Is it right to criticize a man of God?

[emily445455]

Hmm are posts randomly deleted? I posted this yesterday...but not it's gone:

Rebuking is very Biblical. When you know a Christian is doing something (habitually) that they're not suppost to be doing, you should talk to them about it and rebuke them in love. If they do not repent, seek help, first from others, then from a church (bible-believing preferable)...if they still do not change, leave it to God.

 

[Trishann]

If I am reading your question right you are asking, "Is it right for a Preacher to critized another preacher."

I think if it is because of some kind of dislike or just don't like the style that person is preaching it is very wrong. But if this man of God is out of the will of God he should be rebuke but not through the pulpit. I believe if it comes through the pulpit it should be because it was necessary to protect the sheep in that church.

There definitely is a difference between gossiping and rebuking. And most of all, remember we all stand before God in what we say and do.

Blessings, Trishann

 

[Richie]

Hmm are posts randomly deleted? I posted this yesterday...but not it's gone:

Rebuking is very Biblical. When you know a Christian is doing something (habitually) that they're not suppost to be doing, you should talk to them about it and rebuke them in love. If they do not repent, seek help, first from others, then from a church (bible-believing preferable)...if they still do not change, leave it to God.

I'm in agreement with you sister. In fact rather than criticizing the other person, it is better to discuss with him/her privately so that you will come to an amicable conclusion. In fact what you mentioned is from Matthew 18:15-19

But criticizing publicly is seriously wrong, because it will cause more problems.

God bless you.

 

[jiggyfly]

Hmm are posts randomly deleted? I posted this yesterday...but not it's gone:

Rebuking is very Biblical. When you know a Christian is doing something (habitually) that they're not suppost to be doing, you should talk to them about it and rebuke them in love. If they do not repent, seek help, first from others, then from a church (bible-believing preferable)...if they still do not change, leave it to God.

I agree with you Emily but if someone is resistant after bringing it before the Ekklesia, Jesus said to treat them as an unbeliever and not to have fellowship with them.

 

[jiggyfly]

I'm in agreement with you sister. In fact rather than criticizing the other person, it is better to discuss with him/her privately so that you will come to an amicable conclusion. In fact what you mentioned is from Matthew 18:15-19

But criticizing publicly is seriously wrong, because it will cause more problems.

God bless you.

And if they won't listen and repent then what, Richie?

What of those who spread lies and pass them off as the Gospel of Christ?

 

[jiggyfly]

If I am reading your question right you are asking, "Is it right for a Preacher to critized another preacher."

I think if it is because of some kind of dislike or just don't like the style that person is preaching it is very wrong. But if this man of God is out of the will of God he should be rebuke but not through the pulpit. I believe if it comes through the pulpit it should be because it was necessary to protect the sheep in that church.

There definitely is a difference between gossiping and rebuking. And most of all, remember we all stand before God in what we say and do.

Blessings, Trishann

I agree with you that we are accountable to God for what we do but we are also accountable for what we fail to do.

1Corinthians 5:9-13
9 When I wrote to you before, I told you not to associate with people who indulge in sexual sin. 10 But I wasn’t talking about unbelievers who indulge in sexual sin, or who are greedy or are swindlers or idol worshipers. You would have to leave this world to avoid people like that. 11 What I meant was that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a Christian* yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or a drunkard, or a swindler. Don’t even eat with such people.
12 It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your job to judge those inside the church who are sinning in these ways. 13 God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, “You must remove the evil person from among you.”*

 

[pjnewman]

Criticize, no. Correct, yes. It may sound like symantics to most.

 

[Richie]

And if they won't listen and repent then what, Richie?

What of those who spread lies and pass them off as the Gospel of Christ?

Dear Brother,

If they won't listen, they are answerable to God if they tell lies about the Gospel. Of course we will not keep quiet if they tell lies about the Gospel. We will get more people and try to tell him/her (Just like how Jesus said in Matthew 18:15-19). Even though it is humanly impossible sometimes to make them listen to us, the Holy Spirit will work His way. He will show, who is right and who is wrong, and the Holy Spirit will correct, accordingly.

This is what I want to tell you.

God bless you.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

The answer depends upon how you define the word "citicize". If you are talking about personally condemning the other person, the answer is "no". But, if your goal is to approach the man of God in a spirit of humility and love so that a serious situation can be resolved, the answer is "yes", provided that you are certain that you have your facts straight. Also, take two or three witnesses with you (see Dt 19:15).

SLE

 

[Richie]

The answer depends upon how you define the word "citicize". If you are talking about personally condemning the other person, the answer is "no". But, if your goal is to approach the man of God in a spirit of humility and love so that a serious situation can be resolved, the answer is "yes", provided that you are certain that you have your facts straight. Also, take two or three witnesses with you (see Dt 19:15).

SLE

Wow! Brother SpiritLedEd,

You literally explained the facts in a really plain and simple manner. I tried to explain the very same thing, the hard way. Thank you so much for your reply. You literally made the point plain and simple to me.

God bless you.

 

[jiggyfly]

Dear Brother,

If they won't listen, they are answerable to God if they tell lies about the Gospel. Of course we will not keep quiet if they tell lies about the Gospel. We will get more people and try to tell him/her (Just like how Jesus said in Matthew 18:15-19). Even though it is humanly impossible sometimes to make them listen to us, the Holy Spirit will work His way. He will show, who is right and who is wrong, and the Holy Spirit will correct, accordingly.

This is what I want to tell you.

God bless you.

So what do you think about Paul's comments in 1Corinthians 5 and Jesus' statement about taking the unrepentant bro/sis before the Ekklesia?

 

[Richie]

So what do you think about Paul's comments in 1Corinthians 5 and Jesus' statement about taking the unrepentant bro/sis before the Ekklesia?

Dear Brother,

1 Corinthians 5 is definitely not a pleasant chapter to study, because it is about the problem of immorality in the Church. Few months back I had a study on this chapter while studying Revelation chapter 2 in this thread (http://www.talkjesus.com/bible-study-hall/17507-revelation-2-3-a.html).

If I am precise your talking about 1 Corinthians 5:5, isn't it? I don't know exactly, but I want to confirm it. Well if this is the case, let me go ahead:

1 Corinthians 5:5: Then you must cast this man out of the church and into Satan’s hands, so that his sinful nature will be destroyed and he himself will be saved when the Lord returns.

What Paul the apostle wants to tell us is that if one person causes the entire fellowship in the Church to be disturbed, then that person should be cast out and not allowed to come. Now we are casting out that person, not to condemn him/her, but we are doing it in order to keep the Church atmosphere safe. But when we cast a person out of the Church and not allowing him/her to come, we are not condemning them, but we still have that love for them and we still have that hope that they will repent and come back.

If you want I will post the entire study of 1 Corinthians 5, it will perhaps make what Paul has to say even more loud and clear. I have the study ready with me. It depends on your interest.

God bless you. I want to hear from you.

 

[jiggyfly]

Dear Brother,

1 Corinthians 5 is definitely not a pleasant chapter to study, because it is about the problem of immorality in the Church. Few months back I had a study on this chapter while studying Revelation chapter 2 in this thread (http://www.talkjesus.com/bible-study-hall/17507-revelation-2-3-a.html).

If I am precise your talking about 1 Corinthians 5:5, isn't it? I don't know exactly, but I want to confirm it. Well if this is the case, let me go ahead:

1 Corinthians 5:5: Then you must cast this man out of the church and into Satan’s hands, so that his sinful nature will be destroyed and he himself will be saved when the Lord returns.

What Paul the apostle wants to tell us is that if one person causes the entire fellowship in the Church to be disturbed, then that person should be cast out and not allowed to come. Now we are casting out that person, not to condemn him/her, but we are doing it in order to keep the Church atmosphere safe. But when we cast a person out of the Church and not allowing him/her to come, we are not condemning them, but we still have that love for them and we still have that hope that they will repent and come back.

If you want I will post the entire study of 1 Corinthians 5, it will perhaps make what Paul has to say even more loud and clear. I have the study ready with me. It depends on your interest.

God bless you. I want to hear from you.

1Corinthians 5:9-13, but I am not interested in what a commentary says, I wanted to know your view.

 

[Richie]

1Corinthians 5:9-13, but I am not interested in what a commentary says, I wanted to know your view.

Dear Brother,

I will concentrate on these 2 verses:

1 Corinthians 5:11: What I meant was that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a Christian yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or a drunkard, or a swindler. Don’t even eat with such people.

1 Corinthians 5:13: God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, “You must remove the evil person from among you.”

Well it may look like as if we are condemning the person who doesn't want to repent and come to God, but we should do it in order:

1). To keep ourselves pure.
2). With the hope that, he/she will repent and come back to God’s presence and be pure again. We should still love that person.

This is what I want to tell you.

God bless you.

 

[jiggyfly]

Dear Brother,

I will concentrate on these 2 verses:

1 Corinthians 5:11: What I meant was that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a Christian yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or a drunkard, or a swindler. Don’t even eat with such people.

1 Corinthians 5:13: God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, “You must remove the evil person from among you.”

Well it may look like as if we are condemning the person who doesn't want to repent and come to God, but we should do it in order:

1). To keep ourselves pure.
2). With the hope that, he/she will repent and come back to God’s presence and be pure again. We should still love that person.

This is what I want to tell you.

God bless you.

Why skip over verse 12?????

 

[Richie]

Why skip over verse 12?????

Dear Brother,

I didn't really intend to skip over verse 12. The reason why I didn't focus on verse 12 is because the discussion is related to Church related matters and I didn't really feel it necessary to post the same point again and again.

1 Corinthians 5:12: It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your job to judge those inside the church who are sinning in these ways.

We are focussed on the Church and the problems created within the body of Christ. It is not our job to judge those who are outside, but the inside.

God bless you.

 

[jiggyfly]

Dear Brother,

I didn't really intend to skip over verse 12. The reason why I didn't focus on verse 12 is because the discussion is related to Church related matters and I didn't really feel it necessary to post the same point again and again.

1 Corinthians 5:12: It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your job to judge those inside the church who are sinning in these ways.

We are focussed on the Church and the problems created within the body of Christ. It is not our job to judge those who are outside, but the inside.

God bless you.

Which seems to me to sum up this whole issue. So do you still feel that we are to just leave it in God's hands? Please go back and reread some of your posts. Even your last statement in this post seems contradictory.

 

[Richie]

Which seems to me to sum up this whole issue. So do you still feel that we are to just leave it in God's hands? Please go back and reread some of your posts. Even your last statement in this post seems contradictory.

Dear Brother,

My posts are Contradictory! Well, why don't you compare the context in 1 Corinthians 5 and to what I was talking about in the first post in this thread. Aren't the contexts different?

The reason why I started this thread is because, many people, whenever they get a chance, they begin to throw stones and cause all sorts of confusion by criticizing the pastors. People are so blindfolded, that they begin to criticize at the drop of the hat. They just do it narrow-mindedly, without any understanding.

Now coming to 1 Corinthians 5, you see this context is entirely different. Here Paul the apostle is talking about Church discipline and how easily it can be effected (most importantly by immorality).

In my previous posts, I stuck on to the context in the original post in thread. But in the post on 1 Corinthians 5, I had to deviate from the context in the original post.

Now how do you expect my posts to be the same when the context is different.

Please don't mind if I have offended you, but this is all I want to say.

God bless you.

 

[abigya]

Brother Richie, jiggyfly

i understand what you are trying to explain here, a great thread by arunangelo explains the kind of approach or discipline we need to have towards others (pastors, leaders or church members).

http://www.talkjesus.com/bible-study-hall/20192-what-christian-justice.html#post104300

any thing done with out Love is not of God. 1 Corinthians 13: 1-3 ,

now i am not saying we should be passive about the iniquity of others in the house of the Lord, because "Love does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth"

God bless your heart Richie, for your compassion towards the ministers.


"LOVE is the answer"


In christ

abigya

 

[jiggyfly]

Richie, I reread your first post and some of your other posts along the way and I think I can see where you are coming from. I am not going to continue in this discussion because we do not see things the same way. I discern the difference between the religious system and the body of Christ, and I'm not sure you do, so we can't make correct comparisons (comparing apples to oranges). The topic has evolved some from the OP and some of your later posts were the ones I questioned. Let's just leave it alone for now because we don't agree. Hope you are not offended, but if you are let me know and we can try to reason it out. God bless