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[lawrenceb]

Matthew 16:25; Isaiah 26:4

We struggle today, as a culture, to get over the idea that M.D. really stands for "Medical Deity" (rather than "medical doctor"), because most doctors believe they are a god, having the power of life or death over others.

Robert Mendelsohn, M.D., in his book, "Confessions of a Medical Heretic," stated that in Israel in 1973 the doctors went on strike. They reduced their daily patient contact from 65,000 to 7,000. During that month long strike, the death rate dropped 50%. Similar results occurred during a strike 20 years before. The same results were observed in Bogota, Columbia when the doctors struck in 1976 for 52 days and the death rate dropped 35%. And finally, in L.A. County, California, in the same year, the doctors went on a work slowdown to protest their outrage at soaring malpractice insurance rates, and the death rate dropped 18%. "When the strike ended and the medical machines started grinding again, the death rate went back to where it had been before the strike. ("Iatrogenic Disease, The Hidden Cost of Medicine," Koren publications, 1991).

2 Chronicles 16:12-13, "And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians. And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign."

Job 13:4, "But ye are forgers of lies, ye are all physicians of no value."

Jeremiah 8:22, "Is there no balm in Gilead; is there no physician there? why then is not the health of the daughter of my people recovered?"

Mark 5:25-26, "And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years, And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse,"

Luke 8:43, "And a woman having an issue of blood twelve years, which had spent all her living upon physicians, neither could be healed of any,"

Pharmacies = Drugs

Revelation 18:23, "...for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived."

The word that "sorceries" is translated from is Greek word #5331 pharmakeia, which means:

1. the use or the administering of drugs
2. poisoning.

This is from Greek word #5332 pharmakeus, which is from the Greek word pharmakon (a drug, i.e. spell-giving potion). These Greek words are where we get our present day word "Pharmacy."

Everyone looks to man for their healing, when God is our only Healer.

Exodus 15:26, "...if thou wilt indeed hear the voice of the LORD thy God, and do things pleasing before him, and will hearken to his commands, and keep all his ordinances, no disease...shall I bring upon thee, for I am the LORD thy God that heals thee."

Exodus 23:25, "And thou shalt serve the LORD thy God, and I will bless thy bread and thy wine and thy water, and I will turn away sickness from you."

Deuteronomy 7:12,15, "And it shall come to pass when ye shall have heard these ordinances, and shall have kept and done them, that...the LORD thy God shall remove from thee all sickness."

They look to man for their salvation, just like king Asa did and was rebuked by God when "he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians" (2 Chronicles 16:12).

[BTW, the words "conspiracy" and "conspired" are biblical words, appearing 29 times in The Holy Bible. Check out this interesting first mention of the word, which concerns Joseph and his brothers: And when they saw him afar off, even before he came near unto them, they conspired against him to slay him. (Genesis 37:18)]

 

[amanda123]

thank you everyone.

thank you lawrenceb very informative information

this has really become too competittive for me to contribute,,,more of a debate.

But i willread and think about everything carefully

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Daniela Perdomo100,000 Americans Die Each Year from Prescription Drugs, While Pharma Companies Get Rich

According to Wikipedia, the current population of the United States is a bit over 313 million people. Therefore, while the 100,000 figure is a concern, it is not large enough in my opinion to warrant indicting the pharmaceutical industry. I'm 75 years old and I've taken prescription meds all my life without serious side effects, except in the case of one heart medication where the dosage was immediately reduced and the side effect disappeared.

SLE

 

[Chad]

Lol, conspiracy theory about medicine.

Very fruitful, Fraction. Your "lol" really educated the readers here.

What about the billions of lives that vaccines and drugs have saved? What about the massive amounts of epidemics they have prevented?

What billions? Proof of this claim?

Here's my personal take, my personal opinions and thoughts...

1. Trust in Jesus first. Do not let medicine become your miracle healer. GOD is above all. GOD is Healer. GOD is Creator (He knows your body better than any doctor, we all know that already).

2. Seek the Lord for guidance, healing. There is ample miracles Christ performed of healing the sick. No where in the Bible does it say healing would stop after Christ left, so why not tap into the power of GOD?

3. Seek His will. GOD may allow certain illness for His purpose. Job is one example. The blind man in the Gospel is another (John 9:3). Paul not getting his "thorn by his side" removed is another (2 Co 12:7-10)

I personally believe that the government would never fess up to admitting holistic healing methods or natural remedies that would hurt the economy. Look at Japanese people. They eat healthy, they adore green tea (big part of their culture) and they are mostly fit and healthy.

Beyond just medicine, I say the most important thing to do from the physical side of things is eat healthy and exercise daily. You can even walk a mile as an exercise. Walking is very healthy and good for you. There is no reason why a person cannot eat healthy and exercise. GOD provides for His children. Would He not provide a way for His daughter or son to eat healthy and honor the body as the temple?

1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

I have taken medicine in the past. I *personally* do not care for it. I'd rather place my faith in Jesus and eat healthy, live healthy. It works for me. I'm 32. Do I think medicine is right or wrong? I do believe it is not wrong to use medicine, but to a certain degree. For example, I do not agree with "medical marijuana".

I am a big supporter of natural remedies. Just think about this folks. Say parents have a healthy lifestyle and diet. Would their children not be born healthy, especially by faith in GOD and prayer? I believe this myself.

 

[Fraction]

Very fruitful, Fraction. Your "lol" really educated the readers here.



What billions? Proof of this claim?

Here's my personal take, my personal opinions and thoughts...

1. Trust in Jesus first. Do not let medicine become your miracle healer. GOD is above all. GOD is Healer. GOD is Creator (He knows your body better than any doctor, we all know that already).

2. Seek the Lord for guidance, healing. There is ample miracles Christ performed of healing the sick. No where in the Bible does it say healing would stop after Christ left, so why not tap into the power of GOD?

3. Seek His will. GOD may allow certain illness for His purpose. Job is one example. The blind man in the Gospel is another (John 9:3). Paul not getting his "thorn by his side" removed is another (2 Co 12:7-10)

I personally believe that the government would never fess up to admitting holistic healing methods or natural remedies that would hurt the economy. Look at Japanese people. They eat healthy, they adore green tea (big part of their culture) and they are mostly fit and healthy.

Beyond just medicine, I say the most important thing to do from the physical side of things is eat healthy and exercise daily. You can even walk a mile as an exercise. Walking is very healthy and good for you. There is no reason why a person cannot eat healthy and exercise. GOD provides for His children. Would He not provide a way for His daughter or son to eat healthy and honor the body as the temple?

1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

I have taken medicine in the past. I *personally* do not care for it. I'd rather place my faith in Jesus and eat healthy, live healthy. It works for me. I'm 32. Do I think medicine is right or wrong? I do believe it is not wrong to use medicine, but to a certain degree. For example, I do not agree with "medical marijuana".

I am a big supporter of natural remedies. Just think about this folks. Say parents have a healthy lifestyle and diet. Would their children not be born healthy, especially by faith in GOD and prayer? I believe this myself.

I used the expression "lol" to describe the fact that I did not take most of what was posted seriously. It had a good motive, but it seems like it stresses the negatives far too much and ended up as a purpose to strike fear in those interested. Why was the positives ignored? It pretty much said "vaccines are too risky, if you use them, you will more than likely die". It doesn't seem very wise to take that standpoint in my opinion. I'm sorry if it offended anyone, but strictly because it wasn't my intention.

As for me using the word "billions". There isn't any proof of that claim or any type of record anywhere. However it was an observation on these factors:

World census today
World census in history (everyone to have ever existed)
Census of those who used vaccines or medicines for contagious diseases, sicknesses, or illnesses.
Census of all the people the last factor has ever encountered in their entire life.
Statistics on whether or not that sickness would have spread to each and every one of these people.

It would in fact be safe to say billions. Not talking about 50 billion, but possibly two billion. I will even go as low as saying one billion and some change, or hundreds of millions of people. Either way, it's been a number that you and I will never truly know exactly. Proof isn't needed when common sense has already been provided.

I do want to comment on your personal opinions, if that's okay since you commented on mine. I agree with them. It is obvious to me that God does allow certain illnesses as well. These would mostly be illnesses that we haven't found a cure for yet. Also seeing how I have yet to see a miracle case of an iron clad incurable disease be cured.

Also when it comes to staying healthy, which is the second best piece of advice to even come from this thread (first being to consult God), it will solve a LARGE amount of issues with our health.

Chad, I responded to you because you directed text at me. Even after Brother Mike said that it shouldn't be done anymore I responded to you anyway. I only do this out of respect and to make myself clear. No debates or arguing. I would actually like to thank you for the valuable information that you have given everyone. It is appreciated.

 

[lawrenceb]

slides and pot

It's my fault. I mean, I'm the one responsible for subscribing to this thread in the first place.

So, in reading through to this point, I'd like to briefly comment on two themes which are now floating in my mind: 1) "conspiracy theory," and 2) marijuana ("medical" or otherwise).

1) At this late hour before the return of Jesus Christ, one cannot blame another for retorting with the conditioned "it's just a conspiracy theory" denial response. That response has been carefully and exhaustively programmed into the majority of media-saturated folks today by the god of this world. When the trigger of one so conditioned is activated, the conditioned response is to vilify the other, thus stifling any further serious debate and effectively shutting down any further search for the truth. In the CIA, that type of tactic is known as a slide. The following two examples will suffice.

Firstly, the manipulation of history by those in power has been well-covered over. An example of how mind-control and its role in manipulation of events has been covered up by the perpetrators is an article written in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) in the Sept. 11, 1967, Vol. 201, No. 11 issue. The article, which was submitted to the magazine from three CIA doctors (Mark, Sweet, and Ervin), claims that riots are caused by brain disease. While the article is correct in the subpoint that only a small percentage of underprivileged urban dwellers participate in many of the riots, the article's thesis is obviously a slide to prevent people from catching on that the small number of deviants who create riots might be under mind-control or might have some other motivation beyond simply being brain-diseased. Any deception, whether it is an exaggeration or an understatement of the NWO's capabilities, is considered a useful deception for the Illuminati's double-agents to spread.

Secondly, book publishers, such as those who published Sybil, are also happy. Sybil is an occult first name, but the book, movie and therapist give no hint that ritual abuse might be involved in her system’s MPD (DID). The victim of When Rabbit Howls(a book & a movie) shows clear signs of having a full-blown highly structured and programmed MPD (DID) system, but the movie doesn’t even hint of programming or Satanic involvement. The whole movie was a big slide.

2) While various states continue to flip-flop their positions on the legalization of marijuana, the truth is that Federal law will never legalize the use of marijuana. The reason is simple. The physiological effects of marijuana's psychoactive ingredient (THC) is not conducive to the type of mind control these people perpetuate. To restate simply, the global elite, the "rich men of the earth," the bloodlined banking families (13 of them) who control the planet today, do NOT want you to become unproductive for them. And marijuana is indeed a will-breaker; makes one lazy and want to "zone out" (been there, done that myself). Oh, they'll give you your Miller Beer weekends, and pagan holy-day vacations, but don't you DARE become unproductive!

 

[amanda123]

your answer was very helpful chad thx

 

[Jake&AdamsMommy]

I am a vaccine nazi, my kids NEVER miss a shot. God works for us in many ways, including providing us vaccines against deadly diseases. For starters, they can never go to a preschool, public school, university, or work in various professions such as nursing, physician assistant, physician, (etc.) without getting vaccinated. That's the bottom line, not vaccinating your kids puts tremendous blunders in their way toward being a part of society. Moreover, people can discredit pharmaceutical companies all they want, but vaccinations are majorly beneficial, without them we would not have stamped out various diseases including polio and measles.

 

[lawrenceb]

I am a vaccine nazi, my kids NEVER miss a shot. God works for us in many ways, including providing us vaccines against deadly diseases.

1) It's not God who wants acce$$ to your children...

2) Statistically, those "diseases" are not "deadly."

For starters, they can never go to a preschool, public school, university, or work in various professions such as nursing, physician assistant, physician, (etc.) without getting vaccinated.

Of course! Did you expect anything different when you sent your children off to the God-less government indoctrination centers? Caesar (i.e. man's God-less authority) can do absolutely ANYTHING he wants with your children because you have voluntarily given him that authority. ANYTHING that Caesar says is good, God says is NOT good. ...know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

That's the bottom line, not vaccinating your kids puts tremendous blunders in their way toward being a part of society.

Not true. I have three children, all unvaccinated (and "un-papered"). They walk in freedom. And "society" is where the problem is.

Moreover, people can discredit pharmaceutical companies all they want...

"People" don't need to "discredit" them; God already does and numerous times!

...but vaccinations are majorly beneficial, without them we would not have stamped out various diseases including polio and measles.

Who told you this lie? Hint: it was those who are selling the vaccine!

You are obviously not aware, for example, that there is aborted human fetal tissue in those injections. Also, cow, chick, and monkey fetal tissue. Did you know that vacca in Latin means cow? What in the world are they doing? Well, the Lord has shown me precisely what they are doing. But if I told you outright, your conditioning would kick in and you would reject anything else that I posted here.

There is a great amount of info available to the patient truth seeker. God has provided it to his people. Ask the questions and I will share with you the truth of the matter.

 

[Jake&AdamsMommy]

1) It's not God who wants acce$$ to your children...

2) Statistically, those "diseases" are not "deadly."



Of course! Did you expect anything different when you sent your children off to the God-less government indoctrination centers? Caesar (i.e. man's God-less authority) can do absolutely ANYTHING he wants with your children because you have voluntarily given him that authority. ANYTHING that Caesar says is good, God says is NOT good. ...know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.



Not true. I have three children, all unvaccinated (and "un-papered"). They walk in freedom. And "society" is where the problem is.



"People" don't need to "discredit" them; God already does and numerous times!



Who told you this lie? Hint: it was those who are selling the vaccine!

You are obviously not aware, for example, that there is aborted human fetal tissue in those injections. Also, cow, chick, and monkey fetal tissue. Did you know that vacca in Latin means cow? What in the world are they doing? Well, the Lord has shown me precisely what they are doing. But if I told you outright, your conditioning would kick in and you would reject anything else that I posted here.

There is a great amount of info available to the patient truth seeker. God has provided it to his people. Ask the questions and I will share with you the truth of the matter.

I wouldn't assume things about how well versed people are in subjects without knowing a little about them first. My second major in college was Biology and I just successfully completed the Praxis II examination for Biology to teach science. I am not in disagreement with you about how various ingredients should be researched and reconstituted but the underlying principle of exposing the immune system to antigens by which it develops antibodies which are ready to attack the pathogenic antigen should the person be exposed to said antigen again saves lives. Like all things, vaccines come with risks, but the risks outweigh the benefits for the VAST majority of people. So, I will continue to update my Tetanus shots, my boys will get their boosters, and when the Pertussis vaccine that I busted down the doors to the Peds office to get when my first child was born will be updated when it wears off as well.

There is really no point in arguing with me on this because this is as firm in my personal ideology only falling behind my entrenched pro-life and child abuse prevention ideals.

 

[lawrenceb]

I wouldn't assume things about how well versed people are in subjects without knowing a little about them first.

I've been a professional educator for over 30 years while involved with the medical profession. Now that I've paraded some of my abominations before you, none of it is relevant because:

God tells us:

that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. - Luke 16:15

and

the Lord hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes - Luke 10:21

and

God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble - I Peter 5:5

and

knowledge puffeth up - 1 Cr. 8:1

There is really no point in arguing with me on this

God also says:

because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie - 2 Th 2:11

and

God visits the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation - Exodus 20:5

 

[Jake&AdamsMommy]

I've been a professional educator for over 30 years while involved with the medical profession. Now that I've paraded some of my abominations before you, none of it is relevant because:

God tells us:

that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. - Luke 16:15

and

the Lord hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes - Luke 10:21

and

God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble - I Peter 5:5

and

knowledge puffeth up - 1 Cr. 8:1



God also says:

because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie - 2 Th 2:11

and

God visits the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation - Exodus 20:5

I wasn't implying that you didn't know about the topic, but only stating that I don't hold my beliefs about vaccines because that's what the drug companies are telling me. My position is rooted in immunology.

 

[lawrenceb]

I wasn't implying that you didn't know about the topic...

No worries. My knowledge of the truth behind the vaccination holy grail was gained in spite of my Caesarian medical education and only because of the Lord's intervention in my life.

only stating that I don't hold my beliefs about vaccines because that's what the drug companies are telling me. My position is rooted in immunology.

"Drug companies" vs. "immunology"? same authority (Caesar), same diff.

Before destruction the heart of man is haughty...He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him. Proverbs 18:12, 13

 

[Michelle71]

I am a vaccine nazi, my kids NEVER miss a shot. God works for us in many ways, including providing us vaccines against deadly diseases. For starters, they can never go to a preschool, public school, university, or work in various professions such as nursing, physician assistant, physician, (etc.) without getting vaccinated. That's the bottom line, not vaccinating your kids puts tremendous blunders in their way toward being a part of society. Moreover, people can discredit pharmaceutical companies all they want, but vaccinations are majorly beneficial, without them we would not have stamped out various diseases including polio and measles.

Not quite true. All you need is to fill out a personal exemption. Been doing that for years and years. However, not sure if that is the same in every state?

Have several friends who's children got very sick after vaccinations. I know this can be played both ways, but there are more problems and risks with immunizing the kids than not.

But, there can't be a hands off approach to their health. Our household tends to use the doctors for diagnosis, and then use natural remedies for treatment. If those do not work, or the condition gets worse, then we will use the drugs the doctors like to push. The thing is, is there are viruses and bacteria now that are resistant, or not affected at all by these drugs. Funny how they are now coming out admitting the natural antibiotics work against even those super bugs.

Another conspiracy theory: The food we eat, the water we drink, and the stuff sprayed in the air that we breathe gives the environment for the Big Pharmaceutical companies that are in bed with the FDA to make a hell of alot of cash on those illnesses they themselves create. Don't think I'd trust them to not be poisoning the kids with their potions of vaccines.

Oh, yes, then there is the flu vaccine that is pushed every year. Funny how those who get those in my corner of the world end up with the flu just as much as I do.

 

[Acebopata]

Keep in mind that one of the ways a vaccine is created is to create a weakened state or dead version of the virus and inject it into a human. By definition, a virus is a small little anomily that injects it's DNA or RNA into a cell to reporduce, but performs little to no forms of what science calls life. Therefore, this method presents two distinct questions:

1. How do you even weaken a virus, if that's even possible?

2. What happened if parts of the virus injection re-energizer and un-weaken or fail to weaken in the first place?