What Did Jesus Mean by It is Finished and It is Done? | Prophecy Talk Your welcome. Rather than me type a 100 page essay , I prefer to use the work of others.
The mission he was sent by God to do!
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Alas! You're teaching Jesus NEVER died....
He's not saying that at all...He's saying what the Bible says.
He's not saying that at all...He's saying what the Bible says.
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You mean Jesus
DIED, not
alive for 3 days?
Speaking of the Book of Enoch......Has anybody read Max Lucado; Billy Graham; Oswald Chambers; Watchman Nee; Chuck Swindol? They have a lot to say....
Speaking of the Book of Enoch......Has anybody read Max Lucado; Billy Graham; Oswald Chambers; Watchman Nee; Chuck Swindol? They have a lot to say....
Nice Diversion.
No...I have a point Christians run away from the Book of Enoch because its not canon....Yet they read all sorts of other books that are not canon....Seems to me somebody is scaring them off from reading that book for a reason.... and Christians are good at running away and making it look like a righteous thing.
Well then, forgive me!
Now back to- You mean Jesus
DIED, not
alive for 3 days?
Well then, forgive me!
Now back to- You mean Jesus DIED, not alive for 3 days?
John 2:16-19 (KJV) And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house a house of merchandise.
And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.
Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign showest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
John 2: 9 9 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
1 Corinthians 15:3-4 or I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
signifying on a particular day he will rise up, his chosen
John 2:16-19 (KJV) And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house a house of merchandise.
And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.
Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign showest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
John 2: 9 9 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
1 Corinthians 15:3-4 or I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Oh COME ON! That old church ploy!
But I'm GAME!
How could he resurrect himself if DEAD?
And, why would he resurrect himself if living the whole time?
Answer:
"John 10:17- Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my
LIFE, that I might take it again.
[ NOTE: AGAIN Jesus himself said it was his LIFE. Not just the body. He then EXPLAINS how he "takes it again"-]
18-"No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again......This >>>> COMMANDMENT (Greek "entile") <<<<< have I received
of my Father."
Note it was NOT by his OWN authority, as one of Three Gods~ entile: injunction: an order from a court of law that says something must be done or must not be done .
So Jesus did NOT resurrect himself- for he was DEAD. He DIED. He was NOT ALIVE.
But he DID bring about it by dying "faithful unto death"
Oh COME ON! That old church ploy!
But I'm GAME!
How could he resurrect himself if DEAD?
And, why would he resurrect himself if living the whole time?
Transcendence
God the Father raised him from the dead on the 3rd day.
And there are no 'hidden nuggets' in the book of Enoch. That book and a number of others were taken out for good reason. Take aoment to Google the list of qualifications for TR he books to be in the Canon.
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None knew where God took him- but it wasn't Heaven, per Jesus statement!
He was included in the list.
Heb 11:13- These all died in faith, not having received what was promised, but having seen it and greeted it from afar, and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.
Yes it is appointed for all men to die once. No double jeopardy second trial needed . The three day and night propmised outward fleshly demonstration of the lamb of God slain from Genesis the foundation is over.
This is interesting....You're mixing bible with mythology here...Makes an interesting story but....skip the mythology ok?
I would not call it mixing bible with mythology but rather how do we rightly divide the series of parables (3 chapters in a row) all coming to same spiritual understanding . All parables are teaching parables. Teaching us how to walk by faith the unseen eternal, and not after the temporal seen. .
Beginning in Chapter 15. . hundred sheep preaching the theme throughout a series of parables informing us . . "no man can serve two good teaching masters as one unseen lord ", The theme revealed in Chapter 16 :13 , the conclusion of the the series , Abraham . . .( the father of all the nations of the world) and Lazarus . . (God has helped) ending in Chapter 17 the witness to the law. . no man
can serve two good teaching masters as one Lord.
The Jews denied all things written in the law and the prophets(sola scriptura) as they communicated with those dead relatives as workers with familiar disembodied spirit gods . Coming for the faithless Jew of that day . Just as today called patron saints by some.
In respect to their false belief .
The Holy Spirit set up a law of interpretation that prohibits the idea of serving another teaching master as Lord. . He placed a void between one communication form to another to either party .
The law . The law and the prophets (the testimony) . Sola scriptura is woven throughout the whole series of parables over and over. No man can serve two good teaching masters as one Lord
Luke 16: 16-31 The
law and the
prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named
Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the
rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the
rich man also died, and was buried;And
in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth
Abraham afar off, and
Lazarus in his bosom. And
he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and
send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed:
so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then
he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto
him, They have
Moses and the
prophets; (sola scriptura) let
them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but
if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And
he said unto
him, If they
hear not
Moses and the
prophets, neither will
they be persuaded, though
one rose from
the dead.
They still having no faith that could please God insisted if they saw one come back from the dead (walk by sight) then they would believe the true master . Not given the understanding of the parable, the mystery of faith, the power to believe the one master as
it is
written .
No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God as it is written and mammon, the wisdom of this world under the god thereof .
Yes it is appointed for all men to die once. No double jeopardy second trial needed
Heb 9:27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and
after this comes judgment,
John 5:28; "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which
all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
John 5:29; and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to
a resurrection of judgment.
2Cor 5:10; For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
Rev 21:8; "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars,
their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
Yes it is appointed for all men to die once. No double jeopardy second trial needed . The three day and night propmised outward fleshly demonstration of the lamb of God slain from Genesis the foundation is over.
It says they DIED- even Enoch!
It says they DIED- even Enoch!
Where does it say Enoch "died".
Wasn't Enoch 'taken'. And he was no more. And / or Elijah were taken up by God. Which means they did not die.
Wasn't Enoch 'taken'. And he was no more. And / or Elijah were taken up by God. Which means they did not die.
All according to church dogma, not biblical.
I seem to recall Elijah mentioned in another land after God had taken him...
