One World Government

[Hekuran]

I'm hearing a lot of anxiety about one world government recently.

The thing is, the Bible never warns about a one world government, or even mentions it. And that is taking into account that the known world was ruled by a single Roman emperor.

It seems to me to be hugely unlikely that any of the world's major powers will be willing to cede autonomy

Why so much concern?

 

[Dave M]

this may help you brother get a general thought on it

The Bible does not use the phrase “one-world government” or “one-world currency” in referring to the end times. It does, however, provide ample evidence to enable us to draw the conclusion that both will exist under the rule of the Antichrist in the last days.

In his apocalyptic vision in the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John sees the “beast,” also called the Antichrist, rising out of the sea having seven heads and ten horns (Revelation 13:1). Combining this vision with Daniel’s similar one (Daniel 7:16-24), we can conclude that some sort of world system will be inaugurated by the beast, the most powerful “horn,” who will defeat the other nine and will begin to wage war against Christians. The ten-nation confederacy is also seen in Daniel’s image of the statue in Daniel 2:41-42, where he pictures the final world government consisting of ten entities represented by the ten toes of the statue. Whoever the ten are and however they come to power, Scripture is clear that the beast will either destroy them or reduce their power to nothing more than figureheads. In the end, they will do his bidding.

John goes on to describe the ruler of this vast empire as having power and great authority, given to him by Satan himself (Revelation 13:2), being followed by and receiving worship from “all the world” (13:3-4), and having authority over “every tribe, people, language and nation” (13:7). From this description, it is logical to assume that this person is the leader of a one-world government which is recognized as sovereign over all other governments. It’s hard to imagine how such diverse systems of government as are in power today would willingly subjugate themselves to a single ruler, and there are many theories on the subject. A logical conclusion is that the disasters and plagues described in Revelation as the seal and trumpet judgments (chapters 6-11) will be so devastating and create such a monumental global crisis that people will embrace anything and anyone who promises to give them relief.

Once entrenched in power, the beast (Antichrist) and the power behind him (Satan) will move to establish absolute control over all peoples of the earth to accomplish their true end, the worship Satan has been seeking ever since being thrown out of heaven (Isaiah 14:12-14). One way they will accomplish this is by controlling all commerce, and this is where the idea of a one-world currency comes in. Revelation 13:16-17 describes some sort of satanic mark which will be required in order to buy and sell. This means anyone who refuses the mark will be unable to buy food, clothing or other necessities of life. No doubt the vast majority of people in the world will succumb to the mark simply to survive. Again, verse 16 makes it clear that this will be a universal system of control where everyone, rich and poor, great and small, will bear the mark on their hand or forehead. There is a great deal of speculation as to how exactly this mark will be affixed, but the technologies that are available right now could accomplish it very easily.

Those who are left behind after the Rapture of the Church will be faced with an excruciating choice—accept the mark of the beast in order to survive or face starvation and horrific persecution by the Antichrist and his followers. But those who come to Christ during this time, those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life (Revelation 13:8), will choose to endure, even to martyrdom.

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[Hekuran]

Ok. There's a whole barrel-load of assumptions and connections here. Let me ask you, do you think these passages could make sense without reference to a One World Government?

 

[B-A-C]

Rev 13:2; And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority.
Rev 13:3; I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast;
Rev 13:4; they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?"
Rev 13:5; There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him.
Rev 13:6; And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7; It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.

It seems the "whole earth" will follow the beast. He will have authority over "every" people and nation.

Rev 13:8; All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

"All" who dwell on the earth.

Rev 13:15; And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
Rev 13:16; And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead,
Rev 13:17; and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18; Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.

He causes "all", not some of the people, not part of the people, not just one nation of people, but "all" the people to take the mark. Also this implies there will be a global currency
(this pretty much already exists, this is done automatically/electronically) and He will be the one deciding who can buy or sell anything (including necessities like food).

There is a passage some say refers to the "fourth kingdom of man" in Daniel.

Dan 7:7; "After this I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrifying and extremely strong; and it had large iron teeth. It devoured and crushed and trampled down the remainder with its feet; and it was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8; "While I was contemplating the horns, behold, another horn, a little one, came up among them, and three of the first horns were pulled out by the roots before it; and behold, this horn possessed eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth uttering great boasts.

Some say this 'fourth kingdom' has already happened, but the beast that has ten horns is mentioned later.

Rev 13:1; And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore. Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names.
Rev 13:2; And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority.
Rev 13:3; I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast;

The "whole earth", seems to imply a one world system, a one world government.

In the time of the Roman empire, people didn't willingly follow Rome, they were beaten into submission. In the time of the beast it will be a willful submission.

 

[Brad Huber]

Ask yourself why God destroyed the tower of babel. The answer applies to your question. You may not be able to discern it though if it doesnt say "one world government". The lie of star trek of a one world govt being good for earth, and atheists in general agreeing with that premise, is a huge lie, based on the assumption that the hearts of men are basically good and peaceful.

 

[Hekuran]

The key response to the beast is worship. Its mentioned several times in Revelation 13. It doesn't strike me to be a description of one world government.

And there's no necessity for a global currency. Without the Mark a person cannot buy - in euros, yen, dollars, ringgit, kina....

 

[B-A-C]

And there's no necessity for a global currency. Without the Mark a person cannot buy - in euros, yen, dollars, ringgit, kina....

I kind of agree with you on this point, but reguardless of the currency, one person will be deciding if you can spend it.

 

[Brad Huber]

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

[Dave M]

It doesn't strike me to be a description of one world government

"new world order".... is probably a better term

 

[B-A-C]

I do believe it will be a "one world" government.

Rev 13:2; And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority.

Throne, great authority. Doesn't just sound like worship to me. Sounds like a dictatorship or monarchy.

Rev 13:3; I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast;
Rev 13:4; they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?"

People will worship the beast, but the dragon gives the beast "authority". This sounds like governance to me.

Rev 13:16; And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead,

He "causes" (forces) everyone on the earth to take his mark. This sounds military/political to me.

Rev 13:17; and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

No one can do commerce (buy or sell) unless he lets them. That doesn't sound like worship that sounds military/authortarian/political to me. A police state.
A world king, a world dictator. ... and yes.. he will want people to worship him also.

 

[Hekuran]

Yes. I've read somewhere that the two beasts represent military power and the power of propaganda. That makes sense to me.

What I'm pushing against is the concern that any kind of cooperation between nations might be a harbinger of a one world government and therefore a sign of the end of the age. I don't see anything in the text that warrants that

 

[Brad Huber]

Yes. I've read somewhere that the two beasts represent military power and the power of propaganda. That makes sense to me.

What I'm pushing against is the concern that any kind of cooperation between nations might be a harbinger of a one world government and therefore a sign of the end of the age. I don't see anything in the text that warrants that

No one is saying "any form of cooperation", those are your words to downplay the topic and try to make others consider it foolish. Cooperation is done daily, just not to the degree you would like to see.

 

[B-A-C]

This does take some faith and spiritual discernment. I hate saying that, because it sounds condescending as if you don't have any. Also it seems that whenever someone has something they have a hard time explaining, it's the phrase they use.

I'm going to start with the abomination of desolation because I feel it might the easiest one to tie together.
The first time we see this, is in Daniel.

Dan 11:31; "Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation.
Dan 11:32; "By smooth words he will turn to godlessness those who act wickedly toward the covenant, but the people who know their God will display strength and take action.
Dan 11:33; "Those who have insight among the people will give understanding to the many; yet they will fall by sword and by flame, by captivity and by plunder for many days.
Dan 11:34; "Now when they fall they will be granted a little help, and many will join with them in hypocrisy.
Dan 11:35; "Some of those who have insight will fall, in order to refine, purge and make them pure until the end time; because it is still to come at the appointed time.
Dan 11:36; "Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done.
Dan 11:37; "He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, nor will he show regard for any other god; for he will magnify himself above them all.
Dan 11:38; "But instead he will honor a god of fortresses, a god whom his fathers did not know; he will honor him with gold, silver, costly stones and treasures.

There is a LOT more here in this chapter, but I'm trying to tie a few things together here. Some of these things did happen around 470BC.
Antiochus Epiphanes III did desecrate the temple. We aren't told exactly what the abomination of desolation is... but some ancient Hebrew writings say He sacrificed swine
on the altar of the temple for about 3 1/2 years. I don't know if it really matters what it was, since the Bible doesn't tell us. Also notice this person sets himself up as God.

Now let us jump forward to Matthew 24. Which some think is about Jerusalem in 70AD. But there is a LOT in the chapter that also hasn't happened yet.
One of the these things is the abomination of desolation.

Matt 24:15; "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
Mat 24:16; then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.
(Also see Mark 13:14; )

It actually says here.. when you see the abomination of desolation (which was spoken of by Daniel) then some other things are going to happen.
So even though it happened in 470BC. Jesus says it's going to happen again. Some say He was just speaking of Jerusalem being overthrown in 70AD.
But while that part may be true...

Matt 24:21; "For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. (also see Dan 12:1; )
Matt 24:22; "Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.
Matt 24:23; "Then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ,' or 'There He is,' do not believe him.
Matt 24:24; "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
Matt 24:25; "Behold, I have told you in advance.
Matt 24:26; "So if they say to you, 'Behold, He is in the wilderness,' do not go out, or, 'Behold, He is in the inner rooms,' do not believe them.
Matt 24:27; "For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be

There have been a lot worse things than the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD happen since then. The population of Jerusalem at the time was less than 1million people.
There have dictators who have killed tens of millions of people since then. There have been world wars that have affected many nations, not just one city.
There was the holocaust of World War II, which saw 7 million Jews killed. So in retrospect 70AD wasn't all that bad. Also there is no record of the days
being shorter n 70AD. Finally Jesus did not return to earth in 70AD.

Matt 24:29; "But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Matt 24:30; "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31; "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

None of this has happened yet, so we can safely surmise it's not taking about 70AD, it must be some event in the future. Also there is no record of any abomination of desolation
happening in the temple in 70AD.

Now some say, oh you're just taking some random verses and trying to twist them all together to speculate or build some theological doctrine.
But yet Matt 24:15 specifically mentions "what was spoken of by Daniel". I didn't add that to the Bible.

Remember the guy in Daniel who sets himself up as God? Someone a lot like him turns up again.

2Thes 2:1; Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,
2Thes 2:2; that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
2Thes 2:3; Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
2Thes 2:4; who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.
2Thes 2:5; Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?
2Thes 2:6; And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed.
2Thes 2:7; For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.
2Thes 2:8; Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming;
2Thes 2:9; that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,
2Thes 2:10; and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.
2Thes 2:11; For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,
2Thes 2:12; in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.

Again there is no record of anyone doing this in the temple in 70AD. In fact the temple was torn down so it couldn't have happened then.
Verse 2 above says "the day of the Lord" hasn't happened yet. It won't happen until these other things happen. The "day of the Lord" didn't happen in 70AD either.

Now either you believe all the things mentioned in Daniel and Matthew already happened, or you don't. But the second coming of Jesus hasn't happened yet.
Can we at least agree on that?

But if Daniel is speaking about some guy in the future (as Matt 24 and Mark 13 says he is) then we should pay attention to what this guy is going to do.
It'll take me a little time to collect this stuff together (most of it is from Daniel 11 & 12) but this guy who sets himself up and king of the wasn't Ceasar or Nero
there were already several Ceasars before the book of Matthew and Mark were written. They had already set themselves up as gods long before this time.
But in Daniel this person will take over the world mostly by deception. Then after he gets his power he will turn on those who helped him.

Rev 17:9; "Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits,
Rev 17:10; and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while.
Rev 17:11; "The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction.
Rev 17:12; "The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour.
Rev 17:13; "These have one purpose, and they give their power and authority to the beast.
Rev 17:14; "These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful."
Rev 17:15; And he *said to me, "The waters which you saw where the harlot sits, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.
Rev 17:16; "And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire.

But before I go back to Daniel, it says here in Revelation that there will be ten kings of ten kingdoms (who don't even have any kingdoms yet)
It says they have "one purpose" that is to give the beast their power and authority over their kingdoms. Now maybe they will remain separate kingdoms, or maybe they will be
consolidated into one kingdom.. I don't know if it matters, either way the beast will be ruling over them.

.. to be continued ...

 

[Hekuran]

This does take some faith and spiritual discernment. I hate saying that, because it sounds condescending as if you don't have any. Also it seems that whenever someone has something they have a hard time explaining, it's the phrase they use.

I'm going to start with the abomination of desolation because I feel it might the easiest one to tie together.
The first time we see this, is in Daniel.

Dan 11:31; "Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation.
Dan 11:32; "By smooth words he will turn to godlessness those who act wickedly toward the covenant, but the people who know their God will display strength and take action.
Dan 11:33; "Those who have insight among the people will give understanding to the many; yet they will fall by sword and by flame, by captivity and by plunder for many days.
Dan 11:34; "Now when they fall they will be granted a little help, and many will join with them in hypocrisy.
Dan 11:35; "Some of those who have insight will fall, in order to refine, purge and make them pure until the end time; because it is still to come at the appointed time.
Dan 11:36; "Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods; and he will prosper until the indignation is finished, for that which is decreed will be done.
Dan 11:37; "He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the desire of women, nor will he show regard for any other god; for he will magnify himself above them all.
Dan 11:38; "But instead he will honor a god of fortresses, a god whom his fathers did not know; he will honor him with gold, silver, costly stones and treasures.

There is a LOT more here in this chapter, but I'm trying to tie a few things together here. Some of these things did happen around 470BC.
Antiochus Epiphanes III did desecrate the temple. We aren't told exactly what the abomination of desolation is... but some ancient Hebrew writings say He sacrificed swine
on the altar of the temple for about 3 1/2 years. I don't know if it really matters what it was, since the Bible doesn't tell us. Also notice this person sets himself up as God.

Now let us jump forward to Matthew 24. Which some think is about Jerusalem in 70AD. But there is a LOT in the chapter that also hasn't happened yet.
One of the these things is the abomination of desolation.

Matt 24:15; "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
Mat 24:16; then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.
(Also see Mark 13:14; )

It actually says here.. when you see the abomination of desolation (which was spoken of by Daniel) then some other things are going to happen.
So even though it happened in 470BC. Jesus says it's going to happen again. Some say He was just speaking of Jerusalem being overthrown in 70AD.
But while that part may be true...

Matt 24:21; "For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. (also see Dan 12:1; )
Matt 24:22; "Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.
Matt 24:23; "Then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ,' or 'There He is,' do not believe him.
Matt 24:24; "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
Matt 24:25; "Behold, I have told you in advance.
Matt 24:26; "So if they say to you, 'Behold, He is in the wilderness,' do not go out, or, 'Behold, He is in the inner rooms,' do not believe them.
Matt 24:27; "For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be

There have been a lot worse things than the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD happen since then. The population of Jerusalem at the time was less than 1million people.
There have dictators who have killed tens of millions of people since then. There have been world wars that have affected many nations, not just one city.
There was the holocaust of World War II, which saw 7 million Jews killed. So in retrospect 70AD wasn't all that bad. Also there is no record of the days
being shorter n 70AD. Finally Jesus did not return to earth in 70AD.

Matt 24:29; "But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Matt 24:30; "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31; "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

None of this has happened yet, so we can safely surmise it's not taking about 70AD, it must be some event in the future. Also there is no record of any abomination of desolation
happening in the temple in 70AD.

Now some say, oh you're just taking some random verses and trying to twist them all together to speculate or build some theological doctrine.
But yet Matt 24:15 specifically mentions "what was spoken of by Daniel". I didn't add that to the Bible.

Remember the guy in Daniel who sets himself up as God? Someone a lot like him turns up again.

2Thes 2:1; Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,
2Thes 2:2; that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
2Thes 2:3; Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
2Thes 2:4; who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.
2Thes 2:5; Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?
2Thes 2:6; And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed.
2Thes 2:7; For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.
2Thes 2:8; Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming;
2Thes 2:9; that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,
2Thes 2:10; and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.
2Thes 2:11; For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,
2Thes 2:12; in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.

Again there is no record of anyone doing this in the temple in 70AD. In fact the temple was torn down so it couldn't have happened then.
Verse 2 above says "the day of the Lord" hasn't happened yet. It won't happen until these other things happen. The "day of the Lord" didn't happen in 70AD either.

Now either you believe all the things mentioned in Daniel and Matthew already happened, or you don't. But the second coming of Jesus hasn't happened yet.
Can we at least agree on that?

But if Daniel is speaking about some guy in the future (as Matt 24 and Mark 13 says he is) then we should pay attention to what this guy is going to do.
It'll take me a little time to collect this stuff together (most of it is from Daniel 11 & 12) but this guy who sets himself up and king of the wasn't Ceasar or Nero
there were already several Ceasars before the book of Matthew and Mark were written. They had already set themselves up as gods long before this time.
But in Daniel this person will take over the world mostly by deception. Then after he gets his power he will turn on those who helped him.

Rev 17:9; "Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits,
Rev 17:10; and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while.
Rev 17:11; "The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction.
Rev 17:12; "The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour.
Rev 17:13; "These have one purpose, and they give their power and authority to the beast.
Rev 17:14; "These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful."
Rev 17:15; And he *said to me, "The waters which you saw where the harlot sits, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.
Rev 17:16; "And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire.

But before I go back to Daniel, it says here in Revelation that there will be ten kings of ten kingdoms (who don't even have any kingdoms yet)
It says they have "one purpose" that is to give the beast their power and authority over their kingdoms. Now maybe they will remain separate kingdoms, or maybe they will be
consolidated into one kingdom.. I don't know if it matters, either way the beast will be ruling over them.

.. to be continued ...

I'm absolutely with you on the question of faith and discernment. Thank you for taking the time to give such a full answer. I'll wait for the rest of the post before I comment

 

[Dave M]

a sign of the end of the age

to me and I could be wrong, but we have just witnessed the first global event that has ever taken place on earth that I know of. Now when the mark of the beast comes into play it will be a global event. We now have people telling us the whole world must be vaccinated,, yet another global event. We now have Trumps right hand man in medicine telling us, that we may have to carry proof of vaccination in order to gather together. Freedoms being stripped away little by little.


Now what I see is change in the world as we once new it, what I see is a foundation being laid for people to accept being tagged willingly in the name of safety. No these are not the mark of the beast, but people have to be conditioned slowly first before their thinking can be changed.

 

[Samson2020]

the most powerful “horn,” who will defeat the other nine and will begin to wage war against Christians.

it says here in Revelation that there will be ten kings of ten kingdoms (who don't even have any kingdoms yet)

There are 10 horns which are consecutive presidents (kings), actually of the EU. the 11th president is the antichrist you speak of and he does not defeat the others,
he convinces three of them to join him in his government endeavor. Presently the 3rd president(king) has taken the helm as of late 2019. They are getting
5 yr terms similar to US presidents. Keep an eye on them, as the day of the Lord cometh as a thief in the night you should expect to not see it, but maybe
it is so big you can't view it entirely for what it is?

 

[Samson2020]

these are not the mark of the beast, but people have to be conditioned slowly first before their thinking can be changed.

I can agree with that as the slow removal of cash and going to a digital currency is taking place as we write. If they can ever figure out how to stop
the hackers then the push to go completely digital will occur.

 

[Brother-Paul]

The Bible does not use the words “one-world government” or “one-world currency” in referring to the end times.

The Bible does however, provide sufficient evidence to enable us to understand these things will occur under the rule of the Antichrist in those latter days.

One things is for sure, we are not there yet, we know it will be in the tribulation periods, but what is clear, I think, is that things are happening in the world which show, the world is moving towards a one world government and one world religion and has been for some time.

 

[Brother-Paul]

to me and I could be wrong, but we have just witnessed the first global event that has ever taken place on earth that I know of. Now when the mark of the beast comes into play it will be a global event. We now have people telling us the whole world must be vaccinated,, yet another global event. We now have Trumps right hand man in medicine telling us, that we may have to carry proof of vaccination in order to gather together. Freedoms being stripped away little by little.

Now what I see is change in the world as we once new it, what I see is a foundation being laid for people to accept being tagged willingly in the name of safety. No these are not the mark of the beast, but people have to be conditioned slowly first before their thinking can be changed.

All this Dave and the Jews have been returning to Israel, Israel has been declared a state 14 May 1948, this one prophesy had to be in place for all latter days ones to follow and the speed they are following is amazing.

Bless you

 

[Hekuran]

to me and I could be wrong, but we have just witnessed the first global event that has ever taken place on earth that I know of. Now when the mark of the beast comes into play it will be a global event. We now have people telling us the whole world must be vaccinated,, yet another global event. We now have Trumps right hand man in medicine telling us, that we may have to carry proof of vaccination in order to gather together. Freedoms being stripped away little by little.


Now what I see is change in the world as we once new it, what I see is a foundation being laid for people to accept being tagged willingly in the name of safety. No these are not the mark of the beast, but people have to be conditioned slowly first before their thinking can be changed.

I want to challenge the logic of thi:
The rise of the beast will be a global event
If/when a vaccine to protect against coronavirus is developed, it will be distributed globally.
Therefore the vaccine must be linked to the rise of the beast.

One does not follow from the other. Of course protection against a deadly disease should be made available to the whole world.

Again, I think we should be far more concerned about individuals and institutions that make a claim on our worship - taking that which is due only to God.