If you’re a Christian and you support the modern geopolitical state of Israel, you deny that Christ is the Messiah. It's that simple.

[Garee]

You are dancing. I gave you three valid examples. Re-read them and meditate on them. You are 100% guilty of demonizing Jews.

Which kind of Jews? Two to choose of.

 

[th1bill]

If the Scriptures I quoted disturb you, then your issue is with the Word of God — not with me.

I didn’t condemn you.
I quoted the apostles.
I quoted the Messiah Himself.
If that makes you uncomfortable, good. That’s called conviction.
And if you claim to be a born-again Christian, then submit to the Word — not Scofield’s footnotes.

You say I’m “ripping verses out of context.” Then show me how.
Let’s open the Word and walk through it, line by line.
Start with:

“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.” – Gal. 3:29
What’s the context?
What does “in Christ” mean?
Who is the true heir?
Answer that honestly, and your entire system crumbles.

You accuse me of bad behavior because I said Dispensationalism is a false gospel.
But Paul said the same thing — stronger:
“If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.” – Galatians 1:9

You say you're born again.
Then act like it — and stop defending a theology that declares Christ’s work unfinished, His blood insufficient, and His body divided.

Christ is the Seed. Not the Knesset. Not the flag. Not the third temple.
If your hope is in a Christ-rejecting nation, you’re not following the Gospel.
You’re following a Zionist narrative dressed up in Scripture, and it will lead you — and others — straight into delusion.

I’m not here to win popularity.
I’m here to defend the Gospel.
And that Gospel says:
“There is no distinction between Jew and Greek… for all are one in Christ Jesus.” – Galatians 3:28

If your theology makes room for a Christless covenant, it’s not Christianity — it’s heresy.

You want a discussion? Then refute the verses.
Otherwise, your anger only confirms that the truth touched a nerve.

You blow a lot of hot air, I'll give you that much. The scriptures you quote, out of their context, certainly do not disturb me. i taught the scriptures for over 30 years before my physical condition made it to difficult to do any longer. You look to be one seeking the truth but you have and are teaching half truths.

The scriptures are not divided by the man-made chapter and verse we find in modern-day printings of the translations. The Word of Yehovah was divided by men in the 14th century, I recall, and made study of the Word much more convenient. The nasty part is the then divded letters from our Creator were misused and abused and men, like yourself tried to formulate Doctrine on sentences and partial sentences. The Word of Yehovah is not divided but rather is of a single context and must not be broken the way you are doing.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

You blow a lot of hot air, I'll give you that much. The scriptures you quote, out of their context, certainly do not disturb me. i taught the scriptures for over 30 years before my physical condition made it to difficult to do any longer. You look to be one seeking the truth but you have and are teaching half truths.

The scriptures are not divided by the man-made chapter and verse we find in modern-day printings of the translations. The Word of Yehovah was divided by men in the 14th century, I recall, and made study of the Word much more convenient. The nasty part is the then divded letters from our Creator were misused and abused and men, like yourself tried to formulate Doctrine on sentences and partial sentences. The Word of Yehovah is not divided but rather is of a single context and must not be broken the way you are doing.

You’ve spent more time attacking how I quoted Scripture than actually responding to any of it.

You claim to have taught the Bible for 30 years, yet you just dismissed direct quotations from Jesus, Paul, and the apostles as “hot air.” You didn’t refute a single passage. Not one. You didn’t engage with Galatians 3. You didn’t address Hebrews 13:4. You didn’t touch 1 Corinthians 6:18 or Acts 15:20. You just waved your hand and said, “context.”

So let’s talk context.
The context of Galatians is Paul correcting a group of believers who were being tempted to go back under the old covenant system. Sound familiar?
“You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you?” – Galatians 3:1

That’s the context. Paul rebuking those who were being convinced that there was still something spiritually significant about being a blood descendant of Abraham apart from Christ.

And how does Paul respond?

“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” – Galatians 3:29
That’s not a half-verse. That’s a full theological stake through the heart of Dispensationalism. There’s no ambiguity there. The “seed” is Christ. The heirs are those in Him. Not a geopolitical nation. Not a tribe. Not a DNA test.

You say I’m breaking the Word by quoting “partial sentences”? Tell me — when Jesus said, “It is finished,” should we disregard that because it’s a single sentence? Was He wrong to condense the entire plan of redemption into three words?

No, the problem isn’t verse divisions. The problem is that the Word is cutting through your tradition, and you’re dodging.
If you really want to walk line by line, I’m right here. Let’s open the Word and look at:

Galatians 3:16 says, “The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say ‘and to seeds,’ meaning many people, but ‘and to your seed,’ meaning Christ.”

Galatians 3:28 declares, “There is neither Jew nor Greek… for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”

Ephesians 2:14 proclaims, “He has made both one and has broken down the middle wall of separation.”

Hebrews 8:13 states, “By calling this covenant ‘new,’ He has made the first one obsolete.”

And Romans 9:6–8 explains, “Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel… it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise.”

If you want to debate context, fine. But that means you have to deal with every single verse — not dismiss them wholesale because they threaten your theological system.

You said I’m teaching “half-truths.” Then finish them. Show me where I’m misquoting. Correct me with Scripture — not tradition, not emotional appeals, and not vague references to paragraph structure.

You said the Word isn’t divided. I agree. But Christ divided truth from error, light from darkness, and spirit from flesh. And what He divided, I won’t mix back together just to protect someone’s comfort.

So again I say: If the Scriptures I quoted disturb you, your issue is not with me. It’s with the Word of God.

Either show me the full context that refutes what I’ve laid out…
Or admit what’s really happening here — that the truth is hitting too close to home, and it’s easier to call it “hot air” than to submit to it.

Because if you really taught the Word for 30 years, then you already know:
The Gospel has no room for two covenants, two peoples, or two salvations. There is only one body, one faith, one baptism — and one Seed.

And His name is not “Israel.”
It’s Jesus Christ.

 

[Rxlx]

You’ve spent more time attacking how I quoted Scripture than actually responding to any of it.

You claim to have taught the Bible for 30 years, yet you just dismissed direct quotations from Jesus, Paul, and the apostles as “hot air.” You didn’t refute a single passage. Not one. You didn’t engage with Galatians 3. You didn’t address Hebrews 13:4. You didn’t touch 1 Corinthians 6:18 or Acts 15:20. You just waved your hand and said, “context.”

And Romans 9:6–8 explains, “Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel… it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise.”

Don't waste time with OldBill - his mind is shackled in Catholic nonsense!

 

[KingJ]

Don't waste time with OldBill - his mind is shackled in Catholic nonsense!

Wrong Bill and I think most here have you on ignore, so quite an ironic post.

 

[Rhema]

To any lurkers looking for the truth:

If someone is saying that ethnic Israel will be saved apart from Christ, or that there's a separate covenant for the Jews outside of the Gospel, then yes — that is not just error.

That is heresy.

Indeed, BUT....

I keep running into people who claim that if you're Gentile, then Paul is your apostle and only Paul's writings count. I've seen the "label" Acts 28 Christians used on occasion. I would have thought that to "believe in Jesus" meant that one would obey his teachings.

I'm not sure if the label "Dispensation" covers this viewpoint, but it certainly dispenses with all of the Teachings of Jesus claiming they were only for Jews during his earthly ministry, then there was a "Jewish way to be saved" starting at Acts chapter 2, (cf. Acts 2:38) with all of that under the auspices of Peter until Jesus came and taught Paul the true Gospel, after which there was only the Pauline Gospel for everybody.

Were those who repented under the Baptism of John saved? Or not? Were those who repented and were baptized under Jesus and then Peter saved or not? People keep telling me that there were two ways to be saved, one of which was dispensed with after Paul.

Rhema

(Can't argue with you about Scofield...)

 

[th1bill]

You’ve spent more time attacking how I quoted Scripture than actually responding to any of it.

You claim to have taught the Bible for 30 years, yet you just dismissed direct quotations from Jesus, Paul, and the apostles as “hot air.” You didn’t refute a single passage. Not one. You didn’t engage with Galatians 3. You didn’t address Hebrews 13:4. You didn’t touch 1 Corinthians 6:18 or Acts 15:20. You just waved your hand and said, “context.”

So let’s talk context.
The context of Galatians is Paul correcting a group of believers who were being tempted to go back under the old covenant system. Sound familiar?
“You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you?” – Galatians 3:1

That’s the context. Paul rebuking those who were being convinced that there was still something spiritually significant about being a blood descendant of Abraham apart from Christ.

And how does Paul respond?

“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” – Galatians 3:29
That’s not a half-verse. That’s a full theological stake through the heart of Dispensationalism. There’s no ambiguity there. The “seed” is Christ. The heirs are those in Him. Not a geopolitical nation. Not a tribe. Not a DNA test.

You say I’m breaking the Word by quoting “partial sentences”? Tell me — when Jesus said, “It is finished,” should we disregard that because it’s a single sentence? Was He wrong to condense the entire plan of redemption into three words?

No, the problem isn’t verse divisions. The problem is that the Word is cutting through your tradition, and you’re dodging.
If you really want to walk line by line, I’m right here. Let’s open the Word and look at:

Galatians 3:16 says, “The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say ‘and to seeds,’ meaning many people, but ‘and to your seed,’ meaning Christ.”

Galatians 3:28 declares, “There is neither Jew nor Greek… for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”

Ephesians 2:14 proclaims, “He has made both one and has broken down the middle wall of separation.”

Hebrews 8:13 states, “By calling this covenant ‘new,’ He has made the first one obsolete.”

And Romans 9:6–8 explains, “Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel… it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise.”

If you want to debate context, fine. But that means you have to deal with every single verse — not dismiss them wholesale because they threaten your theological system.

You said I’m teaching “half-truths.” Then finish them. Show me where I’m misquoting. Correct me with Scripture — not tradition, not emotional appeals, and not vague references to paragraph structure.

You said the Word isn’t divided. I agree. But Christ divided truth from error, light from darkness, and spirit from flesh. And what He divided, I won’t mix back together just to protect someone’s comfort.

So again I say: If the Scriptures I quoted disturb you, your issue is not with me. It’s with the Word of God.

Either show me the full context that refutes what I’ve laid out…
Or admit what’s really happening here — that the truth is hitting too close to home, and it’s easier to call it “hot air” than to submit to it.

Because if you really taught the Word for 30 years, then you already know:
The Gospel has no room for two covenants, two peoples, or two salvations. There is only one body, one faith, one baptism — and one Seed.

And His name is not “Israel.”
It’s Jesus Christ.

FYI: A doctrine prevalent in some forms of Protestant Christianity that divides history into distinct periods, each marked by a different dispensation or relationship between God and humanity. Dispensationalism further holds that Christian believers will be transported to heaven without warning and that soon thereafter there will be a period of tribulation, followed by the Second Coming.

This is dispensationalism!

 

[Rhema]

each marked by a different dispensation or relationship between God and humanity.

For I am the LORD, I change not;​

- Malachi 3:6 KJV

 

[Curtis]

I do have to say I have read all that op has said and I can not find anything I would disagree with except the title of this thread. Most if not all born again Christian’s I know support the nation of Israel which does not mean they deny Jesus to be the Messiah. That is just not true.

 

[Rhema]

God spare us from the ignorant who think they know what they're talking about.