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Married spiritually but not legally

You call Him God I suppose I Calls Him YH when speaking to others

His name is not to thrown around ya know it's just to Majestic how I see it

Could b an emotional thing

Lol

Twistie :broken_heart:
There are many "gods"
I am not making you a liar I'm speaking the Truth

But many refuse The Truth

You say u discern feelings n you say u need a man to speak the word to another for them to learn the word
Please tell me if I am wrong or I am assuming cause this is what I'm getting from your writings
You claim a man who whithers like the grass can teach /reveal spiritual lessons

So if me speaking the Truth is Calling u a liar idk what to tell u

I'm not trying to shame or argue but I'm tired of you attacking me n claiming I'm assuming I'm calling u a lier I mean come on

Like Calling the kettle black like my Nan use to say smh

I'm trying to learn to b nice people but some yall make it real hard

Js

Twistie :broken_heart:
You are in error.
And now you claim I am attacking you.
I hope this conversation is monitored since I cannot help you, you don't need help, you don't want help, and God is not using "flesh" as you say, so my suggestion is, ask God.

Johann
 
I am, ain't I
I am sure you know , but if you don't Yahweh is the name the Jews refer to God with. If you're talking about YH alone, then I would agree with you in the same way that I do not like seeing Xmas. As I think both forms are a way of not showing good respect to God or Jesus
 
I am sure you know , but if you don't Yahweh is the name the Jews refer to God with. If you're talking about YH alone, then I would agree with you in the same way that I do not like seeing Xmas. As I think both forms are a way of not showing good respect to God or Jesus

In agreement with you.
 
There are many "gods"

You are in error.
And now you claim I am attacking you.
I hope this conversation is monitored since I cannot help you, you don't need help, you don't want help, and God is not using "flesh" as you say, so my suggestion is, ask God.

Johann
My help comes from the Lord I will neva water down the Word that's just not me

Js

And it's your words I'm goin by

Twsiti6 :broken_heart:
 
My help comes from the Lord I will neva water down the Word that's just not me

Js

And it's your words I'm goin by

Twsiti6 :broken_heart:
There have been over the centuries others who claim to be a god, just like Lucifer did. And obviously those who followed Lucifer also followed his thinking of claiming to be a god.

You can see the effects of how others worshiped something else when Elijah came along and laughed at their priest of the false god. Showing all that wanted to see the true and one God.

I even think when Jesus spoke out loud saying "here o Israel, our God is One" that the statement is more far-reaching to not just the Israelites but others with their thinking of other gods.

Or in another place of scripture where it states "God Most High", that the statement is being made to everyone else as well saying there is no other g o d as Supreme as our God.

In my personal opinion there are no other gods, p e r i o d. Only spirits that think they have something just because there are more enlightened than humans, where in truth they are also created
 
I encountered such a thing when I was studying the New Age movement. When the Lord told me not to confront it. I was there only to observe. But this thing that was speaking through a woman was obviously a demon, and it tried to show itself as a enlightened Spirit from Beyond
 
I am married, but not legally. My husband and I can't afford to have a wedding or get rings right now, but we have prayed to god to accept our marriage and have told him that we are married. Do you have to get married by a priest to actually be married in god's eyes?
Nope When you "Join flesh" you're married in God's eyes, and the priest/minister/J.P./Judge/whatever has nothing to do with any of that.

"Rings"/Ceremonies/and all the expen$ive activities, have nothing to do with "Marriage". They're nothing but "human customs", and a legal contract signing. Practically speaking, without the "Wedding" and in the eyes of the government, there are "Practical/economic/legal protections" that you don't have. so becoming "Legally married" is a good idea, A friend of mine, got legally married in the way to work one morning in a judge's office, and they're "Legally covered".

The "Wedding" is nothing more that the execution of a "CIVIL CONTRACT" defining, and controlling legal issues, property rights/responsibilities, access rights, taxation, and who gets what if the "Marriage" comes apart. IDEALLY the happy couple has remained celibate, until after the 'WEDDING", and the parties are over. THEN the couple goes somewhere private, and MARRYS each other (just ask Jacob).

In the REAL WORLD, however, most couples have BEEN "Married" for months or YEARS, before the "Wedding", and in many cases already involved in several adulteries.
 
There have been over the centuries others who claim to be a god, just like Lucifer did. And obviously those who followed Lucifer also followed his thinking of claiming to be a god.

You can see the effects of how others worshiped something else when Elijah came along and laughed at their priest of the false god. Showing all that wanted to see the true and one God.

I even think when Jesus spoke out loud saying "here o Israel, our God is One" that the statement is more far-reaching to not just the Israelites but others with their thinking of other gods.

Or in another place of scripture where it states "God Most High", that the statement is being made to everyone else as well saying there is no other g o d as Supreme as our God.

In my personal opinion there are no other gods, p e r i o d. Only spirits that think they have something just because there are more enlightened than humans, where in truth they are also created
Ya a wise one once said everything is created by YH(God) but not all are of Him

N that made me go ponder frfr

Twistie :broken_heart:
 

@Loving Avalanche

LovingAvalanche

Add bookmark Jun 28, 2010 #1
I am married, but not legally. My husband and I can't afford to have a wedding or get rings right now, but we have prayed to god to accept our marriage and have told him that we are married. Do you have to get married by a priest to actually be married in god's eyes?

_________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Greetings

There are ideas shared in this thread, regarding marriage that are misleading as they do not agree with scripture.

Let us have a look at what the scriptures actually tell us on the subject of marriage.

There are two testaments in the Bible, the old and the new.
There are two covenants in the Bible, the old and the new.

Marriage is included in both, spiritually and in the flesh.


Starting with a brief look at the OT, the Old Covenant was essentially a marriage covenant, by which God "was a husband" to Israel. Jeremiah 31:32

In this covenant, Israel, the wife, had agreed to submit to God and obey His laws. But she did not. Israel's adultery with foreign gods was so heinous that God divorced His people except for a few who still tried to serve Him. Jeremiah 3:8

The book of Hebrews in the NT explains, the problem was the fault with the people under the Old Covenant, therefore a New Covenant was necessary. Hebrews 8:7-8.

In short, the new covenant is the gospel and marriage is its central theme.

God who created man and woman, also created marriage of one man and one woman, they will become one flesh, through marriage, joined by God, in the NT through Jesus.

Regarding the two becoming one flesh we read…

4 Jesus said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’
5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?
6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” Matthew 19:4-6 (NKJV)

Marriage of one man and one woman is to be honoured, undefiled, and God will judge them.

Let marriage be held in honour among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous. Hebrews 13:4 (NKJV)

Marriage and the law of God

For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. Romans 7:2 (NKJV)

The duties of the husband and wife, just as the ‘Church’, the ‘ekklesia’, is subject to Christ Jesus.

22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.
24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her,
26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,
27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.

28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself.
29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church.
30 For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones.

31 For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33 Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.
Ephesians 5:22-33 (NKJV)

Let us now look in more details to the run up to marriage of one man and one woman from scripture

Jesus gave a marriage proposal to His bride, under the new covenant.


27 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you.
28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Matthew 26:27-28 (NKJV)

Jesus was explaining that the shedding of His blood as a sacrifice for sin was required to make the New Covenant possible. Without it, there was no way to atone for the sins of all who would participate in the covenant. Wine is part of the new covenant.

We also notice that Jesus was here initiating the New Covenant with His disciples.
We must not confuse this
with the setting of Jeremiah's prophecy of the New Covenant with Israel and Judah, after Christ's return to earth. Jeremiah 31:31-34

This is important, the "marriage of the Lamb" does not occur until His return, Revelation 19:6-9
6 And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying, “Alleluia! For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns!
7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.”
8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
9 Then he said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’ ” And he said to me, “These are the true sayings of God.”
Revelation 19:6-9 (NKJV)

This is clearly referring to Christ's marriage to the Church, He the groom, the church His Bride.

God's Church is spiritual Israel

28
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Romans 2:28-29 (KJV)

Jeremiah was a chosen pioneer in the relationship with God. But, this does not explain why the Church is under the terms of the, New Covenant, for marriage today, even though the marriage does not take place until Christ's return.

To understand these things, it is essential we know something about marriage customs in biblical times.

At the time of Jesus, couples initially became betrothed, with a customary shared cup of wine.

This betrothal was not like engagements today, which can easily be broken off.

A Jewish betrothal was ‘a binding contract’ with obligations on both parties. It required a divorce to break it, unlike walking away from an engagement, Jesus clearly did not agree with divorce, as we read about his conversation why Moses allowed it, but He said it was not like that from the beginning.

During this betrothal period the couple was, already considered married. But, regarded as husband and wife, they didn’t live together at this point. This is an important situation to note.

We see this procedure reflected in Matthews Gospel with Mary and Joseph.


18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. 20 But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit Matthew 1:18-20 (NKJV)

Now let us look at another example, let us look at the wedding feast at Cana in Galilee in John chapter 2,

The true meaning in this beautiful passage of scripture is so often missed, clouded by too much emphasis on the two obvious statements in the script.
  • The changing of water into wine and
  • Mary’s words ‘Do whatever He tells you’
Although very important items in the story, there is a far greater one.

Look at the massive differences as to what was done at the time of Jesus and what people do today.
  • Key points to consider at the time of Jesus teaching on earth:
  • the offering of wine
  • the betrothal
  • the time the bride and groom were apart
  • the son had gone away for a little while to prepare a place for them
  • the fact the bride was waiting for her groom to return
  • the fact the son was waiting for the Father to say... ‘Son, go get your bride’

  • We can see clearly from scripture:
  • Jesus message regarding Himself, the Groom, and
  • His Bride, the church, the ekklesia, His body.

  • When we are born again from above, we are betrothed to Jesus, promised in marriage.
  • He is ‘the Groom’, He is ‘the Head of His Church’, and we are His bride, each a part of the body of Christ, His Church, we are His virgin bride, we are promised to each other, we are faithful to each other.
  • We are not to sin! We are in love with the Lord, the groom, we are in His Love when born again, abiding in love.
Let us note also the order for marriage at the time of Jesus Ministry on earth:
  • The groom approaches his hopeful bride.
  • He offers her wine, when she accepts, it is declared in public.
  • The covenant of betrothal, equal to marriage is, written in law, by what was called then a law maker.
In those days, it was common for a couple, to do these things near the gates of the city, because that was where the law makers would be. There was a covenant of marriage in the OT; there is a covenant of marriage in the NT, one in the flesh and one in the spirit.

Jesus was invited to a wedding feast at Cana in Galilee; it was where his first miracle occurred. Jesus took the wedding ceremony of that day and gave us a beautiful parable, he gives us a glimpse towards the day when we who are born again from above, we who have been faithful to His Commands, we who have understood His teaching, and followed by example, we who have shared these with others as faithful disciples will be rewarded, not just with eternity with the Lord, it will be a welcome home like no other, a massive wedding feast with the Lamb of God. Our Saviour and our Lord.

There was in those days a procedure for marriage, there was a covenant, a betrothal of marriage certified.

After the betrothal the couple were parted for a period of time. This may seem strange to us today but it is important not just for the procedure and events of the day, but also for the bigger picture Jesus gives us of the wedding feast he invites us to.

So what actually happened after the legal betrothal in marriage?

The couple would part, the groom would return to his father’s home and start to create a place for His Bride.

The bride would return back to her home and would start to prepare herself for the wedding feast. She and her ladies in waiting, we call bridesmaids, would buy material and make their dresses, preparing and looking forward at all times for when they will be with each other forever, or in the flesh until one soul dies in this life.

How long were they apart?

They were usually apart for up to twelve months though a fixed time was never stated. There was a lot of preparation to be made, the groom preparing a place in the father’s home and the bride getting herself and her ladies in waiting ready. Both had to be ready at all times, because no one knew the day or hour the father tell his son now is the time.

It was only when the father says 'son, go get your bride' that the shofar is sounded, the trumpet call, and at that point the groom goes to get his bride, everyone would come out into the street and will see the groom, they would follow him as he goes and receives his bride unto himself. Then follows the wedding ceremony and wedding feast which all truly born again believers are invited to. What a feast it will be. It was common at the time of Jesus for a wedding feast to run on for a week sometimes two.

It was a joyous occasion, a time for great joy and celebration. And so it will be for the Faithful in Christ when the Father says, ‘Son go get your bride’ and Jesus returns for the born again souls who have been faithful to him.

O come Lord Jesus. Amen


Jesus took the procedure of the day and gave us this beautiful parable, he used the exact pattern of the day to explain what it will be like for the truly born again from above Christians who have followed Jesus’ footsteps, obeyed his commends and remained abiding in him until that very important and very special day when the Father turns to our Lord and says ‘Son go get your bride’

Today’s methods are sin at every level.

We are taught what a marriage was like in scripture, what a marriage should be like, yet we don't see it in the world we live, weddings today are sex first, ceremony later, which so often as to be as quick as possible as the couple cannot wait to get away on an expensive honeymoon. Wedding ceremonies have over the years become a means for yet another party and commercial gain for businesses.

Sin from start to finish, and often afterwards as well!

How many people today could survive a year apart, at that early stage, would one or the other to be tempted to sin, for many I am sure it would. One of the craziest things ever created is the stag and hen nights. But one has to consider, would there be trust by each member being apart for so long, if their love for one another is strong, and their Trust in the Lord was Great, they would be faithful, that is exactly what the Lord asks of us.

But regarding betrothal and the wedding, as we see, it wasn't like it is today, and it was never intended to be like it is today. We are in the Latter Days of these, End Times, today it appears the devil has domain, but it only appears he has domain, his day of reckoning is close, ours could be also.

We really do need to look back at how things were at the time of Jesus on earth, from every prospective, betrothal, marriage, and the church, the ekklesia, so many are living in the today mode, missing so much from Jesus’ teaching and understanding it at the time He was on earth.

What happened at the time of Jesus was a picture for us all, a message for us all, of what a true a true marriage, a true wedding should be, between our Lord and His Church, between the groom, the bride and the father of the groom. The pattern was set for us to learn from, the time line was set with a message pointing us forward, forward to Jesus return with an invite to all to faithful in the Lord to come together for the Wedding Feast of the Lamb,

We are to be virgin brides, preparing for the grooms return, he is coming, our lamps must always be trimmed and filled with oil, we are to be ready any hour, any minute, we are only one step away from fulfilment and it will happen in an instant, at the twinkling of an eye, when the Father says to Jesus, 'Son, go get your bride'.

In His Love

Brother Paul

 
There are around seven people alive today who claim to be Christ, claim to be the messiah

Jesus warned us of false prophets and false Christs in the end times and latter days

Matthew 24:5 (KJV)

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Yes, and it is very important to fan the Gifts of Faith into a becon for all to see. Not to be afraid of the darkness. And to use our Gifts especially Discernment.

If one doesn't learn to recognize God's voice, when will you be able to recognize the wispering wind when it comes to you.
 
Nope When you "Join flesh" you're married in God's eyes, and the priest/minister/J.P./Judge/whatever has nothing to do with any of that.

"Rings"/Ceremonies/and all the expen$ive activities, have nothing to do with "Marriage". They're nothing but "human customs", and a legal contract signing. Practically speaking, without the "Wedding" and in the eyes of the government, there are "Practical/economic/legal protections" that you don't have. so becoming "Legally married" is a good idea, A friend of mine, got legally married in the way to work one morning in a judge's office, and they're "Legally covered".

The "Wedding" is nothing more that the execution of a "CIVIL CONTRACT" defining, and controlling legal issues, property rights/responsibilities, access rights, taxation, and who gets what if the "Marriage" comes apart. IDEALLY the happy couple has remained celibate, until after the 'WEDDING", and the parties are over. THEN the couple goes somewhere private, and MARRYS each other (just ask Jacob).

In the REAL WORLD, however, most couples have BEEN "Married" for months or YEARS, before the "Wedding", and in many cases already involved in several adulteries.
I dont agree with that.

Marriage comes when two hearts are joined as one.

Marriage has nothing to do with the physical sex, that is just the icing on the cake.

But there are plenty who practise audultery, and have children out of wedlock. Men and women whose hearts are far from God.
 
I dont agree with that.

Marriage comes when two hearts are joined as one.

Marriage has nothing to do with the physical sex, that is just the icing on the cake.

But there are plenty who practise audultery, and have children out of wedlock. Men and women whose hearts are far from God.

Calling a spade a spade, since I am in full agreement with you @Bill

Again, people redefines what scriptures is saying to "fit in" with their cultures and norms.

Politics is most welcomed and discussed.

We are truly in the last days and Christ is not welcomed, His words, and His messengers.

God bless
Johann
 

@Loving Avalanche

LovingAvalanche

Add bookmark Jun 28, 2010 #1
I am married, but not legally. My husband and I can't afford to have a wedding or get rings right now, but we have prayed to god to accept our marriage and have told him that we are married. Do you have to get married by a priest to actually be married in god's eyes?

_________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Greetings

There are ideas shared in this thread, regarding marriage that are misleading as they do not agree with scripture.

Let us have a look at what the scriptures actually tell us on the subject of marriage.

There are two testaments in the Bible, the old and the new.
There are two covenants in the Bible, the old and the new.

Marriage is included in both, spiritually and in the flesh.


Starting with a brief look at the OT, the Old Covenant was essentially a marriage covenant, by which God "was a husband" to Israel. Jeremiah 31:32

In this covenant, Israel, the wife, had agreed to submit to God and obey His laws. But she did not. Israel's adultery with foreign gods was so heinous that God divorced His people except for a few who still tried to serve Him. Jeremiah 3:8

The book of Hebrews in the NT explains, the problem was the fault with the people under the Old Covenant, therefore a New Covenant was necessary. Hebrews 8:7-8.

In short, the new covenant is the gospel and marriage is its central theme.

God who created man and woman, also created marriage of one man and one woman, they will become one flesh, through marriage, joined by God, in the NT through Jesus.

Regarding the two becoming one flesh we read…

4 Jesus said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’
5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?
6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” Matthew 19:4-6 (NKJV)

Marriage of one man and one woman is to be honoured, undefiled, and God will judge them.

Let marriage be held in honour among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous. Hebrews 13:4 (NKJV)

Marriage and the law of God

For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. Romans 7:2 (NKJV)

The duties of the husband and wife, just as the ‘Church’, the ‘ekklesia’, is subject to Christ Jesus.

22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.
24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her,
26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,
27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.

28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself.
29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church.
30 For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones.

31 For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.
32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33 Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.
Ephesians 5:22-33 (NKJV)

Let us now look in more details to the run up to marriage of one man and one woman from scripture

Jesus gave a marriage proposal to His bride, under the new covenant.


27 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you.
28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Matthew 26:27-28 (NKJV)

Jesus was explaining that the shedding of His blood as a sacrifice for sin was required to make the New Covenant possible. Without it, there was no way to atone for the sins of all who would participate in the covenant. Wine is part of the new covenant.

We also notice that Jesus was here initiating the New Covenant with His disciples.
We must not confuse this
with the setting of Jeremiah's prophecy of the New Covenant with Israel and Judah, after Christ's return to earth. Jeremiah 31:31-34

This is important, the "marriage of the Lamb" does not occur until His return, Revelation 19:6-9
6 And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying, “Alleluia! For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns!
7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.”
8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
9 Then he said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’ ” And he said to me, “These are the true sayings of God.”
Revelation 19:6-9 (NKJV)

This is clearly referring to Christ's marriage to the Church, He the groom, the church His Bride.

God's Church is spiritual Israel

28
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Romans 2:28-29 (KJV)

Jeremiah was a chosen pioneer in the relationship with God. But, this does not explain why the Church is under the terms of the, New Covenant, for marriage today, even though the marriage does not take place until Christ's return.

To understand these things, it is essential we know something about marriage customs in biblical times.

At the time of Jesus, couples initially became betrothed, with a customary shared cup of wine.

This betrothal was not like engagements today, which can easily be broken off.

A Jewish betrothal was ‘a binding contract’ with obligations on both parties. It required a divorce to break it, unlike walking away from an engagement, Jesus clearly did not agree with divorce, as we read about his conversation why Moses allowed it, but He said it was not like that from the beginning.

During this betrothal period the couple was, already considered married. But, regarded as husband and wife, they didn’t live together at this point. This is an important situation to note.

We see this procedure reflected in Matthews Gospel with Mary and Joseph.


18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. 20 But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit Matthew 1:18-20 (NKJV)

Now let us look at another example, let us look at the wedding feast at Cana in Galilee in John chapter 2,

The true meaning in this beautiful passage of scripture is so often missed, clouded by too much emphasis on the two obvious statements in the script.
  • The changing of water into wine and
  • Mary’s words ‘Do whatever He tells you’
Although very important items in the story, there is a far greater one.

Look at the massive differences as to what was done at the time of Jesus and what people do today.
  • Key points to consider at the time of Jesus teaching on earth:
  • the offering of wine
  • the betrothal
  • the time the bride and groom were apart
  • the son had gone away for a little while to prepare a place for them
  • the fact the bride was waiting for her groom to return
  • the fact the son was waiting for the Father to say... ‘Son, go get your bride’

  • We can see clearly from scripture:
  • Jesus message regarding Himself, the Groom, and
  • His Bride, the church, the ekklesia, His body.

  • When we are born again from above, we are betrothed to Jesus, promised in marriage.
  • He is ‘the Groom’, He is ‘the Head of His Church’, and we are His bride, each a part of the body of Christ, His Church, we are His virgin bride, we are promised to each other, we are faithful to each other.
  • We are not to sin! We are in love with the Lord, the groom, we are in His Love when born again, abiding in love.
Let us note also the order for marriage at the time of Jesus Ministry on earth:
  • The groom approaches his hopeful bride.
  • He offers her wine, when she accepts, it is declared in public.
  • The covenant of betrothal, equal to marriage is, written in law, by what was called then a law maker.
In those days, it was common for a couple, to do these things near the gates of the city, because that was where the law makers would be. There was a covenant of marriage in the OT; there is a covenant of marriage in the NT, one in the flesh and one in the spirit.

Jesus was invited to a wedding feast at Cana in Galilee; it was where his first miracle occurred. Jesus took the wedding ceremony of that day and gave us a beautiful parable, he gives us a glimpse towards the day when we who are born again from above, we who have been faithful to His Commands, we who have understood His teaching, and followed by example, we who have shared these with others as faithful disciples will be rewarded, not just with eternity with the Lord, it will be a welcome home like no other, a massive wedding feast with the Lamb of God. Our Saviour and our Lord.

There was in those days a procedure for marriage, there was a covenant, a betrothal of marriage certified.

After the betrothal the couple were parted for a period of time. This may seem strange to us today but it is important not just for the procedure and events of the day, but also for the bigger picture Jesus gives us of the wedding feast he invites us to.

So what actually happened after the legal betrothal in marriage?

The couple would part, the groom would return to his father’s home and start to create a place for His Bride.

The bride would return back to her home and would start to prepare herself for the wedding feast. She and her ladies in waiting, we call bridesmaids, would buy material and make their dresses, preparing and looking forward at all times for when they will be with each other forever, or in the flesh until one soul dies in this life.

How long were they apart?

They were usually apart for up to twelve months though a fixed time was never stated. There was a lot of preparation to be made, the groom preparing a place in the father’s home and the bride getting herself and her ladies in waiting ready. Both had to be ready at all times, because no one knew the day or hour the father tell his son now is the time.

It was only when the father says 'son, go get your bride' that the shofar is sounded, the trumpet call, and at that point the groom goes to get his bride, everyone would come out into the street and will see the groom, they would follow him as he goes and receives his bride unto himself. Then follows the wedding ceremony and wedding feast which all truly born again believers are invited to. What a feast it will be. It was common at the time of Jesus for a wedding feast to run on for a week sometimes two.

It was a joyous occasion, a time for great joy and celebration. And so it will be for the Faithful in Christ when the Father says, ‘Son go get your bride’ and Jesus returns for the born again souls who have been faithful to him.

O come Lord Jesus. Amen


Jesus took the procedure of the day and gave us this beautiful parable, he used the exact pattern of the day to explain what it will be like for the truly born again from above Christians who have followed Jesus’ footsteps, obeyed his commends and remained abiding in him until that very important and very special day when the Father turns to our Lord and says ‘Son go get your bride’

Today’s methods are sin at every level.

We are taught what a marriage was like in scripture, what a marriage should be like, yet we don't see it in the world we live, weddings today are sex first, ceremony later, which so often as to be as quick as possible as the couple cannot wait to get away on an expensive honeymoon. Wedding ceremonies have over the years become a means for yet another party and commercial gain for businesses.

Sin from start to finish, and often afterwards as well!

How many people today could survive a year apart, at that early stage, would one or the other to be tempted to sin, for many I am sure it would. One of the craziest things ever created is the stag and hen nights. But one has to consider, would there be trust by each member being apart for so long, if their love for one another is strong, and their Trust in the Lord was Great, they would be faithful, that is exactly what the Lord asks of us.

But regarding betrothal and the wedding, as we see, it wasn't like it is today, and it was never intended to be like it is today. We are in the Latter Days of these, End Times, today it appears the devil has domain, but it only appears he has domain, his day of reckoning is close, ours could be also.

We really do need to look back at how things were at the time of Jesus on earth, from every prospective, betrothal, marriage, and the church, the ekklesia, so many are living in the today mode, missing so much from Jesus’ teaching and understanding it at the time He was on earth.

What happened at the time of Jesus was a picture for us all, a message for us all, of what a true a true marriage, a true wedding should be, between our Lord and His Church, between the groom, the bride and the father of the groom. The pattern was set for us to learn from, the time line was set with a message pointing us forward, forward to Jesus return with an invite to all to faithful in the Lord to come together for the Wedding Feast of the Lamb,

We are to be virgin brides, preparing for the grooms return, he is coming, our lamps must always be trimmed and filled with oil, we are to be ready any hour, any minute, we are only one step away from fulfilment and it will happen in an instant, at the twinkling of an eye, when the Father says to Jesus, 'Son, go get your bride'.

In His Love

Brother Paul

"During this betrothal period the couple was, already considered married. But, regarded as husband and wife, they didn’t live together at this point. This is an important situation to note.

We see this procedure reflected in Matthews Gospel with Mary and Joseph.

18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. 20 But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit Matthew 1:18-20 (NKJV)"

It is also evident, as the reading shows, that sexual relations during the period of betrothal was accepted. Otherwise the whole community would has risen against Mary and Joseph over the pregnancy of Jesus.

Not to mention the fact, God Himself "overshadowed" Mary for her to become pregnant in the first place.
 
"During this betrothal period the couple was, already considered married. But, regarded as husband and wife, they didn’t live together at this point. This is an important situation to note.

We see this procedure reflected in Matthews Gospel with Mary and Joseph.

18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. 20 But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit Matthew 1:18-20 (NKJV)"

It is also evident, as the reading shows, that sexual relations during the period of betrothal was accepted. Otherwise the whole community would has risen against Mary and Joseph over the pregnancy of Jesus.

Not to mention the fact, God Himself "overshadowed" Mary for her to become pregnant in the first place.


What Is a Jewish Wedding?
A traditional Jewish wedding (called a chatunah, חֲתֻנָּה) is a tapestry woven from many threads: biblical, historical, mystical, cultural and legal. Threads carried from one generation to the next, forming a chain of Jewish continuity which goes back more than 3,800 years. On the cosmic level, our sages teach that each marriage ceremony is a reenactment of the marriage between G‑d and the Jewish people that took place at Mount Sinai, and that the wedding day is a personal Yom Kippur—the holiest and most auspicious day of one's life.

But a marriage is also an intricate legal transaction, by which bride and groom enter a mutually binding commitment. The rituals and traditions of the Jewish wedding derive from both its legalistic particulars and its underlying spiritual themes—the body and soul of the Jewish wedding.

The Jewish wedding typically starts in midafternoon and ends late at night, but it can be longer or shorter. It is generally followed by seven days of celebration (sheva brachot, שֶׁבַע בְּרָכוֹת).

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What Happens at a Jewish Wedding?

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In this article:
Kabbalat Panim—The Pre-Wedding Reception
Badeken—Veiling the Bride
The Chupah—Marriage Canopy
The Wedding Procession
The Betrothal
The Ketubah—Marriage Contract
Finalizing the Nuptials
Yichud Room
The Wedding Reception
Grace after Meals
Kabbalat Panim—The Pre-Wedding Reception

The Jewish wedding traditionally begins with a special "kabbalat panim"—reception—in honor of the bride and groom. Our sages tell us that on their wedding day, the bridegroom is like a king and the bride is like a queen. Special powers are granted to them from On High; they are made sovereign over their own lives and over their surroundings. All their previous sins and failings are forgiven, and they are empowered to chart a new future for themselves and bestow blessing and grace to their loved ones and friends. It is to honor their special status that we hold a reception for them, as for visiting royalty.

Two separate receptions are held (usually in adjacent rooms) one for the bride and another for the groom. By tradition, the bride and groom refrain from seeing each other for a full week prior to their wedding, so as to increase their love and yearning for each other, and their subsequent joy in each other at their wedding. They will meet again only at the badeken (veiling ceremony) that follows the reception.

The bride sits on a distinctive, ornate throne-like chair. Her friends and family approach, wish Mazal Tov, and offer their heartfelt wishes and words of encouragement. At the groom's reception, songs are sung, and words of Torah are often delivered. Hors d'oeuvres, light refreshments, and l'chaims are served at both receptions.

In many communities, this occasion is used to complete and sign two of the wedding documents: the tenai'm ("engagement" contract) and the ketubah (marriage contract). At the conclusion of the reading of the tena'im, the mothers of the bride and groom break a china or glass plate, to the joyous shouts of Mazal Tov!

Learn more: Kabbalat Panim—Pre-Chupah Reception

Badeken—Veiling the Bride
Photo: Chaim Perl Photography/Chaimperl.com
Photo: Chaim Perl Photography/Chaimperl.com
After the kabbalat panim receptions comes the badeken, the veiling ceremony. A procession headed by the groom goes to the bridal reception room, where the groom covers the bride's face with a veil.

The custom of covering the bride's face with a veil originated with our matriarch Rebecca, who covered her face when meeting her groom, Isaac.

The veil emphasizes that the groom is not solely interested in the bride's external beauty, which fades with time, but rather in her inner beauty which she will never lose. It also emphasizes the innate modesty that is a hallmark of the Jewish woman. The bride's face remains veiled for the duration of the chupah ceremony, affording her privacy at this holy time.

After the groom veils the bride, the parents of the bride and groom approach the bride and bless her. The groom's entourage then retreats from the room. The bride and groom proceed with their chupah preparations and everyone else continues to the site of the chupah, the marriage canopy.

Learn more: Badeken—Veiling

The Chupah—Marriage Canopy
(c) Coby Engelhart
(c) Coby Engelhart
The chupah is a canopy which sits atop four poles and is usually ornately decorated. The marriage ceremony takes place beneath this canopy which is open on all sides. This is a demonstration of the couple's commitment to establish a home which will always be open to guests, as was the tent of Abraham and Sarah.

Many have the custom for the chupah to be held beneath the open skies. This recalls G‑d's blessing to Abraham that his descendants be as numerous as the stars. Furthermore, a chupah held under the open heavens symbolizes the couple's resolve to establish a household which will be dominated by "heavenly" and spiritual ideals.

The chupah ceremony is traditionally characterized by an air of solemnity. Brides and grooms shedding copious tears is a common sight at traditional Jewish weddings. This is due to an acute awareness of the awe and magnitude of the moment.

It is customary in certain communities for the groom to wear a kittel, a long white frock, during the chupah. The pristine white kittel, traditionally worn on Yom Kippur, and the bride's white gown, are symbols of G‑d's atonement and perfect purity.

Indeed, the Shechinah, Divine Presence, graces the presence of every chupah ceremony. Joining also, are the deceased parents, grandparents and great-grandparents of the bride and groom, who descend from their heavenly abode to join the wedding celebration. The assembled audience is expected to demonstrate appropriate consideration for this holy occasion.

People today are "shacking up" living in adultery and calls that marriage, divorce, marriage, divorce, marriage...

Johann
 
What Is a Jewish Wedding?
A traditional Jewish wedding (called a chatunah, חֲתֻנָּה) is a tapestry woven from many threads: biblical, historical, mystical, cultural and legal. Threads carried from one generation to the next, forming a chain of Jewish continuity which goes back more than 3,800 years. On the cosmic level, our sages teach that each marriage ceremony is a reenactment of the marriage between G‑d and the Jewish people that took place at Mount Sinai, and that the wedding day is a personal Yom Kippur—the holiest and most auspicious day of one's life.

But a marriage is also an intricate legal transaction, by which bride and groom enter a mutually binding commitment. The rituals and traditions of the Jewish wedding derive from both its legalistic particulars and its underlying spiritual themes—the body and soul of the Jewish wedding.

The Jewish wedding typically starts in midafternoon and ends late at night, but it can be longer or shorter. It is generally followed by seven days of celebration (sheva brachot, שֶׁבַע בְּרָכוֹת).

Play Video
What Happens at a Jewish Wedding?

3
In this article:
Kabbalat Panim—The Pre-Wedding Reception
Badeken—Veiling the Bride
The Chupah—Marriage Canopy
The Wedding Procession
The Betrothal
The Ketubah—Marriage Contract
Finalizing the Nuptials
Yichud Room
The Wedding Reception
Grace after Meals
Kabbalat Panim—The Pre-Wedding Reception

The Jewish wedding traditionally begins with a special "kabbalat panim"—reception—in honor of the bride and groom. Our sages tell us that on their wedding day, the bridegroom is like a king and the bride is like a queen. Special powers are granted to them from On High; they are made sovereign over their own lives and over their surroundings. All their previous sins and failings are forgiven, and they are empowered to chart a new future for themselves and bestow blessing and grace to their loved ones and friends. It is to honor their special status that we hold a reception for them, as for visiting royalty.

Two separate receptions are held (usually in adjacent rooms) one for the bride and another for the groom. By tradition, the bride and groom refrain from seeing each other for a full week prior to their wedding, so as to increase their love and yearning for each other, and their subsequent joy in each other at their wedding. They will meet again only at the badeken (veiling ceremony) that follows the reception.

The bride sits on a distinctive, ornate throne-like chair. Her friends and family approach, wish Mazal Tov, and offer their heartfelt wishes and words of encouragement. At the groom's reception, songs are sung, and words of Torah are often delivered. Hors d'oeuvres, light refreshments, and l'chaims are served at both receptions.

In many communities, this occasion is used to complete and sign two of the wedding documents: the tenai'm ("engagement" contract) and the ketubah (marriage contract). At the conclusion of the reading of the tena'im, the mothers of the bride and groom break a china or glass plate, to the joyous shouts of Mazal Tov!

Learn more: Kabbalat Panim—Pre-Chupah Reception

Badeken—Veiling the Bride
Photo: Chaim Perl Photography/Chaimperl.com
Photo: Chaim Perl Photography/Chaimperl.com
After the kabbalat panim receptions comes the badeken, the veiling ceremony. A procession headed by the groom goes to the bridal reception room, where the groom covers the bride's face with a veil.

The custom of covering the bride's face with a veil originated with our matriarch Rebecca, who covered her face when meeting her groom, Isaac.

The veil emphasizes that the groom is not solely interested in the bride's external beauty, which fades with time, but rather in her inner beauty which she will never lose. It also emphasizes the innate modesty that is a hallmark of the Jewish woman. The bride's face remains veiled for the duration of the chupah ceremony, affording her privacy at this holy time.

After the groom veils the bride, the parents of the bride and groom approach the bride and bless her. The groom's entourage then retreats from the room. The bride and groom proceed with their chupah preparations and everyone else continues to the site of the chupah, the marriage canopy.

Learn more: Badeken—Veiling

The Chupah—Marriage Canopy
(c) Coby Engelhart
(c) Coby Engelhart
The chupah is a canopy which sits atop four poles and is usually ornately decorated. The marriage ceremony takes place beneath this canopy which is open on all sides. This is a demonstration of the couple's commitment to establish a home which will always be open to guests, as was the tent of Abraham and Sarah.

Many have the custom for the chupah to be held beneath the open skies. This recalls G‑d's blessing to Abraham that his descendants be as numerous as the stars. Furthermore, a chupah held under the open heavens symbolizes the couple's resolve to establish a household which will be dominated by "heavenly" and spiritual ideals.

The chupah ceremony is traditionally characterized by an air of solemnity. Brides and grooms shedding copious tears is a common sight at traditional Jewish weddings. This is due to an acute awareness of the awe and magnitude of the moment.

It is customary in certain communities for the groom to wear a kittel, a long white frock, during the chupah. The pristine white kittel, traditionally worn on Yom Kippur, and the bride's white gown, are symbols of G‑d's atonement and perfect purity.

Indeed, the Shechinah, Divine Presence, graces the presence of every chupah ceremony. Joining also, are the deceased parents, grandparents and great-grandparents of the bride and groom, who descend from their heavenly abode to join the wedding celebration. The assembled audience is expected to demonstrate appropriate consideration for this holy occasion.

People today are "shacking up" living in adultery and calls that marriage, divorce, marriage, divorce, marriage...

Johann
"The Jewish wedding traditionally begins with a special "kabbalat panim"—reception—in honor of the bride and groom. Our sages tell us that on their wedding day, the bridegroom is like a king and the bride is like a queen. Special powers are granted to them from On High; they are made sovereign over their own lives and over their surroundings. All their previous sins and failings are forgiven, and they are empowered to chart a new future for themselves and bestow blessing and grace to their loved ones and friends. It is to honor their special status that we hold a reception for them, as for visiting royalty."

The vast majority of Christians wonder why Catholics see Mary as Queen of Heaven.

I wonder what they will think when the see Mary in Heaven waring a crown.

(I caution all on your comments, in reguards to Mary. The Angels do not take kindly to ill words against her)
 
"The Jewish wedding traditionally begins with a special "kabbalat panim"—reception—in honor of the bride and groom. Our sages tell us that on their wedding day, the bridegroom is like a king and the bride is like a queen. Special powers are granted to them from On High; they are made sovereign over their own lives and over their surroundings. All their previous sins and failings are forgiven, and they are empowered to chart a new future for themselves and bestow blessing and grace to their loved ones and friends. It is to honor their special status that we hold a reception for them, as for visiting royalty."

The vast majority of Christians wonder why Catholics see Mary as Queen of Heaven.

I wonder what they will think when the see Mary in Heaven waring a crown.

(I caution all on your comments, in reguards to Mary. The Angels do not take kindly to ill words against her)

The Jewish wedding has nothing to do with Mary, Queen or the angels.

No caution needed.

Johann
 
The vast majority of Christians wonder why Catholics see Mary as Queen of Heaven.

I wonder what they will think when the see Mary in Heaven waring a crown.

(I caution all on your comments, in reguards to Mary. The Angels do not take kindly to ill words against her)

I wonder if you have any scripture to support either of those statements?

Jer 44:17; "But rather we will certainly carry out every word that has proceeded from our mouths, by burning sacrifices to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, just as we ourselves, our forefathers, our kings and our princes did in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem; for then we had plenty of food and were well off and saw no misfortune.
Jer 44:18; "But since we stopped burning sacrifices to the queen of heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have lacked everything and have met our end by the sword and by famine."
Jer 44:19; "And," said the women, "when we were burning sacrifices to the queen of heaven and were pouring out drink offerings to her, was it without our husbands that we made for her sacrificial cakes in her image and poured out drink offerings to her?"
Jer 44:20; Then Jeremiah said to all the people, to the men and women—even to all the people who were giving him such an answer—saying,
Jer 44:21; "As for the smoking sacrifices that you burned in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem, you and your forefathers, your kings and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the LORD remember them and did not all this come into His mind?
Jer 44:22; "So the LORD was no longer able to endure it, because of the evil of your deeds, because of the abominations which you have committed; thus your land has become a ruin, an object of horror and a curse, without an inhabitant, as it is this day.
Jer 44:23; "Because you have burned sacrifices and have sinned against the LORD and not obeyed the voice of the LORD or walked in His law, His statutes or His testimonies, therefore this calamity has befallen you, as it has this day."
Jer 44:24; Then Jeremiah said to all the people, including all the women, "Hear the word of the LORD, all Judah who are in the land of Egypt,
Jer 44:25; thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, as follows: 'As for you and your wives, you have spoken with your mouths and fulfilled it with your hands, saying, "We will certainly perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn sacrifices to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her." Go ahead and confirm your vows, and certainly perform your vows!'
Jer 44:26; "Nevertheless hear the word of the LORD, all Judah who are living in the land of Egypt, 'Behold, I have sworn by My great name,' says the LORD, 'never shall My name be invoked again by the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, "As the Lord GOD lives."
Jer 44:27; 'Behold, I am watching over them for harm and not for good, and all the men of Judah who are in the land of Egypt will meet their end by the sword and by famine until they are completely gone.

God did not look favorably on any who worship the "queen of heaven". A false god.
 
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