Missing Bible Verses, Harper Collins, More

[Christ4Ever]

My apologies it should have typed bullet #4 instead of #3... that's the statement you were betting on.........

 

[RJ]

My apologies it should have typed bullet #4 instead of #3... that's the statement you were betting on.........

With all the Message Bibles in the world, including those in different languages, I'm still a betting man!

 

[Christ4Ever]

With all the Message Bibles in the world, including those in different languages, I'm still a betting man!

If you were to bet. I'd rather you bet on the quality and not the quantity of the product.

By the way did you google that phrase and do you have any thoughts on the results?

Always in love brother.
C4E
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[amadeus2]

No doubt, if God is in you, you can pull / drift awayat times but where are you going to go that he is still not there in you? This is diametrically apposed to what man had in the Old Testament! Then, on top of everything else, you had to complete your forgiveness on the Day of Atonement and that had to be repeated every year. Jesus finished his work on the cross and unlike the Priests of Old that had to be replaced and their work was never finished, Jesus is our final priest and he sat down for all eternity!

So then God loved people who lived in the times of the OT less than those who have lived since Jesus' sacrifice according to your belief? Why then does even the NT speak of Abraham who was looking for a city, "Whose builder and maker was God"?

Because , as promised, he NOW lives in us! Your opportunity has been finalized by God's free gift of grace to us, not so in the OT, which was dictated by laws, rule and requirements!

Yes, he lives in men when men allow it, but this does not automatically save them at the end of their course. This puts more of a burden on them because they have received more from God than so many from before the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. If with all that we have been given our responsibility and ability is great, then if we fail to accomplish in accord with what we have will not our fall also be greater?

You can call him unfair if you want, I call him holy, righteous and blameless and give him all the glory, while I take none!

I don't call God unfair. To me it seems that your belief calls Him unfair. You have received so much more than those whose time on planet Earth as men was before Jesus yet you say you have a guarantee that they in their condemnation could never have. Does God love you more than He loved them?

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48

 

[KingJ]

Dear Brother,
When I provided a table of YLT, NIV, & TM (#28). Did you or anyone else for that matter Google the phrase I mentioned and one I will circle below and highlight?

Absolutely shocking!

For those who don't have Google:

This phrase comes from the beginning of The Emerald Tablet and embraces the entire system of traditional and modern magic which was inscribed upon the tablet in cryptic wording by Hermes Trismegistus. The significance of this phrase is that it is believed to hold the key to all mysteries. All systems of magic are claimed to function by this formula. "'That which is above is the same as that which is below'...Macrocosmos is the same as microcosmos. The universe is the same as God, God is the same as man, man is the same as the cell, the cell is the same as the atom, the atom is the same as...and so on, ad infinitum.

It is as common as the eye of Horus in satanic imagery to have one hand up and one hand down. Symbolizing as above, so below.

 

[RJ]

If you were to bet. I'd rather you bet on the quality and not the quantity of the product.

By the way did you google that phrase and do you have any thoughts on the results?

Always in love brother.
C4E
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O.K, enough..don't read the Message because it insults you. it does not insult me and I will continue to read it with no shame....that should end this conversation. At least we can agree that Jesus is Lord and it is all of him and none of us! Amen?

 

[Chopper]

O.K, enough..don't read the Message because it insults you. it does not insult me and I will continue to read it with no shame....that should end this conversation. At least we can agree that Jesus is Lord and it is all of him and none of us! Amen?

Hey Buddy, I've never even heard about "The Message". I just Googled it and have it now to look over. Since I have a huge respect for your thoughts, can you relate to me what you like about the Message?

I've always been a KJV fellow, a couple of years ago, I purchased a study version of the ESV (English Standard Version). There are a few problems with some verses left out because of newer, older manuscripts, but I like it and use it for my studies as well as the KJV.

I'm curious about what is your favorite Version of the Bible to study?

Love You!

 

[RJ]

can you relate to me what you like about the Message?

If you study and give Eugene Peterson a fair shake, you will find that he is a fine Christian and more knowledgeable than most, certainly more than me. He wrote the Message only after he had taught from the original Greek. As best as I can tell, the original books of the Bible were not written in formal language. Eugene's Message tries to recapture the Word in the words we use today.
Here is my point that I tried to express but, much to the chastisement of others. First and foremost, I accept my chastisement from God and no one else. To that point, my contention is that, with him in me and, even-though as inadequate as I am personally, with him in me, he leads me in truth no matter what I may be reading at the time....This includes my current desire to read and study the Koran.

I'm curious about what is your favorite Version of the Bible to study?

That is hard for me because I like several. I like the KJV but, I don't live in a world of Thees and Thous. If I was hard pressed and had to narrow down my personal choice, it would be the RSV or the NIV!

 

[Christ4Ever]

O.K, enough..don't read the Message because it insults you. it does not insult me and I will continue to read it with no shame....that should end this conversation. At least we can agree that Jesus is Lord and it is all of him and none of us! Amen?

You say that should end this conversation, when you open it with an insult to my motives and then end it with a question?

First to answer your question. Amen!

To the rest of the your opening words the one word that comes to mind is "balderdash". The only insult is that you believe that I'm insulted by this book! Am I insulted when I present the Gospel to some and they walk away or use verbiage better left unsaid? No. It saddens me yes. I present, Holy Spirit Convicts or doesn't, and they are drawn or not.

You and all here know one thing. They can only present the strongest case possible, with scriptural support in the hope that what they believe to be true can be seen by others as such. Sometimes it is and sometimes it is not. We come to many a fork in the road and wind up going our separate ways as it pertains to many things that have been discussed. Am I insulted by this? No. Even the apostles traveled their separate ways. So we do as well as it pertains to this subject. Just don't deceive yourself into believing that it's because I've been insulted by either this book, Mr. Peterson, you, or anyone else who doesn't agree with what I've presented.

As I've said before. You are a joy to me and I love you by brother in Christ Jesus.
YBIC
C4E
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[RJ]

I am just trying to let this go but you apparently are not finished. I meant no harm and, if you are not insulted as you say, then then we should be able to let this rest.

You and all here know one thing.

Are you not including yourself with all the rest of us?

They can only present the strongest case possible, with scriptural support in the hope that what they believe to be true can be seen by others as such

My point, is that I leave that understanding to the holy Spirit!

We come to many a fork in the road and wind up going our separate ways as it pertains to many things that have been discussed.

So, if we have come to a cross-road, so be it but, again....I hope we can at-least agree that Jesus is lord and it is by his free gift of Grace...all of him and none of us!

Just don't deceive yourself

Again, I am not deceiving myself...maybe you are saying that I am deceiving myself....again, I do love you but, I will leave that discernment up to Jesus!

 

[Chopper]

If you study and give Eugene Peterson a fair shake, you will find that he is a fine Christian and more knowledgeable than most, certainly more than me. He wrote the Message only after he had taught from the original Greek. As best as I can tell, the original books of the Bible were not written in formal language. Eugene's Message tries to recapture the Word in the words we use today.
Here is my point that I tried to express but, much to the chastisement of others. First and foremost, I accept my chastisement from God and no one else. To that point, my contention is that, with him in me and, even-though as inadequate as I am personally, with him in me, he leads me in truth no matter what I may be reading at the time....This includes my current desire to read and study the Koran.

That is hard for me because I like several. I like the KJV but, I don't live in a world of Thees and Thous. If I was hard pressed and had to narrow down my personal choice, it would be the RSV or the NIV!

Hey, I'm Ok with that. I'm going to read some out of the "on line" Message. I'm really glad that folk who criticize your personal choices, don't bother you that much. Your in good hands, and I don't mean "Allstate". You are absolutely right!! He does lead, and I can tell that by faith you trust Him to do that. Here's a little reminder. God loves the fact that you trust Him in this way because His Son died for the love of your trust.

 

[RJ]

Hey, I'm Ok with that. I'm going to read some out of the "on line" Message.

If , I may suggest just...research some of your favorite verses that you really understand and compare!

Your in good hands, and I don't mean "Allstate".

I think so!

Here's a little reminder. God loves the fact that you trust Him in this way because His Son died for the love of your trust.

• Thanks, isn't that awesome?!
• @Chopper , I just wish others new him like you do!
• I am not perfect and I drift a bit once in awhile. When, I do...God has a pretty good trick he works on me, he makes go back, like the old hymn says: " How precious was that day I first believed" and he draws right back to his grace because I instantly remember how in awe and fired up I was. What a gift he gave me. He loves me and I love him!

 

[Christ4Ever]

@RJ

Thank-you for your apology and your sharing.

Always with love dear brother.
YBIC
C4E
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[Chopper]

If , I may suggest just...research some of you favorite verses that you really understand and compare!

I think so!

• Thanks, isn't that awesome?!
• @Chopper , I just wish others new him like you do!
• I am not perfect and I drift a bit once in awhile. When, I do...God has a pretty good trick he works on me, he makes go back, like the old hymn says: " How precious was that day I first believed" and he draws right back to his grace. He loves me and i love him!

O RJ, thank you for that. I will heed your instruction and read some of my favorite verses. I absolutely love Galatians 2:20.

KJV - Galatians 2:20 "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."

Message - 20 "Christ's life showed me how, and enabled me to do it. I identified myself completely with him. Indeed, I have been crucified with Christ. My ego is no longer central. It is no longer important that I appear righteous before you or have your good opinion, and I am no longer driven to impress God. Christ lives in me. The life you see me living is not "mine," but it is lived by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me."

Hey, that's not bad. Sure deflates pride doesn't it. Thanks Buddy, Love You.

 

[RJ]

Thank-you for your apology and your sharing.

Sure, yours is such a humbling spirit!

 

[Christ4Ever]

Sure, yours is such a humbling spirit!

As is yours my brother!

 

[RJ]

Hey, that's not bad. Sure deflates pride doesn't it. Thanks Buddy, Love You.

Yes, deflates the need to impress God!

 

[Chopper]

Yes, deflates the need to impress God!

Ha, ha! I love your thinking. What a fool we'd be to try and impress God.

 

[Yiteng Zhang]

I, with English not being my native language, prefer the KJV a lot over other English translations. The archaic words and obsolete expressions urged me to dig deeper to find out more behind it. After checking out and comparing many Bible translations, including Chinese versions, I think KJV is superior over many modern-day translations, whose manuscripts all come from Westcott-Hort. The Chinese Union Version, which is now the predominating Bible version used in Chinese-speaking societies, was published in 1919. It was based on Westcott-Hort also, but sometimes when the translators noticed something wrong, they went back to use the received texts which KJV used. In the NT part of the Chinese Union Version, we can often see in the brackets saying (some other manuscripts have/do not have xx words or xx verses), leaving some room for the readers to decide. Thank God, these brackets showing differences are still shown in the text body, not somewhere in the footnote like NIV.

Many modern translations, on its preface, say that we have discovered more superior texts today which were not available to KJV translators of the 15th century. Translators today know more and better Greek. However, the faith of modern day people are fading away. I simply don't believe God has concealed the "superior texts" from us for centuries and then let them be unearthed in the 19th century, which is a latter part of endtimes, in order to bring another round of spiritual revival or something. No, there is not going to be any spiritual revival any more. As time goes by, the closer we come to the endtimes, the more unfaithful people are going to be. Even the elect will be deceived and many are going to fall away. This is Satan's work, not God's.

 

[At Peace]

I, with English not being my native language, prefer the KJV a lot over other English translations. The archaic words and obsolete expressions urged me to dig deeper to find out more behind it. After checking out and comparing many Bible translations, including Chinese versions, I think KJV is superior over many modern-day translations, whose manuscripts all come from Westcott-Hort. The Chinese Union Version, which is now the predominating Bible version used in Chinese-speaking societies, was published in 1919. It was based on Westcott-Hort also, but sometimes when the translators noticed something wrong, they went back to use the received texts which KJV used. In the NT part of the Chinese Union Version, we can often see in the brackets saying (some other manuscripts have/do not have xx words or xx verses), leaving some room for the readers to decide. Thank God, these brackets showing differences are still shown in the text body, not somewhere in the footnote like NIV.

Many modern translations, on its preface, say that we have discovered more superior texts today which were not available to KJV translators of the 15th century. Translators today know more and better Greek. However, the faith of modern day people are fading away. I simply don't believe God has concealed the "superior texts" from us for centuries and then let them be unearthed in the 19th century, which is a latter part of endtimes, in order to bring another round of spiritual revival or something. No, there is not going to be any spiritual revival any more. As time goes by, the closer we come to the endtimes, the more unfaithful people are going to be. Even the elect will be deceived and many are going to fall away. This is Satan's work, not God's.

I agree with your assessment that God didn't hide ALL the truth from earlier publishers of the bible.
However, I don't agree with you in regards to the ever elect being deceived.
They will remain faithful till death,as I pray to God you will be too.