Is selfdefense righteous?

[Christ4Ever]

what if they shoot you can you shoot them back?

Only if they're a bad shot.

 

[zeth4500]

Because God's Kids always conquers.

that i can agree with any time.

Or you can try and defend yourself and then He stands back and allow you to suffer the consequences of your lack of Faith and fighting foolishly against what you can never conquer. .

yes i understand this is the ideal way to play it if youre a monk and no one else is your responsibility- but i have others that depend on me, ill have to agree to disagree on this

avenge not yourselves,

it is not to avenge, it is to avoid death. if one is even able to avenge, then it wasnt death

When you enter the Holy War they will most probable leave you as my wife and kids and friends and family and nation did.

im sorry to hear that, until they do so i will have to secure their existence as its my duty

 

[backNforth]

Or you can try and defend yourself and then He stands back and allow you to suffer the consequences of your lack of Faith and fighting foolishly against what you can never conquer. .

Your body is not your own; you were bought with a price (1 Cor. 6:20). Even the heathen recognize that, which is why suicide is still illegal in most areas (although euthanasia is creeping in). Death is an enemy; The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. (12 Cor 15:26).

Self-defense is permissible if the person uses wisdom, understanding, and tact to decide when they should fight back. A couple relevant verses:

If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him. (Exo. 22:2-3).

They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burdens, with those that laded, every one with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other hand held a weapon. (Neh. 4:17-18).

Yes, you are to "defend yourself," as you are not your own, and dead believers make poor evangelists. First and foremost, it is a spiritual battle. While the physical is after the fact, yet it also must be attended to.

Jesus himself tells us to take up swords.

Luke 22: 36 - He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.

Jesus is speaking literal here. Earlier in his ministry, Jesus tells his disciples to go out with nothing, including no moneybag (Luke 9:3). However, now he is saying that once the Scriptures come to pass, they will need more supplies, including ways to defend themselves because his followers will soon be persecuted in his name.

Jesus is talking about literal moneybags and knapsacks in Verse 36 so there is no reason to think that he isn't also talking about literal swords. Not to mention that the very fact Simon Peter had a sword at all when the guards came for Jesus suggests that the disciples had swords on them normally, meaning that Jesus did not prohibit swords (means of self defense) before the cutting off of the guard's ear.

it is not to avenge, it is to avoid death. if one is even able to avenge, then it wasnt death

Indeed.

m sorry to hear that, until they do so i will have to secure their existence as its my duty

Amen.

 

[Johanabrahams]

yes i understand this is the ideal way to play it if youre a monk and no one else is your responsibility- but i have others that depend on me, ill have to agree to disagree on this

So where did God say He will protect only "monks" and not families who entered His Protection, Brother? Is He not the Father and Head and Protector of Both?

it is not to avenge, it is to avoid death. if one is even able to avenge, then it wasnt death

How can anyone kill you without God's Permission on it? How can anyone do anything against you without God as your Daddy's Permission on it? When I saw this in Revelation God brought a whole town into "attacking Me". And they lost the Holy War. No use knowing God is Protector without entering it. But seems the "Monk" will survive because He Loves God enough to believe Him that He is Protector. As He said. And you and your family will die, Brother? Because of lack of Love to believe your Daddy and what He said?

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im sorry to hear that,

No need to be sorry, Brother. God is never "sorry" for what He allows to happen with you. Because it is working out His Glory in which you will share. God gave Me a Perfect Marriage in the place of mine. He gave Me Himself as Husband. And He gave Me as His Wife Perfect Children in the place of mine. He gave Me Jesus as My Son. Now I have a Perfect Family Life created by the Perfect Word of God to do exactly this for Him. Where we share in the Joy and Happiness and Purpose and Fulfillment of it. He did say there is something Greater for us if we don't "marry". Or rather if we don't enter more of human sinful, wretched existence. As He showed us in Jesus when He never took a human wife for Himself.

I believed. And now I have a Perfect Life. Because when you enter giving everything God gives the Perfection. He never lied. And neither was He "joking".

Mat. 19:
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23 ¶Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

 

[zeth4500]

Jesus is talking about literal moneybags and knapsacks in Verse 36 so there is no reason to think that he isn't also talking about literal swords. Not to mention that the very fact Simon Peter had a sword at all when the guards came for Jesus suggests that the disciples had swords on them normally, meaning that Jesus did not prohibit swords (means of self defense) before the cutting off of the guard's ear.

ill take it this insinuates the same as the second ammendment not just allowing people to use muskets but also... 80 ton battletanks if they fancy it? very great find.

How can anyone kill you without God's Permission on it?

the jews murdered jesus. there are many other who worked for jesus and god that died
isaiah 54 yes, but we must also do what we can and not rely on god to wipe our ass, to cook potatoes for us. we have hands, so we must use these hands that god has given us- im a welder so im gonna use my knowledge of metallurgy and chemistry to survive the coming judgement day as its the blessing god has given me. everything i know of chemistry and probably metal as well started with one time where god led me to open a drawer in an empty classroom to find a pencil sharperner made out of the unusual metal magnesium, to spark my fascination

the lord will strenghten you with wisdom and ability to defend yourself- we are an extension of god. its with gods permission we are able to learn anything, to craft a knife. for suitable metal to even be available to us. for the knowledge.

there is something Greater for us if we don't "marry". Or rather if we don't enter more of human sinful, wretched existence. As He showed us in Jesus when He never took a human wife for Himself.

sure, but- if you marry then you cannot obviously become a monk and your love for god will be challenged by the love for your wife

matthew 19 is still challenged by what rhema quoted about it being a sin to just give up everything- i guess, it makes sense if you insist on being a monk, but once you have a responsibility in this world you cant just become a bum and rely on the lord to give you everything

as backNforth also explained, even jesus himself had guards that used, by your idea ungodly measures to ensuring jesus' safety
god is in everything. in every atom of mercury. in every atom of carbon, in every little particle of carbon inside a hardened carbon steel blade, if we do whats right then what we use for it is not as significant as the righteousness of the fruit- the conclusion.

 

[Garee]

No need to be sorry, Brother. God is never "sorry" for what He allows to happen with you. Because it is working out His Glory in which you will share. God gave Me a Perfect Marriage in the place of mine. He gave Me Himself as Husband. And He gave Me as His Wife Perfect Children in the place of mine. He gave Me Jesus as My Son. Now I have a Perfect Family Life created by the Perfect Word of God to do exactly this for Him. Where we share in the Joy and Happiness and Purpose and Fulfillment of it. He did say there is something Greater for us if we don't "marry". Or rather if we don't enter more of human sinful, wretched existence. As He showed us in Jesus when He never took a human wife for Himself

He gave you Himself as the Husband. And He gave you as His Wife Perfect Children in the place of yours? Are faithful believers your children. step up to the bar drinks are on the temple or house?

 

[Johanabrahams]

Are faithful believers your children.

Sure, Brother. When they get the Revelation that they are the Real Jesus which the Word of God creates. By this Revelation they enter the New Jerusalem Life in Family Existence. But before this Revelation they have a meager Life as Babies of God in the various religions of strife. This does not mean they are not saved or not Loved or not God's Kids. They just need to grow up in being raised further in their Life of God by the Holy Spirit and its Anointing.

 

[Curtis]

Rom 13:2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval,

Rom 13:4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.

God has servants that bring about order when evil doers run rampant in society using the sword as God,s wrath upon wrongdoers.

God has delegated authority to defend the good and punish evil, even with capital punishment if required.

 

[MedicBravo]

Not only self-defense but of others who cannot.
Elderly. Babies. Children.
While not optimal, stopping an evil person will include his/her death.
Given the increasing state of evil and evil people in this world we are commanded to fight it.
Last I checked, prayers have not immediately stopped wars, turned bullets into fairy dust, or bombs and missiles into food and medicine for the hungry and sick.

 

[zeth4500]

Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed

thats a bit silly. the authorities will be the ones issuing the mark of the devil, they are the world. james 4:4 a friend to the world is an enemy to god
i must say however that they do punish wrongdoers as well, but it seems its just the lowlevel wrongdoers as they also themselves partake in much sin such as taking confiscated drugs and reselling and really backing up anything the rich are doing

we are commanded to fight it.

fight it, as passively as possible and not take dangerous risks- but be prepared to "fight" it - fight back when necessary

Last I checked, prayers have not immediately stopped wars

you could argue they are pushed on people who are not righteous but naturally the righteous were NEVER in abundance so its just a cycle of .. throwing the weeds into the fire at harvest time and letting them grow again. its a balance of what i take it which concludes at - dont go out and initiate violence but its ok to be fine to overpower someone who comes with violence

 

[MedicBravo]

thats a bit silly. the authorities will be the ones issuing the mark of the devil, they are the world. james 4:4 a friend to the world is an enemy to god
i must say however that they do punish wrongdoers as well, but it seems its just the lowlevel wrongdoers as they also themselves partake in much sin such as taking confiscated drugs and reselling and really backing up anything the rich are doing


fight it, as passively as possible and not take dangerous risks- but be prepared to "fight" it - fight back when necessary


you could argue they are pushed on people who are not righteous but naturally the righteous were NEVER in abundance so its just a cycle of .. throwing the weeds into the fire at harvest time and letting them grow again. its a balance of what i take it which concludes at - dont go out and initiate violence but its ok to be fine to overpower someone who comes with violence

In truth, we're going to be at risk fighting evil.
It is only the action of Good people who'll stop Evil people with the goal of abuse, torture, maiming, and murdering of others.