Is Jesus God?

[Curtis]

Curtis -- wasn't that power only given to those 70 to authenticate their ministry?

If That was actually for Everyone -- then All believers would have that ability. And, obviously Most believers Don't.

All believers have power and authority over all the works of the Devil or you could never live in victory in this life.

 

[Sue D.]

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

The qualifying requirement here in this verse is, "them that believe" not any specific group of people.

Wouldn't 'them that believe' Be born-again believers?

 

[Curtis]

Wouldn't 'them that believe' Be born-again believers?

Yes!

 

[Samson2020]

I think you're confusing angels with the Holy Spirit.

Actually -- it's the Gospel unto salvation. And isn't the "Kingdom of God = to ' those going to heaven'.

He told the disciples that it was to their advantage that He ascend back up to heaven so that the Holy Spirit could come. It up that point , Jesus Christ could only be in one place at a time. But the Holy Spirit would be able to be with each individual believer all the time.

Jesus Christ was Always part of the Godhead. He was simply 'here' as the God/man for those 33 years.

But 'we' Don't know what angels do or do not understand. And it doesn't matter.

Your Bible/ My Bible -- aren't they the Same Bible.

It was no reward -- it's just the way the Godhead works.

He knew who we were and we can know who He is. That's no mystery.

Jesus Christ Didn't receive life from the Father -- the three parts of the Godhead are Eternal. But, the Father Did raise Jesus Christ His Son from the dead. That proved to the world, that He / Jesus Christ/ Was really the Son of God.

"Jesus Christ did not receive life from the Father??????" John 5:26 "For as the Father hath life within himself; so HATH HE GIVEN TO THE SON to have
LIFE WITHIN HIMSELF."

 

[David1954]

Those angels that had relations with the daughters of men

Angels (who, among themselves, don't marry) produce ***** that can share genetic material with a human ovum?

 

[David1954]

* Angels (who, among themselves, don't marry) produce a male gamete that can share genetic material with a human ovum?

 

[Samson2020]

You would have to ask God. But Look at Genesis 6:1-4 the Union it is said by some to have produced the Nephilim (the Giants) that Israel encountered in the land of Caanan.
And compare with Jude 1:6

 

[David1954]

You would have to ask God. But Look at Genesis 6:1-4 the Union it is said by some to have produced the Nephilim (the Giants) that Israel encountered in the land of Caanan.
And compare with Jude 1:6

I do not have to ask God because God never said any such thing.

 

[Samson2020]

Then who were the sons of God that took to themselves the daughters of men? We are told that when man began to multiply the sons of God saw this, these were not men.
Men had been taking wives since Adam and Eve, these are something else that produced something other than normal men. Gen 6:4 ......"when the sons of God came into the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

You might also ask yourself why did this union only produce males according to that verse?

I see as usual we are drifting so far away from the real issue that it has become irrelevant and entirely something else.

 

[David1954]

he went through the trouble of creating everything

All things were made by him John 1:3.

 

[Samson2020]

Man was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, as was Jesus. The angels do not comprehend death they are spirits. It is because we have been made, for a while, a little lower than the angels that the promise to us is a heavenly body that is above the angels. Jesus was the first to complete this process and procalimed to be a God (the reward) at his glorification which I laid out within a couple of hours when that took place using John 20:1-22. There will not be many that do the same during this first death. Gods will. There is a simple fact that seems to escape most and that is that going to heaven is not the destination. It is existing in the Kingdom of God as a Child (son) of God that Is a God. After all Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom, but Gods children can. And if God be their Father then according to the law of the seed they must grow up to be just like him. This is what Jesus did and therefore became the first showing the rest of us the WAY.
When he said I am the truth , the way, and the life. He fulfilled the WAY part by showing us the final destination at his glorification, the truth is simply this is the plan or word of God for you. the life comes in when you receive the Holy Ghost from him, which he could not give to any man until after his glorification according to John 7:39 .....For the Holy Ghost was not yet given: because that Jesus was not yet glorified." John 7:16 "Jesus answered them, and said, MY DOCTRINE IS NOT MINE BUT HIS THAT SENT ME". Meaning it wasn't his own but rather it was his Fathers. This simple truth of the GOSPEL OF GOD is hidden in plain sight within the Bible, but we read right past it because we get caught up with a few verses that get us off course from being able to see it. I for one cannot for the life of me see why people are so upset that God would do such a thing as this for his children. This is why he went through the trouble of creating everything we see, touch, feel, love, etc....For MATURITYS SAKE. This truly is the best news anyone could ever tell you, but because of unbelief or lack of faith it will not be obtained by most during the first death.

Meant for edification of those that can receive this.

I would add that every time an Angel showed up on earth it appears as a man. Those angels that had relations with the daughters of men and created the giants must indeed look like men or I don't think the women would have laid with them. Just guessing. But always made me wonder why we jumped to (He must be talking about Jesus and himself) when he says "Let US make man in our image" does any body have scripture that actually defines the US in that verse as I have not found it in plain black and white or red and white letters?

This is the Original Post with embedded questions. If you choose to try and answer any then please do that. But can we not go down dead end roads that lead away from the post. You surely can disagree but please explain why after you at least make an effort to answer one question.

 

[David1954]

Just guessing. But always made me wonder why we jumped to (He must be talking about Jesus and himself) when he says "Let US make man in our image" does any body have scripture that actually defines the US in that verse as I have not found it in plain black and white or red and white letters?

Yes.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

 

[KingJ]

Nineveh won't judge the entire generation, just the unrepentant. Matthew 12:41.

So with the elect judging angels.

Else, what would they judge? Whether Gabriel had defrauded Michael?

Angels in heaven are not perfect. Only God is perfect Mark 10:18.

Even us, the saints are not ''perfect''. We are only ''perfect'' in heaven because we are ''perfect to God'' as we are covered by the blood of Jesus.

 

[David1954]

Angels in heaven are not perfect. Only God is perfect Mark 10:18.

Even us, the saints are not ''perfect''. We are only ''perfect'' in heaven because we are ''perfect to God'' as we are covered by the blood of Jesus.

I don't want to fight with you. But, you make a statement, quote a verse that does not support your statement, and then go on to contradict all the New Testament tells us about being perfect.

 

[Sue D.]

Mark 10:18 "So Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is. "God".

KingJ - you quoted the wrong verse.

 

[David1954]

So, we will wait for a Mormon or a Jehovah's Witness to respond to this post.

 

[David1954]

Samson2020 blows a lot of smoke.

No substance.

 

[Sue D.]

Yes.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

This was in response to the question about "let Us make man in Our own image'" Who the "Us" was referring to. Yes, it's the first mention of the trinity. No one else was around -- the Us is referring to God the Father, Jesus Christ His Son and the Holy Spirit".

 

[David1954]

This was in response to the question about "let Us make man in Our own image'" Who the "Us" was referring to. Yes, it's the first mention of the trinity. No one else was around -- the Us is referring to God the Father, Jesus Christ His Son and the Holy Spirit".

Sue, this is so plain. But Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses just can't see it. Samson2020 can't see it. Fascinating.

 

[David1954]

This is the Original Post with embedded questions. If you choose to try and answer any then please do that. But can we not go down dead end roads that lead away from the post. You surely can disagree but please explain why after you at least make an effort to answer one question.

I am fascinated that Samson2020 and Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons have no answer to The Gospel According to Saint John. I thought that would have been their first line of attack.