Is speaking in tongues necessary to be saved?

[God's Truth]

Dear God's Truth,
I have an issue with the above statement, because it's your words and not Scripture making this declaration. Also, I have another reason besides that to question its reasoning.

The sign was fulfilled, it was a sign to the Jews, and they received the sign.
I gave the scriptures showing the sign being given.
How did you miss that? How do you ever get that the sign wasn't given? Do you think there was a failure on God's part?

I know the answer you will give to it, but I'll wait for you to give it anyway.

How do you miss the answer? I gave many scriptures. I gave the scripture from the Old Testament that God would speak to these people, the Jews, and then I gave you scriptures where God spoke to the Jews through men of strange tongues/languages.

Now for the question.

If what you said were true, then why was tongues continuing in the church, and why was it necessary for Paul to provide guidance on the comportment of the Gift of Tongues in the Church well after Pentecost?

God gave the gift DURING THE LAYING OF THE FOUNDATION. There were more Jews to keep showing the sign to, it wasn't all done in a few days. Once a gift is given, it isn't taken away. It does cease being given though, just as the Bible says.

P.S. Now to look at some of the other postings you have done.
Again, knowing your answer, it still holds to the continuance of not only the Gift of Tongues, but the other wonders/miracles done by our Lord and Savior. Amazingly, our Lord said in John 14:12 NKJV - "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater [works] than these he will do, because I go to My Father.

Saying what He said, the only limiting factor in His statement was belief, and condition of time, which was it would happen because He was going to the Father. So, there were no other limiting indicators attached to our Lord's Statement, either in who or time, which would make your closing statement untrue. Also, it was necessary for them (Apostles/believers) to be a witness to the parts yet unknown on the Earth, and this through the power received by the Holy Spirit.

Jesus said that TO HIS APOSTLES.

Act 1:8 KJV - But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

If what you say is correct, then after Jesus or even following Pentecost, the power of the Holy Spirit that was upon/in them would cease to give them the power to do what they were called to do.

How would you ever get that? What you said doesn't make sense.

This does not seem reasonable as we see the resulting affects that miracles had on people throughout Scripture, even after said day and our Lord's Ascension. Which only confirms what He told them and not what you believe to have happened.

What are you talking about? Jesus told them to WAIT for the power that would be given them for their earthly ministry, and that it would be given after he went back to the Father.

P.S. Now to move on to another post.

Now you are adding/taking away conditions to the Gifts that were/are given to believers through the Holy Spirit. It also appears that you are going against your own words in your opening statement in this post, by allowing for the continuance of miracles past Pentecost, which is contrary to what you stated in post #94 "The sign was fulfilled by the Apostles speaking in tongues at Pentecost. The sign was fulfilled and there would be no reason for it to continue for centuries thereafter."

Sadly, you are also adding to Scripture what is not there by using Ephesians 2:20 to support your premise that the Gift of Tongues have ceased. You open in this post with an attempt at making a self-supporting statement which would hold validity if the Scripture in context held to your position. It does not. You need to keep reading verses 21, and 22 to see that instead of limiting anything to a certain time, it extends it to includes all believers, whether past present or future. I have added both verses 19, and 20 to provide the necessary context.

Eph 2:19 NKJV - Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,
Eph 2:20 NKJV - having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner[stone],
Eph 2:21 NKJV - in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord,
Eph 2:22 NKJV - in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

During Pentecost, not every Jew heard the gospel and sign and needed it no more. What you are saying doesn't make sense. The New Testament times were the laying of the foundation, it was during the times God testified to what was said, it was when scriptures were being written.

P.S. Off to look at another!

Again, you are limiting to the time of its occurrence the communicating of tongues, with Scripture that is not written for that purpose. So, your reasoning that "There is no reason for tongues to continue." does not hold validity. I simple ask you, "Has the Gospel been heard by everyone on Earth?" Since it has not, isn't it incumbent that believers still be given the Gifts of the Spirit in order to continue to show the wonders of our God? Especially to those people whose language has not yet had Scripture translated into?

The scriptures are complete, you cannot add, God already testified to it, there are no more Apostles, the foundation has been laid, the sign has been given.

P.S. On we go! I do enjoy any discussion that gets me into Scripture!!!!

Glad to hear that. I love discussing the scriptures.

Do I really need to reply to this? Are we perfect like our Lord was and is, or are we changing to a perfection yet to be realized though we be Children of God, and aren't we still to be about the business assigned to us? So, why take away the Gifts which were given to serve the purpose that we are still doing to this day?

I have proven with scripture that the perfect coming was about Jesus coming the first time.

Dear God's Truth,
I would tell you that to the unbeliever, they very well may be "new mysteries about God", because either they haven't heard the Gospel, or no one has explained Scripture to them in their own tongue.

Then they are to be taught what is already in the Bible---the mystery is given. The are to be taught the prophecies that were revealed and given---as in the Bible.

Don't get me wrong, I do have issue with how the Gift of Tongues is portrayed and exploited in many churches.

So glad to hear you say that, for someone else on this site even watched the videos by Andrew Strom and thought he was going against acceptable ways.

However, no matter how wrong that may be doesn't mean that there are not others who have and still reflect the Gifts of the Spirit righteously, to the Glory of God and the furtherance of His Kingdom.

There are gifts but not speaking in tongues, prophecies and new knowledge.

God has also already testified to the greatest time the world has ever known---revelation of Jesus Christ, and, the greatest of testimonies were given them...raising of the dead, sight to those born blind and the ability of those born paralyzed to walk.

I felt moved to suggest that you reread 1 Corinthians 2 it holds much to consider.

It is kind of funny to me that you would ever get that I have studied it and considered it carefully in a major way.

Thank-you for having taken the time to explain your position to me. God Bless.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Thank you so much for these words of kindness in finishing of your post.

 

[Waggles]

And yet on Sunday ay our church meeting time was set aside for the voice gifts of the Holy Spirit:
tongues followed by interpretation ( up to 3 times)
and then the gift of prophecy (again can be up to 3 times).

 

[jd01]

No.

Speaking in tongues is part of the mysticism that arose after Jesus' death. Paul encourages it and other odd practices in his congregations But it was never taught or practised by Jesus.

 

[Christ4Ever]

The sign was fulfilled, it was a sign to the Jews, and they received the sign.
I gave the scriptures showing the sign being given.
How did you miss that? How do you ever get that the sign wasn't given? Do you think there was a failure on God's part?

Dear God's Truth,
So, that we don’t get into greater contention, please don’t read into what I have written, and I won’t do so with what you have written. Nowhere in my reply to you did I ever say that “the sign” as you say was not given. Also, don’t question me about what is between God and me, unless you want to get on my wrong side. Clearly God has not failed, but is it possible that you have?

Anyway, I don’t see where the sign was to only one generation of Jews. Is it not possible that it was to all future generations as well, and one could now include the Gentiles, considering that in verse 22 of 1 Corinthians 14 Paul after quoting Isaiah, includes them by stating “unbelievers” instead of just his people which is what he had a tendency to point out in his many writings?

So, my question to you is have all the Jews received that sign? No need to answer I think not. There are still unbelieving Jews in our Generation that it could be meant for them just as it was meant for them who were waiting for it following the writings of Isaiah. We can state that the giving of this sign started with Pentecost, but it still doesn’t show that the sign/Gift would not continue which we see happening in the newly established church in the NT. For in Isaiah, it ends with “but even then they will not listen to me”. Clearly Isaiah was talking about the Nation, because some listened in the time of Paul, as do some in our current time as well. It is just as a Nation that the refusal is seen throughout the ages.

How do you miss the answer? I gave many scriptures. I gave the scripture from the Old Testament that God would speak to these people, the Jews, and then I gave you scriptures where God spoke to the Jews through men of strange tongues/languages.

I guess I was wrong! You didn’t give the answer I was expecting. Which was that it has since ceased.

In your reply it appears you didn’t read it, or should I say understand it. I said “I know the answer you will give to it,…” and unless you knew the answer I was expecting why answer with the belief that I had missed it? Clearly you expect certain things, and answer thereby without consideration to either the author, or the words they may have shared for your consideration. I guess you can make mistakes just as I did! However, I do try to learn from my mistakes. I hope you will as well.

God gave the gift DURING THE LAYING OF THE FOUNDATION. There were more Jews to keep showing the sign to, it wasn't all done in a few days. Once a gift is given, it isn't taken away. It does cease being given though, just as the Bible says.

Ah, very good. So, it is possible/probable that since the laying of the foundation that tongues has continued, since there are still more Jews to keep showing the sign to, because neither the Nation, or the people in general have ceased to exists or come to believe on Jesus the Christ.

However, you add that “It does cease being given though, just as the Bible says.” This is still an unsupported statement you have added here. You have yet in this conversation stated by Scripture that it has ceased. In fact I am more inclined than ever to believe that it continues to this day since we are still in the Age of the Church.

Jesus said that TO HIS APOSTLES.

Of course he said it to His Apostles, but he meant it to believers that would come afterward. What were His Words? “…he who believes in Me…” if our Lord and Savior were only addressing the Apostles He could just as easily have used “you who believes in Me.” instead. I believe you are incorrect in concluding it was only to the Apostles He meant this for. Otherwise, you’d have to exclude Paul who as yet was not an Apostle, as well as the other Gifts of the Spirit given to believers after His Ascension and after Pentecost.

Note: If you limit the extent of our Lord’s Words that we have received in the Gospels as you did here in John 14:12 to just who He was talking to, you in truth limit much that followed from then onward.

How would you ever get that? What you said doesn't make sense.

Sure it makes sense. If you read what you had written to which I was responding to.

Now to extrapolate a little more. As you have said yourself and quoted: Tongues is given as a sign to the unbeliever from the believer through Holy Spirit power. What is the purpose of said Gifts? But to do the will we are commanded to do (Acts 1:8). His will is still being done my Brother! His Word is still being translated into other languages that here to people still have never seen/heard His Word, even as we communicate here!!

Unless of course you think that God has left you/those called, abandoned of resources to show the unbeliever His power through the Gifts given by the Holy Spirit that are called to His purpose? I hope not.

I also hope this clarifies what I communicated to you in response to what you had posted.

What are you talking about? Jesus told them to WAIT for the power that would be given them for their earthly ministry, and that it would be given after he went back to the Father.

You divided what I said that was in response to you. It appears you like to do this. However, this creates problems, because one loses context, which only creates confusion that you are feeling (heavy sigh).

During Pentecost, not every Jew heard the gospel and sign and needed it no more. What you are saying doesn't make sense. The New Testament times were the laying of the foundation, it was during the times God testified to what was said, it was when scriptures were being written.

Clearly you are confused, and if I’m at cause for this, I apologize.

In my response to you in which you said, and have now amended even more “The sign was fulfilled by the Apostles speaking in tongues at Pentecost. The sign was fulfilled and there would be no reason for it to continue for centuries thereafter” then above “During Pentecost, not every Jew heard the gospel and sign and needed it no more.”

To understand what has happened is to understand the beginning of the Church Age. This started on the Day of Pentecost and continues until???

I’ll leave the end of the Church Age for someone else, but needless to say we are still in the Church Age as we speak. You have to understand that the Gifts were given to the Church (you/I/all believers), it only makes sense that it would continue until which time the Church Age ends that His will would be done. That is why you see me continuing on your use of Ephesians 2:2, and included the other pertinent verses to provide context.

It is kind of funny to me that you would ever get that I have studied it and considered it carefully in a major way.

Maybe, that was the reason I was moved to suggest it to you.

On some of your latter responses in your thread, I didn’t answer because …it would have been repetitive. LOL

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[God's Truth]

Scriptures were given about the sign being given, then you say things like this to me: "I have an issue with the above statement, because it's your words and not Scripture making this declaration."

Scriptures are given that plainly say it was a sign.

Clearly God has not failed, but is it possible that you have?

God does not fail me. He gave me understanding about speaking in tongues.

Anyway, I don’t see where the sign was to only one generation of Jews.

A sign was given to "this people". That is what was prophesied.
The sign was given to those people, as Paul quoted that Old Testament scriptures about tongues.

Is it not possible that it was to all future generations as well, and one could now include the Gentiles,

It was a sign to those Jews at that time.

considering that in verse 22 of 1 Corinthians 14 Paul after quoting Isaiah, includes them by stating “unbelievers”

Who is "them"? Are you saying the Corinthians were unbelievers?

So, my question to you is have all the Jews received that sign? No need to answer I think not. There are still unbelieving Jews in our Generation that it could be meant for them just as it was meant for them who were waiting for it following the writings of Isaiah.

Just as there are no more scriptures being written, there are no more signs with tongues to "this people".

Again, the sign was given to "this people", and it was given during the laying of the foundation. The New Testament times were special times to say the least.

1 Corinthians 13:8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

See how tongues, prophecies, and new knowledge all go together?
The scriptures are finished. Tongues, prophecies, and new knowledge have all ceased. If they had not ceased, we would still be having scriptures being written.
If someone told me they have some new prophecies from God, some new knowledge, it would not be considered by me at all if it was not written in the Bible, for that is where we are to check out everything we are taught.

However, you add that “It does cease being given though, just as the Bible says.” This is still an unsupported statement you have added here. You have yet in this conversation stated by Scripture that it has ceased. In fact I am more inclined than ever to believe that it continues to this day since we are still in the Age of the Church.

Tongues has ceased, because it was a sign, a testimony from God, during the laying of the foundation, we are even told it would cease, as would prophesies and new knowledge, for the tongue speaker spoke mysteries---they spoke new knowledge. No one is giving new knowledge from God anymore. There are the Mormons who believe God gave new knowledge, and they have two more books with this new knowledge that no one should accept.

Tongue speakers spoke mysteries:

1 Corinthians 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Colossians 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:


The mysteries have already been revealed.

Ephesians 3:3-9

3 that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. 4 In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets.

7 I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power. 8 Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, 9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.

Of course he said it to His Apostles, but he meant it to believers that would come afterward. What were His Words? “…he who believes in Me…” if our Lord and Savior were only addressing the Apostles He could just as easily have used “you who believes in Me.” instead. I believe you are incorrect in concluding it was only to the Apostles He meant this for. Otherwise, you’d have to exclude Paul who as yet was not an Apostle, as well as the other Gifts of the Spirit given to believers after His Ascension and after Pentecost.

Jesus said it to his apostles, and Paul became an apostle.

Note: If you limit the extent of our Lord’s Words that we have received in the Gospels as you did here in John 14:12 to just who He was talking to, you in truth limit much that followed from then onward.

Jesus said things to his apostles, things that were meant just for them, it does not mean everything he ever said to the apostles weren't for anyone else.

Now to extrapolate a little more. As you have said yourself and quoted: Tongues is given as a sign to the unbeliever from the believer through Holy Spirit power. What is the purpose of said Gifts?

It is was a prophecy fulfilled, and, it also caused unbelievers to believe, for they heard the gospel being spoken in earthly languages by people who had not known the earthly foreign languages.

But to do the will we are commanded to do (Acts 1:8). His will is still being done my Brother! His Word is still being translated into other languages that here to people still have never seen/heard His Word, even as we communicate here!!

Jesus said that to his apostles that were sent, as he was sent. Not all are sent as his apostles were sent.

John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.


They taught the scriptures verbally, even before they were written. We cannot do that.

In my response to you in which you said, and have now amended even more “The sign was fulfilled by the Apostles speaking in tongues at Pentecost. The sign was fulfilled and there would be no reason for it to continue for centuries thereafter” then above “During Pentecost, not every Jew heard the gospel and sign and needed it no more.”

It is not an amendment to give you more information, as if I changed something.

I’ll leave the end of the Church Age for someone else, but needless to say we are still in the Church Age as we speak.

Jesus is the church. There are not even churches anymore as there were during the laying of the foundation.

You have to understand that the Gifts were given to the Church (you/I/all believers), it only makes sense that it would continue until which time the Church Age ends that His will would be done.

Some gifts have not ceased, and some gifts have ceased.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Scriptures were given about the sign being given, then you say things like this to me: "I have an issue with the above statement, because it's your words and not Scripture making this declaration."

Scriptures are given that plainly say it was a sign.


God does not fail me. He gave me understanding about speaking in tongues.



A sign was given to "this people". That is what was prophesied.
The sign was given to those people, as Paul quoted that Old Testament scriptures about tongues.




It was a sign to those Jews at that time.


Who is "them"? Are you saying the Corinthians were unbelievers?

Just as there are no more scriptures being written, there are no more signs with tongues to "this people".

Again, the sign was given to "this people", and it was given during the laying of the foundation. The New Testament times were special times to say the least.

1 Corinthians 13:8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

See how tongues, prophecies, and new knowledge all go together?
The scriptures are finished. Tongues, prophecies, and new knowledge have all ceased. If they had not ceased, we would still be having scriptures being written.
If someone told me they have some new prophecies from God, some new knowledge, it would not be considered by me at all if it was not written in the Bible, for that is where we are to check out everything we are taught.


Tongues has ceased, because it was a sign, a testimony from God, during the laying of the foundation, we are even told it would cease, as would prophesies and new knowledge, for the tongue speaker spoke mysteries---they spoke new knowledge. No one is giving new knowledge from God anymore. There are the Mormons who believe God gave new knowledge, and they have two more books with this new knowledge that no one should accept.

Tongue speakers spoke mysteries:

1 Corinthians 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Colossians 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:


The mysteries have already been revealed.

Ephesians 3:3-9

3 that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. 4 In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets.

7 I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power. 8 Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, 9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.

Jesus said it to his apostles, and Paul became an apostle.

Jesus said things to his apostles, things that were meant just for them, it does not mean everything he ever said to the apostles weren't for anyone else.

It is was a prophecy fulfilled, and, it also caused unbelievers to believe, for they heard the gospel being spoken in earthly languages by people who had not known the earthly foreign languages.


Jesus said that to his apostles that were sent, as he was sent. Not all are sent as his apostles were sent.

John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.


They taught the scriptures verbally, even before they were written. We cannot do that.

It is not an amendment to give you more information, as if I changed something.


Jesus is the church. There are not even churches anymore as there were during the laying of the foundation.

Some gifts have not ceased, and some gifts have ceased.

Dear God's Truth,
I could go point by point again, but to me you are clearly set in your ways, and because of this, you misread what I write to you. This failure to understand what I write, leaves me no alternative, but to put this discussion into the category of "agree to disagree".

Thank-fully this is not a topic by which one would say that being on one side or the other as it pertains to Tongues will place one's Salvation into question. Alleluia!

With that being said, please don't reply back to this response.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[MedicBravo]

No.
We are not saved by works. Pretty sure there are many Christians who never did and are in Heaven.
By that assumption since it is a Gift and no common then more of us are lost.

 

[God's Truth]

No.
We are not saved by works. Pretty sure there are many Christians who never did and are in Heaven.
By that assumption since it is a Gift and no common then more of us are lost.

We are saved by obeying what Jesus tells us to do. He doesn't tell us all to speak in tongues.
Tongues ceased when prophesies and new knowledge ceased.

You agree?

 

[God's Truth]

Dear God's Truth,
I could go point by point again, but to me you are clearly set in your ways, and because of this, you misread what I write to you. This failure to understand what I write, leaves me no alternative, but to put this discussion into the category of "agree to disagree".

Thank-fully this is not a topic by which one would say that being on one side or the other as it pertains to Tongues will place one's Salvation into question. Alleluia!

With that being said, please don't reply back to this response.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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How do you know you are not the one who misunderstands and misreads and fails to understand?

 

[Christ4Ever]

With that being said, please don't reply back to this response.

How do you know you are not the one who misunderstands and misreads and fails to understand?

Dear God's Truth,
Clearly, you're the one that has issues with accepting and moving forward when you have differences with another. This is made evident by you having the need to reply to me when I politely asked you not to.

You would do well to leave well enough alone.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[God's Truth]

Dear God's Truth,
Clearly, you're the one that has issues with accepting and moving forward when you have differences with another. This is made evident by you having the need to reply to me when I politely asked you not to.

You would do well to leave well enough alone.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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So you get to tell someone something untrue about them and they just need to shut up?

 

[MedicBravo]

We are saved by obeying what Jesus tells us to do. He doesn't tell us all to speak in tongues.
Tongues ceased when prophesies and new knowledge ceased.

You agree?

Yes.
I've read the claims of so many who say they've seen and heard it and others who claim they have and can do it on command.
In every video I've seen where someone is doing it, they're making it up. There's so much repetitive words and jumbled mess there's no way it's a language. Hearing "na" 10 times in a row that's just a lie.

 

[God's Truth]

Yes.
I've read the claims of so many who say they've seen and heard it and others who claim they have and can do it on command.
In every video I've seen where someone is doing it, they're making it up. There's so much repetitive words and jumbled mess there's no way it's a language. Hearing "na" 10 times in a row that's just a lie.

I agree.
It was a sign to the Jews who spoke in many different languages. It was real languages. The sign was given. Tongues have ceased.

 

[MedicBravo]

I agree.
It was a sign to the Jews who spoke in many different languages. The sign was given. Tongues have ceased.

If it were to be given I would love to be present but if people read and understood their Bible they'd know who is and isn't doing it.

 

[God's Truth]

If it were to be given I would love to be present but if people read and understood their Bible they'd know who is and isn't doing it.

Are you saying you believe that some people still speak in tongues supernaturally?

 

[Christ4Ever]

So you get to tell someone something untrue about them and they just need to shut up?

Dear God's Truth,
I could go point by point again, but to me you are clearly set in your ways, and because of this, you misread what I write to you. This failure to understand what I write, leaves me no alternative, but to put this discussion into the category of "agree to disagree".

Thank-fully this is not a topic by which one would say that being on one side or the other as it pertains to Tongues will place one's Salvation into question. Alleluia!

With that being said, please don't reply back to this response.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Dear God's Truth,
Clearly, you're the one that has issues with accepting and moving forward when you have differences with another. This is made evident by you having the need to reply to me when I politely asked you not to.

You would do well to leave well enough alone.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Dear God's Truth,
I guess you'll just have to accept it, if that is how you have read my responses to you as being.
As I've said twice now, "don't reply back" and "leave well enough alone".
If you do respond to this, I'll be letting a Moderator (me) know that you are badgering me and would appreciate it if you were given a warning.
I hope I've been clear enough for you to have no misunderstanding!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[MedicBravo]

Are you saying you believe that some people still speak in tongues supernaturally?

No.
No person has the authority Jesus has today. People who "claim" to without evidence is flawed. Many also misinterpret any verses of it.
I wish I had the video but one guy "acted" like he was and was speaking an earth language. Forgot what it was but a guy who was there it was his native language and he understood everything. The guy was saying things praising Satan and evil and they did not like when he called him out on it.

 

[Twistie]

No.
No person has the authority Jesus has today. People who "claim" to without evidence is flawed. Many also misinterpret any verses of it.
I wish I had the video but one guy "acted" like he was and was speaking an earth language. Forgot what it was but a guy who was there it was his native language and he understood everything. The guy was saying things praising Satan and evil and they did not like when he called him out on it.

Excuse the butt in but they also seem to throw away the words that their should b two people who can say what they speaking in their so called "tongue"

I believe most the people who r being deceived are those who see words and not Hear the Spirit why its written
Let those who have Ears Hear what the good Lord is saying ‍

 

[Bethel]

As a minister I run into this situation a ton, or situations that relate to it
To answer the question directly, NO...you do not 'have to' speak in tongues to be saved.
BUT,
it SURE DOES HELP in your Christian walk!

1) So, to get through the "are tongues even for today" premise, I propose the following link :
Scientific Study on people talking in tongues
The link goes into quite some detail but the 'bottom line' is that those in the study 'can't understand how anybody does it' (talks in tongues..) because 'the sound that comes out of their mouth' DOES NOT come from the part of the brain where speech originates

2) Next, the following link has a lot of info but it also has specific further info on the details of 'speaking in tongues, how to ask for the gift of tongues, etc. etc."
Christian Resource Blog

Last, I realize that 'tongues' is a 'hot topic' in Christianity but as a minister I feel I "MUST" use every rooftop ["platform"] and proclaim the stuff I feel the Lord has taught me, to help folks [you know... the 'job' of a minister..to "help folks" ]

I don't know where you stand whoever is reading this post on "where we are in God's timetable' BUT..I think all would agree that the 'world stage' is SURE getting ramped up for some big things coming...

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. . . and Jesus said , in Acts 1:8 " But ye shall receive POWER, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth"

. . . and Peter said in Acts 2:39 " The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

There is a big time spiritual war going on all around us and more and more of Gods people will simply need the "power" Jesus spoke of..in order to 'finish their own individual races the Lord has given to each of us..'

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Lord, I pray in Jesus name you let this post go far and wide to help spread your Word and eliminate questions and confusion about the topic !!

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Let Gods LOVE permeate this website !!

Amen ??

Jesus never spoke in Tongues.

Also, most Charismatic-Pentecostals, do not understand that what Peter did in Acts 2, is not what you think you are doing in your church, or when you are alone.
THAT, is a prayer language, which is NOT the 'Gift of Tongues".
The Gift of Tongues, is to be able to speak a foreign language...."tongue", that you have never learned.
Notice that Peter did this in Acts 2, and they who heard it said.....>"we hear in our own LANGUAGE".
See that?
Thats the SIGN GIFT.......that is what the JEWS require......"as Tongues are for a SIGN", and "Jews require a SIGN">.....so, during Pentecost, Peter the JEW, was preaching to JEWS, and God gave him this Supernatural ability .
= "the GIFT of TONGUES".

 

[God's Truth]

No.
No person has the authority Jesus has today. People who "claim" to without evidence is flawed. Many also misinterpret any verses of it.
I wish I had the video but one guy "acted" like he was and was speaking an earth language. Forgot what it was but a guy who was there it was his native language and he understood everything. The guy was saying things praising Satan and evil and they did not like when he called him out on it.

Wow, someone did that and everyone listening were thinking he was speaking good?