many or few?

[Reba1]

@Reba1 -- there is the promised land that God gave to Abram -- your passage. The Children of Israel. God's chosen people. Jesus Came from the tribe of Judah. Jews.

They became a Recognized nation in 1948. No one ever thought That would happen.

Actually the event begins back in Genesis 12 -- to the land of Canaan. And then Abram moved them to Bethel. But the promise is repeated in chapter 17 Abram's name is changed to Abraham and Sarai becomes Sarah.
Abraham would become the father of many nations.

Yup agreed What does that have to do with the size of the land mass? Did God fulfill His promise as He says in Joshua?

 

[Sue D.]

Are you referring to the Gaza Strip?

God always fulfills His promises.

 

[Reba1]

Are you referring to the Gaza Strip?

God always fulfills His promises.

No i am referring to Scripture . You said God always fulfills His Promises I agree that is a good part of the reason i do not believe God had His hand in the modern State of Israel. Those boundaries are not what God promised .

 

[Sue D.]

@Reba1 -- the only other passage I know to share with you -- just relocated it. Genesis 13: 14 "And the Lord said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him: "lift your eyes now and look from the place where you are -- northward, southward, eastward, and westward; vs 15 for all the land which you see I give to you and your descendants forever."

The Gaza strip is part of Scripture.

Israel = Jews = God's Chosen people.

That's all I know to share.

 

[Reba1]

When we say the covenant with Abram was for ever. We know God is not slack in His promises. Why don't they have all the land of the promise? I say because the covenant was conditional.

 

[Sue D.]

@Reba1 -- look up the Abrahamic Covenant -- it's unconditional -- there's an article "What is the Abrahamic Covenant" with Got Questians -- a very good explanation. There are 5 areas to be considered. They Will have all the land promised.

 

[Reba1]

@Reba1 -- look up the Abrahamic Covenant -- it's unconditional -- there's an article "What is the Abrahamic Covenant" with Got Questians -- a very good explanation. There are 5 areas to be considered. They Will have all the land promised.

Sue Ever tell your child IF you wash the dishes i will pay you $2.00 . Or something like You know your allowance depends on you doing your chores. If you want to drive the car keep your grads up ? Those are conditions.

I try to always list chapter and verse so the context can be read in full.

Gen 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Gen 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
Gen 17:9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
Gen 17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
Gen 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Gen 18:18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
Gen 18:19 For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.


Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws

Lev 26:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
Lev 26:41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
Lev 26:42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

Deu 7:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:


Gen17:7 tells us this is an everlasting covenant. Bible history and world history shows us it was not everlasting . They do not have that land today. God is faithful in His promises . It was not God that broke the covenant it was them.

Moving on to Joshua , the book is full of details How Josh trusted the Lord and how they were blessed

Jos 21:43 And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
Jos 21:44 And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand.
Jos 21:45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

Because of the Scriptures posted , and others , i understand the promise/covenant with Abram/Abraham to base on conditions . I also see/read there in Joshua god kept His part.

 

[Reba1]

A simple search of the words 'nation and Israel' shows the Children of Israel / Israelites / Jews what ever the name were are a nation of peoples . It is not the land that makes a nation it is the peoples .

Rom 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. .... The land is not foolish

Exo_19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
1Pe_2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light

The land does not become priests the people do. The dirt or sand buildings are not holy .

 

[Sue D.]

@Reba1

The same way that this country -- the United States of America -- it's the people that make up this country / the various states in this country / the people in them. But without the land there would be no state or country. They go hand-in-hand.

The article I was sharing with you explains what I'm talking about better than I can -- even with Scripture -- the article explains with Scripture that which I'm talking about. I'm hoping you'll take a few minutes to look it up and share your thoughts on it.

 

[Reba1]

If your travel to Canada or Mexico are you still an American,

Your post says nothing about the Scriptures showing the covenant was conditional ,
Yes my plan is to read the article and compare it to scripture

 

[Sue D.]

@Reba1 -- As an American citizen, I would be leaving that geographical area and going to the geographical area of Canada or Mexico.

The article I'm talking about Does say the covenant was Unconditonal.

Good -- will look forward to your comments.

 

[Reba1]

From got questions
"The Bible speaks of seven different covenants, four of which (Abrahamic, Palestinian, Mosaic, Davidic) God made with the nation of Israel. Of those four, three are unconditional in nature; that is, regardless of Israel’s obedience or disobedience, God still will fulfill these covenants with Israel. One of the covenants, the Mosaic Covenant, is conditional in nature. That is, this covenant will bring either blessing or cursing depending on Israel’s obedience or disobedience. Three of the covenants (Adamic, Noahic, New) are made between God and mankind in general, and are not limited to the nation of Israel. "

See post#588

Abrahamic Covenant (Genesis 12:1-3, 6-7; 13:14-17; 15; 17:1-14; 22:15-18). In this covenant, God promised many things to Abraham. He personally promised that He would make Abraham’s name great (Genesis 12:2), that Abraham would have numerous physical descendants (Genesis 13:16), and that he would be the father of a multitude of nations (Genesis 17:4-5). God also made promises regarding a nation called Israel. In fact, the geographical boundaries of the Abrahamic Covenant are laid out on more than one occasion in the book of Genesis (12:7; 13:14-15; 15:18-21). Another provision in the Abrahamic Covenant is that the families of the world will be blessed through the physical line of Abraham (Genesis 12:3; 22:18). This is a reference to the Messiah, who would come from the line of Abraham.

See the Scriptures in Post 588

got questions is smack down the dispensational line, Dispensational teaching divides God's kids into them and us . Our Lord says
Rom_10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

 

[Beetow]

• 1Kings 22:18-23 . . I saw Jehovah sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven
standing by Him on His right and on His left. And Jehovah said: Who will entice
Ahab to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead? And one said this while another said that.

. . .Then a spirit came forward and stood before Jehovah and said: I will entice him.

. . . And Jehovah said to him: How?

. . . And he said; I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his
prophets.

. . .Then He said: You are to entice him and also prevail. Go and do so.

. . . Now therefore, behold, Jehovah has put a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all
these your prophets; and Jehovah has proclaimed disaster against you.

That is a very strange alliance. God actually recruited someone from the demon
world to do some dirty work for Him: a black op, so to speak. That suggests to me
that the demon world is neither totally useless nor totally in Satan's control; some
are actually assets, which can be defined as something useful in an effort to foil or
defeat an enemy: such as a piece of military equipment, a spy, or an assassin.

It's likely that God still manages some of His affairs like that even today when He
wants certain individuals destroyed without getting His hands dirty. For example
from post No.1 it's seen that some folks are on a road to Hell while others are on a
road to something better, i.e. the few and the many. I really have to wonder if
maybe some of those many on the road to Hell weren't talked into going that way
by spirits recruited by God to do it for Him. Now that's scary. Can you just imagine
the horror of being targeted like that and not aware of it! (cf. 2Thess 2:8-12)

UPDATE: 223 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 13,853,652 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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[B-A-C]

That is a very strange alliance. God actually recruited someone from the demon
world to do some dirty work for Him: a black op, so to speak. That suggests to me
that the demon world is neither totally useless nor totally in Satan's control; some
are actually assets, which can be defined as something useful in an effort to foil or
defeat an enemy: such as a piece of military equipment, a spy, or an assassin.

Is this so different from Job 1 and 2?

How about 1Sam 16:14; and 1Sam 19:9; or even 1Tim 1:20;

 

[Sue D.]

From got questions
"The Bible speaks of seven different covenants, four of which (Abrahamic, Palestinian, Mosaic, Davidic) God made with the nation of Israel. Of those four, three are unconditional in nature; that is, regardless of Israel’s obedience or disobedience, God still will fulfill these covenants with Israel. One of the covenants, the Mosaic Covenant, is conditional in nature. That is, this covenant will bring either blessing or cursing depending on Israel’s obedience or disobedience. Three of the covenants (Adamic, Noahic, New) are made between God and mankind in general, and are not limited to the nation of Israel. "

See post#588

Abrahamic Covenant (Genesis 12:1-3, 6-7; 13:14-17; 15; 17:1-14; 22:15-18). In this covenant, God promised many things to Abraham. He personally promised that He would make Abraham’s name great (Genesis 12:2), that Abraham would have numerous physical descendants (Genesis 13:16), and that he would be the father of a multitude of nations (Genesis 17:4-5). God also made promises regarding a nation called Israel. In fact, the geographical boundaries of the Abrahamic Covenant are laid out on more than one occasion in the book of Genesis (12:7; 13:14-15; 15:18-21). Another provision in the Abrahamic Covenant is that the families of the world will be blessed through the physical line of Abraham (Genesis 12:3; 22:18). This is a reference to the Messiah, who would come from the line of Abraham.

See the Scriptures in Post 588

got questions is smack down the dispensational line, Dispensational teaching divides God's kids into them and us . Our Lord says
Rom_10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Okay -- well -- salvation is for All -- the Jews 1st and then to the rest of us.

Have you looked up what 'dispensation' means? Dispensationalism Is?

 

[Waggles]

That is a very strange alliance. God actually recruited someone from the demon
world to do some dirty work for Him: a black op, so to speak. That suggests to me
that the demon world is neither totally useless nor totally in Satan's control; some
are actually assets, which can be defined as something useful in an effort to foil or
defeat an enemy: such as a piece of military equipment, a spy, or an assassin.

There is nothing in these scriptures to indicate that God selected a demon or devil to do this
19 And Micai′ah said, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing beside him on his right hand and on his left;
20 and the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?’ And one said one thing, and another said another.
21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, saying, ‘I will entice him.’

 

[Reba1]

Okay -- well -- salvation is for All -- the Jews 1st and then to the rest of us.

Have you looked up what 'dispensation' means? Dispensationalism Is?

Agree Salvation is for all . You have yet to answer the questions i dont really expect you to do so.

Dispensation definition is - a general state or ordering of things; specifically : a system of revealed commands and promises regulating human affairs.
.
What is dispensationalism and is it biblical? | GotQuestions.org
Dispensationalism is a theological system that recognizes these ages ordained by God to order the affairs of the world. Dispensationalism has two primary distinctives: 1) a consistently literal interpretation of Scripture, especially Bible prophecy, and 2) a view of the uniqueness of Israel as separate from the Church in God's program

Dispensational Theology - The Gospel Coalition
Dispensational Theology - The Gospel Coalition
Developments Within Dispensationalism. Dispensationalism has developed from the time of Darby until today. Three general eras or forms of Dispensationalism have been recognized: (1) Classical or Traditional Dispensationalism (1830-1940s); (2) Revised Dispensationalism (1950s-1986); and (3) Progressive Dispensationalism (1986-present).

dispensationalists
Plural form of dispensationalist,

• adj.
  Of or pertaining to dispensationalism.
• n.
  A proponent of dispensationalism.

Reading Duet 7;12 uses the word IF here is the definition of the word IF

Definition of if
(Entry 1 of 2)
1a: in the event that
b: allowing that
c: on the assumption that
d: on condition that

Back to Scripture
1Co_9:17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but1 if against my will, a dispensationG3622 of the gospel is committed unto me.

G3622 From G3623; administration (of a household or estate); specifically a (religious) “economy”: - dispensation, stewardship
From G3624 and the base of G3551; a house distributor (that is, manager), or overseer, that is, an employee in that capacity; by extension a fiscal agent (treasurer); figuratively a preacher (of the Gospel): - chamberlain, governor, steward.

The word dispensation is found 4 times in the NT all four use the same Strongs number G3622

 

[Beetow]

• 1Kings 22:19 . . I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven
standing by him on his right hand and on his left.

The Hebrew word translated "heaven" is shamayim (shaw-mah'-yim) which first
appears in Gen 1:1, which states:

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

The plural form is useful when speaking of both aspects of the sky-- the atmosphere
where clouds abide, and the celestial void where astronomical objects abide.

The "host of heaven" mostly refers to celestial objects, e.g. the Sun, the Moon,
and all that shines at night, i.e. stars, planets, nebula, galaxies, meteors, etc. but
not always.

The host of heaven in 1Kings 22:19 is commonly assumed to be angels; but the
thing is; they're not all holy angels because one of them can't be trusted.

"A spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said: I will entice him.. . . I will
go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets." (1Kings 22:21-22)

Here lately I've begun to suspect that something very strange and unusual has
been influencing American politics; and I can't help but wonder if that same lying
spirit hasn't been active of late in the mouths of our government's brain trust,
subtly steering this country down a road to ruin. And if so, is God behind it like
when He was behind Ahab's ruin?
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[Beetow]

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[Sue D.]

@Reba1 -- I'm not really sure what the question is that I'm supposed to be trying to answer. I"ve never gotten into Dispensational Theology / The Gospel Coalition area.

But you Did look up the term 'dispensation' -- good. I suspect that That is different from what you were brought up with?