Question about women preachers...!!

[RJ]

Like I said earlier, people are occasionally being saved in the Catholic Church. Do you condone Catholicism as well? Do the ends always justify the means in your eyes?



Except Paul was still living faithfully and obediently to the extent that we likely will never see again in anybody. Also, you are clearly taking that verse out of context. It is not saying do whatever you feel like doing so long as it brings people to Christ. That entire passage is speaking of Paul's love for the lost and his desire to see them come to him. The very fact that Paul tells us women are not to be in a position of Spiritual authority DESPITE his love and concern only further proves my point. There is such a thing as taking matters into your own hands and this is one of those areas.

This only reaffirms that you still do not understand what is taught in the doctrine of the Elect. Like it or not, it is a word used in Scripture to define a predetermined decree that has not been influenced by any external cause. The only way to get around it is to change its meaning or avoid it altogether. Your hypothetical situation would only occur where the person witnessing did not properly understand what it was he is teaching.



To be honest, I am okay with wherever you decide to sit. My goal is to preach Christ crucified and expound upon the Truth of Scripture by using my God given gift of teaching. Who you choose to learn under is up to you.

BTW, OP means Original Poster.

I think your teachings can create bondage to untruth. Paul admitted he had a sin nature but also knew that God's Grace meant there was no condemnation/ The Woman Preacher is either saved or she is not. If she is truly saved then she too has no condemnation and escapes judgement despite what gifts of teaching you think you may have.

Your election only can create bondage to the idea of not being one of God's chosen and there in lies your problem and any bondage is sin. God of perfection and choice would never create a doctrine that could end up in bondage (sin) of unworthiness, only in the mind of man is this possible.

Jesus died for the sins of all, it is impossible to die for all and be resurrected for only save a few "frozen chosen", you are wrong my friend!

 

[rojoloco]

I think your teachings can create bondage to untruth. Paul admitted he had a sin nature but also knew that God's Grace meant there was no condemnation/ The Woman Preacher is either saved or she is not. If she is truly saved then she too has no condemnation and escapes judgement despite what gifts of teaching you think you may have.

While there may not be condemnation, we will still give an account. We will not be condemned for our daily sin either but it does not mean it is excusable.

Your election only can create bondage to the idea of not being one of God's chosen and there in lies your problem and any bondage is sin. God of perfection and choice would never create a doctrine that could end up in bondage (sin) of unworthiness, only in the mind of man is this possible.

Again, you do not properly grasp what election is about. One will never even desire God unless they are His Elect. We do not truly desire God until He has already regenerated us and He only regenerates those whom He has chosen. If one is desiring God, it is because God is first working in them.

Jesus died for the sins of all, it is impossible to die for all and be resurrected for only save a few "frozen chosen", you are wrong my friend!

This statement shows that you do not believe in propitiation. It also shows you do not believe in substitution. It also shows you do not believe the death/resurrection is sufficient and complete. What it does tell me is that you believe it to be only playing half the role. It tells me you believe it to be conditional and incomplete. It tells me you relate the blood to a scatter shot and not to a purposeful aim.

While you may not believe the things above, your statements tell otherwise. You are either contradicting Scripture or you are contradicting your beliefs.

 

[jiggyfly]

While there may not be condemnation, we will still give an account. We will not be condemned for our daily sin either but it does not mean it is excusable.

Do you know what it means to be justified by Christ?

 

[RJ]

While there may not be condemnation, we will still give an account. We will not be condemned for our daily sin either but it does not mean it is excusable.



Again, you do not properly grasp what election is about. One will never even desire God unless they are His Elect. We do not truly desire God until He has already regenerated us and He only regenerates those whom He has chosen. If one is desiring God, it is because God is first working in them.



This statement shows that you do not believe in propitiation. It also shows you do not believe in substitution. It also shows you do not believe the death/resurrection is sufficient and complete. What it does tell me is that you believe it to be only playing half the role. It tells me you believe it to be conditional and incomplete. It tells me you relate the blood to a scatter shot and not to a purposeful aim.

While you may not believe the things above, your statements tell otherwise. You are either contradicting Scripture or you are contradicting your beliefs.

:surrender::surrender::surrender::surrender:

I give up Crazy Red!!! You and I will certainly never agree about much if anything, someday, sooner than we know, we will know the truth.
This is the season of forgiveness and love and your theologies only serve to :secret: me....I am finished with it. You can go and confuse someone else; I am sticking to my belief and that is it! Good day to you!

 

[SpiritLedEd]

One will never even desire God unless they are His Elect. We do not truly desire God until He has already regenerated us and He only regenerates those whom He has chosen.

"I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men to myself" (Jn 12:32 NIV)

"For many are invited, but few are chosen." (Mt 22:14 NIV)

Rojo, how do Calvinists explain these quotes from Jesus in light of your "election" belief?

SLE

 

[rojoloco]

"I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men to myself" (Jn 12:32 NIV)

"For many are invited, but few are chosen." (Mt 22:14 NIV)

Rojo, how do Calvinists explain these quotes from Jesus in light of your "election" belief?

SLE

John 12:32 is not saying that all men without exception are drawn to Christ. This is obvious based on John 6:44 which says that all who the Father draws will be raised on the last day. We know that not everybody will be raised therefore, we also know that not everybody is called. Because of this, we know that John 12:32 is not saying every man without exception is called. It is saying "all men" without distinction. Christ will call both Jews and Gentiles together. The only category who will be saved without exception are God's Elect whom He has chosen.

As for Matthew 22:14, it is much of the same with some distinctions. Matthew 11:15 tells us "he who has ears, let him hear." Many people hear the word of God but never respond to it. Many people want to go to Heaven but have no desire to walk with Christ. Many people believe in God but to not chase after God. In the parable, the king had invited specific people to the feast but, for varying reasons, they did not want to come so the king sent out invitations for all. This is much like the Jews and the judgment placed on them by grafting in the Gentiles. No longer is it a specific invite. It is now available for all without distinction though not being for all without exception. This is seen in the rest of the parable. We can see the invite, while going out to all without distinction, was still conditional. We see a man who did not show up in wedding clothes. The king then had him cast out to outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. This man represents those who are not wearing the garment of Christ. Those not wearing the garment of Christ will not enter the kingdom of Heaven and only those chosen by God will wear the garment of Christ.