claim to be a born-again Christian, then submit to the Word — not Scofield’s footnotes.

You say I’m “ripping verses out of context.” Then show me how.
Let’s open the Word and walk through it, line by line.
Start with:

“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.” – Gal. 3:29
What’s the context?
What does “in Christ” mean?
Who is the true heir?
Answer that honestly, and your entire system crumbles.

You accuse me of bad behavior because I said Dispensationalism is a false gospel.
But Paul said the same thing — stronger:
“If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.” – Galatians 1:9

You say you're born again.
Then act like it — and stop defending a theology that declares Christ’s work unfinished, His blood insufficient, and His body divided.

Christ is the Seed. Not the Knesset. Not the flag. Not the third temple.
If your hope is in a Christ-rejecting nation, you’re not following the Gospel.
You’re following a Zionist narrative dressed up in Scripture, and it will lead you — and others — straight into delusion.

I’m not here to win popularity.
I’m here to defend the Gospel.
And that Gospel says:
“There is no distinction between Jew and Greek… for all are one in Christ Jesus.” – Galatians 3:28

If your theology makes room for a Christless covenant, it’s not Christianity — it’s heresy.

You want a discussion? Then refute the verses.
Otherwise, your anger only confirms that the truth touched a nerve.

don't waste your time with fools like old bill and kingjr. Proverbs 26:4-5 – Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes. The self-confident fool thinks too highly of himself and his opinions, and he shares them freely.

 

[KingJ]

You say I “demonize God-fearing people.” I’m not demonizing anyone.

It seems you think readers here are braindead.

1. Your thread title states that supporting Israel / Jews makes you a non Christian. Do you agree with Muslims calling for the 'river to the sea' removal of Jews from Israel?

''If you’re a Christian and you support the modern geopolitical state of Israel, you deny that Christ is the Messiah. It's that simple.''

You are not a Christian if you don't feel a connection with Jews. And you do not know your bible if you think Israel is not their home.

2. In your OP you cherry pick scripture ''Jesus called the Jews “the children of the devil” (John 8:44)''.

All of us would crucify Jesus, that is why He said ''forgive them they know not what they do''.

3. In your OP you mention Talmudic Jews and then proceed to group all Jews in that bracket.

Talmudic Jews are; all of them. To any true follower of Jesus Christ, Talmudic Judaism isn’t just a different religion — it’s the throne of Satan on Earth. It is the spiritual infrastructure of the Antichrist. It’s not about some wannabe satanists trying to put up a Baphomet statue at an elementary school; — it’s Judaism itself that is the global church of Satan.

By mocking Israel I assume you think all Jews there are in Judaism? Being a Jew is an ethnicity. Not all Jews are religious. Around 70% are. Of this % about 5-6% are other religions. Of which 2% are Christian. The remaining 64%, about 35% are reformed and do not follow the Talmud. Of the remaining 42%,we need to exclude the children who have no choice but to follow their parents. In Israel the average household is 3.69 people. That would mean 23% of all Jews are 'potentially' very orthodoxy and supportive of the Talmud.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

It seems you think readers here are braindead.

1. Your thread title states that supporting Israel / Jews makes you a non Christian. Do you agree with Muslims calling for the 'river to the sea' removal of Jews from Israel?

''If you’re a Christian and you support the modern geopolitical state of Israel, you deny that Christ is the Messiah. It's that simple.''

You are not a Christian if you don't feel a connection with Jews. And you do not know your bible if you think Israel is not their home.

2. In your OP you cherry pick scripture ''Jesus called the Jews “the children of the devil” (John 8:44)''.

All of us would crucify Jesus, that is why He said ''forgive them they know not what they do''.

3. In your OP you mention Talmudic Jews and then proceed to group all Jews in that bracket.

Talmudic Jews are; all of them. To any true follower of Jesus Christ, Talmudic Judaism isn’t just a different religion — it’s the throne of Satan on Earth. It is the spiritual infrastructure of the Antichrist. It’s not about some wannabe satanists trying to put up a Baphomet statue at an elementary school; — it’s Judaism itself that is the global church of Satan.

By mocking Israel I assume you think all Jews there are in Judaism? Being a Jew is an ethnicity. Not all Jews are religious. Around 70% are. Of this % about 5-6% are other religions. Of which 2% are Christian. The remaining 64%, about 35% are reformed and do not follow the Talmud. Of the remaining 42%,we need to exclude the children who have no choice but to follow their parents. In Israel the average household is 3.69 people. That would mean 23% of all Jews that live in Israel are 'potentially' very orthodoxy and supportive of the Talmud.

You accuse me of demonizing “God-fearing people.” I don’t demonize anyone — I expose false religion. There’s a difference.

1. “Are you a Muslim?”
Your first defense is slander. Classic tactic — when you can’t refute the point, call names.
No, I’m not a Muslim. I’m a Christian — and I believe what Jesus said. If that offends your blasphemous, Scofield Study Bible, take it up with the red letters.

Jesus didn’t say “whoever blesses the modern state of Israel shall be saved.”
He said:
“No one comes to the Father except through Me.” — John 14:6
“Whoever rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me.” — Luke 10:16

There is no New Covenant path to God through geopolitical Israel. Period.
Supporting a Christ-rejecting nation does not make you righteous — it makes you deluded.

2. “You cherry-pick John 8:44.”
Really? Let’s read it again — the whole passage.

Jesus says to the Jews:
“You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do…”
“If God were your Father, you would love Me…” — John 8:42–44

He wasn’t talking to Muslims.
He wasn’t talking to pagans.
He was talking to the religious leaders of Israel who rejected Him.
And when they demanded He prove His authority, He said:
“Before Abraham was, I AM.” — John 8:58
And they picked up stones.

So no — this isn’t cherry-picking. This is Jesus Christ publicly rejecting the claim that bloodline equals righteousness.

3. “Not all Jews are religious.”
Correct. And not all Pharisees were Sadducees either. Doesn’t mean Jesus excused either camp.
The Bible doesn't separate people by DNA — it separates them by belief.

Romans 9:6–8 — “Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel… it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise.”

So when I call out Talmudic Judaism — which teaches that Jesus is boiling in human excrement in Hell, and that Gentiles are animals — I am not “grouping all Jews.” I am identifying the spiritual power system Jesus warned us about.

And by the way: You said “Being a Jew is an ethnicity.”
That proves my point.
The modern state of Israel is not a covenantal nation. It is an ethnic-political entity.
And ethnicity has no covenant without Christ.

Galatians 3:28–29 —
“There is neither Jew nor Greek… if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.”

So I’m not mocking Jews. I’m proclaiming the Gospel.
And the Gospel says:

No one gets to the Father except through the Son.

Not by race. Not by flag and not by Scofield’s footnotes.

If you believe supporting a Christ-rejecting nation makes you a better Christian…
Then you deny the sufficiency of the cross.
You’re building another temple.
And you’ve traded the blood of Christ for the bloodline of Abraham.

That’s not Christianity.

That’s Antichrist theology — dressed in religious tradition, propped up by Scofield’s footnotes, and sold to the church as 'prophecy'.

 

[Garee]

By mocking Israel I assume you think all Jews there are in Judaism? Being a Jew is an ethnicity. Not all Jews are religious. Around 70% are. Of this % about 5-6% are other religions. Of which 2% are Christian. The remaining 64%, about 35% are reformed and do not follow the Talmud. Of the remaining 42%,we need to exclude the children who have no choice but to follow their parents. In Israel the average household is 3.69 people. That would mean 23% of all Jews are 'potentially' very orthodoxy and supportive of the Talmud.

Two kinds of Israels. Not all Isreal are born again believers' sons of God. Some remained under Jacob (the deceiver)

One law temporal seen the other eternal not seen. (faith . . power)

As a sign to the unbelieving world or outward Jew according to what the eyes see. Those who had no faith Christ's as it is written (sola scriotura )

They tried to make our born again brother in the lord into a circus seal. Work some magic perform a miracle then when we see it with or our eyes we will believe for a microsecond.

Simply the king of lying sign to wonder, wonder, wonder after .

Believers have prophecy .No need to wonder as if true prophecy

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

 

[KingJ]

You accuse me of demonizing “God-fearing people.” I don’t demonize anyone — I expose false religion. There’s a difference.

1. “Are you a Muslim?”
Your first defense is slander. Classic tactic — when you can’t refute the point, call names.
No, I’m not a Muslim. I’m a Christian — and I believe what Jesus said. If that offends your blasphemous, Scofield Study Bible, take it up with the red letters.

Jesus didn’t say “whoever blesses the modern state of Israel shall be saved.”
He said:
“No one comes to the Father except through Me.” — John 14:6
“Whoever rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me.” — Luke 10:16

There is no New Covenant path to God through geopolitical Israel. Period.
Supporting a Christ-rejecting nation does not make you righteous — it makes you deluded.

2. “You cherry-pick John 8:44.”
Really? Let’s read it again — the whole passage.

Jesus says to the Jews:
“You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do…”
“If God were your Father, you would love Me…” — John 8:42–44

He wasn’t talking to Muslims.
He wasn’t talking to pagans.
He was talking to the religious leaders of Israel who rejected Him.
And when they demanded He prove His authority, He said:
“Before Abraham was, I AM.” — John 8:58
And they picked up stones.

So no — this isn’t cherry-picking. This is Jesus Christ publicly rejecting the claim that bloodline equals righteousness.

3. “Not all Jews are religious.”
Correct. And not all Pharisees were Sadducees either. Doesn’t mean Jesus excused either camp.
The Bible doesn't separate people by DNA — it separates them by belief.

Romans 9:6–8 — “Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel… it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise.”

So when I call out Talmudic Judaism — which teaches that Jesus is boiling in human excrement in Hell, and that Gentiles are animals — I am not “grouping all Jews.” I am identifying the spiritual power system Jesus warned us about.

And by the way: You said “Being a Jew is an ethnicity.”
That proves my point.
The modern state of Israel is not a covenantal nation. It is an ethnic-political entity.
And ethnicity has no covenant without Christ.

Galatians 3:28–29 —
“There is neither Jew nor Greek… if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.”

So I’m not mocking Jews. I’m proclaiming the Gospel.
And the Gospel says:

No one gets to the Father except through the Son.

Not by race. Not by flag and not by Scofield’s footnotes.

If you believe supporting a Christ-rejecting nation makes you a better Christian…
Then you deny the sufficiency of the cross.
You’re building another temple.
And you’ve traded the blood of Christ for the bloodline of Abraham.

That’s not Christianity.

That’s Antichrist theology — dressed in religious tradition, propped up by Scofield’s footnotes, and sold to the church as 'prophecy'.

You are dancing. I gave you three valid examples. Re-read them and meditate on them. You are 100% guilty of demonizing Jews.