If you don't do the things Jesus said, and you call yourself a Christian, are you really a Christian?

[Bendito]

There are modern reports of tribes waiting for someone (a missionary) to arrive to explain the mystery, to shed light on what little they had. Why need missionaries if God or an angel goes ahead and evangelizes them? Job had maybe the covenant of Noah to go by, whatever was passed down by whatever method of communication, by rhema or logos.
Many a Jew graduated from religion to the gospel of Christ a lot easier than a dumb barbarian gentile. The original Church was composed of thousands of believing Jews for Church age 1-7.

I've got doing to do. I'm outta here.

 

[Dovegiven]

So, am I to understand that you are calling me a liar over something? You were the one whining about working all day.

I have called none a liar, and am happy to be employed and able to give at my age, depending upon no man. It's just a little difficult to come home to catch up here and other places. I would prefer to have agnostics, atheists, and satanists to deal with than defensive, doubting Christians. The first three groups tend to catch on quickly.:grin:

 

[Dovegiven]

I've got doing to do. I'm outta here.

What is needed is face to face over coffee and a donut some morning in a little quiet diner. There's nothing better than an instant challenge to what a man believes. Here, we lack body language and accountability, it being mind to mind through electrons. So please indeed go tend to home issues, while I take the trash out then go buy a head of cauliflower and some onions for my wife's favorite dish. Life goes on. Still love each other?

 

[Dovegiven]

What's your point? You do have one?

If not undersatnding that, it is unlikely one can handle just two versions of the Bible.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

So you say the Word is immune to the God-given faculty of logic? Reason too? The gospel remains in the illogical? If that was true no intellectual could be saved until rendered nearly brain dead. The ability of man to use logic in thinking is vital to separate truth from error long enough to change from error to truth. Otherwise, the man is left to believe like the grass, leaning one way today, another way the next.

Now how can you certify that anyone approaching the Word of God intellectually, like Nicodemus did, remains self-wise and unreachable? I read of many famous intellectuals who became Christians, leaving me to assume far many more unknown intellectuals did that down through the ages. Is God only calling intellectually challenged folks to Jesus?

Let's try to get on the same page here!!
So far twice now you have made what I am saying into something I have not.

There are some people who only gain intellectual knowledge and Miss out on spiritual revelation of His Word.

This has not one thing to do with anyone getting saved.

Some folks can not be corrected because they trust their intelligence. They lack in spiritual insight and never grow spiritually.

Their spirit reflects the flesh more and more and all the while quick to spout off.

This has nothing to do with an educated man getting saved.

So please do not throw that concept back in a reply again. Its not the point.

Blessings

 

[JesusIs4Me]

I doubt God would honor any false teaching in just any Bible version, using a false statement to present truth. Would God lie to teach a truth?

Was Jesus lying about what the Father said?

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Did not Jesus warned that this will happen to the sayings of His disciples too?

John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

There is ample evidence that 1 John 5:7 of the Textus Receptus was originally in scripture as far back as 250 A.D. per extrabiblical references rather than just inserted by Erasmus of that time period.

If you know about that "debate" over the KJV, then you also know not all Bibles are saying the same thing. So why believe there is no necessity to discern with Him which Bible loves Him to keep His words and the sayings of His disciples from the Bibles that are not? Even you can look up 1 Corinthians 1:18 and compare with the KJV that we are saved as opposed to "are being saved" for why many believers today think they are not saved yet. Changing His words causes people to doubt His words elsewhere that says otherwise in that same Bible they are reading and so there's the rub. Would God lie to teach a truth? No, but God already told us that some will not love Him to keep His words. So we need Him to discern who loved Him to keep His words from those that did not. When using the NASB and the NIV for so long until I saw the KJV keeping the truth in His words and did not decline from the testimonies of the Son, I thank the Lord Jesus Christ for that and that is why I rely only on the KJV.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

I detect that a viable source of resistance to your ideas is a misunderstanding of unknown tongues. God just can't relieve you when you are so dogmatic about that subject. I will not enter into private daily prayer as though I have come straight from the Throne with all the perfect mind of God to pray to Him. Many things I should pray about are not with solutions God would agree with. That's why I pray in unknown tongues privately at home and on the road, which edifies (builds up) my inner man to be in agreement with the Holy Spirit who always prays best. Your KJV backs that up. I think you ought to believe what the KJV says about that, or abandon the KJV for some anti-tongues version (anti Pentecostal). It won't change your eternal destiny, but could rob you of power.

Contention requiring clarification #1 Are you praying in tongues or is it the "Spirit" praying in tongues? If you use 1 Corinthians 14th chapter, it is Paul prying while he is speaking in tongues that someone else will interpret that tongue so he can understand it and be fruitful to himself. That said, proves tongues are not for private use when Paul taught others to pray that someone else will interpret; otherwise if there was no necessity when done in private use, why for public use?

#2 If still in refusal, since many tongue speakers say tongues self edify and yet the Spirit uses tongues to pray at supposedly His own volition and not because you want to pray in tongues, how do you know what that tongue is doing since that is 2 direction being done here without interpretation to know which direction that tongue is doing; is it to you for self edification or to God in prayer? Now how is that not plain confusion just on the face of that alone and yet we are to abstain from all appearance of evil.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

#3 When sinners in world's religions, idolatries, and the occult speak in the same ecstatic tongue which is gibberish nonsense which is NOT a language of men BEFORE Pentecost came with God's gift of tongues of other men's lips to speak unto the people, how can you prove that these sinners have repented of those spirits and that tongue if God changes His gift of tongues of foreign language to be like that kind of tongue found in the world before Pentecost?

#4 If we are NOT to believe every spirit but test them by knowing He is in us so that anything coming over us later on in life as a saved believer is NOT the Holy Spirit as per 1 John 4:1-4 KJV for why even the tongues are to be tested in 1 John 4:5-6 KJV because there is that supernatural tongue in the world, how is it that believers want to believe that spirit that came over bringing that kind of tongue is the "Holy Spirit" when God is not the author of confusion in any church or believer?

Secondly, where does Jesus say He is the Bridegroom?

The parable of the ten virgins.

Then there is Revelation's references;

Revelation 21:9And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

Revelation 22:17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

What apostle declared Jesus to be our Husband, in the sense of man and wife?

Paul did in Ephesians 5:23. Just in case your Bible version has it different and the site's special feature is not working; here it is in the KJV

Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. …31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. KJV

Don't forget John the Baptist's.

John 3:28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. 29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. 30 He must increase, but I must decrease.

The KJV makes it clear Jesus simply used the Jewish marriage scenario as a basis of a parable about the Kingdom of Heaven. If you accept it literally as a metaphoric parable, then you must also accept every other metaphor of a parable as equal to that. You would have to accept the unjust servant who shook down other borrowers, conspiring to reduce their debts. Do you tell people, when witnessing, you are a bride? If you are a male you might get some resistance based on gender alone. Apparently the time is close when men will applaud that idea. There are elements of the Jewish marriage culture that do a good job of explaining the Christian devotion to Christ. The KJV makes it clear the Bride is the celestial city called New Jerusalem, with large physical dimensions and descriptions, which will be inhabited by the saints of God, including some gentiles before any Jew existed, who are justified by God.

I understand your point of view but hopefully the scriptures I have shown has proven why I believe it is more than just metaphorical since we will be one with God.

John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

 

[KingJ]

Was Jesus lying about what the Father said?

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Did not Jesus warned that this will happen to the sayings of His disciples too?

John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

There is ample evidence that 1 John 5:7 of the Textus Receptus was originally in scripture as far back as 250 A.D. per extrabiblical references rather than just inserted by Erasmus of that time period.

If you know about that "debate" over the KJV, then you also know not all Bibles are saying the same thing. So why believe there is no necessity to discern with Him which Bible loves Him to keep His words and the sayings of His disciples from the Bibles that are not? Even you can look up 1 Corinthians 1:18 and compare with the KJV that we are saved as opposed to "are being saved" for why many believers today think they are not saved yet. Changing His words causes people to doubt His words elsewhere that says otherwise in that same Bible they are reading and so there's the rub. Would God lie to teach a truth? No, but God already told us that some will not love Him to keep His words. So we need Him to discern who loved Him to keep His words from those that did not. When using the NASB and the NIV for so long until I saw the KJV keeping the truth in His words and did not decline from the testimonies of the Son, I thank the Lord Jesus Christ for that and that is why I rely only on the KJV.

You do make a good point. I am a KJV only reader. But you need to grasp that there is a reason the holy bible does not sit atop a holy tower in a holy city, struck by lightning hourly. God wants a degree of corruption. It is evidence of free will.

God is also not a fool. He will not allow '''humans''' to corrupt His word to a point beyond them being able to be saved. Unless He wills it. It could be the time for the devil to be in full control over the earth as in the second half of the tribulation.

There has always been terrible miss-interpretations from cherry picked scripture. ''Esau I have hated, Jacob I have loved''. Rom 9 God can make ''a vessel unto honor and a vessel unto dishonor''. The rest of scripture shows us that God is impartial and that just because He can do something does not mean He does. There are a thousand scriptures on God being a good God. A working brain can grasp partiality is evil. Paul rebukes Christians who can't discern in 1 Cor 6:1-9.

If I take the verse you provided in 1 Cor 1:18 as an example. Yes, I agree an annoying alteration. But, so many scriptures point to OSAS. There is an understanding of God that is lacking in all who do not believe in OSAS. Just as there are for those who do not believe in true free will. Altering a single verse will not suddenly result in them better grasping God. To deceive people who read the bible, you would need to alter stories and perhaps 40-50% of scripture. Literally remove every scripture that says God is good and not a fool.

You would also need to defy the workings of a logical brain that can grasp good and evil Gen 3:22 on the same level God can. Our minds can grasp that God is good and not a fool. Our minds can grasp lies about God in His 'apparent word'.

The reason people reject Jesus / the light and will go to hell one day is not because they believed a few verses in error or were in the non - OSAS camp. It is simply because they love what is wicked. That is the verdict John 3:19.

We are to lead people to Jesus. God does His part. which is to introduce us to Jesus / Himself 1 Cor 12:3, Matt 16:16-17, warn those who amend His word Rev 22:19-21 and give us His Holy Spirit who will lead us into all truth John 16:13.

 

[Bendito]

You do make a good point. I am a KJV only reader. But you need to grasp that there is a reason the holy bible does not sit atop a holy tower in a holy city, struck by lightning hourly. God wants a degree of corruption. It is evidence of free will.

God is also not a fool. He will not allow '''humans''' to corrupt His word to a point beyond them being able to be saved. Unless He wills it. It could be the time for the devil to be in full control over the earth as in the second half of the tribulation.

There has always been terrible miss-interpretations from cherry picked scripture. ''Esau I have hated, Jacob I have loved''. Rom 9 God can make ''a vessel unto honor and a vessel unto dishonor''. The rest of scripture shows us that God is impartial and that just because He can do something does not mean He does. There are a thousand scriptures on God being a good God. A working brain can grasp partiality is evil. Paul rebukes Christians who can't discern in 1 Cor 6:1-9.

If I take the verse you provided in 1 Cor 1:18 as an example. Yes, I agree an annoying alteration. But, so many scriptures point to OSAS. There is an understanding of God that is lacking in all who do not believe in OSAS. Just as there are for those who do not believe in true free will. Altering a single verse will not suddenly result in them better grasping God. You would need to alter stories and perhaps 40-50% of scripture. Literally remove every scripture that says God is good and not a fool.

You would also need to defy the workings of a logical brain that can grasp good and evil Gen 3:22 on the same level God can. Our minds can grasp that God is good and not a fool. Our minds can grasp lies about God in His 'apparent word'.

The reason people reject Jesus / the light and will go to hell one day is not because they believed a few verses in error or were in the non - OSAS camp. It is simply because they love what is wicked. That is the verdict John 3:19.

We are to lead people to Jesus. God does His part. which is to introduce us to Jesus / Himself 1 Cor 12:3, Matt 16:16-17 and no word alteration in any bible version will stand in the way of the Holy Spirit revealing the truth to us.

God wants a degree of corruption.? What?! Show some scripture for that statement.

 

[KingJ]

God wants a degree of corruption.? What?! Show some scripture for that statement.

Gen 1:31 Satan rebelled and was cast out of heaven. “How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations.

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Why did God not put the devil on Mars? Why do atheists and different religions exist? Why are people who amend the meaning of scriptures not struck by lightning?

 

[Bendito]

Gen 1:31 Satan rebelled and was cast out of heaven. “How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations.

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Why did God not put the devil on Mars? Why do atheists and different religions exist? Why are people who amend the meaning of scriptures not struck by lightning?

Those scriptures do not say that God wants a certain amount of corruption. You only accuse God of that.
I believe that Satan and his minions occupied Mars at one time and also the planet between Mars and Jupiter....That's why those two planets are dead now...But I'm not about to argue that with you.

 

[KingJ]

Those scriptures do not say that God wants a certain amount of corruption. You only accuse God of that.

Yes they do. Quite literally. God put the devil on earth. God put the biggest sinner of all time on earth. God put him with humans. God did not expect corruption? God is surprised at humans corrupting His words when He put the devil with them, speaking into their ears. Just think on it a bit more Bendito.

Humans editing bible verses does not surprise God any more then lions eating buck.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

You do make a good point. I am a KJV only reader. But you need to grasp that there is a reason the holy bible does not sit atop a holy tower in a holy city, struck by lightning hourly. God wants a degree of corruption. It is evidence of free will.

God is also not a fool. He will not allow '''humans''' to corrupt His word to a point beyond them being able to be saved. Unless He wills it. It could be the time for the devil to be in full control over the earth as in the second half of the tribulation.

So basically, that "free will theology" is messing with your believing God has preserved His words in keeping with the message He wants us to have in the KJV. Jesus said that there will be those who loved Him and His words to keep them for why I believe the KJV is the result of that line of preservation by God John 14:23 KJV.

There has always been terrible miss-interpretations from cherry picked scripture. ''Esau I have hated, Jacob I have loved''. Rom 9 God can make ''a vessel unto honor and a vessel unto dishonor''. The rest of scripture shows us that God is impartial and that just because He can do something does not mean He does. There are a thousand scriptures on God being a good God. A working brain can grasp partiality is evil. Paul rebukes Christians who can't discern in 1 Cor 6:1-9.

If I take the verse you provided in 1 Cor 1:18 as an example. Yes, I agree an annoying alteration. But, so many scriptures point to OSAS. There is an understanding of God that is lacking in all who do not believe in OSAS. Just as there are for those who do not believe in true free will. Altering a single verse will not suddenly result in them better grasping God. To deceive people who read the bible, you would need to alter stories and perhaps 40-50% of scripture. Literally remove every scripture that says God is good and not a fool.

You would also need to defy the workings of a logical brain that can grasp good and evil Gen 3:22 on the same level God can. Our minds can grasp that God is good and not a fool. Our minds can grasp lies about God in His 'apparent word'.

The reason people reject Jesus / the light and will go to hell one day is not because they believed a few verses in error or were in the non - OSAS camp. It is simply because they love what is wicked. That is the verdict John 3:19.

We are to lead people to Jesus. God does His part. which is to introduce us to Jesus / Himself 1 Cor 12:3, Matt 16:16-17, warn those who amend His word Rev 22:19-21 and give us His Holy Spirit who will lead us into all truth John 16:13.

Free will. I don't believe there is that much freedom in our will when we were sinners. After I have been saved, I know that I can make a decision to do good, but I find myself unable to if I look to myself to do it, but if I look to Jesus Christ to help me to do it, I find that I can. So how much power is there in a believer's decision? None when we look to ourselves which is why we get to know Him and the power of His resurrection when we trust Him to help us to do good and be good.

When Jesus was dying on the cross, He prayed to the Father to forgive them for they know not what they do. Luke 23:34 KJV Reads to me that sinners are ignorant of something.

Before that, He told the disciples the reason He spoke to the disciples and to the unbelievers in parables. Matthew 13:10-16 KJV So how much free will is there in sinners to understand good and evil is there?

John 3:18-21 KJV testify that God knows who is seeking Him from those that are not; as those who are not seeking Him prefer their evil deeds rather than come to Him to be reproved of them. We see evidence of this in outward ministry in the Book of Acts 16:6-10 KJV where they were forbidden not to go to certain places by the Holy Ghost but instead directed by a vision to go to Macedonia to preach the gospel there.

So God knows who is seeking Him from those that do not care to believe in Him to be saved as this promise after a warning that there will be times not to cast pearls before swine because they are not seeking Him.

Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. 7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Then you have that predestination issue that seems to come out of Romans 9:11-26 KJV Although many ascribe this to the Jews for rejecting the chief cornerstone, but later on, it also applies within His own House of Gentiles believers with Jewish believers in Christ in verses 19-24.

I see that no man can come to the Son unless the Father draws him ( John 6:44 KJV ) It is the Father that reveals His Son even to babes as He can hid His Son from the wise and the prudent in Matthew 11:25-27 KJV

So when I read John 3:18-21, I see my believing in Him is a work of God Himself. Then I read this when it comes to our salvation moment.

John 1: 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

It boggles the mind but I denounce that free will theology and I just thank the Father in Jesus's name that I believe in Him to be saved. Yes, I do.

 

[Bendito]

Yes they do. Quite literally. God put the devil on earth. God put the biggest sinner of all time on earth. God put him with humans. God did not expect corruption? God is surprised at humans corrupting His words when He put the devil with them, speaking into their ears. Just think on it a bit more Bendito.

Humans editing bible verses does not surprise God any more then lions eating buck.

There is a difference between knowing that people would fail and wanting them to fail

 

[KingJ]

There is a difference between knowing that people would fail and wanting them to fail

I don't believe you are properly grasping God's perspective. God does not see sin and corruption as failure. He sees no repentance as failure and true repentance as a triumph.

God did not want us to sin?????????? (forgive the question marks, I just want to make my point clear :wink. Mankind + sin was His plan from day one. God knew He had to make leaves to clothe Eve and Adam. So He made them and all types of cloth. Lions with big sharp teeth lay with lambs. God did not want lions to eat lambs?

Adam and Eve were in '''corruptible flesh''' from day one!

 

[KingJ]

So basically, that "free will theology" is messing with your believing God has preserved His words in keeping with the message He wants us to have in the KJV. Jesus said that there will be those who loved Him and His words to keep them for why I believe the KJV is the result of that line of preservation by God John 14:23 KJV.



Free will. I don't believe there is that much freedom in our will when we were sinners. After I have been saved, I know that I can make a decision to do good, but I find myself unable to if I look to myself to do it, but if I look to Jesus Christ to help me to do it, I find that I can. So how much power is there in a believer's decision? None when we look to ourselves which is why we get to know Him and the power of His resurrection when we trust Him to help us to do good and be good.

When Jesus was dying on the cross, He prayed to the Father to forgive them for they know not what they do. Luke 23:34 KJV Reads to me that sinners are ignorant of something.

Before that, He told the disciples the reason He spoke to the disciples and to the unbelievers in parables. Matthew 13:10-16 KJV So how much free will is there in sinners to understand good and evil is there?

John 3:18-21 KJV testify that God knows who is seeking Him from those that are not; as those who are not seeking Him prefer their evil deeds rather than come to Him to be reproved of them. We see evidence of this in outward ministry in the Book of Acts 16:6-10 KJV where they were forbidden not to go to certain places by the Holy Ghost but instead directed by a vision to go to Macedonia to preach the gospel there.

So God knows who is seeking Him from those that do not care to believe in Him to be saved as this promise after a warning that there will be times not to cast pearls before swine because they are not seeking Him.

Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. 7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Then you have that predestination issue that seems to come out of Romans 9:11-26 KJV Although many ascribe this to the Jews for rejecting the chief cornerstone, but later on, it also applies within His own House of Gentiles believers with Jewish believers in Christ in verses 19-24.

I see that no man can come to the Son unless the Father draws him ( John 6:44 KJV ) It is the Father that reveals His Son even to babes as He can hid His Son from the wise and the prudent in Matthew 11:25-27 KJV

So when I read John 3:18-21, I see my believing in Him is a work of God Himself. Then I read this when it comes to our salvation moment.

John 1: 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

It boggles the mind but I denounce that free will theology and I just thank the Father in Jesus's name that I believe in Him to be saved. Yes, I do.

Open a new thread on free will. Replying to this post will derail this one.

I would like to discuss with you why after having been giving the ability to discern good and evil Gen 3:22 you are '''ok''' with serving a partial / evil God.

So many scriptures quoted out of context as well.

 

[Hekuran]

I would like to discuss with you why after having been giving the ability to discern good and evil Gen 3:22 you are '''ok''' with serving a partial / evil God.

So many scriptures quoted out of context as well.

That's too is probably best discussed in a new thread, I'd suggest.

 

[Bendito]

I don't believe you are properly grasping God's perspective. God does not see sin and corruption as failure. He sees no repentance as failure and true repentance as a triumph.

God did not want us to sin?????????? (forgive the question marks, I just want to make my point clear :wink. Mankind + sin was His plan from day one. God knew He had to make leaves to clothe Eve and Adam. So He made them and all types of cloth. Lions with big sharp teeth lay with lambs. God did not want lions to eat lambs?

Adam and Eve were in '''corruptible flesh''' from day one!

OK Sin instead of fail.....................I do not believe that God wants anybody to SIN...Do you Want your kid to steal? Or to lie? or to beat up his/her little sister? Of course you do! How else can they learn? Right?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

It boggles the mind but I denounce that free will theology and I just thank the Father in Jesus's name that I believe in Him to be saved. Yes, I do.

If you want people to take you seriously in what you say then may i suggest that you walk what you are talking.

One breath you denounce free will THEN you take full advantage of free will and act on free will.

Its your free will to believe what ever you want.

You used your free will to not accept free will is what it is, free will.

So how is this?
Blessings

 

[Bendito]

If you want people to take you seriously in what you say then may i suggest that you walk what you are talking.

One breath you denounce free will THEN you take full advantage of free will and act on free will.

Its your free will to believe what ever you want.

You used your free will to not accept free will is what it is, free will.

So how is this?
Blessings

We could name him Free Will y