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Is God Racist?

Is GOD racist?

  • No

    Votes: 18 85.7%
  • Yes

    Votes: 2 9.5%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 1 4.8%
  • i don't care

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    21
Greetings folks,

have you considered what has been presented here in the light of marriage?

A woman who is married to a man, for example.
A two way relationship that has one thing in common.... no outsiders, whatsoever!
Same as a man who is married to a woman.... no outsiders, whatsoever....

in fact, it should be with utter disdain that any shadow of a fraction of a thought of either man or woman 'joining' with another man or woman and all other men and women are and should be seen as potential enemies, as not acceptable, as despised compared to the love that the married man and woman have for each other.
Is this correct?

So then, is it so strange that in the Scripture we see the same 'relationship' both between the LORD and the children of Israel and, between the children of Israel and all other people/nations (which is including nationalities)?


Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave Himself for it; that He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, that He might present it to Himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: for we are members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
Ephesians 5:25-32


Bless you ....><>
 
God is a segragationist. Not exactly a racist, but by being the creator he understands that what he created needs to be segragated. Nothing went completely as planned on God's creation concerning humans, as we know: Eve and the serpent, Cain and Abel, the Hebrews trying to stone Moses, the Jews crucifying Jesus. God compensates for all the mistakes.

Jesus went through the segragation of Israel because the Jews betrayed him. This is an exception because the Jews had failed creation, so as we all know Jesus came out to tell the Gentiles. He really had no choice, because the Jews who he had been sent to deliver the message to would not listen to him and he had to deliver this message.

Racism was alive and well in Israel at the time of Jesus however, as we can read in the Gospel. Jesus transcends this though, as he is the King of exceptions. He came to heal the law, and the law had already been broken.

John 4:9
9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.

10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
 
There is only one race but it appears that there are lots of teams competing..... if and when folk understand that competition disqualifies, and helping others gives you the victory, the teams would work together as one and the babel would stop.
The Babel isn't going to stop, it is a curse from God to mankind. The Babel won't stop until this whole world is destroyed in flames. Everyone is going to die, and be resurrected into new bodies. The world has already been decided to be destructed.

Christ replies he has not come to bring peace on the earth, but a sword. Luke 12:49-53

Not Peace, But Division

(Matthew 10:34-36)



49I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled? 50But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! 51Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 52For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
 
By preaching the words of false peace broadly, it is not coming from Christ but the AntiChrist. This is what the form of the AntiChrist is said to do in the book of Daniel. He preaches a false peace, but in his heart he really holds no love for women or children. It is just for personal gain and that is like the WOKE movement in modern times.

Daniel 8:25
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

What I think is happening in this thread I think can be described in 1 John 1:10.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


Him being Jesus or God. If you being the most unracist person says he is not just a little bit racist, then you are making God into a racist. The whole concept of the question is wrong and does not properly fit into the word of God. It is a modern invention and according to the modern invention everyone is systematically racist.
 
Is God racist?

This might seem like an odd question but...

There are professing 'Christians' in the world who are racist, either actively or sub-consciously.

Is there justification for racism for Christians?

Racism is often seen as something exclusive to Caucasian peoples but history is full of examples of racism from all people groups.

Some people might 'justify' racism from what they read in the Bible but what does the Lord Jesus Christ have to say about racism, if anything?
Is our God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ racist and how should those who love Him be towards all others?

Please share your thoughts. Please also be respectful and understand that this subject, although important, is potentially very volatile, so please post in ways that will not stir hurt or insult against anyone.


Bless you ....><>
Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

Sometimes a bad event can prejudice a person against another skin color or ethnic group due to a wrong that was committed against said person, like a mugging or an assault, but if the prejudicial person is honest with himself or herself, people of his or her own skin color and ethnic group have done them wrong too, if not the very same thing. So it boils down to going to Jesus for help to forgive others for they know not what they do.

1 Peter 2:19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Luke 23:33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.
34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
35 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.

We need His help to do this because the devil has a way of rehashing the past for why we need to go to Jesus again to forgive or else the Father may not forgive us.

Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

One day the Bridegroom will come for the abiding bride of Christ to be raptured and taken to the Marriage Supper in Heaven and those harboring grudges are at risk of being left behind because none of that will be at that Supper table. Since the Lord has forgiven the enemy for him or her to be there, then this is why we need His help not to harbor grudges or hatred now by forgiving our enemies now.

James 5:8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.
9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.

10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

Sometimes He helps me to forgive others when they are not asking for forgiveness by reflecting on how long He had to bear with me when I was sinning by trying to keep a commitment to follow Him instead of following Him by faith and not asking for forgiveness. I thank Him for finally setting me free to rest in His New Covenant to me that He will help me to follow Him as the Good Shepherd & Friend that He is and He does for why I give the Father thanks in Jesus's name.
 
Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Colossians 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

Sometimes a bad event can prejudice a person against another skin color or ethnic group due to a wrong that was committed against said person, like a mugging or an assault, but if the prejudicial person is honest with himself or herself, people of his or her own skin color and ethnic group have done them wrong too, if not the very same thing. So it boils down to going to Jesus for help to forgive others for they know not what they do.

1 Peter 2:19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Luke 23:33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.
34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
35 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.

We need His help to do this because the devil has a way of rehashing the past for why we need to go to Jesus again to forgive or else the Father may not forgive us.

Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

One day the Bridegroom will come for the abiding bride of Christ to be raptured and taken to the Marriage Supper in Heaven and those harboring grudges are at risk of being left behind because none of that will be at that Supper table. Since the Lord has forgiven the enemy for him or her to be there, then this is why we need His help not to harbor grudges or hatred now by forgiving our enemies now.

James 5:8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.
9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.

10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

Sometimes He helps me to forgive others when they are not asking for forgiveness by reflecting on how long He had to bear with me when I was sinning by trying to keep a commitment to follow Him instead of following Him by faith and not asking for forgiveness. I thank Him for finally setting me free to rest in His New Covenant to me that He will help me to follow Him as the Good Shepherd & Friend that He is and He does for why I give the Father thanks in Jesus's name.
Paul was born in Tarsus and probably spoke Greek since his childhood. He was most likely born a Roman citizen for being born in Tarsus. It's not surprising he is talking to the Greeks this way. He is trying to convert them, and this is what he has to do.




Paul often contradicts Jesus Christ in the Gospels. Much of what Paul says directly contradicts Matthew 5:17-20. Neither earth or heaven has passed away yet, so the law still remains.

Jesus Fulfills the Law

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
 
Dear Brother, @Br. Bear
Open up a can of worms have ye!!!!!!

What you will find is folks will find Racism wherever they want to dear Brother. Real or imagined.

For there is no partiality with God. Romans 2:11 NKJV

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28 NKJV

but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. James 2:9 NKJV

Then Peter opened [his] mouth and said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. Acts 10:34 NKJV

And they sang a new song, saying: "You are worthy to take the scroll, And to open its seals; For You were slain, And have redeemed us to God by Your blood Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, Revelation 5:9 NKJV

These are but a few of the NT verses reflecting this truth. The problem with what many bring up for instance the Canaanite woman is failing to understand what had to happen first in respect to Jesus' earthly ministry. His ministry was not meant for all people, but for Israel first. Even Paul reflects this continuously throughout his writings/travels. Though Jesus interacted with other individuals from other Nations. Why? Because Israel had to be given the opportunity to accept or reject Him. Try and do a search on this and you'll find almost all treat it from the perspective of why the Jews rejected Jesus as the Messiah and don't see it from God's in why it was necessary for them (Israel) at that time to reject Him. Not as individuals, but as a Nation. Though I believe that one day that will change!

Sadly, even amongst believers, Racism is almost an unspoken sin. I've been to black churches, white churches, Spanish churches and find the division of the Body of Christ telling. Is it racism or just that people in general gravitate towards those that culturally/linguistically they have more in common with? Instead of Christ Jesus being at the top of the list, and the following of His Word as the most important. It appears they in many respects fall secondary to what they feel comfortable with. For me, let them proclaim the name of Jesus and His Word, and I'm there brother!!! Though I may get strange looks from folks, and it has happened! :) Why do I care? For don't we all Love the Lord who is no respecter of persons??? Let us Praise & Worship Him together!!!!

Anyway, blessings on the thread! May it be fruitful, and joyful to the Glory of God!!!

With the Love of Christ Jesus my dear brother in Christ!
YBIC
Nick
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Paul was born in Tarsus and probably spoke Greek since his childhood. He was most likely born a Roman citizen for being born in Tarsus. It's not surprising he is talking to the Greeks this way. He is trying to convert them, and this is what he has to do.
It is true Paul was a Roman citizen, which he did not avail much during the ministry except maybe after the fact... ( one would think Paul could have led with that to prevent unnecessary afflictions but he did not. )

Acts 16:36 And the keeper of the prison told this saying to Paul, The magistrates have sent to let you go: now therefore depart, and go in peace.
37 But Paul said unto them, They have beaten us openly uncondemned, being Romans, and have cast us into prison; and now do they thrust us out privily? nay verily; but let them come themselves and fetch us out.
38 And the serjeants told these words unto the magistrates: and they feared, when they heard that they were Romans.

,....but he was a full fledged Pharisee.

Philippians 3:1Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, .....
Paul often contradicts Jesus Christ in the Gospels. Much of what Paul says directly contradicts Matthew 5:17-20. Neither earth or heaven has passed away yet, so the law still remains.

Jesus Fulfills the Law

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Paul did not contradict Jesus Christ at all.

Consider the very words of Jesus you had quoted and discern the meaning of verse 19. How can anyone break the least of His commandments and teaches others so, be called the least and yet still in His kingdom of Heaven? For anyone to have his or her righteousness to exceed the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees, how can they even break the least of His commandments and still be in the kingdom of heaven but as the least?

It is because they have His righteousness which is apart from the law, the righteousness of faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus fulfilled the law in such a way that as Jews under the Old Covenant in trying to keep the law to obtain salvation and to live as His, Jesus saved all those that believe in Him, thus having paid the ransom for sin which is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

So when you read Matthew 5:17-20, think of how Jesus words would apply there in that no matter how much the spirit is willing, the flesh is weak, therefore what is impossible with man, is possible with God by believing in Jesus Christ.

No Christian is under the law to keep the sabbath day holy because they are saved. The law of the sabbath has not been done away with, but Jesus has saved them and dwells in them as their bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit for why they are guiltless for profaning the sabbath day because Jesus has saved them.

Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.


1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Since Jesus gave 2 examples of Old Testament saints profaning the sabbath but were guiltless because they were in the Temple, so are His disciples and all saved believers are guiltless for profaning the sabbath because He has saved them & is with them always for why His righteousness in us has exceeded the righteousness of the scribes & the Pharisees, and that righteousness of God is of faith in Jesus Christ of what the law failed to do for us, God has done it. Period.

Anyway, saved believers not found abiding in Him as His disciples being a bigot will be left behind but they are still saved which is why they shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven for breaking the least of his commandments and teaching others so thus being "damned" as vessels unto dishonor in His House BUT they are still in His House testifying to the power of God in salvation for all those that believe in Him, even in His name..

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Better believe Jesus will finish His work in them that are disqualified to attend the Marriage Supper in Heaven as they will be scourged till they become partakers of His holiness by being a bigot no more.
 
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It is true Paul was a Roman citizen, which he did not avail much during the ministry except maybe after the fact... ( one would think Paul could have led with that to prevent unnecessary afflictions but he did not. )

Acts 16:36 And the keeper of the prison told this saying to Paul, The magistrates have sent to let you go: now therefore depart, and go in peace.
37 But Paul said unto them, They have beaten us openly uncondemned, being Romans, and have cast us into prison; and now do they thrust us out privily? nay verily; but let them come themselves and fetch us out.
38 And the serjeants told these words unto the magistrates: and they feared, when they heard that they were Romans.

,....but he was a full fledged Pharisee.

Philippians 3:1Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not grievous, but for you it is safe.
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.
3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, .....

Paul did not contradict Jesus Christ at all.

Consider the very words of Jesus you had quoted and discern the meaning of verse 19. How can anyone break the least of His commandments and teaches others so, be called the least and yet still in His kingdom of Heaven? For anyone to have his or her righteousness to exceed the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees, how can they even break the least of His commandments and still be in the kingdom of heaven but as the least?

It is because they have His righteousness which is apart from the law, the righteousness of faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus fulfilled the law in such a way that as Jews under the Old Covenant in trying to keep the law to obtain salvation and to live as His, Jesus saved all those that believe in Him, thus having paid the ransom for sin which is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

So when you read Matthew 5:17-20, think of how Jesus words would apply there in that no matter how much the spirit is willing, the flesh is weak, therefore what is impossible with man, is possible with God by believing in Jesus Christ.

No Christian is under the law to keep the sabbath day holy because they are saved. The law of the sabbath has not been done away with, but Jesus has saved them and dwells in them as their bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit for why they are guiltless for profaning the sabbath day because Jesus has saved them.

Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.


1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Since Jesus gave 2 examples of Old Testament saints profaning the sabbath but were guiltless because they were in the Temple, so are His disciples and all saved believers are guiltless for profaning the sabbath because He has saved them & is with them always for why His righteousness in us has exceeded the righteousness of the scribes & the Pharisees, and that righteousness of God is of faith in Jesus Christ of what the law failed to do for us, God has done it. Period.

Anyway, saved believers not found abiding in Him as His disciples being a bigot will be left behind but they are still saved which is why they shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven for breaking the least of his commandments and teaching others so thus being "damned" as vessels unto dishonor in His House BUT they are still in His House testifying to the power of God in salvation for all those that believe in Him, even in His name..

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

These verses about Jesus on the Sabbath are not what they first appear to be, and some extra knowledge of the situation is required. Let me give you an example from Luke 14:1-6

Jesus Heals a Man with Dropsy

1And it came to pass, as he went into the house of one of the chief Pharisees to eat bread on the sabbath day, that they watched him. 2And, behold, there was a certain man before him which had the dropsy. 3And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day? 4And they held their peace. And he took him, and healed him, and let him go; 5And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day? 6And they could not answer him again to these things.

This is a deep legal argument that is heated for the time of Jesus in Israel and is not fully contained in the Bible. Nowhere in the 5 Books of Moses will you find a law that forbids picking corn or pulling your ox or ass out of the pit on the Sabbath day. Where you can find these extra laws are in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

The Jews of that time had been dabbling with the law and making up more laws about the previous laws of Moses. They had made up their own set of laws that included literally that you could not save any of your cattle or your son that fell in a pit on the Sabbath and new rules like you could not open any container on the Sabbath or pick corn etc. Jesus was literally quoting from texts in the Dead Sea Scrolls that the Jews were following during that era.

According to the law of Moses that the Jews were adding unto the law was against the law. Deuteronomy 4:2 states that the law shall not be added to or taken away from, and this is the same command Jesus gives us in Revelation 22:18-19. I find it amazing how this bridge from Moses to Revelation is.

The Jews were being horrendous and corrupt with the law. They were adding complex rules onto it to make it impossibly heavier than it had to be. Jesus was never breaking the law of Moses and that is a big part of these heated arguments he had with the Jews about the law. Since the Dead Sea Scrolls were revealed, we now know what these discussions actually were about because they are not even in the Old Testament to reference.
 
@Br. Bear
How can someone be unconsciously racist? They can't.
Someone either is or isn't.
Preferences in a loving and sexual relation which include some and exclude others isn't racist or any other "-ist".
There is only one human race so the idea and perpetuation of "racism" is our fault. Most notably by the Left and George Soros. If you really want to divide a group of people do it from the inside and based on skin color and/or culture. It sells. Look at Burn Loot Murder.
Blacks in high numbers are actively racist against whites especially most of them in that illegal administration. Pedo Joe has used black slurs for years and yet no punishment for him.
When the groups split and went their way their skin changed for many reasons. Those who settled in the N areas were lighter. Since those areas got less sun (among other things) then lighter skin was more beneficial for absorption of Vitamin D.
Those living in much warmer areas with more sunlight overall would need protection from it or suffer problems hence Africans and other brown/black peoples.
Eskimos developed a unique eye pattern just like the Asians. I'm not going to ramble on about biology but the invention of "racism" was a human thing not one from God.
 
@Br. Bear
How can someone be unconsciously racist? They can't.
Someone either is or isn't.
Preferences in a loving and sexual relation which include some and exclude others isn't racist or any other "-ist".
There is only one human race so the idea and perpetuation of "racism" is our fault. Most notably by the Left and George Soros. If you really want to divide a group of people do it from the inside and based on skin color and/or culture. It sells. Look at Burn Loot Murder.
Blacks in high numbers are actively racist against whites especially most of them in that illegal administration. Pedo Joe has used black slurs for years and yet no punishment for him.
When the groups split and went their way their skin changed for many reasons. Those who settled in the N areas were lighter. Since those areas got less sun (among other things) then lighter skin was more beneficial for absorption of Vitamin D.
Those living in much warmer areas with more sunlight overall would need protection from it or suffer problems hence Africans and other brown/black peoples.
Eskimos developed a unique eye pattern just like the Asians. I'm not going to ramble on about biology but the invention of "racism" was a human thing not one from God.
I came to a revelation some years ago, that you may or may not be able to accept. It was while I was reading the book of Enoch. In that book it eludes that the 3 sons of Noah are the 3 root races of planet earth. Ironically in that book Noah is also described as being radiant like the sun unlike other men, that may be a metaphor for the solar influence on race. In my experience after I learned it it was a heal to racism, and did not make it worse.

Through Genesis and Noah's 3 sons and their sons we may be able to trace all races on planet earth. It's pretty interesting.

In the translation of the names of Noah's 3 sons some knowledge is hidden. The names are supposedly translated as Japheth (to enlarge his borders), Shem (blessed with a name), and Ham (charred or black). In Genesis Noah became furious with Ham for exposing him naked and cursed his son Canaan. Genesis 9:25

Also the Ethiopian church has more books refused from the canon. One which states that 3 three sons of Noah also were a mix of Seth, Abel's daughter and Cain's daughter. Canaan, Ham's son is named Canaan after Cain. I don't know if you can accept this or not, but it answers a lot of early questions.


Revelation 20:8 says Gog and Magog are the last living race on earth before it is completely destroyed. These can be traced back to Japheth in Genesis 10:2. Also in Genesis 10:5 KJV it looks like it is saying the Gentiles are Japheth only. Which would make sense how Paul calls the Greeks the Gentiles.

Shem or Shemites is also the same as the Semites, which is not only the Hebrews but the whole root of Shem.
 
How can someone be unconsciously racist? They can't.
Someone either is or isn't.
Dear Brother,
Surely, they are racist or not, but can a person not be aware of their racist leanings? My answer has to be yes. However, it's less and less considering our day & age as far as the availability of data just about everywhere. I state this because I saw it happen with a young man while I was in the military. Now how prevalent it maybe, I can't say, but it was there that day in that young man.

In the early 70's while I was in the Air Force, there was a class that became mandatory for everyone to take. It was called Social Actions Class, which went under a few different name changes as the years passed. Couldn't say what it's called now, but I'm sure it's something woke! :rolleyes:

Anyway, the instructor in the class was discussing the subject of being racist, and one of the examples given were oddly enough Jews, and how they've been hated for nothing more than being Jewish. The discussion went around the room, as one person talked, another would chime in their opinions. Actually, very enlightening, because of the variety of people and places, cities, country folk, black (1), Hispanic (3), and variety of white ethnicities', Irish, Italians, etc., and some good old boys from the South, who could have been any of the ones mentioned or not (16). :)

Well, this one NCO started talking about characteristics that they disliked in people, and when he started getting challenged by others and a lot of back and forth, all of a sudden, he just blurted out "I hate Jews!". The room got real quiet, but the most amazing thing was this young man himself. The look on his face was one to behold. It was a look of shock, which then changed to one of amazement!!! Shock I guess because he couldn't believe he had blurted that out, and then amazement because you could see a look of understanding coming across his face that said, "I really hate Jews and have no good reason for hating them!" If you can read faces, and body language, it would have left you no doubt that though he might have been aware that he didn't like Jews, but it never occurred to him that that belief he had could have been racist. At least, if he had even been aware of the word existing prior to that class.

So, can a person be a racist, and not be aware of that racism within themselves? I believe that can be the case. This young Sgt. was from Alabama if I remember right, and probably a small town, where everyone knew each other, and/or on an isolated piece of land that allowed for those types of condemnations of people/places to go unchallenged, and just become acceptable as being "just so" part of the norm.

From the look on the young man's face, I could tell this awareness was a change/understanding that he'd never had before, and one I'm sure that brought changes to his own life, and those around him. Sometimes you actually have to verbalize that "something" before it becomes real. I kind of correlate it to when a person just realizes they're a sinner, and that Jesus died on the Cross for them! That conviction drives many a person to their knees in sorrow, and shame.

I do agree with the rest of what you've written in your post. The left doesn't leave any stone unturned to create division and turn one people against another. It's especially evident on how the blacks turn on other blacks who speak of their conservativism!!! Such hateful vitriol that is directed to them is really messed up, and how the majority of blacks don't call them out on it, also blows my mind! :( It just won't be blacks either. Watch, they'll be trying to do this with Hispanics soon enough, since they're losing that voting block big time. Mark my words, you'll be seeing it soon. :(

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
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These verses about Jesus on the Sabbath are not what they first appear to be, and some extra knowledge of the situation is required. Let me give you an example from Luke 14:1-6

This is a deep legal argument that is heated for the time of Jesus in Israel and is not fully contained in the Bible. Nowhere in the 5 Books of Moses will you find a law that forbids picking corn or pulling your ox or ass out of the pit on the Sabbath day. Where you can find these extra laws are in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

The Jews of that time had been dabbling with the law and making up more laws about the previous laws of Moses. They had made up their own set of laws that included literally that you could not save any of your cattle or your son that fell in a pit on the Sabbath and new rules like you could not open any container on the Sabbath or pick corn etc. Jesus was literally quoting from texts in the Dead Sea Scrolls that the Jews were following during that era.

According to the law of Moses that the Jews were adding unto the law was against the law. Deuteronomy 4:2 states that the law shall not be added to or taken away from, and this is the same command Jesus gives us in Revelation 22:18-19. I find it amazing how this bridge from Moses to Revelation is.

The Jews were being horrendous and corrupt with the law. They were adding complex rules onto it to make it impossibly heavier than it had to be. Jesus was never breaking the law of Moses and that is a big part of these heated arguments he had with the Jews about the law. Since the Dead Sea Scrolls were revealed, we now know what these discussions actually were about because they are not even in the Old Testament to reference.
Remember the freed Hebrew slaves in the wilderness when God fed them manna from heaven?

Exodus 16:22 And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
23 And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the Lord: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.
25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the Lord: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
28 And the Lord said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
29 See, for that the Lord hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.


This is where the Pharisees believed it was against the sabbath law to gather food to eat on the sabbath. They could have made a big deal about NOT thinking ahead in having extra food before the sabbath day, but Jesus went to their defense by giving 2 true stories about how the saints had actually profaned the sabbath but were guiltless, not because they were in need, but because there were in the temple. THEN Jesus said One GREATER than the Temple was here for how He was defending His disciples and that was because Jesus was with them.

Do reconsider with Jesus Christ, how you are reading & applying Matthew 12:1-8. Yes, Jesus was showing mercy for those in need, but that was not why His disciples were guiltless. It was because He was with them, better than being in the Temple.

Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
 
@Br. Bear
How can someone be unconsciously racist? They can't.
Someone either is or isn't.
If someone never seen a black person before, insecurities may arise.

The native American Indians had never seen a white person before.

Basically the fear of the unknown can even result when meeting a stranger of the same skin color.

Yet not every situation results in bigotry, but one could say there may have been potential for bigotry just borne out of fear with the devil behind it unless by God's grace & help, He allowed the sun shine on the evil as well as the good that fear & bigotry did not arise, even on those that did not believe in Him.... yet.
 
Remember the freed Hebrew slaves in the wilderness when God fed them manna from heaven?

Exodus 16:22 And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
23 And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the Lord: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.
25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the Lord: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
28 And the Lord said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
29 See, for that the Lord hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.


This is where the Pharisees believed it was against the sabbath law to gather food to eat on the sabbath. They could have made a big deal about NOT thinking ahead in having extra food before the sabbath day, but Jesus went to their defense by giving 2 true stories about how the saints had actually profaned the sabbath but were guiltless, not because they were in need, but because there were in the temple. THEN Jesus said One GREATER than the Temple was here for how He was defending His disciples and that was because Jesus was with them.

Do reconsider with Jesus Christ, how you are reading & applying Matthew 12:1-8. Yes, Jesus was showing mercy for those in need, but that was not why His disciples were guiltless. It was because He was with them, better than being in the Temple.

Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Well, you can look at the Dead Sea Scrolls yourself. It is really long though. Here is the part I was talking about with Luke 14:1-6. It says that if your beast falls into a pit on the Sabbath you cannot help it. If a man falls into water or fire on the Sabbath do not give them a ladder or rope to help them.

Dead Sea Scrolls PDF

No man shall assist a beast to give birth on the
Sabbath day. And if it should fall into a cistern or pit, he shall not lift it
out on the Sabbath.
No man shall spend the Sabbath in a place near to Gentiles on the
Sabbath.
No man shall profane the Sabbath for the sake of riches or gain on
the Sabbath day. But should any man fall into water or (fire), let him not
be pulled out with the aid of a ladder or rope or (some such) utensil.

Here are all the rules they made up for that section on the Sabbath alone. Like an extensive Midrash. About at page 176

Concerning the Sabbath to observe it according to its law
No man shall work on the sixth day from the moment when the sun’s
orb is distant by its own fulness from the gate (wherein it sinks); for this
is what He said, Observe the Sabbath day to keep it holy (Deut. v,
12). No man shall speak any vain or idle word on the Sabbath day. He
shall make no loan to his companion. He shall make no decision in matters of money and gain. He shall say nothing about work or labour
to be done on the morrow.
No man shall walk in the field
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to do business on the Sabbath. He
shall not walk more than one thousand cubits beyond his town.
No man shall eat on the Sabbath day except that which is already
prepared. He shall eat nothing lying in the fields. He shall not drink
except in the camp. XI If he is on a journey and goes down to bathe, he
shall drink where he stands, but he shall not draw water into a vessel.
He shall send out no stranger on his business on the Sabbath day. No man shall wear soiled garments, or garments brought to the store,
unless they have been washed with water or rubbed with incense. No man shall willingly mingle (with others) on the Sabbath.
No man shall walk more than two thousand cubits after a beast to
pasture it outside his town. He shall not raise his hand to strike it with
his fist. If it is stubborn he shall not take it out of his house.
No man shall take anything out of the house or bring anything in. And
if he is in a booth, let him neither take anything out nor bring anything
in. He shall not open a sealed vessel on the Sabbath.No man shall carry perfumes on himself whilst going and coming on
the Sabbath. He shall lift neither stone nor dust in his dwelling.
No man minding a child shall carry it whilst going and coming on the
Sabbath.
No man shall chide
89 his manservant or maidservant or labourer on
the Sabbath.90 No man shall assist a beast to give birth on the
Sabbath day. And if it should fall into a cistern or pit, he shall not lift it
out on the Sabbath.
No man shall spend the Sabbath in a place near to Gentiles on the
Sabbath.
No man shall profane the Sabbath for the sake of riches or gain on
the Sabbath day. But should any man fall into water or (fire), let him not
be pulled out with the aid of a ladder or rope or (some such) utensil.
No man on the Sabbath shall offer anything on the altar except the
Sabbath burnt-offering; for it is written thus: Except your Sabbath
offerings (Lev. xxiii, 38).
No man shall send to the altar any burnt-offering, or cereal offering,
or incense, or wood, by the hand of one smitten with any uncleanness,
permitting him thus to defile the altar. For it is written, The sacrifice of
the wicked is an abomination, but the prayer of the just is as an
agreeable offering (Prov. xv, 8).
No man entering the house of worship shall come unclean and in
need of washing. And at the sounding of the trumpets for assembly, he
shall go there before or after (the meeting), and shall not cause the
whole service to stop, XII for it is a holy service.
No man shall lie with a woman in the city of the Sanctuary, to defile
the city of the Sanctuary with their uncleanness.
Every man who preaches apostasy under the dominion of the spirits
of Belial shall be judged according to the law relating to those
possessed by a ghost or familiar spirit (Lev. xx, 27). But no man who
strays so as to profane the Sabbath and the feasts shall be put to
death; it shall fall to men to keep him in custody. And if he is healed of
his error, they shall keep him in custody for seven years and he shall
afterwards approach the Assembly.
No man shall stretch out his hand to shed the blood of a Gentile for
the sake of riches and gain. Nor shall he carry off anything of theirs,lest they blaspheme, unless so advised by the company of Israel.
No man shall sell clean beasts or birds to the Gentiles lest they offer
them in sacrifice. He shall refuse, with all his power, to sell them
anything from his granary or wine-press, and he shall not sell them his manservant or maidservant inasmuch as they have been brought by
him into the Covenant of Abraham.
No man shall defile himself by eating any live creature or creeping
thing, from the larvae of bees to all creatures which creep in water.
They shall eat no fish unless split alive and their blood poured out. And
as for locusts, according to their various kinds they shall plunge them
alive into fire or water, for this is what their nature requires.
All wood and stones and dust defiled by the impurity of a man shall
be reckoned like men having defilement of oil on them; whoever
touches them shall be defiled by their defilement.And every nail or peg
in the wall of a house in which a dead man lies shall become unclean
as any working tool becomes unclean (Lev. xi, 32).
The Rule for the assembly of the towns of Israel shall be according to
these precepts that they may distinguish between unclean and clean,
and discriminate between the holy and the profane.
And these are the precepts in which the Master shall walk in his
commerce with all the living in accordance with the statute proper to
every age. And in accordance with this statute shall the seed of Israel
walk and they shall not be cursed.
 
Well, you can look at the Dead Sea Scrolls yourself. It is really long though. Here is the part I was talking about with Luke 14:1-6. It says that if your beast falls into a pit on the Sabbath you cannot help it. If a man falls into water or fire on the Sabbath do not give them a ladder or rope to help them.

Dead Sea Scrolls PDF



Here are all the rules they made up for that section on the Sabbath alone. Like an extensive Midrash. About at page 176
It is really the matter in how you are applying the Dead Sea Scrolls for and why it is unnecessary when you have His words in Matthew 12:1-8 for the message He was giving on how His disciples were guiltless because He was with them..

Do reconsider with Jesus Christ, how you are reading & applying Matthew 12:1-8. Yes, Jesus was showing mercy for those in need, but that was not why His disciples were guiltless. It was because He was with them, which is way better than being in the Temple.

Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
 
It is really the matter in how you are applying the Dead Sea Scrolls for and why it is unnecessary when you have His words in Matthew 12:1-8 for the message He was giving on how His disciples were guiltless because He was with them..

Do reconsider with Jesus Christ, how you are reading & applying Matthew 12:1-8. Yes, Jesus was showing mercy for those in need, but that was not why His disciples were guiltless. It was because He was with them, which is way better than being in the Temple.

Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Once again this is a pseudolaw the Jews made up and they put it in the Dead Sea Scrolls. "He shall eat nothing lying in the fields." It's in that long list I posted just above in the previous post.

I'm pretty sure that nowhere in the Torah does it explicitly ban the poor and hungry from eating the corners of the field on the Sabbath. As long as they didn't take any corn back with them they should have been fine according to the Laws of Moses.
 
Once again this is a pseudolaw the Jews made up and they put it in the Dead Sea Scrolls. "He shall eat nothing lying in the fields." It's in that long list I posted just above in the previous post.

I'm pretty sure that nowhere in the Torah does it explicitly ban the poor and hungry from eating the corners of the field on the Sabbath. As long as they didn't take any corn back with them they should have been fine according to the Laws of Moses.
I understand your point of reference to Matthew 12:1-8 regarding God showing mercy but that was not why the saints in the O.T. nor His disciples were guiltless by.

The saints in the O.T. were guiltless for profaning the sabbath because they were in the temple.

Due note that Jesus DID say that those O.T. saints DID profaned the sabbath BUT they were guiltless because they were in the Temple when they did it.

So regardless of any outside source to the contrary, Jesus did say that those O.T. saints DID profane the sabbath but were guiltless for being in the Temple.

Then Jesus said One greater than the Temple was here for how He defended His disciples for profaning the sabbath because He was with them.

Therefore His disciples were profaning the sabbath as the O.T. saints were doing but whereas the O.T. saints were guiltless because they were in the Temple, so was His disciples guiltless because Jesus Christ was with them as One greater than the Temple.

Otherwise, Jesus would deny that His disciples were profaning the sabbath and prove it by the scripture rather than refer to God showing mercy to the O.T. saints because they were in the Temple for how they were guiltless for profaning the sabbath as Jesus is showing mercy to His disciples because He was with them for how His disciples were guiltless for profaning the sabbath.
 
If someone never seen a black person before, insecurities may arise.

The native American Indians had never seen a white person before.

Basically the fear of the unknown can even result when meeting a stranger of the same skin color.

Yet not every situation results in bigotry, but one could say there may have been potential for bigotry just borne out of fear with the devil behind it unless by God's grace & help, He allowed the sun shine on the evil as well as the good that fear & bigotry did not arise, even on those that did not believe in Him.... yet.
The humanity created "racist" and now useless word "bigot" isn't going to disappear.
Racist is simply a low intelligence act when someone doesn't have anything significant to say. In some part, there are some who do fit the term but the majority of people in the world are not racists.
The NA thing was simply fact. If you saw something so profoundly "weird" then however you could describe it and your reaction wouldn't be racist.
On my first deployment my unit went to a 3rd world Muslim feces dumb. I saw different tribes. Few were open to the aid we offered. My Medic platoon and I acquired medicines for a lot of people and provided care to them and without us wouldn't get them.
I saw a culture and people I only saw on TV. I know what Muslims believe and by definition dislike of them b/c of that or any other reason isn't "racist".
I don't find black or Asian women attractive and would never date one. Is that racist? No, b/c everyone has preferences and they aren't it.
Given the KKK and Neo-Nazis I'm sure you would agree they are racists by definition and their actions.
 
The humanity created "racist" and now useless word "bigot" isn't going to disappear.
Racist is simply a low intelligence act when someone doesn't have anything significant to say. In some part, there are some who do fit the term but the majority of people in the world are not racists.
The NA thing was simply fact. If you saw something so profoundly "weird" then however you could describe it and your reaction wouldn't be racist.
On my first deployment my unit went to a 3rd world Muslim feces dumb. I saw different tribes. Few were open to the aid we offered. My Medic platoon and I acquired medicines for a lot of people and provided care to them and without us wouldn't get them.
I saw a culture and people I only saw on TV. I know what Muslims believe and by definition dislike of them b/c of that or any other reason isn't "racist".
I don't find black or Asian women attractive and would never date one. Is that racist? No, b/c everyone has preferences and they aren't it.
Given the KKK and Neo-Nazis I'm sure you would agree they are racists by definition and their actions.
I agree that the KKK and Neo-Nazis are racists.

I reckon I was addressing the victims of woke in society in how the woke people get away with accusing their victims that do not agree with their theology as haters or bigots or racists, thus in turn makes the woke people a hater, bigot & racist.

Yet Christians are not called to return evil for evil but love our enemies with the Lord's help.
 
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