Pre-trib Rapture: A popular but false doctrine

[lentz]

I am already ready for the Lord's return but I have no faith in the rapture. And I'm looking forward to going through all the stuff that hits the fan and show the world Christ

I love ya brother,but you have no idea what youre saying. No one in there right mind would want to go through tribulation(not saying youre not in your right mind) just reading what will take place is horrific enough. Living in that day will be total hell.

 

[Bill]

I love ya brother,but you have no idea what youre saying. No one in there right mind would want to go through tribulation(not saying youre not in your right mind) just reading what will take place is horrific enough. Living in that day will be total hell.

Lol well you could be right , i am not in my right mind. A few sandwiches short of a full platter.

However, i am dead on about going through this time. It is what the Lord has asked of me.

And i am looking forward to the Lord's fulfillment.

 

[lentz]

Lol well you could be right , i am not in my right mind. A few sandwiches short of a full platter.

However, i am dead on about going through this time. It is what the Lord has asked of me.

And i am looking forward to the Lord's fulfillment.

Are you allowed to talk about it?
Can you share how he asked and what his plan for you will be. I mean will you have a specific calling or task?

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Lol you beat me to it. I was thinking about making another Rapture talk.

I have a lot of problems when it comes to the Rapture Theory most of which lay in the area of being a selfish mentality. And although people don't think of it that way, it really is, because you're only worried about yourself and no one else. What happened to the understanding that we are the servants and not the Masters.

Jesus gets down on his hands and feet and washes the feet of the Apostles. And he tells us that we need to follow hishim. Where is his example when it comes to pushing and shoving for taking a place in the rapture, I'm going up to heaven and I'm getting away from all this crowd and all this mess that's going on in the world. Didn't Jesus take up his cross and. Wasn't he nailed to it doesn't he tell us to follow him follow his example where in the Rapture theory is this example being Amplified.

Another problem I have with the Rapture Theory, the reading that is used out of the scripture to Define what the Rapture is is inconclusive. Meaning it says that one person will go up and another person will stay behind but it's not telling you whether or not the person staying behind is also a born again Christian. I think people jump to conclusions that just because the one person is gone and the other person stays behind that the one staying behind is not worthy, but that's not what the scripture says. In fact it doesn't say anything one way or the other. Now this is not including the surrounding verses this is only the part that everyone jumps to when it comes to the Rapture Theory.

As far as I'm concerned the Rapture is nothing more than a fantasy, that someone made up. To give the illusion of the greatest Escape before all the crap hits the fan.

What Christians are under valuing is this time from now till Jesus return will be the greatest Triumph that Christians can do in the world if they put their heart into it. Don't let the devil deceive you with this false teaching. Because when it comes to its fruition many many Christians that are firm Christians of this day will lose their faith over this one issue the rapture. Because they have put more faith into the rapture then they are putting into God himself.

Actually I do believe the removal of the church (2 Thess. 2:6-7) through God's deliverance. God delivered Noah from the Flood, Lot from Sodom, Israelites from Egypt, etc., those were legit miracles in the bible, we ought to have faith in his deliverance for us and pray for that. There's also a logic in the necessity of this removal - the church, in which the Holy Spirit dwells, is the spiritual power that restrains evil. As long as the church is still around, evil is kept in check, and God will spare the world for the sake of as few as ten righteous people (Gen. 18:16-33); however, when the church is gone, the restrainer is removed, then the Beast is out of the cage and wreak hovac, and God's judgement will ensue. This is not a theory, there were plenty of dress rehearsals on a regional scale in the history, look no further from Germany and Russia, both previously Christian nations, highly advanced in science and art, then devolved into two prime evils in the 20th century, and now Biden's America is next, we're right in the thick of it!

The problem, though, is the messaging of this from the pulpit. No a single pastor, writer or radio host has every elaborated on in what manner will this "rapture" play out, nobody tries to digest it based on this OT predecents, and nobody ever bothers to mention the resurrection part, they all focus on the timing of it, along with different prospects of the millennial kingdom, which only causes confusion. This deliverance is supposed to be our blessed hope, which they turned into a hype, if you only listen to them, it's no different from alien abduction, you know, it's like we'll suddenly be teleported into heaven and enjoyinng a seven-year honeymoon with Jesus. That's definitely a sales pitch made up by John Nelson Derby.

 

[Bill]

Are you allowed to talk about it?
Can you share how he asked and what his plan for you will be. I mean will you have a specific calling or task?

I have already done so, I have already openly told everyone here who I am. But of course no one wants to believe it because it is outside of what they've been taught all these years.

So let me help you understand, John the Baptist was born of a woman, and grew up in a family. And yet Jesus referred to him as Elijah, and then Jesus stated that Elijah would come again. How do you think it's possible for Elijah the great profit of old, could be then John the Baptist again. As there is no such thing as reincarnation. I will tell you the answer to that it's very simple, John the Baptist had the spirit of Elijah in him. A spirit of fire, the fire for the Lord. It is the same with me.

 

[Bill]

Actually I do believe the removal of the church (2 Thess. 2:6-7) through God's deliverance. God delivered Noah from the Flood, Lot from Sodom, Israelites from Egypt, etc., those were legit miracles in the bible, we ought to have faith in his deliverance for us and pray for that. There's also a logic in the necessity of this removal - the church, in which the Holy Spirit dwells, is the spiritual power that restrains evil. As long as the church is still around, evil is kept in check, and God will spare the world for the sake of as few as ten righteous people (Gen. 18:16-33); however, when the church is gone, the restrainer is removed, then the Beast is out of the cage and wreak hovac, and God's judgement will ensue. This is not a theory, there were plenty of dress rehearsals on a regional scale in the history, look no further from Germany and Russia, both previously Christian nations, highly advanced in science and art, then devolved into two prime evils in the 20th century, and now Biden's America is next, we're right in the thick of it!

The problem, though, is the messaging of this from the pulpit. No a single pastor, writer or radio host has every elaborated on in what manner will this "rapture" play out, nobody tries to digest it based on this OT predecents, and nobody ever bothers to mention the resurrection part, they all focus on the timing of it, along with different prospects of the millennial kingdom, which only causes confusion. This deliverance is supposed to be our blessed hope, which they turned into a hype, if you only listen to them, it's no different from alien abduction, you know, it's like we'll suddenly be teleported into heaven and enjoyinng a seven-year honeymoon with Jesus. That's definitely a sales pitch made up by John Nelson Derby.

You are correct to say that the church will be removed, but the type of removal that you're talking about and the type of removal that the church is going to encounter is a little bit different. The type of removal that the church is going to encounter is kind of like the separation of the wheat and the chaff. Has those two are separated they're still on the same Farm it's just one is kept in the storehouse and the other one is burnt.

So it will be with the church who will be protected while the rest of the world is on fire with the wrath of God.

People who make up the church will be scattered throughout the world, and you may be living right next to someone who is getting burnt up. Technically. But that person who is in the church will be protected just like in the days of Moses the first born were protected by the blood of the Lamb in the land of Egypt

 

[lentz]

I have already done so, I have already openly told everyone here who I am. But of course no one wants to believe it because it is outside of what they've been taught all these years.

So let me help you understand, John the Baptist was born of a woman, and grew up in a family. And yet Jesus referred to him as Elijah, and then Jesus stated that Elijah would come again. How do you think it's possible for Elijah the great profit of old, could be then John the Baptist again. As there is no such thing as reincarnation. I will tell you the answer to that it's very simple, John the Baptist had the spirit of Elijah in him. A spirit of fire, the fire for the Lord. It is the same with me.

What thread and post did you explain this before? I would like to learn more about it.
I understand about John coming in the Spirit of Elijah
And i know there will be others in the tribulation

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I am already ready for the Lord's return but I have no faith in the rapture. And I'm looking forward to going through all the stuff that hits the fan and show the world Christ

Well God speaks of the catching up of His bride.....

2 Peter 3:3-5
3 First, understand this: during the Last Days, scoffers will come, following their own desires 4 and asking, “Where is this promised ‘coming’ of his? For our fathers have died, and everything goes on just as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But, wanting so much to be right about this, they overlook the fact that it was by God’s Word that long ago there were heavens, and there was land which arose out of water and existed between the waters,​

 

[Bill]

Well God speaks of the catching up of His bride.....

2 Peter 3:3-5​

3 First, understand this: during the Last Days, scoffers will come, following their own desires 4 and asking, “Where is this promised ‘coming’ of his? For our fathers have died, and everything goes on just as it has since the beginning of creation.” 5 But, wanting so much to be right about this, they overlook the fact that it was by God’s Word that long ago there were heavens, and there was land which arose out of water and existed between the waters,​

Before I go looking at my scripture we have to also remember that terminology can be quite different from one scripture to another scripture, meaning, the translation in one Bible say the King James version versus another the Jerusalem Bible. It depends on a few things such as the theologians who are working on that particular Bible, and also the predisposition of the theologians and those that are writing that particular Bible.

 

[Bill]

Actually I do believe the removal of the church (2 Thess. 2:6-7) through God's deliverance. God delivered Noah from the Flood, Lot from Sodom, Israelites from Egypt, etc., those were legit miracles in the bible, we ought to have faith in his deliverance for us and pray for that. There's also a logic in the necessity of this removal - the church, in which the Holy Spirit dwells, is the spiritual power that restrains evil. As long as the church is still around, evil is kept in check, and God will spare the world for the sake of as few as ten righteous people (Gen. 18:16-33); however, when the church is gone, the restrainer is removed, then the Beast is out of the cage and wreak hovac, and God's judgement will ensue. This is not a theory, there were plenty of dress rehearsals on a regional scale in the history, look no further from Germany and Russia, both previously Christian nations, highly advanced in science and art, then devolved into two prime evils in the 20th century, and now Biden's America is next, we're right in the thick of it!

The problem, though, is the messaging of this from the pulpit. No a single pastor, writer or radio host has every elaborated on in what manner will this "rapture" play out, nobody tries to digest it based on this OT predecents, and nobody ever bothers to mention the resurrection part, they all focus on the timing of it, along with different prospects of the millennial kingdom, which only causes confusion. This deliverance is supposed to be our blessed hope, which they turned into a hype, if you only listen to them, it's no different from alien abduction, you know, it's like we'll suddenly be teleported into heaven and enjoyinng a seven-year honeymoon with Jesus. That's definitely a sales pitch made up by John Nelson Derby.

Reading your message there is another problem presenting itself to. That is simply, if you notice, that when lot was brought out of Sodom and Gomorrah it's not like he went to heaven and out of any situation. In fact you could say that his situation got a little bit worse to some degree. Because he left everything behind all his furniture all his things that had some kind of value except for the shirt on his back basically. And he had to start all over again without his wife too.

And the Israelites coming out of the land of Egypt really didn't Fair much better, in fact I have about have to think that they would have argued that the deal they got coming out of Egypt was a little bit worse LOL. Because for all the years of slavery they still had a home over their head. Now coming out of Egypt with all that wealth, they had nowhere to spend it and they had to drag all that stuff around the desert for 40 years.

So if we want to relate the rapture to these two scenarios then all you're going to be doing is leaving everything behind and going to another location and maybe for 40 years walking around in a desert. There's no promise in the scripture based on the Rapture Theory that you're actually going to heaven. It only says that you're going to be removed from the other place.

I believe that the Jews at the time of Moses may have thought very similar to the way everybody thinks about the Rapture today. Thinking that they are going to go off to some Fantasyland. But that wasn't the plan that God gave them. In fact I have no doubt that the Israelites had no clue what was in store for them. Pretty much like the Christians have no clue what's in store for them when it comes to the tribulation and everything else included

 

[lentz]

Before I go looking at my scripture we have to also remember that terminology can be quite different from one scripture to another scripture, meaning, the translation in one Bible say the King James version versus another the Jerusalem Bible. It depends on a few things such as the theologians who are working on that particular Bible, and also the predisposition of the theologians and those that are writing that particular Bible.

Are you saying the two translations may not agree with each other?

 

[Bill]

Are you saying the two translations may not agree with each other?

It's not that they don't agree it's more that the terminology is different. The King James version is a very strict English and much of the wording is difficult at best for us in this day and age.

I will post here what my Bible says about the same verses that he spoke of.

Jerusalem Bible 2 Peter 3:3-5 , we must be careful to remember that during the last days there are bound to be people who will be scornful, the kind who always please themselves in what they do, and they will make fun of the promise, and ask, "well, where is this coming? Everything goes on as it has since the Father's died, as it has since it began at the creation." They are choosing to forget that there were heavens at the beginning, and that the earth was formed by the word of God out of water and between the waters.

 

[Bill]

Not a lot different , but a little. I think his is a little clearer in these verses

 

[Bill]

This I think is a good example of what we can expect for what the scripture is trying to talk about which many have misunderstood in regards to God protecting his own during a time of trouble.

Please read 2 Peter chapter 2:1-10 but especially 6-8 which reads the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah these two He condemned and reduced to ashes, He destroyed them completely, as a warning to anybody lacking reverence in the future, He rescued Lot, however, a holy man who had been sickened by the Shameless way in which these vile people behaved.

The same way that God rescued Lot from Sodom and Gomorrah taking him and his family out of that filthy land, is the same way that we should be looking at the future before the tribulation. Not that we should be looking to be taken to heaven, but that we should be looking to be led by the hand so to speak out before the destruction comes.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

You are correct to say that the church will be removed, but the type of removal that you're talking about and the type of removal that the church is going to encounter is a little bit different. The type of removal that the church is going to encounter is kind of like the separation of the wheat and the chaff. Has those two are separated they're still on the same Farm it's just one is kept in the storehouse and the other one is burnt.

So it will be with the church who will be protected while the rest of the world is on fire with the wrath of God.

People who make up the church will be scattered throughout the world, and you may be living right next to someone who is getting burnt up. Technically. But that person who is in the church will be protected just like in the days of Moses the first born were protected by the blood of the Lamb in the land of Egypt

The wheat and the chaff are already being separated, today's persecution is a litmus test, and it is unprecedented at least in American history. There are the faithful Philadelphians and there are the lukewarm Laodiceans. There are many who cower to the false wokeness religion and bring it into God's house of worship, and those are few who faithfully teach the Bible and expose the spiritual darkness. The only question is which side do we choose.

So if we want to relate the rapture to these two scenarios then all you're going to be doing is leaving everything behind and going to another location and maybe for 40 years walking around in a desert. There's no promise in the scripture based on the Rapture Theory that you're actually going to heaven. It only says that you're going to be removed from the other place.

I believe that the Jews at the time of Moses may have thought very similar to the way everybody thinks about the Rapture today. Thinking that they are going to go off to some Fantasyland. But that wasn't the plan that God gave them. In fact I have no doubt that the Israelites had no clue what was in store for them. Pretty much like the Christians have no clue what's in store for them when it comes to the tribulation and everything else included

That's not what I've heard from sources like Understanding the Times, Signs of the Time and other dispensationalists. They all suggest that the church will go to heaven immediately and stay for seven years, then return to claim the earth with Jesus on horseback. Those are truly honorable and brave warriors of Christ, I listen to them regularly with admiration and respect, but despite their character, this kind of rapture is still a fantasy.

As for the Israelites, those 40 years in the wilderness was their choice. God didn't have them stranded, He prepared a land flowing milk and honey for them, and it only took two weeks at most to travel from Egypt to the Holy Land on foot, that was God's plan, which they declined. You see, the thing is, God took them out of Egypt, but He didn't take Egypt out of them. Some of them declined to enter into the Holy Land and longed for their old days of slavery in Egypt. Therefore, this generaion was unworthy of the Land of Canaan, they were unwilling and incapable of the conquest, it must be the next generation, and it took 40 years for all of them to die off.

 

[Bill]

The wheat and the chaff are already being separated, today's persecution is a litmus test, and it is unprecedented at least in American history. There are the faithful Philadelphians and there are the lukewarm Laodiceans. There are many who cower to the false wokeness religion and bring it into God's house of worship, and those are few who faithfully teach the Bible and expose the spiritual darkness. The only question is which side do we choose.


That's not what I've heard from sources like Understanding the Times, Signs of the Time and other dispensationalists. They all suggest that the church will go to heaven immediately and stay for seven years, then return to claim the earth with Jesus on horseback. Those are truly honorable and brave warriors of Christ, I listen to them regularly with admiration and respect, but despite their character, this kind of rapture is still a fantasy.

As for the Israelites, those 40 years in the wilderness was their choice. God didn't have them stranded, He prepared a land flowing milk and honey for them, and it only took two weeks at most to travel from Egypt to the Holy Land on foot, that was God's plan, which they declined. You see, the thing is, God took them out of Egypt, but He didn't take Egypt out of them. Some of them declined to enter into the Holy Land and longed for their old days of slavery in Egypt. Therefore, this generaion was unworthy of the Land of Canaan, they were unwilling and incapable of the conquest, it must be the next generation, and it took 40 years for all of them to die off.

Even in the houses (churches) you feel, are the good churches, they too are fallen. How often i have heard with my own ears, preachers teaching thier own flocks to hate thier brothers and sisters.

Oh yes, hate, condemn, etc, etc. Even here, in this very 'Talk Jesus' it still comes out. Catholics going to hell, etc.

Anyone with hate in thier hearts, who has no love or forgiveness for thier brothers and sisters are not welcome in Heaven.

It is not only the woke teaching that is evil. There are many false teachings, including the one of the Rapture. As the rapture theory actually leads people away from God. It is a teaching to have people consumed with saving thier own selves versus trusting in God.

"Understanding the Sign of the Times' , do they tell you who the Witnesses are too, LOL.

Jonathan, you have a Gift of Discernment, why are you letting people lead your thoughts? Let God lead and believe. Use your faith.

The example you wrote , saying, God took them out of Egypt, but thier hearts were still in Egypt, is exactly how it is with Christians. Many, who even after the Great Day (the 6th Seal) will still follow thier minds. Deluded with the failure of the rapture, will turn to the One World Church. And many former Christian peachers (even those well known) will preach for them (OWC) And encourage thier flocks to join this worldly church.

Even worse, they will encourage people to take the Mark of the Beast, saying, "we are the Children of God, we fear nothing" or "You are Baptized in the Lord, it is ok to get the Mark, as our names are written in Heaven".

But once anyone recieves the Mark, thier names will be removed from Heaven's Book, because it was set there by the Holy Spirit, and taking the Mark is in defiance of God and a sin against the Holy Spirit.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Even in the houses (churches) you feel, are the good churches, they too are fallen. How often i have heard with my own ears, preachers teaching thier own flocks to hate thier brothers and sisters.

Oh yes, hate, condemn, etc, etc. Even here, in this very 'Talk Jesus' it still comes out. Catholics going to hell, etc.

Anyone with hate in thier hearts, who has no love or forgiveness for thier brothers and sisters are not welcome in Heaven.

It is not only the woke teaching that is evil. There are many false teachings, including the one of the Rapture. As the rapture theory actually leads people away from God. It is a teaching to have people consumed with saving thier own selves versus trusting in God.

Intolerance and discipline is not hate. God loves the sinner but hates the sin. In fact, if you truly love the sinner, you must hate the sin, for the sin is destroying the sinner and holds them in bondage. Only the devil encourages the sinner to sin freely and condemn those who actually try to help.

"Understanding the Sign of the Times' , do they tell you who the Witnesses are too, LOL.

Jonathan, you have a Gift of Discernment, why are you letting people lead your thoughts? Let God lead and believe. Use your faith.

At least they openly discuss the prophecy as they see the writings on the wall, they still read the bible literally and take it seriously, you know this is actually being targeted by the FBI as "fundemantalism", right? And only did I heard about it from them. I don't consider myself having a gift of discernment, I just listen to the sons of Issarchar who do have a gift of discernment.

The example you wrote , saying, God took them out of Egypt, but thier hearts were still in Egypt, is exactly how it is with Christians. Many, who even after the Great Day (the 6th Seal) will still follow thier minds. Deluded with the failure of the rapture, will turn to the One World Church. And many former Christian peachers (even those well known) will preach for them (OWC) And encourage thier flocks to join this worldly church.

Even worse, they will encourage people to take the Mark of the Beast, saying, "we are the Children of God, we fear nothing" or "You are Baptized in the Lord, it is ok to get the Mark, as our names are written in Heaven".

But once anyone recieves the Mark, thier names will be removed from Heaven's Book, because it was set there by the Holy Spirit, and taking the Mark is in defiance of God and a sin against the Holy Spirit.

Well that's just sad. Comforming to the world. I wonder where they stood on the vaccine. Of course that vaccine is not the Mark, but it's definitely a precursor of the real thing, and nonetheless it causes severe injury, it's both a scientific and social experiment using human beings as guinea pigs.

 

[Bill]

Intolerance and discipline is not hate. God loves the sinner but hates the sin. In fact, if you truly love the sinner, you must hate the sin, for the sin is destroying the sinner and holds them in bondage. Only the devil encourages the sinner to sin freely and condemn those who actually try to help.


At least they openly discuss the prophecy as they see the writings on the wall, they still read the bible literally and take it seriously, you know this is actually being targeted by the FBI as "fundemantalism", right? And only did I heard about it from them. I don't consider myself having a gift of discernment, I just listen to the sons of Issarchar who do have a gift of discernment.


Well that's just sad. Comforming to the world. I wonder where they stood on the vaccine. Of course that vaccine is not the Mark, but it's definitely a precursor of the real thing, and nonetheless it causes severe injury, it's both a scientific and social experiment using human beings as guinea pigs.

What sin have I committed, being Catholic?

God's wrath will come down hard on the "alphabet community", as they distain anything of God. But also to his own children, be warned, do not take lightly the fact that many set obsticles between them and God. For everything that people set thier faith into, before God, will be removed. That is, if you buy gold and silver and precious metals and jewels thinking that this will save you financially, then God will take this away from you. Because during the tribulation God wants his children to trust solely in him and nothing else.

Just like in the days of Moses god chose to cause his children to wander in the desert for 40 years to teach them to trust in him alone and nothing else. So too will this occur to the children known as Christians, that God will take everything away from you as long as you continue to put your trust in other things first.

This is one of the reasons why the Two Witnesses will be hated so much, because they are going to be the instruments in which God is going to cause these plagues to come as often as they wish to teach us to trust in the Lord. And to punish those who do not.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

What sin have I committed, being Catholic?

God's wrath will come down hard on the "alphabet community", as they distain anything of God. But also to his own children, be warned, do not take lightly the fact that many set obsticles between them and God. For everything that people set thier faith into, before God, will be removed. That is, if you buy gold and silver and precious metals and jewels thinking that this will save you financially, then God will take this away from you. Because during the tribulation God wants his children to trust solely in him and nothing else.

Just like in the days of Moses god chose to cause his children to wander in the desert for 40 years to teach them to trust in him alone and nothing else. So too will this occur to the children known as Christians, that God will take everything away from you as long as you continue to put your trust in other things first.

This is one of the reasons why the Two Witnesses will be hated so much, because they are going to be the instruments in which God is going to cause these plagues to come as often as they wish to teach us to trust in the Lord. And to punish those who do not.

Nonethelss, be prepared. Failing to prepare is preparing to fail.

 

[I believe 777]

PRETRIB Rapture VS VS POST TRIB simple to understand

Contrasts Between Comings

The Rapture is characterized in the New Testament as a “translation or

resurrection coming” (1 Cor. 15:51-52; 1 Thess. 4:15-17) in which the Lord

comes for His church, taking her to His Father’s house (John 14:3).


On the other hand, Christ’s Second Advent with His saints (the Church=Rev. 19)

descends from heaven and arrives on earth to stay and set up His

Messianic Kingdom (Zech. 14:4-5; Matt. 24:27-31). The differences

between these two events are harmonized naturally by the pre-trib position,

while other views are not able to comfortably account for such differences.


Paul speaks of the Rapture as a “mystery” (1 Cor. 15:51–54), that is,

The truth not revealed until it was disclosed by the apostles (Col. 1:26). Thus

the Rapture is said to be a newly revealed mystery, making it a separate

event. The Second Coming, on the other hand, was predicted in the Old Testament.

(Dan. 12:1-3; Zech. 12:10; 14:4).


The New Testament teaches about the Rapture of the church and yet

also speaks of the Second Coming of Christ. These two events are

different in a number of ways. Note the following contrasts between the

translation at the Rapture and Christ's Second Coming to establish the

kingdom.



Rapture/Translation

1 Translation of all believers

2 Translated saints go to heaven

3 Earth not judged

4 Imminent, any-moment, signless does not need a sign

5 Not in the Old Testament

6 Believers only

7 Before the day of wrath

8 No reference to Satan

9 Christ comes for His own

10 He comes in the air

11 He claims His bride

12 Only His own see Him

13 Tribulation begins



2nd Coming/ Estab. Kingdom

1 No translation at all

2 Translated saints return to earth

3 Earth judged & righteousness

established

4 Follows definite predicted signs

including tribulation

5 Predicted often in Old Testament

6 Affects all men

7 Concluding the day of wrath

8 Satan bound

9 Christ comes with His own

10 He comes to the earth

11 He comes with His bride

12 Every eye shall see Him

13 Millennial Kingdom begins

Scripture concludes that these “contrasts should make it

evident that the translation of the church is an event quite different in

character and time from the return of the Lord to establish His kingdom,

and confirms the conclusion that the translation takes place before the

tribulation.

Both events mention clouds symbolizing a heavenly role in both, but

other differences demonstrate that these are two distinct events. At the

Rapture, the Lord comes for His saints (1 Thes. 4:16); at the Second

Coming the Lord comes with His saints (1 Thes. 3:13). At the Rapture, the

Lord comes only for believers, but His return to the earth will impact all

people.