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Nicene Creed (Your thoughts)

As I'm reading, it reads that this worship is together, but you state that the Holy Spirit
is not a part of Christian worship?
The Holy Spirit would not lead us to speak of Himself in seeking His own glory but to speak of the Son in seeking His glory. John 3:28-30 & John 5:31 & John 7:18 & John 15:26-27 & John 16:14

There is no other way the Holy Spirit would lead us to worship other than to honor the Son in worship so as to honor the Father John 5:22-23 That is the mind of Christ we are to have in worship Philippians 2:5-13

it is the spirits of the antichrist to wit antichrist means instead of Christ as in instead of the Son to be more precise and so the spirits of the antichrist would draw attention or the spotlight to themselves in worship by their visiations of signs and lying wonders but the real indwelling Holy Spirit would not, but keep the spotlight on the Son in worship.
 
The Holy Spirit would not lead us to speak of Himself in seeking His own glory but to speak of the Son in seeking His glory. John 3:28-30 & John 5:31 & John 7:18 & John 15:26-27 & John 16:14

There is no other way the Holy Spirit would lead us to worship other than to honor the Son in worship so as to honor the Father John 5:22-23 That is the mind of Christ we are to have in worship Philippians 2:5-13

it is the spirits of the antichrist to wit antichrist means instead of Christ as in instead of the Son to be more precise and so the spirits of the antichrist would draw attention or the spotlight to themselves in worship by their visiations of signs and lying wonders but the real indwelling Holy Spirit would not, but keep the spotlight on the Son in worship.
Thanks for sharing.
 
Who Cares??? It's just "Theology" after all.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: <--- The standard of judgment is about to be raised over every saved believer for why you should care

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. <---This is the standard of judgment for why you should care how you worship.
 
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: <--- The standard of judgment is about to be raised over every saved believer for why you should care

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. <---This is the standard of judgment for why you should care how you worship.
I have no problem with "How I worship". DO you????
 
I have no problem with "How I worship". DO you????
I do not know how you worship. I am referring to the Father's will on how we are to worship and so are you complying by only honoring the Son in worship in order to honor the Father or following the traditions of men rather than His words when it comes to worship?
 
Dear Brethren,
I'm sure you all are already aware of this, but I feel the need to again provide what is at the bottom of each page on Talk Jesus.
Which is the Statement of Faith, which is in agreement with the Trinity.

You are welcome to go back and forth as many have here over the years.
Yet, it stands true for when it was posted and stands true today; Talk Jesus is a Trinity believing site.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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Dear Brethren,
I'm sure you all are already aware of this, but I feel the need to again provide what is at the bottom of each page on Talk Jesus.
Which is the Statement of Faith, which is in agreement with the Trinity.

You are welcome to go back and forth as many have here over the years.
Yet, it stands true for when it was posted and stands true today; Talk Jesus is a Trinity believing site.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
\o/
<><
One can believe in the Triune God but church practices & traditions should be proven by scripture and not assumed as true from the creeds, especially when there are no scripture for the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son and yet there are scriptures explaining why there are no scriptures for the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son because there is only one way to honor the Father and that is by only honoring the Son John 5:22-23 and those led by the Spirit of God would be doing what the Holy Spirit has been sent to do and that is to testify of the Son John 15:26 to glorify the Son John 16:14 thru us John 15:27, and that has to include worship and not just in the ministry.

If we expect Catholics to prove everything by the scripture, then we have to lead by example and not just accept long held church traditions and hymns & creeds because we are familiar & comfortable with it.
 
One can believe in the Triune God but church practices & traditions should be proven by scripture and not assumed as true from the creeds, especially when there are no scripture for the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son and yet there are scriptures explaining why there are no scriptures for the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son because there is only one way to honor the Father and that is by only honoring the Son John 5:22-23 and those led by the Spirit of God would be doing what the Holy Spirit has been sent to do and that is to testify of the Son John 15:26 to glorify the Son John 16:14 thru us John 15:27, and that has to include worship and not just in the ministry.

If we expect Catholics to prove everything by the scripture, then we have to lead by example and not just accept long held church traditions and hymns & creeds because we are familiar & comfortable with it.
Dear GodB4Us,
In my post did you see mention of church practices, traditions, or creeds?
If you do not understand what I was saying I will gladly clarify it for you.
Otherwise, so that you might understand one thing about Talk Jesus. This is not a church, nor are those of the staff of any particular denomination.
However, all of us here have accepted the Statement of Faith that governs this site. As did you and every other member who has signed on to be allowed to fellowship, exchange thoughts and ideas concerning Scripture in Christ Jesus on this Forum.

I will however copy and paste from my original post, so that there is no confusion.
You are welcome to go back and forth as many have here over the years.
Yet, it stands true for when it was posted and stands true today; Talk Jesus is a Trinity believing site.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
\o/
<><
 
Dear GodB4Us,
In my post did you see mention of church practices, traditions, or creeds?
If you do not understand what I was saying I will gladly clarify it for you.
Otherwise, so that you might understand one thing about Talk Jesus. This is not a church, nor are those of the staff of any particular denomination.
However, all of us here have accepted the Statement of Faith that governs this site. As did you and every other member who has signed on to be allowed to fellowship, exchange thoughts and ideas concerning Scripture in Christ Jesus on this Forum.

I will however copy and paste from my original post, so that there is no confusion.


With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
\o/
<><
The confusion is why post it when I wasn't nor any one else was questioning the Trinity at all. It kind of made me think my posts were being misunderstood or the OP was.

Unless someone was starting to post against the Trinity for why the post(s) was maybe deleted and I did not catch that in this thread?

I guess maybe you wanted to make sure the discussion did not solicit any post that would go against the Trinity? If so, then I understand now.

As it is, I was "maybe" banned from a Christian forum that believed I was speaking against the Nicene Creed which was their Statement of Faith but members there assured me that they were not strict on accepting that Statement of Faith to post there.

There was even a thread started by another member about why there was no scripture for the practice of the worship of the Holy Ghost with the Father & the Son to wit I shared why as I did in this thread.

Just not sure if I was banned for that or for discerning another supernatural's experience as not of the Lord since I was banned for not following the rules but they did not say what rule for what they had banned me for.

So just going on past experience for why I am voicing my persecution complex in confusion about, failing to see the point of the post other than to make sure nobody took it as an invitation to speak against the existence of the Triune God.

Thanks, Nick for taking the time in clarifying that you were not posting in response to anything I had posted.
 
Dear Brethren,
I'm sure you all are already aware of this, but I feel the need to again provide what is at the bottom of each page on Talk Jesus.
Which is the Statement of Faith, which is in agreement with the Trinity.

You are welcome to go back and forth as many have here over the years.
Yet, it stands true for when it was posted and stands true today; Talk Jesus is a Trinity believing site.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
\o/
<><
Thanks for sharing.
 
The Holy Spirit would not lead us to speak of Himself in seeking His own glory but to speak of the Son in seeking His glory. John 3:28-30 & John 5:31 & John 7:18 & John 15:26-27 & John 16:14

There is no other way the Holy Spirit would lead us to worship other than to honor the Son in worship so as to honor the Father John 5:22-23 That is the mind of Christ we are to have in worship Philippians 2:5-13

it is the spirits of the antichrist to wit antichrist means instead of Christ as in instead of the Son to be more precise and so the spirits of the antichrist would draw attention or the spotlight to themselves in worship by their visiations of signs and lying wonders but the real indwelling Holy Spirit would not, but keep the spotlight on the Son in worship.

God is not a man .

The Holy Spirit of God (not of the son of Man Jesus) His name is Jealous seeing he alone own everything will not share his glory with the dying flesh of mankind. jesus the Son of man

Exodus 34:14

For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:


The son of man honors the father. The father does not honor the Son of man living in a dying body, he has no power

No spotlight on the Son of man jesus. No power from him

The singular anti-christ and plural anti-christs must be compared or rightly divided .

Antichrist means another Christ or teaching master. The one spirit anti-christ he works deceiving antichrists( many).

Like the demonstration with Peter one of anti christs (many) moved by the spirit of lies the antichrist (singular)

God gave words to Jesus the son of man in order to rebuke the one spirit of the anti-Christ that again works in many antichrists.Peter one of the many antichrsts was move by the one Spirt of lies (legion) he forbid the Son of man jesu from doing the will of the father.

Mathew 16: 22-23 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
 
God is not a man .
Even though man was created after His image and after His likeness? So scripture can testify as seeing Him as a man, just not as fallen sinful man that are dying because of sin passed on from Adam. Just because Jesus had existed as the God men had seen in the O.T., before He became incarnated as the Son of Man so He can give His life as a ransom for many, this does not negate His deity at all.
The Holy Spirit of God (not of the son of Man Jesus) His name is Jealous seeing he alone own everything will not share his glory with the dying flesh of mankind. jesus the Son of man

Exodus 34:14

For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:


The son of man honors the father. The father does not honor the Son of man living in a dying body, he has no power

No spotlight on the Son of man jesus. No power from him

The singular anti-christ and plural anti-christs must be compared or rightly divided .

Antichrist means another Christ or teaching master. The one spirit anti-christ he works deceiving antichrists( many).

Like the demonstration with Peter one of anti christs (many) moved by the spirit of lies the antichrist (singular)

God gave words to Jesus the son of man in order to rebuke the one spirit of the anti-Christ that again works in many antichrists.Peter one of the many antichrsts was move by the one Spirt of lies (legion) he forbid the Son of man jesu from doing the will of the father.

Mathew 16: 22-23 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
The Father did honor the Son as God by His witness from Heaven along with the Holy Ghost's witness.

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

What righteousness was fulfilled at this event? The fulfillment of this prophesy from Isaiah that the Lord God and His Spirit sent God Our Redeemer. Read below as Jesus is speaking before His incarnation.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

So do consider His words regarding the Father's standard of judgment over every believer and that there is only one way to honor the Father by honoring the Son because the moment you stop honoring the Son, you are no longer honoring the Father.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

There is only one way to come to God the Father in worship and that is to honor & glorify the Son of Man for His name is above every other name for how God the Father is glorified through His Son.

John 13:31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.
32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

Philippians 2:
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Look at what has happened before His ascension in how all power was given unto Jesus Christ.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

So you may want to go before that throne of grace and ask for help in correcting your testimony regarding the Son of Man aka the Lord Jesus Christ because He is still the Son of God as God even when He was on earth.
 
Even though man was created after His image and after His likeness? So scripture can testify as seeing Him as a man, just not as fallen sinful man that are dying because of sin passed on from Adam. Just because Jesus had existed as the God men had seen in the O.T., before He became incarnated as the
Image is likeness. . . truthful, loving, forgiving etc they are attributes of God not seen . Having nothing to do with form. . . .the temporasl what the eyses see.

If it had to do with form then we would agree with those who faithless unbelievers that elevated the apostles as a legion of gods coming down in the likeness of men (flesh and blood )

Note . . .(BLUE) my offering or understanding

Acts 14: 11 And when the people saw what Paul had done,((The work of the unseen God) they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.


Son of Man came in dying flesh and blood so he can demonstrate the power of the father as the lamb slain from the foundation. The demonstration is not the literal work. it was a promised sign to the whole world again of the lamb slain during the first 6 days when God did work.

The fulness of time came for the propmised three days and nights “demonstration” The Son of man Jesus living in a dying body has no deity or power at all.

The Father did honor the Son as God by His witness from Heaven along with the Holy Ghost's witness.

Can't serperate the Father as God from His Holy Spirit . The eternal Holy Spirit worked in the son of Man Jesus to both reveal the fathhers will and empower Jesus to finish it to the god pleasure of the father. God is not a man

Jesus did the will of the father woring in him with delight some murmur and kick against the priocks like Jonah

Philipians 2: 13 -14For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
I
 
Image is likeness. . . truthful, loving, forgiving etc they are attributes of God not seen . Having nothing to do with form. . . .the temporasl what the eyses see.

If it had to do with form then we would agree with those who faithless unbelievers that elevated the apostles as a legion of gods coming down in the likeness of men (flesh and blood )

Note . . .(BLUE) my offering or understanding

Acts 14: 11 And when the people saw what Paul had done,((The work of the unseen God) they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.


Son of Man came in dying flesh and blood so he can demonstrate the power of the father as the lamb slain from the foundation. The demonstration is not the literal work. it was a promised sign to the whole world again of the lamb slain during the first 6 days when God did work.

The fulness of time came for the propmised three days and nights “demonstration” The Son of man Jesus living in a dying body has no deity or power at all.



Can't serperate the Father as God from His Holy Spirit . The eternal Holy Spirit worked in the son of Man Jesus to both reveal the fathhers will and empower Jesus to finish it to the god pleasure of the father. God is not a man

Jesus did the will of the father woring in him with delight some murmur and kick against the priocks like Jonah

Philipians 2: 13 -14For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
I
Image is what we see. You can attribute likeness to the attributes of God, but image has to refer to form of what we see and feel since that is how man was created and He did it after His image and His likeness thus having form & not invisible.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
 
Image is what we see. You can attribute likeness to the attributes of God, but image has to refer to form of what we see and feel since that is how man was created and He did it after His image and His likeness thus having form & not invisible.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.


Not a salvation issue it does not destroy the simplicity of the gospel. More of how can we hear the Holy Spirit the eternal one and not mankind the temporal

Thanks for the reply .It would seem you are turning the things of God upside down trusting the temporal things seen and not him who moves in temporal mankind to both will and do his good pleasure

Yoked with Christ we can rest as our burdens are made lighter


No mixing of the two (the eternal not seen and the temporal seen) no gospel rest .

Image is likeness as attributes. Not mirror image as form. The unbelievers in Acts 14 called the apostles gods in the likeness of man. They looked at form and declared they are gods that came down to earth .

Faith that reveals the unseen eternal must be mixed with that seen the temporal thing of this world , or we receive no rest not yoked with Christ .

It is why the valuable 20 -20 eternal vision prescription is freely given to us by the father. It needed to rightly divide the parables. It must be used, or the gospel is not preached. Then after mixing we can enter his rest yoked with him.

Write it on your forehead etch in in your new born again heart. Don’t leave earth without it.

2 Corinthians 4:17-181King James Version For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Hebrews 4:1-2 King James Version Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

We have the rest of our lives to lean how to mix by rightly dividing the parables. Again using the temporal to give us the hidden understabding of the eternal gospel .
 
The Father did honor the Son as God by His witness from Heaven along with the Holy Ghost's witness.

The father blessed the powerless Son of man Jesus living in a dying earthen body .God is not a man .

The faithless jew (no faith that could please God ) that had become jealous of all of the suronding pagan nation demanded they be given a king to lord it over thier faith or understanding of the things not seen through the oral traditon of men. God gave them over to do that which they should not of even asked for up until the time of refomation (hebrews 90 from my expernce many deny the first century reformation focusing on th 15th . The first set the patern for any refomation the restoring of the govenment of God .The father and Son . Not a legion of kings and father , queens called patron saints disembodied workers with famual spirits gods needed to seek the dead for those living .

1 Samauel 8:7 And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

Why look for a fleshly God . Whats the hope? Being like the rest of the pagan nations of the world? Faithless no invisable God.
 
Not a salvation issue it does not destroy the simplicity of the gospel. More of how can we hear the Holy Spirit the eternal one and not mankind the temporal

Thanks for the reply .It would seem you are turning the things of God upside down trusting the temporal things seen and not him who moves in temporal mankind to both will and do his good pleasure

Yoked with Christ we can rest as our burdens are made lighter


No mixing of the two (the eternal not seen and the temporal seen) no gospel rest .

Image is likeness as attributes. Not mirror image as form. The unbelievers in Acts 14 called the apostles gods in the likeness of man. They looked at form and declared they are gods that came down to earth .

Faith that reveals the unseen eternal must be mixed with that seen the temporal thing of this world , or we receive no rest not yoked with Christ .

It is why the valuable 20 -20 eternal vision prescription is freely given to us by the father. It needed to rightly divide the parables. It must be used, or the gospel is not preached. Then after mixing we can enter his rest yoked with him.

Write it on your forehead etch in in your new born again heart. Don’t leave earth without it.

2 Corinthians 4:17-181King James Version For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Hebrews 4:1-2 King James Version Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

We have the rest of our lives to lean how to mix by rightly dividing the parables. Again using the temporal to give us the hidden understabding of the eternal gospel .
Idolatry is done when men create graven image and bow down to worship that graven image as if it is a god.

The same is done when Catholics go to sites of paintings of Jesus weeping or statues of Jesus that are weeping or bleeding, thinking they are getting close to Jesus or even Mary in that way.

The same is done when any saved believer treats communion as a holy communion, treating the bread and the wine as if His Presence is in them to be received again. That is idolatry as well.

Worshiping Jesus Christ Himself as the Son of Man and the Son of God is not idolatry until they make an image or treat the bread and the wine as if it is holy and sacred as being the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, then it becomes idolatry.
 
The father blessed the powerless Son of man Jesus living in a dying earthen body .God is not a man .
Jesus had to give up His life as a ransom for many. He was not in sinful flesh where He was dying as other men for He was without sin until He died on the cross to take our sins upon Himself for why He had experienced that separation from the Father in giving His life as a ransom for many.
Why look for a fleshly God . Whats the hope? Being like the rest of the pagan nations of the world? Faithless no invisable God.
Jesus has risen from the dead and has a glorified celestial body that can be felt and He can eat too.

Luke 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Then after His ascension, His disciples got saved at Pentecost so they, like every other believer, has received the Spirit of promise by faith in Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith....
....26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
 
Jesus had to give up His life as a ransom for many. He was not in sinful flesh where He was dying as other men for He was without sin until He died on the cross to take our sins upon Himself for why He had experienced that separation from the Father in giving His life as a ransom for many.

Flesh signified as sinful was needed to do what the letter of the law"Death" could not do .



Romans 8:3-4 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law (law of faith) might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Jesu the apostle informs us his flesh that has no power. . it profits for nothing zero .


Jesus has risen from the dead and has a glorified celestial body that can be felt and He can eat too.

All die not reciving the propmise of a new incorruptible body ( Hebrew 11 )
 
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