is OSAS lethal poison?

[DutchChristian]

Dear readers,

is "Once Saved Always Saved" lethal poison to your soul?

i know it is because it turns grace into a license for immorality and makes you feel secured even whilst dwelling in willful sin which will always damn you to hell if you do not repent of it.

OSAS is very lethal poison to a christian!

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: Genesis 3:4

That is exactly what the devil is doing with his OSAS lie telling you it's ok to lie or to be in adultery do not worry relax en enjoy your life do not worry because: Ye shall not surely die.

Take care now,

 

[DutchChristian]

Here is some Scripture to refute the wicked OSAS lie:

1 Corinthians 1:2
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Written to unbelievers? No to everyone that calls upon the Name of Jesus Christ to them that ARE sanctified in Christ Jesus.

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

What a frightening concept. Even the great apostle Paul knew of the possibility of falling away!

1 Corinthians 15:1-2
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

The possibility of falling from grace exists, and mere human good works are dangerous if trusted upon for righteousness.

Philippians 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Does that sound like don't worry the everything is ok message OSAS gives?

Colossians 1:23
If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Does that imply OSAS? If ye continue in the faith?

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

How can you "depart" from the faith, if you're not "in the faith" to begin with right?

Hebrews 3:6
But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Another IF statement, showing the necessity of overcoming, perservering faith in the Christian life.

Hebrews 3:12-13
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

He said He would never leave or forsake us, but we are Given free will and must make the decision whom we will serve and stay faithful.

Hebrews 3:14
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Hebrews 4:1
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promisebeing left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

James 5:19-20
Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Written to the "brethren" who have "erred from the truth" (how can you err from the truth if you were not previously established in the truth?). Such a soul is in danger of death!

And finally:

2 Peter 3:17-18
Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

 

[DutchChristian]

Here is some more Scripture to refute the OSAS: "Ye shall not surely die" lie.

Acts 14:22
Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Romans 11:20-22
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Luke 9:25
For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?

Matthew 5:13
Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

Matthew 5:29-30
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut if off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 25:30
And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Hebrews 10:26-31
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Hebrews 12:14-17
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

Jude 1:4-5
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

And finally:

Revelations 3:3-5
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.


This has got nothing to do with works salvation because we are saved by grace through faith!

Sin always has a consequence for the wages of sin is always death that is why we need forgiveness of sin and hence the repentance.

OSAS implies you are saved regardless of wickedness and that you can live a life just like a heathen man and still make it into the Kingdom of God even while in adultery and murder.

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

This has got nothing to do with works salvation because we are saved by grace through faith!

I thought we were saved by Jesus's finished work on the cross and the proof is his resurrection.
I thought he defeated Satan ,sin,sickness and death.
I thought that we received his grace to overcome everything that is not of him.
I thought God was able to do anything
I thought God's will would be done.
I thought it is God's will that none should perish.
I thought we were supposed pray for the lost.
I thought we were supposed to pray and believe we have received what we pray for.

 

[farout]

The subject of OSAS has been debated for a very long time recently, at least as long as I have been with TJ.

I think to say it's lethal Biblical position leaves one with the impression that if we disagree, and do believe the Bible teaches OSAS that we are spreading deadly spiritual information. My suggestion is to dialogue with the subject that this is a debatable subject omong believers, but not one that disfellowships brothers and sisters in the LORD.

I personally believe that faith that falters has a flaw in it from the first. We are given the Holy Spirit as deposit that our salvation is secure. However I do fully understand where you are coming from, and will not down grade your belief that salvation can be lost. Blessings.

 

[jari]

salvation as described in the bible comes from God and not from us.
it requires faith however we must believe Jesus is savior.

then pretty much every other idea on how to make your self saved or retain your salvation, has nothing to do with Faith.

so when bible says we are saved by faith OSAS makes much sense.

Our self effort on the other hand doesn't require faith at all. its just more of working towards good conscience according to your beliefs and doctrines.
but it's not faith simply in God but trust in your theology.

most people who disagree with OSAS usually believe in works based salvation. or in effort to save your self in way or another.

 

[DutchChristian]

most people who disagree with OSAS usually believe in works based salvation. or in effort to save your self in way or another.

Hi dear Jari,

i and many others who also reject osas, strongly oppose any works salvation and legalism too, i for one totally reject it and cast it from me as very evil. Legalism is a wicked thing it is false and so is osas.

We are saved by grace through faith!

But let us never ever turn our back on Him! or to wilfully sin against The Almighty GOD The HOLY ONE of Israel! God forbid!

It may look like legalism to some, but the word of God actually encourages to make every effort... (which is not works salvation but righteous fear and reverence toward GOD and respect to carefully hold on to the True faith once delivered unto the saints)


Hebrews 4:11
Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience. (NIV)

Luke 13:24
Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. (NIV)

2 Peter 1:5
For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; (NIV)

2 Peter 3:14
So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. (NIV)

Hebrews 4:11
Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience. (NIV)

Colossians 1:29
Whereunto I also labour, striving according to His working, which worketh in me mightily.

Acts 24:16
And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.

Jude 1:3
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

1 Timothy 6:12
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

Hebrews 12:14
Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. (NIV)

Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: (KJV)


May God Bless all who are seeking into to get understanding in this matter of osas with Truth, and let every stone be uncovered to reveal the woodlouse that is hiding underneath. In Jesus Mighty Name.

 

[jari]

hi DutchChristian

Hebrews 4:11
Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience.

it depends on what does the rest mean?

2 Peter 3:14
So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.

our maturity in christ gives peace.. and rest from works.

Hebrews 12:14
Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.

holiness seems to be goal here but this probably means spiritual awareness of the Lord in holiness.
and not that we would be saved only when we become holy enough.

 

[DutchChristian]

hi DutchChristian

holiness seems to be goal here but this probably means spiritual awareness of the Lord in holiness.
and not that we would be saved only when we become holy enough.

Hi dear Jari,

1 Thessalonians 4:1-7
Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.
For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

Sanctification is Gods work in the believer filled with the Holy Ghost, God does the work it is all His glory not ours, we have nothing to boast about. We must: abstain from fornication and know how to possess our vessel in sanctification and honour. Because God Has not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. If we go and keep resisting Gods Work in us by the Holy Ghost, which is to transform us more and more in the image of His Son The Lord Jesus Christ in Holiness that is not good, especially not when we go about and go against God and sin or turn our back on Him by disobedience or even rebellion. We must always be obedient: For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

Osas looks like it is the easy way out at this moment but in the end it is all darkness it looks and sounds good now, but it is absolute dangerous and lethal poison to your soul.

Osas does not help to make you more holy it does the opposite it makes grace to be turned into a license for immorality and as you know the wages of sin is always death.

A christian simply cannot live a ungodly lifestyle which is covertly promoted by this wicked Osas lie because let's say if you commit adultery that makes you an adulterer and you know that no adulterer will inherit the Kingdom of God. Osas makes you to relax, to sit back and it get's the fight and alertness and striving out of you and that is exactly what satan wants to do.

It is just like satan said in the garden while he was tempting Eve: And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die Genesis 3:4 But God said: thou shalt surely die. And that is basically the main message of OSAS: that you can never die spiritually even if you outright murder someone and that is in opposition to The Holy Bible, The word of God.

 

[jari]

(Joh 12:47) And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

(Joh 12:48) He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

since Jesus came to save the lost we must accept Him. But bible doesnt give us any standard how we should be still saved.
even if we don't follow God's word or do God's will we are not condemmed because Jesus came to save us.
if Jesus came to save us why would he then give us something so we would be judged?

salvation seems to be more about believing and accepting Jesus. than doing things or being something.

 

[jari]

It is just like satan said in the garden while he was tempting Eve: And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die Genesis 3:4 But God said: thou shalt surely die. And that is basically the main message of OSAS: that you can never die spiritually even if you outright murder someone and that is in opposition to The Holy Bible, The word of God.

you can probably die spiritually but also live in different levels of spirituality...
still Holy spirit is given to us until day of redemption. it's a seal to mark us as God's own.

(Rom 8:13) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

(2Co 1:22) Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
(2Co 5:5) Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
(Eph 4:30) And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

Sanctification is Gods work in the believer filled with the Holy Ghost, God does the work it is all His glory not ours, we have nothing to boast about.

I agree,thank Jesus.

We must:

??? Wait!!!??? You just said God did.
Now you add I must?

OHH,look at me ,I'm so good,I did something that made me acceptable to God and now I can boast.

Is this correct?

It seems to me the idea that we can be separated from the love of God creates an environment for sin.
Not a license to sin.
If you want to kill mosquitoes then drain the swamp.
Or should we just arm everyone with flyswatters?

 

[DutchChristian]

(Joh 12:47) And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

(Joh 12:48) He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

since Jesus came to save the lost we must accept Him. But bible doesnt give us any standard how we should be still saved.
even if we don't follow God's word or do God's will we are not condemmed because Jesus came to save us.
if Jesus came to save us why would he then give us something so we would be judged?

salvation seems to be more about believing and accepting Jesus. than doing things or being something.

Hi dear Jari,

Please read the Scriptures i posted earlier on in this thread and meditate on them ask The Lord to reveal to you the Truth. It is all in there.

Here is something to consider on:

Hebrews 10:23-31
Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Be very diligent now,
DutchChristian

 

[jari]

Please read the Scriptures i posted earlier on in this thread and meditate on them ask The Lord to reveal to you the Truth. It is all in there.

i have read all those verses before this thread and now but I don't think any of them refer to losing salvation. we have to assume certain words means losing salvation if we are to make that kind of interpreation over the verses.

God bless you

 

[DutchChristian]

I agree,thank Jesus.


??? Wait!!!??? You just said God did.
Now you add I must?

OHH,look at me ,I'm so good,I did something that made me acceptable to God and now I can boast.

Is this correct?

Jesus Christ His work makes someone acceptable to God but you must continue to choose to submit and obey Him if not you do not love God.

We must always be obedient: For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

You must keep His commandments, there is no other option.

 

[DutchChristian]

i urge all people to dig deeper into this very important subject. Pray, get in the word of God!

Do your own research on the OSAS before you receive it as truth into your spiritual life as your own very soul might be at stake. You also help share in spreading deadly error and false doctrine towards other Christians if you openly support OSAS, or support it with funding or / and teach it to other christians. Please investigate first, research it! Do more research hold on to that what is good and reject all that is error. As you will be held accountable for all things before a HOLY GOD!

my heart is in great pain to see this osas lie have succes, osas is like a deadly cancer even able of the killing of a righteous soul, it must be completely exposed and reproved all wickedness must be completely cast away, please flee from it RUN Run AWAY!

 

[jari]

i have done much research in this topic.
and I dont say this to any particular person but,
if osas is not true then those opposing the doctrine should do more research inorder to show it as false.
as most arguments made to debunk osas are very bad.

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

http://ebible.com/query?utf=8✓&query=1 John 2:4&translation=ESV

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

So do I keep his commandments because I love him, or because he will torture me for eternity if I don't?
I guess I could pretend to love someone like that out of fear.

 

[philosopher]

I think many people have an incorrect view of OSAS. It's not used to justify a free license to sin, but rather that Jesus only has to save us once only. We don't continue getting re-saved after we fall into sin and repent. Also, a truly born again believer will want to please God, because he genuinely loves him, and strives to do the things acceptable in his sight. We're not saved by our works, because if that were the case we would all perish in the end.

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one- Romans 3:10

But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.- Isaiah 64:6

This is why we need our redeemer: Jesus!!

 

[Rockerduck]

I've never heard a testimony from someone who lost his/her salvation. I have heard testimony of repenters praising Jesus for not leaving them in their back slid condition.