Jesus maker of the universe.

[Jarhead0311]

The maker of the universe, as man for man was made a curse:
The claims of laws which He had made, unto the uttermost He paid.
His holy fingers made the bough which grew the thorns that crowned His brow:
The nails that pierced His feet were mined in secret places He designed.
He made the forests where there sprung, the tree on which His body hung:
He died upon a cross of wood, yet made the hill on which it stood.
The sky that darkened o’er His head, by Him above the earth was spread:
The sun that hid from Him his face, by His decree was poised in space.
The spear revealing precious blood was tempered in the fires of God:
The grave in which His form was laid, was hewn in rock which He had made.

 

[Jarhead0311]

Fredrick William Pitt wrote the poem maker of the universe.

 

[Keithw]

The maker of the universe, as man for man was made a curse:
The claims of laws which He had made, unto the uttermost He paid.
His holy fingers made the bough which grew the thorns that crowned His brow:
The nails that pierced His feet were mined in secret places He designed.
He made the forests where there sprung, the tree on which His body hung:
He died upon a cross of wood, yet made the hill on which it stood.
The sky that darkened o’er His head, by Him above the earth was spread:
The sun that hid from Him his face, by His decree was poised in space.
The spear revealing precious blood was tempered in the fires of God:
The grave in which His form was laid, was hewn in rock which He had made.

If you read Proverbs 8 = Gods master worker = Jesus--God created it all, God is the only one with power. He created all other things through Jesus. The being speaking at Prov 8 is the one God sent to earth. He tells you he was created at Prov 8 as well Coll 1:15= The FIRSTBORN of all creation. The real reason Jesus teaches-John 20:17, Rev 3:12

 

[PloughBoy]

If you read Proverbs 8 = Gods master worker = Jesus--God created it all, God is the only one with power. He created all other things through Jesus. The being speaking at Prov 8 is the one God sent to earth. He tells you he was created at Prov 8 as well Coll 1:15= The FIRSTBORN of all creation. The real reason Jesus teaches-John 20:17, Rev 3:12

Jesus is not a Creation.

Your quote:
“He tells you he was created at Prov 8 as well Coll 1:15= The FIRSTBORN of all creation.”

There is absolutely nothing wrong with The “Text in Question”

It is your “assessment” of The “Text” that you are “prescribing to” to arrive at your out come.

And it is understandable of your out come.

Near, but not “Hitting The Mark”

 

[Jarhead0311]

If you read Proverbs 8 = Gods master worker = Jesus--God created it all, God is the only one with power. He created all other things through Jesus. The being speaking at Prov 8 is the one God sent to earth. He tells you he was created at Prov 8 as well Coll 1:15= The FIRSTBORN of all creation. The real reason Jesus teaches-John 20:17, Rev 3:12

If you read John 1:1, 1:14 8:58 , 20:28 you will see that Jesus is much more than you think He is.

 

[Keithw]

Jesus is not a Creation.

Your quote:
“He tells you he was created at Prov 8 as well Coll 1:15= The FIRSTBORN of all creation.”

There is absolutely nothing wrong with The “Text in Question”

It is your “assessment” of The “Text” that you are “prescribing to” to arrive at your out come.

And it is understandable of your out come.

Near, but not “Hitting The Mark”

Your translations are altered by satans will to mislead. That is why there is so much confusion concerning Jesus. He started 1 single religion. a true mark = 1 Cor 1:10- Unity of thought( all of Gods 1 truth) no division.--Yet there are 34,000 different religions claiming to be christian. Jesus is with 1.

 

[Keithw]

If you read John 1:1, 1:14 8:58 , 20:28 you will see that Jesus is much more than you think He is.

In error filled translations. Many bibles in history had- a god or was divine in the last line at John 1:1- a god is correct. In the Greek lexicons-The true God is called Ho Theos in the second line, plain Theos is in the last line clearly showing a difference of what each is being called.
In 1822 a NT translation compared the Greek to the English side by side, proving a god was correct. All those translations were rejected by trinity religions because truth exposes them as false.

 

[PloughBoy]

Your translations are altered by satans will to mislead. That is why there is so much confusion concerning Jesus. He started 1 single religion. a true mark = 1 Cor 1:10- Unity of thought( all of Gods 1 truth) no division.--Yet there are 34,000 different religions claiming to be christian. Jesus is with 1.

I feel sorry for you. Big Time!

And guess what? I Ain’t going to argue with you, neither Am I going to try to convince you!

Every Tub, is going to have to sit on his own “Tub”!

And “OOPS” will Not Be My”Eternal Epitaph”

And you can Bet your Dime Store Comic book on That!

 

[Jarhead0311]

In error filled translations. Many bibles in history had- a god or was divine in the last line at John 1:1- a god is correct. In the Greek lexicons-The true God is called Ho Theos in the second line, plain Theos is in the last line clearly showing a difference of what each is being called.
In 1822 a NT translation compared the Greek to the English side by side, proving a god was correct. All those translations were rejected by trinity religions because truth exposes them as false.

Another words if you don’t like a verse just change it, got ya.

 

[Bethel]

In error filled translations. Many bibles in history had- a god or was divine in the last line at John 1:1- a god is correct. In the Greek lexicons-The true God is called Ho Theos in the second line, plain Theos is in the last line clearly showing a difference of what each is being called.
In 1822 a NT translation compared the Greek to the English side by side, proving a god was correct. All those translations were rejected by trinity religions because truth exposes them as false.

John 1:10 Says that Jesus......>Not God the Father.........created the "world".

Upon seeing Jesus for the first time after He was resurrected, Thomas kneeled and said....>"my Lord and My God"........... and Jesus didn't correct him.

Many fake bibles falsely and inaccurately mistranslate 1 Timothy 3:16, as "he was manifested in the Flesh".... The Correct Translation is...." GOD, was manifested in the flesh".

Jesus told the Pharisees ......"Before Abraham was ......I AM". ..........> "I AM" is God's own designation for Himself that He gave MOSES, from the burning Bush...... when Moses ask about it.

 

[Jarhead0311]

John 1:10 Says that Jesus......>Not God the Father.........created the "world".

Upon seeing Jesus for the first time after He was resurrected, Thomas kneeled and said....>"my Lord and My God"........... and Jesus didn't correct him.

Many fake bibles falsely and inaccurately mistranslate 1 Timothy 3:16, as "he was manifested in the Flesh".... The Correct Translation is...." GOD, was manifested in the flesh".

Jesus told the Pharisees ......"Before Abraham was ......I AM". ..........> "I AM" is God's own designation for Himself that He gave MOSES, from the burning Bush...... when Moses ask about it.

Good post and correct.

 

[Br. Bear]

Your translations are altered by satans will to mislead. That is why there is so much confusion concerning Jesus. He started 1 single religion. a true mark = 1 Cor 1:10- Unity of thought( all of Gods 1 truth) no division.--Yet there are 34,000 different religions claiming to be christian. Jesus is with 1.

Morning Keith,

hear what you are saying.

Thanks for your posts.
Iron sharpens Iron but often we don't recognize God's hand in the doing

Keep the Faith


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

 

[Keithw]

I feel sorry for you. Big Time!

And guess what? I Ain’t going to argue with you, neither Am I going to try to convince you!

Every Tub, is going to have to sit on his own “Tub”!

And “OOPS” will Not Be My”Eternal Epitaph”

And you can Bet your Dime Store Comic book on That!

Try believing Jesus--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--all his true followers do. Like this super important teaching-Matt 6:33- Therefore, keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness, and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)-- He as well tells all how to serve the true God properly-John 4:22-24--only the Father.

 

[Keithw]

John 1:10 Says that Jesus......>Not God the Father.........created the "world".

Upon seeing Jesus for the first time after He was resurrected, Thomas kneeled and said....>"my Lord and My God"........... and Jesus didn't correct him.

Many fake bibles falsely and inaccurately mistranslate 1 Timothy 3:16, as "he was manifested in the Flesh".... The Correct Translation is...." GOD, was manifested in the flesh".

Jesus told the Pharisees ......"Before Abraham was ......I AM". ..........> "I AM" is God's own designation for Himself that He gave MOSES, from the burning Bush...... when Moses ask about it.

Your translations are erred. Jesus did tell the pharisees he lived before Abraham. Your teachers twist it because of a mistranslation in the OT. It is 100% fact-There is no i am that i am in the Hebrew written OT--I will be what i will be is the correct translating of that statement. But your religions use that mistranslated line to try to say Jesus was saying he was God, but he just answered the question honestly, that is all. The Israelite teachers back then, never said a truth about Jesus, they hated Jesus.

 

[Keithw]

The true God is referring to him that is true, not Jesus. Jesus calls his Father( one who sent him) THE ONLY TRUE GOD at John 17:3

 

[Samson2020]

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto MY FATHER, and YOUR FATHER,
and to MY GOD, and YOUR GOD.

John 5:19 Then Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The SON CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF, but what HE SEETH THE FATHER DO: for what things
soever He doeth, these also the Son doeth likewise.

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not MINE OWN WILL, but the WILL OF THE FATHER which HATH SENT ME.

John 17:7 Now they have known that ALL THINGS whatsoever THOU HAST GIVEN ME are of thee.

John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast GIVEN ME; for they are thine.

John 17:11 ..................Holy Father keep through THINE OWN NAME those whom though hast GIVEN ME, that they MAY BE ONE, AS WE ARE.

1 Co 6:17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one Spirit with Him.


I would think that these verses, MOSTLY RED LETTER VERSES, should suffice to say that everything is of GOD and IS GODS until He gave it to Jesus.

There is no way I know of to empty oneself and become a servant without laying down your OWN WILL and doing the WILL of THE FATHER, which He did and commends us to
do the same. If He has a will and it is not the same as the Fathers then He cannot be the Father as there are 2 separate wills.
He asks of the Father and receives from the Father, He goes to the Father whom He calls HIS GOD. Don't see how it could be more plain that He Himself is not the ONLY TRUE GOD.

John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, THAT THEY MAY KNOW YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom YOU have sent."

In Jesus' own words YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD!!!!!!! What does that mean as we know that the Father called the Son God when He said "Thy throne O God is forever........"

The Father GAVE Life to the Son to have within Himself thus making Him the spitting Image in all likeness of His Father thus He became "a God" according to what His Father has said
of Him. John 5:26
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said He (God) at any time, Thou art MY Son, THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE? And again, I will be to Him a Father, and He shall
be to me a Son? THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE! What day was that? The day Jesus was baptized with the Holy Ghost at Jordan becoming the very first MAN to ever be
spiritually born of the Spirit of God. The second birth, "What is born of the flesh is flesh, what is born of the spirit is spirit."
Most do not realize the OT was a marriage contract in that if anyone could keep the law then God would have children, SPIRITUALLY of them.
The only one who ever did, or was able, was Jesus, and thus He was the first ever spiritually begotten Son of God.
When sacrificed for the sin of the world, God His Father, sacrificed not just a Human but the only Spiritually born Son of God thus the sacrifice was much greater than a mere
sacrifice of a human man.

I believe we miss the fact that when Jesus was raised from the dead, by the Father, and glorified, Jesus became a life giving spirit, this is something He was not before that time.
At His glorification He became the first ever Spiritually matured Son of the ONLY TRUE GOD who pronounced Him to be the same as Himself, kind after kind, with one exception,
that being that when all things are put under Jesus' feet God Himself is not, as Jesus' God and Father is Higher than He.

1 Co 15:45 1Co 15:27

 

[Jarhead0311]

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto MY FATHER, and YOUR FATHER,
and to MY GOD, and YOUR GOD.

John 5:19 Then Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The SON CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF, but what HE SEETH THE FATHER DO: for what things
soever He doeth, these also the Son doeth likewise.

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not MINE OWN WILL, but the WILL OF THE FATHER which HATH SENT ME.

John 17:7 Now they have known that ALL THINGS whatsoever THOU HAST GIVEN ME are of thee.

John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast GIVEN ME; for they are thine.

John 17:11 ..................Holy Father keep through THINE OWN NAME those whom though hast GIVEN ME, that they MAY BE ONE, AS WE ARE.

1 Co 6:17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one Spirit with Him.


I would think that these verses, MOSTLY RED LETTER VERSES, should suffice to say that everything is of GOD and IS GODS until He gave it to Jesus.

There is no way I know of to empty oneself and become a servant without laying down your OWN WILL and doing the WILL of THE FATHER, which He did and commends us to
do the same. If He has a will and it is not the same as the Fathers then He cannot be the Father as there are 2 separate wills.
He asks of the Father and receives from the Father, He goes to the Father whom He calls HIS GOD. Don't see how it could be more plain that He Himself is not the ONLY TRUE GOD.

John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, THAT THEY MAY KNOW YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ whom YOU have sent."

In Jesus' own words YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD!!!!!!! What does that mean as we know that the Father called the Son God when He said "Thy throne O God is forever........"

The Father GAVE Life to the Son to have within Himself thus making Him the spitting Image in all likeness of His Father thus He became "a God" according to what His Father has said
of Him. John 5:26
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said He (God) at any time, Thou art MY Son, THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE? And again, I will be to Him a Father, and He shall
be to me a Son? THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE! What day was that? The day Jesus was baptized with the Holy Ghost at Jordan becoming the very first MAN to ever be
spiritually born of the Spirit of God. The second birth, "What is born of the flesh is flesh, what is born of the spirit is spirit."
Most do not realize the OT was a marriage contract in that if anyone could keep the law then God would have children, SPIRITUALLY of them.
The only one who ever did, or was able, was Jesus, and thus He was the first ever spiritually begotten Son of God.
When sacrificed for the sin of the world, God His Father, sacrificed not just a Human but the only Spiritually born Son of God thus the sacrifice was much greater than a mere
sacrifice of a human man.

I believe we miss the fact that when Jesus was raised from the dead, by the Father, and glorified, Jesus became a life giving spirit, this is something He was not before that time.
At His glorification He became the first ever Spiritually matured Son of the ONLY TRUE GOD who pronounced Him to be the same as Himself, kind after kind, with one exception,
that being that when all things are put under Jesus' feet God Himself is not, as Jesus' God and Father is Higher than He.

1 Co 15:45 1Co 15:27

Tunnel vision only allows you to see a part of the whole picture.

Jhn 2:19 - Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

Tunnel vision only allows you to see a part of the whole picture.

Jhn 2:19 - Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

can you please expand on this?


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

The true God is referring to him that is true, not Jesus. Jesus calls his Father( one who sent him) THE ONLY TRUE GOD at John 17:3

as in, Faithful and True...

I wonder how frustrated the Lord could get watching those who truely want to serve Him getting all definite on opposing sides of the same side?

If I went to an art gallery with you and we were both looking at a display on a stand, you would be correct to tell what you saw from your side, as i would be from mine..... but....
[same goes for anyone else]

Jesus is the Lord


Bless you ....><>