Married spiritually but not legally

[Rhema]

A license is the state giving a person permission to do something. For instance a person has to pass a driving test inorder to obtain a driver's license in order to drive a vehicle legally.

A common law living arrangement might be recognized by the state but it isn't legal biblically.

Hi Sue,

It would not really be beneficial for us to argue Law unless you've had some experience in this area. But perhaps I shouldn't presume, so where did you read law?

Now according to Case Law and Common Law, Marriage exists as a Right held by the people long antecedent to the creation of the State, and the State has no powers granted to it to deny such a Constitutional Right, and therefore cannot "give permission" for something over which it never had jurisdiction.

From a Federal perspective, this is covered by the 10th amendment of the Bill of RIGHTS.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.​

Given historical precedence, though, marriage would be HELD BY (not "granted to") the people as a RIGHT under the 1st amendment as Freedom of Religion, in that a Priest or Rabbi would typically preside over such a ceremony.

And I'm sure I don't need to tell you that the Bible existed way longer than the Constituted State Powers in the land. Common Law Marriage IS marriage. And Common Law IS Law. I would suggest you might wish to bone up on your Black's Law Dictionary over the holidays.

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Again, a marriage license is a signed waiver of rights held by the people granting the State permission to be a party of interest in the marriage contract so that an easy (non 12 person jury) divorce may be presided over by a judge.

Chao,
Rhema

 

[Sue D.]

@Rhema-- nope no law degree on my part.

Marriage is supposed to be taken more seriously than people do these days.

Years ago there was a young couple who's been dating for a while and wanted to get married. They applied for the marriage license and to their shock, he was already married. Turns out that years ago he had gotten to know a young lady , had gotten married on the spir of the moment. Not long after that regretted it and filed for divorce. Sent her the paperwork to sign and assumed she'd signed it,. Turns out she hadn't and when approached , she refused to. She had taken her vows all those years ago serious ly and as far as she was concerned , they were married until she died or until she changed her mind. He was in shock and broken hearted just as she was. He ended up leaving the area and she stayed local with her family.
And maybe a blood to make sure that relatives don't get married. No closer than second cousins.

And marriage does give various legal benefits.

But your approach to a license sort of takes away from the romance of it.

The State a party of interest on the marriage. I suppose so if a person wants to get really technical about it. But really. We follow the laws without really needing to disect them.

 

[Rhema]

@Rhema-- nope no law degree on my part.

Please seek advice of council, then.

Marriage is supposed to be taken more seriously than people do these days.

Says who? The Amish?

But your approach to a license sort of takes away from the romance of it.

It's not "my" approach. It was the intent of the institution of such laws to reduce friction for divorce. Anyone concerned should just have a prenup. signed. (So much for till death do you part.)

We follow the laws without really needing to disect them.

So then you follow something blindly without knowing what you're doing. Yep. Sounds like Americans and Christians to me.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

We follow the laws without really needing to disect them.

Hey !! I gotta bridge I think you'd love to buy !!!

Actually your words remind me of Pelosi saying "We have to pass this bill in order to find out what it says."

 

[Sue D.]

Well , if you feel the need to dissect things to pieces before accepting them, that's up to you.

But there are some things that a person accepts simply because that's life.

Blind faith? Well we weren't here when this world came into being, so a person accepts what God's Word says about it. People have come up with various theories over the years that don't make very much sense.

And I accept by faith that the airplane I'll be flying on will be okay. That the pilots know what they are doing.

Look up Hebrew 11:1. The by faith chapter. It tells us what faith is. And it isn't blind.

Your bio says you're from Pa which is in this country. Do you consider yourself to be an American or a Christian?

 

[Rhema]

But there are some things that a person accepts simply because that's life.

C'est la vie.

(very French)

Glad our forefathers of this country didn't think that way, or y'all would still be bowing to the Queen.

G'day,
Rhema

Do you consider yourself to be an American or a Christian?

Go pick your fight with someone else, ma'am.

 

[Sue D.]

I'm not picking a fight with anyone that I know of. Just responding back to your comments
Your comment about Americans and Christians. Sounded like you're distancing yourself from both groups.

And why bring in the Amish?

There are those who treat marriage more like dating. Get tired of one person and go on to another. And if a pregnancy happens , well....
Ya -+ no concept of commitment.

 

[Rhema]

And why bring in the Amish?

There are thousands who live around me. Do any live around you? It sounds like you are anti-Amish.

 

[Sue D.]

Nothing against the Amish. You sure do jump to conclusions based on nothing.

 

[Rhema]

You sure do jump to conclusions based on nothing.

Have a good day, Sue... bye !

 

[Sue D.]

Good bye to you, too

 

[Rhema]

Good bye to you, too

Right... I forgot. You're the one who has to have the last word.

 

[Sue D.]

Goodness sakes alive. I was just being sociable.

 

[Rhema]

(Sigh...)

 

[Bill]

A marriage license is indeed needed in every state to show that the two people can indeed get married legally. I just looked it up.

I dont know if its a world wide custom , to have a license. But it is world wide to have witnesses present at the union

 

[Bill]

Clinging to defining marriage as a state sanctioned marriage aka ceremony with church and family approval may feel good but with regard to the spiritual affect of a close intimate relationship, it doesn't make a bit of difference if you are married or not. And also sex is not required.

David had a closer relationship with Johnathan than he did his other 18 wives for example.

His other 18 wives ? Are you saying Jonathan was a wife ? ( emojie with wide open eyes )

 

[Bill]

Please seek advice of council, then.


Says who? The Amish?


It's not "my" approach. It was the intent of the institution of such laws to reduce friction for divorce. Anyone concerned should just have a prenup. signed. (So much for till death do you part.)


So then you follow something blindly without knowing what you're doing. Yep. Sounds like Americans and Christians to me.

Rhema

Till death do we part . ( so the spouse killing the partner IS legal ; P ) ( joking )

 

[joestue]

His other 18 wives ? Are you saying Jonathan was a wife ? ( emojie with wide open eyes )

You are free to interpret the Hebrew however you want lol

 

[Bill]

My dad used to say we can get married 16 x's . -------- 4 better , 4 worse , 4 richer , 4 poorer . ( smiling )

 

[Bill]

You are free to interpret the Hebrew however you want lol

I would say he loved his son in the proper way as a Father should love his children .

I do get discusted in this environment we live in now where every word seems to lead to a sexual thing . Or even the notion of men embracing is an auto jump to behavior that is not acceptible by God